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  1. # Session Start: Mon Jan 19 00:00:00 2009
  2. # Session Ident: #webapps
  3. # [02:12] <heycam> phenny, tell marcos that the header for R12 in widgets-reqs has <abbr title="Extensible Markup Language">Format</abbr>, which seems a bit strange
  4. # [02:12] <phenny> heycam: I'll pass that on when marcos is around.
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  6. # [04:11] <heycam> MikeSmith, was it you who subtly updated http://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/TR/logo-ED.png recently?
  7. # [04:12] <MikeSmith> heycam: nope
  8. # [04:12] <MikeSmith> what changed?
  9. # [04:12] <MikeSmith> I can check the CVS log
  10. # [04:12] <MikeSmith> maybe
  11. # [04:12] <heycam> the straight quote changed to a rounded one
  12. # [04:14] * MikeSmith checks now
  13. # [04:27] <MikeSmith> heycam: ↓
  14. # [04:27] <MikeSmith> 2009-01-05 Monday 05:39 bbos
  15. # [04:27] <MikeSmith> * logo-ED.png: New version by Håkon Lie, with a comma-shaped
  16. # [04:27] <MikeSmith> apostrophe and a smaller file size
  17. # [04:29] <heycam> good to see i wasn't imagining it :)
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  19. # [05:25] <MikeSmith> heycam: does SVG WG have test results anywhere that show how SVG support in current WebKit measures up against that in Batik, Opera, etc.?
  20. # [05:26] <heycam> did the implementation report test webkit?
  21. # [05:26] <MikeSmith> dunno
  22. # [05:26] <MikeSmith> I know Antti K did a bunch of work last year on implementing animation support
  23. # [05:27] <heycam> safari 3.0.3 it tested
  24. # [05:27] <heycam> if you just want to know about animation support, then you should check jeff schiller's table
  25. # [05:27] <MikeSmith> OK
  26. # [05:27] <MikeSmith> I think WebKit is now passing the majority of the animation tests
  27. # [05:27] <heycam> ah, looks like safari was just used if the other impls didn't pass a particular test
  28. # [05:27] <heycam> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/1.2/Tiny/ImpReport.html
  29. # [05:27] <heycam> nice!
  30. # [05:28] <MikeSmith> well, I remember Antti telling me that, but I've not checked it myself
  31. # [05:28] <heycam> actually, sorry, jeff's table is all test suite not just animation
  32. # [05:28] <MikeSmith> OK
  33. # [05:28] <heycam> http://www.codedread.com/svg-support.php
  34. # [05:29] <MikeSmith> thanks
  35. # [05:29] * MikeSmith looks now
  36. # [05:30] <MikeSmith> it is going to be great seeing the SMIL support for SVG animations get implemented in Firefox this year
  37. # [05:30] <MikeSmith> it seems like that's what they are planning on doing at least
  38. # [05:31] <heycam> yeah, it's awesome
  39. # [05:31] <heycam> interesting how only recently it's become something moz and webkit have wanted to work on
  40. # [05:34] <MikeSmith> I would speculate that in the case of Webkit, part of the motivation was wanting to have something non-Flash for Web developers to use in creating animated content in iPhone Safari
  41. # [05:34] <MikeSmith> since there is no Flash on iPhone currently, and seems not likely to be any time soon
  42. # [05:35] <heycam> do i remember correctly that adobe was finally allowed to write a flash plugin for the iphone?
  43. # [05:35] <MikeSmith> no, not as far as I've heard
  44. # [05:35] <heycam> mm ok
  45. # [05:35] <MikeSmith> that would be pretty big news if it were true
  46. # [05:35] <MikeSmith> Apple finally did allow third-party browsers
  47. # [05:36] <MikeSmith> apparently
  48. # [05:36] <MikeSmith> or some at least
  49. # [05:36] <heycam> yeah, webkit based ones wasn't it?
  50. # [05:36] <MikeSmith> yeah, I'd guess so
  51. # [05:36] <MikeSmith> but I've not looked at the details
  52. # [05:37] <MikeSmith> would be nice to have Opera as a choice on the iPhone eventually
  53. # [05:37] <shepazu> I had actually heard that Adobe was working on iPhone flash
  54. # [05:37] <shepazu> but that could have been anti-FUD
  55. # [05:37] <MikeSmith> shepazu: well, I don't doubt that they are working on it
  56. # [05:37] <MikeSmith> they certainly should be
  57. # [05:38] <shepazu> http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/iphone/iphone-adobe-flash-support-coming-275317.php
  58. # [05:38] <MikeSmith> I wouldn't be surprised if they already have it implemented and tested
  59. # [05:38] * MikeSmith sees Thu Jul 5 2007 dateline on that article and reads no further...
  60. # [05:39] <shepazu> yeah :)
  61. # [05:39] <MikeSmith> "The man who ought to know, Walt Mossberg, says that Flash will come as a simple software update..."
  62. # [05:39] <MikeSmith> that's a bit of irony
  63. # [05:39] <MikeSmith> yeah, Mossberg *should* be the guy who knows
  64. # [05:40] <shepazu> http://www.gearlive.com/news/article/q108-flash-on-iphone-is-just-around-the-corner/
  65. # [05:40] <shepazu> Monday February 11, 2008 1:28 pm
  66. # [05:40] <shepazu> Flash on iPhone is just around the corner
  67. # [05:40] <MikeSmith> but it would far from the first time that Mossberg matter-of-factly said something was going it happen and it never did
  68. # [05:40] <shepazu> http://lifehacker.com/344545/play-flash-media-on-your-iphone-or-ipod-touch-with-itransmogrify
  69. # [05:41] <shepazu> [[
  70. # [05:41] <shepazu> The iTransmogrify bookmarklet for the iPhone or iPod touch converts embedded Flash content to mobile Safari-supported formats so that Flash media—like embedded YouTube videos and streaming MP3s—will play from Safari with the click of a bookmark.
  71. # [05:41] <shepazu> ]]
  72. # [05:42] <shepazu> http://news.cnet.com/8301-10787_3-9886265-60.html
  73. # [05:42] <MikeSmith> so it was "just around the corner" about a year ago...
  74. # [05:42] <MikeSmith> thanks Andru Edwards for the hot tip
  75. # [05:43] <MikeSmith> I guess it's a pretty big corner
  76. # [05:43] <shepazu> lol
  77. # [05:43] <shepazu> ok, something more recent
  78. # [05:43] <shepazu> http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/11/adobe-working-on-flash-for-iphone-but-really-up-to-apple-
  79. # [05:43] <shepazu> Adobe 'Working' On Flash For iPhone, But 'Really Up To Apple'
  80. # [05:43] <shepazu> Dan Frommer | November 17, 2008 10:35 AM
  81. # [05:44] <MikeSmith> "If people get going far enough without Flash -- both on the mobile Web and in smartphone software apps -- it'll be irrelevant on those platforms."
  82. # [05:45] <MikeSmith> can I get an Amen?
  83. # [05:45] <MikeSmith> "While Flash has excellent market share on computers, it hasn't gotten much traction on mobile phones outside Japan."
  84. # [05:54] <MikeSmith> shepazu, heycam : so in Jeff's page, those two relatively bigger bands of red to the far right that WebKit is still failing
  85. # [05:54] <MikeSmith> what are those? filters?
  86. # [05:55] <shepazu> http://www.codedread.com/svg-support-table.html
  87. # [05:56] <shepazu> yeah, looks like
  88. # [05:56] <shepazu> oh, and "amen"
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