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  44. # [16:25] <gsnedders> Marcos: ping
  45. # [16:26] <Marcos> gsnedders: pongy
  46. # [16:26] <gsnedders> do either Marcos or annevk have any opinions on how to store biblio on wiki?
  47. # [16:27] <annevk> as simple as humanly possible
  48. # [16:27] <Marcos> exactly :)
  49. # [16:27] <gsnedders> From a parsing POV that means refer :P
  50. # [16:27] <Marcos> put a proposal forward
  51. # [16:27] <annevk> no, please just do something
  52. # [16:27] <annevk> no need to go all comittee on something like this
  53. # [16:28] <gsnedders> Either of you have any real issue with just using refer?
  54. # [16:28] <annevk> no
  55. # [16:28] <annevk> that's the a: b format right?
  56. # [16:28] <gsnedders> %a: b, dangnamit! :P
  57. # [16:29] <annevk> why the %?
  58. # [16:29] <gsnedders> Marcos: As for status, I have a sort of working thing locally
  59. # [16:29] <annevk> oh well
  60. # [16:29] <gsnedders> annevk: Dunno
  61. # [16:29] <Marcos> nice. Can I see an example of what you mean?
  62. # [16:30] <gsnedders> Marcos: By "sort of working"?
  63. # [16:31] <Marcos> By example, I meant the wiki format.
  64. # [16:31] <gsnedders> Marcos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refer_(software)
  65. # [16:31] <Marcos> ok, that seems fine to me
  66. # [16:32] <Marcos> Anne's original idea was better however.
  67. # [16:32] <annevk> lol, gsnedders, you were wrong too
  68. # [16:32] <annevk> there's no : dandgdf
  69. # [16:32] * gsnedders headdesks
  70. # [16:32] <gsnedders> :P
  71. # [16:32] <Marcos> i.e., just having a key and grabbing whatever was after it. However, this format is more structured and flexible.
  72. # [16:32] <gsnedders> Well, my parser doesn't expect the,
  73. # [16:32] <gsnedders> *them
  74. # [16:33] <Marcos> ok, now we need the display format
  75. # [16:33] <Marcos> right?
  76. # [16:34] <gsnedders> http://stuff.gsnedders.com/css3-ns-biblio.html
  77. # [16:34] <gsnedders> That only has biblio done, nothing else
  78. # [16:34] <annevk> hmm, listing the URL twice seems pointless
  79. # [16:35] <annevk> and the point shouldn't be part of the link...
  80. # [16:35] * gsnedders wonders why there are no dates in the output
  81. # [16:35] <Marcos> agreed. URL should be extracted with print style sheet
  82. # [16:36] <annevk> no need for a print style sheet either, think of the trees!
  83. # [16:36] <annevk> there's like stuff with screens and such
  84. # [16:36] <Marcos> fuck trees! let em all burn
  85. # [16:36] <Marcos> hehe. I take that back
  86. # [16:36] * Marcos goes hug a tree
  87. # [16:37] <Marcos> I print stuff, sorry. I want the URL after so I know which version of a spec you are talking about
  88. # [16:37] <Marcos> so, we need the URL
  89. # [16:37] <Marcos> particularly if we are talking about WDs
  90. # [16:37] <gsnedders> Odd. There are no dates for those refs in the database (this is Bert's refer db, not mine)
  91. # [16:37] <Marcos> which we often do
  92. # [16:37] <gsnedders> Marcos: In print styles or in the actual output as now?
  93. # [16:37] <annevk> in practice you always want the latest version
  94. # [16:38] <Marcos> in actual output gsnedders
  95. # [16:38] <annevk> so it really doesn't matter
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  97. # [16:38] <annevk> but i'm dragging myself in a pointless discussion so i'll bow out now
  98. # [16:38] <Marcos> annevk: for accountability, you want to point to drafts that have dates
  99. # [16:39] * Marcos wants the URI exposed
  100. # [16:39] <Marcos> I have use cases
  101. # [16:39] * gsnedders goes to undo
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  103. # [16:39] <annevk> maybe in happy tree land
  104. # [16:39] <Marcos> eheh
  105. # [16:39] <annevk> but in the rest of the world the latest version works beter
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  107. # [16:40] <Marcos> Let me have my URIs, pretty please
  108. # [16:40] <annevk> i'm just saying that in my specs URLs won't give you dates
  109. # [16:40] <Marcos> gsnedders: can you put an option: -no-uris
  110. # [16:40] <Marcos> or something
  111. # [16:41] <Marcos> so Anne can be happy and I can be happy
  112. # [16:41] * gsnedders doesn't like options
  113. # [16:41] <Marcos> gsnedders: you don't have an option
  114. # [16:41] <Marcos> heh
  115. # [16:41] <gsnedders> :P
  116. # [16:41] <Marcos> you, as the developer, must bow to your user's demands
  117. # [16:42] <Marcos> 50% of the market demands this feature\
  118. # [16:42] <annevk> and also ignore obvious architecture astronauts that are nearing the Dr. title
  119. # [16:42] <Marcos> "I would like to propose a further abstraction!"
  120. # [16:43] <Marcos> Hey, where is the date and status for those drafts?
  121. # [16:43] <Marcos> gsnedders?
  122. # [16:43] <gsnedders> the date isn't in the refer db, as I said above (this is Bert's DB, not mine)
  123. # [16:44] <gsnedders> The status is an open issue
  124. # [16:44] <annevk> it would be good to have a "work in progress" flag
  125. # [16:44] <annevk> dates and such are not really needed I think
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  127. # [16:46] <Marcos> annevk: they are needed so you know how old a draft is.
  128. # [16:46] <annevk> you fetch the URL for that
  129. # [16:46] <annevk> this is the Web man
  130. # [16:46] <Marcos> no, that's a pain
  131. # [16:46] <annevk> it has things that go click
  132. # [16:46] <Marcos> bbs
  133. # [16:46] <annevk> you need to be familiar with the spec anyway
  134. # [16:51] <Marcos> again, I print specs
  135. # [16:52] <annevk> again, you need to know all references so you need to print those too
  136. # [16:53] <Marcos> you might cite a book
  137. # [16:53] <Marcos> or other media
  138. # [16:53] <Marcos> not just specs
  139. # [16:53] <Marcos> or websites, articles, etc
  140. # [16:53] <Marcos> so it would be useful to have dates
  141. # [16:53] <annevk> examples? (for books you need edition, not dates)
  142. # [16:54] <Marcos> no, you need dates too
  143. # [16:54] <Marcos> because some books go through reprints
  144. # [16:54] <annevk> why, and why is it especially important when you print?
  145. # [16:54] <annevk> yes, so you need to know what edition the spec author had...
  146. # [16:55] * annevk is amused with this discussion
  147. # [16:55] <Marcos> I gotta run. I have to go and see an apartment. But we shall continue this later. gsnedders, see some of the common citation styles guides MLA, ACM, etc
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