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  1. # Session Start: Mon Apr 27 00:00:00 2009
  2. # Session Ident: #webapps
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  4. # [00:23] * gsnedders did consider applying to do English and linguistics at uni
  5. # [00:24] <gsnedders> Then I thought, "WTF would I do with a degree in _that_?"
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  7. # [00:34] <Hixie> What do you do with a BA in English?
  8. # [00:35] <Hixie> What is my life going to be?
  9. # [00:35] <Hixie> Four years of college and plenty of knowledge, Have earned me this useless degree.
  10. # [00:35] <Hixie> man i love that show
  11. # [00:38] <shepazu> Hixie: don't forget (at least in the States), "I've just gotten 30K+ in debt to get this degree, and now I don't know what job I can get?"
  12. # [00:38] <shepazu> I gather it's not so bad elsewhere
  13. # [00:39] <shepazu> but growing up poor, that was enough disincentive to go to college that I put it off until later
  14. # [00:39] <Hixie> that's actually the next line ("I can't pay the bills yet, 'Cause I have no skills yet")
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  16. # [00:40] * shepazu senses now that hixie is quoting a literal show, not a metaphoric one
  17. # [00:40] <shepazu> Avenue Q?
  18. # [00:41] <Hixie> yeah
  19. # [00:41] * shepazu needs to see that sometime
  20. # [00:41] <Hixie> i hiiiighly recommend it
  21. # [00:41] <shepazu> wait... I thought you didn't do drugs :)
  22. # [00:42] <Hixie> drugs?
  23. # [00:42] <shepazu> "high"
  24. # [00:42] <Hixie> oh heh
  25. # [00:42] * Hixie has seen the show three times now
  26. # [00:42] <Hixie> once on broadway, twice on tour
  27. # [00:43] <shepazu> the way you dragged it out made it even more pot-sounding :)
  28. # [00:43] <Hixie> heh
  29. # [00:43] * shepazu doubts it comes on tour around this podunk area
  30. # [00:44] <Hixie> only cincinnati and appleton on the current tour schedule it seems: http://www.avenueq.com/tour/
  31. # [00:45] <shepazu> yup, just looked
  32. # [00:46] <shepazu> maybe this summer we can roadtrip up to NYC, if it's still there... been meaning to get up there again for a while
  33. # [00:46] * shepazu still hasn't been to the statue of liberty
  34. # [00:47] <Hixie> me either -- every time i'm in the city, the natives i'm with (varies from time to time) tell me it's a waste of time! :-/
  35. # [00:48] <shepazu> of course they'd say that... but they've probably never been themselves (at least as adults) :)
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  60. # [10:34] <hendry> Hixie: i think i understand application caches better. my concern was how to preload devices with Web content to ensure a good user exp off the bat. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2009Apr/0008.html
  61. # [10:35] <hendry> i guess vendors can just pre-populate the sqlite DB or however the UA stores application caches
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  80. # [15:12] <ArtB> Marcos, Arve - got a second re widgets specs and security/privacy issues?
  81. # [15:12] <Marcos> sure
  82. # [15:13] <ArtB> too bad TLR isn't here as I think he has some concerns re security/privacy and the widgets specs
  83. # [15:13] <Marcos> Concerns? about widgets? no!?
  84. # [15:13] <Marcos> :)
  85. # [15:14] <ArtB> You did't hear: the sky is falling :-)
  86. # [15:14] <Marcos> hehe
  87. # [15:14] <arve> ArtB: with Storage, or something else?
  88. # [15:14] <ArtB> other than nailing down widget's access element is there something else?
  89. # [15:15] <Marcos> well, there is the URI scheme
  90. # [15:15] <ArtB> arve, re Storage, I thought Scott Wilson's response to TLR made sense
  91. # [15:16] <ArtB> AFAIK, none of P&C, A&E or DigSig has any normative depedency on URI scheme. Is that true?
  92. # [15:17] <arve> ArtB: correct
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  95. # [15:18] <ArtB> Arve, do you think A&E should have some text re Storage management on a per-widget instance?
  96. # [15:19] <arve> ArtB: I'm not sure, because nowhere else have we specified that widgets actually do interact with each other
  97. # [15:20] <ArtB> so the options include: remain silent, add some informative text, add some normative text
  98. # [15:23] <Marcos> I think we need to define it, as in one store per widget instance.
  99. # [15:24] <ArtB> Marcos, as an informative Note to implementors or as prescriptive text?
  100. # [15:25] <Marcos> as prescriptive text
  101. # [15:25] <Marcos> Seems like something we need for interop.
  102. # [15:27] <Marcos> Depends on what we scope the Storage to. Is is good that it is scoped to the widget, because it means that if in v2 we want to support multiple contents, then we just share the widget object.
  103. # [15:27] <ArtB> Arve, are you OK with Marcos' position?
  104. # [15:28] <ArtB> Marcos' I think TLR would support your position ...
  105. # [15:29] <arve> Marcos: I'm fine with adding that
  106. # [15:29] <Marcos> I hope so, but we will see... we need to think about this in detail. I'm just saying things off the top of my head at the moment and would prefer not to commit to anything till I've had serious time to think about it. I'm still in i18n land
  107. # [15:29] <Marcos> or l10n land... or whatever :)
  108. # [15:30] <ArtB> :)
  109. # [15:30] <ArtB> Arve, how about then responding to http://www.w3.org/mid/795621C0-ECB5-42B2-A6D4-A6F378226208@gmail.com and propose normative text be added?
  110. # [15:31] <ArtB> I'll ask TLR to enumerate any security concerns he has re P&C, A&E and DigSig
  111. # [15:31] <Marcos> sounds good
  112. # [15:31] <Marcos> Arve, it's on my TODO
  113. # [15:31] <Marcos> to respond
  114. # [15:31] <ArtB> Marcos, Robin's <access> proposal has been added to the latest ED, right?
  115. # [15:32] <Marcos> right
  116. # [15:32] <arve> I'll responds, because I have a few other bits to fill in there
  117. # [15:33] <ArtB> ok; thanks!
  118. # [15:34] <arve> ArtB: my only contentious point here is that we need to specify the same for other persistent bits of information, such as cookies, and I'm not sure of how to make that fit into the spec
  119. # [15:34] <arve> which is why I'd like to get a proper security spec
  120. # [15:35] <arve> or "widget UA context" specification of some sort
  121. # [15:52] <Marcos> arve: agreed. One that piggy backs on HTML5's browsing context
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