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  72. # [16:03] <ArtB> Lachy, the revised Exit Criteria for Selectors API looks good
  73. # [16:04] <Lachy> ArtB, thanks
  74. # [16:26] * ArtB changes topic to 'Marcos is a SLACKER for not joining the Widgets voice conf while he is on vacation!'
  75. # [16:26] * ArtB changes topic to 'WebApps WG; this channel is logged at http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
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  104. # [23:04] <shepazu> trackbot, start telcon
  105. # [23:04] * trackbot is starting a teleconference
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  107. # [23:04] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-webapps-irc
  108. # [23:04] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  109. # [23:04] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  111. # [23:04] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAPP
  112. # [23:04] <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
  113. # [23:04] <trackbot> Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
  114. # [23:04] <trackbot> Date: 24 June 2009
  115. # [23:04] <shepazu> Zakim, this will be DOM3
  116. # [23:04] <Zakim> ok, shepazu; I see IA_WebApps(DOM3)5:00PM scheduled to start now
  117. # [23:04] * shepazu zakim, call shepazu
  118. # [23:04] * Zakim ok, shepazu; the call is being made
  119. # [23:04] <Zakim> IA_WebApps(DOM3)5:00PM has now started
  120. # [23:04] <Zakim> +Shepazu
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  122. # [23:07] <dand> hey guys
  123. # [23:07] <shepazu> hi, dand
  124. # [23:08] <dand> how's it going
  125. # [23:08] <dand> is there a www-dom telecon now? or next week?
  126. # [23:08] <shepazu> the chair forgot to send out the agenda, so I'm not sure who's going to show
  127. # [23:09] <dand> no probs
  128. # [23:09] <dand> should i dial in? or hang out here and wait first
  129. # [23:09] <shepazu> I'm on the line, but if we don't have a few other people show up in the next 10 minutes, we should postpone until next week
  130. # [23:09] <dand> ok
  131. # [23:09] <shepazu> well, if you can call in, I can bring you up to speed
  132. # [23:09] <shepazu> Zakim, code
  133. # [23:09] <Zakim> I don't understand 'code', shepazu
  134. # [23:09] <shepazu> Zakim, code?
  135. # [23:09] <Zakim> the conference code is 3663 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shepazu
  136. # [23:10] <shepazu> trackbot, code?
  137. # [23:10] <trackbot> Sorry, shepazu, I don't understand 'trackbot, code?'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
  138. # [23:13] <Zakim> +??P0
  139. # [23:13] <Zakim> +??P1
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  141. # [23:13] <dand> can't hear you guys too great
  142. # [23:14] <shepazu> Zakim, ??P0 is dand
  143. # [23:14] <Zakim> +dand; got it
  144. # [23:14] <shepazu> Zakim, ??P1 is Travis
  145. # [23:14] <Zakim> +Travis; got it
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  147. # [23:17] <shepazu> zakim, Travis has MSjacob
  148. # [23:17] <Zakim> +MSjacob; got it
  149. # [23:17] <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/proposals/
  150. # [23:17] <Zakim> +??P2
  151. # [23:17] <smaug> Zakim, ??P2 is me
  152. # [23:17] <Zakim> +smaug; got it
  153. # [23:19] <Travis> Short telecon today
  154. # [23:21] <Travis> shepazu: Recap: goal of the different key event flows is to find a harmoneous graph that best for user agents.
  155. # [23:21] <shepazu> Travis: scribenick
  156. # [23:21] <shepazu> scribenick: Travis
  157. # [23:22] <Travis> ... Not likely to spec (solve) the IME model.
  158. # [23:22] <Travis> ... Planning to publish the different models as appendices to the spec.
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  160. # [23:24] <Travis> ... Key models missing the mutation event points (where they fire) or where the DOM is modified (in user agents without mutation events)
  161. # [23:24] <Travis> ... Still need to hear from WebKit.
  162. # [23:25] <Travis> dand: I think Webkit's model is probably pretty close to Trident's
  163. # [23:25] <Travis> ... I have some people that I could contact.
  164. # [23:25] <dand> yep
  165. # [23:26] <Travis> Topic: IME events from DOM Mailing list
  166. # [23:27] <Travis> shepazu: Some disccusion on the mailing list regarding IME.
  167. # [23:29] <Travis> Travis: two problems that they wanted to solve.
  168. # [23:30] <Travis> ... the composition box appears in random places and can occude important web page elements (like search suggestions)
  169. # [23:30] <Travis> ... other is that all user agents should implement compositionstart and compositionend events. Though, I'm not sure why?
  170. # [23:31] <Travis> dand: Not necessarily that those physical events are important, but that they do what you need...
  171. # [23:32] <Travis> ... only get fired for IME inputs (don't necessarily have to do with key events).
  172. # [23:32] <Travis> ... In IE you don't get notified of some events...
  173. # [23:32] <Travis> ... using voice or other you may get spotty notification.
  174. # [23:33] * smaug needs to add a test for the compositionstart + focus change :p
  175. # [23:34] <Travis> ... Firefox's compositionstart event allows you to change the DOM and place the cursor in a new location, then the actual input will occur in the new location.
  176. # [23:34] <Travis> ... nice to grap input and contain it to a particular place in the DOM.
  177. # [23:35] <Travis> ... In general, knowing when the composition finishes is useful because you can respond to user activity when the fully composed string.
  178. # [23:35] <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-Events-TextEvent
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  181. # [23:37] <Travis> Travis: Does the textInput event handle these use cases...?
  182. # [23:38] <Travis> dand: compositionend could be like textInput, but the compositionstart event is still important.
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  184. # [23:40] <dand> http://www.danilatos.com/event-test/ExperimentTest.html
  185. # [23:41] <Travis> shepazu: textInput does not say where the textInput came from. Maybe it could (IME, key, voice, etc.)?
  186. # [23:41] <Travis> ... (random idea) for positioning of the IME candidate window, we could possibly put an X/Y event for where the IME window came up...
  187. # [23:42] <Travis> dand: Hmm, maybe this could get more complicated...
  188. # [23:43] <Travis> shepazu: We'll see if implementors want to do that. Don't want to jump into UI necessarily..
  189. # [23:48] <shepazu> http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-June/020553.html
  190. # [23:51] <Travis> dand: TSS is the API for IME. Browsers may not support these fully, and could through complications into the mix.
  191. # [23:51] <dand> TSF
  192. # [23:51] <Travis> dand: IMM32 (old one), TSF (new one), others for mac/linux
  193. # [23:54] <smaug> ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88831 )
  194. # [23:55] <Travis> Travis: I don't think we should go down the road of trying to spec all of the details of what an IME event model could look like
  195. # [23:56] <Travis> dand: seems very complicated to purse that and we lack implementation experience.
  196. # [23:56] <Travis> shepazu: OK. Sounds good. We should spec a minimum of compositionstart/end for IME because that's what browsers have chosen to do.
  197. # [23:57] <Travis> Topic: Method for asking the UA for what keys have been pressed down.
  198. # [23:57] <Travis> shepazu: We talked about this last week, and several folks throught there was utility there.
  199. # [23:58] <Travis> shepazu: That's about it for that topic :)
  200. # [23:58] <Travis> shepazu: dand can you see about connected us with the WebKit guy for compositionstart/end events?
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