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  1. # Session Start: Thu Jul 02 00:00:00 2009
  2. # Session Ident: #webapps
  3. # [00:00] <shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
  4. # [00:00] * trackbot is ending a teleconference
  5. # [00:00] <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
  6. # [00:00] <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been [Microsoft], Shepazu, smaug, dand
  7. # [00:00] <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
  8. # [00:00] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/01-webapps-minutes.html trackbot
  9. # [00:00] <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
  10. # [00:00] <Zakim> -smaug
  11. # [00:00] <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/01-webapps-actions.rdf :
  12. # [00:00] <RRSAgent> ACTION: smaug to comment on D3E [1]
  13. # [00:00] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  14. # [00:00] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/01-webapps-irc#T21-32-39
  15. # [00:00] <RRSAgent> ACTION: Travis to comment on D3E [2]
  16. # [00:00] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/01-webapps-irc#T21-32-50
  17. # [00:00] <RRSAgent> ACTION: MSjacob to comment on D3E [3]
  18. # [00:00] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/01-webapps-irc#T21-32-56
  19. # [00:00] <Zakim> -Shepazu
  20. # [00:00] <RRSAgent> ACTION: Travis to start writeup of guiding principles for event usage [4]
  21. # [00:00] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/01-webapps-irc#T21-51-28
  22. # [00:00] <Zakim> -dand
  23. # [00:00] <Zakim> IA_WebApps(DOM3)5:00PM has ended
  24. # [00:00] <Zakim> Attendees were [Microsoft], Shepazu, smaug, dand
  25. # [00:00] * Parts: RRSAgent (rrs-loggee@128.30.52.30)
  26. # [00:00] <dand> shepazu: so I should go about getting an account
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  130. # [22:02] <smaug> Hixie: ping
  131. # [22:02] <Hixie> hey
  132. # [22:03] <smaug> Hixie: about HTML5's session history
  133. # [22:04] <Hixie> yes
  134. # [22:04] <smaug> I'm trying to understand the "Each browsing context, including nested browsing context, has a distinct session history."
  135. # [22:04] <Hixie> browsing context = frames, iframes, windows, tabs, etc. basically i think what mozilla calls a docshell (?)
  136. # [22:05] <smaug> but in practice if go(-1) is called in a iframe (and it hasn't been navigated from the original page), the top level page is navigated
  137. # [22:05] <Hixie> ...oh.
  138. # [22:05] <Hixie> really?
  139. # [22:05] <Hixie> huh
  140. # [22:05] <smaug> every browser
  141. # [22:05] <smaug> don't know about IE
  142. # [22:05] <Hixie> wow, how did i miss that
  143. # [22:06] <Hixie> you sure?
  144. # [22:06] <Hixie> i mean, i'm sure you're sure
  145. # [22:06] <Hixie> i'm just so surprised
  146. # [22:06] <Hixie> do you mean that it navigates whichever of the browsing contexts was most recently navigated?
  147. # [22:06] <Hixie> or does it actually move the top one?
  148. # [22:07] <smaug> Go http://mozilla.pettay.fi/moztests/ then locate history_test.html
  149. # [22:07] <smaug> then press go(-1)
  150. # [22:07] <smaug> ah
  151. # [22:07] <smaug> probably whatever was most recently navigated
  152. # [22:07] <smaug> I need to test some more
  153. # [22:08] <Hixie> oh that's even more different
  154. # [22:08] <smaug> but at least the history isn't per browser context
  155. # [22:08] <Hixie> or at least, .back() and company don't navigate that one
  156. # [22:08] <Hixie> but some aggregate one
  157. # [22:08] <Hixie> huh
  158. # [22:08] <Hixie> that's going to be a huge pain to fix
  159. # [22:08] <smaug> right
  160. # [22:09] <smaug> someone was going to start to implement pushState and I had to review HTML5's history....
  161. # [22:09] <smaug> didn't look quite right
  162. # [22:09] <Hixie> i wonder if i can define a per-top-level-bc history that is the union of all the histories of all the bcs that are active
  163. # [22:09] <Hixie> sorted in the order in which those entries were added
  164. # [22:09] <Hixie> and then define .go() in terms of that
  165. # [22:10] <Hixie> and leave everything else alone
  166. # [22:10] <Hixie> i think that might do it
  167. # [22:10] <Hixie> i'd have to define the sort order carefully
  168. # [22:10] <Hixie> and somehow come up with a definition of the "current" position
  169. # [22:10] <Hixie> i'm sure this will be quite exciting
  170. # [22:10] <smaug> in gecko top level content docshell owns the shistory
  171. # [22:11] <Hixie> smaug: can i ask you a favour? can you post this irc log or something like it to whatwg?
  172. # [22:11] <smaug> ok, will do
  173. # [22:11] <Hixie> plus anything else you know about it, like how mozilla does it?
  174. # [22:11] <Hixie> how urgent is it that i fix this?
  175. # [22:12] <smaug> well, I don't know yet how pushState works with this all
  176. # [22:12] <smaug> I need to think about that
  177. # [22:12] <Hixie> k
  178. # [22:12] <Hixie> i can probably get to this this weekend
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