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  42. # [16:34] * Topic is 'WebApps WG; this channel is logged at http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
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  70. # [23:06] <shepazu> trackbot, start telcon
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  72. # [23:06] * trackbot is starting a teleconference
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  74. # [23:06] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-webapps-irc
  75. # [23:06] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  76. # [23:06] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  78. # [23:06] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAPP
  79. # [23:06] <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
  80. # [23:06] <trackbot> Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
  81. # [23:06] <trackbot> Date: 22 July 2009
  82. # [23:06] <shepazu> Zakim, call shepazu
  83. # [23:06] <Zakim> sorry, shepazu, I don't know what conference this is
  84. # [23:06] <shepazu> zakim, this is DOM3
  85. # [23:06] <Zakim> ok, shepazu; that matches IA_WebApps(DOM3)5:00PM
  86. # [23:06] <shepazu> zakim, call shepazu
  87. # [23:06] <Zakim> ok, shepazu; the call is being made
  88. # [23:06] <Zakim> +Shepazu
  89. # [23:06] <Zakim> -??P1
  90. # [23:07] <Zakim> +??P1
  91. # [23:07] <smaug> Zakim, ??P1 is me
  92. # [23:07] <Zakim> +smaug; got it
  93. # [23:07] <shepazu> zakim, who's here?
  94. # [23:07] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], Shepazu, smaug
  95. # [23:07] <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, MSjacob, shepazu, heycam, ilinsky, gsnedders, Marcos, krijnh, karl, tlr, Lachy, smaug, hendry, trackbot, Dashiva, gavin_, timelyx, Hixie, inimino, phenny
  96. # [23:08] <shepazu> zakim, [Microsoft] is MSJacob
  97. # [23:08] <Zakim> +MSJacob; got it
  98. # [23:10] <shepazu> Zakim, pick a victim
  99. # [23:10] <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose smaug
  100. # [23:10] <shepazu> chair: shepazu
  101. # [23:11] <shepazu> scribenick: smaug
  102. # [23:11] <shepazu> scribe: Olli Pettay
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  104. # [23:12] <smaug> shepazu: we are all awesome
  105. # [23:13] <shepazu> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2009JulSep/0039.html
  106. # [23:14] <smaug> MSjacob: smaug: the new draft looks reasonable
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  108. # [23:15] <dand> howdy
  109. # [23:15] <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html
  110. # [23:16] <shepazu> Zakim, code?
  111. # [23:16] <Zakim> the conference code is 3663 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shepazu
  112. # [23:16] <shepazu> there you go, dand
  113. # [23:17] <dand> cheers
  114. # [23:17] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
  115. # [23:17] <smaug> shepazu: some of the events needs the be defined better, as per the comments sent to the mailing list
  116. # [23:17] <shepazu> ZAKIM, [IPcaller] IS dand
  117. # [23:17] <Zakim> +dand; got it
  118. # [23:18] * shepazu tests dand
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  120. # [23:19] <smaug> shepazu: I'll add some more diagrams, for example about mouse events handling
  121. # [23:19] <dand> um, can't hear you all of a sudden
  122. # [23:20] * shepazu dand say something?
  123. # [23:20] <Zakim> -dand
  124. # [23:21] * shepazu @dand, just call back in
  125. # [23:21] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
  126. # [23:21] <dand> yeah, just done
  127. # [23:21] <shepazu> Zakim, [IPcaller] is dand
  128. # [23:21] <Zakim> +dand; got it
  129. # [23:22] <smaug> smaug: I haven't commented about mouseenter/leave
  130. # [23:22] <smaug> shepazu: they just went in
  131. # [23:23] <smaug> shepazu: need to sort out when mouseenter/leave actually happen
  132. # [23:24] <smaug> shepazu: DOMFocusIn/Out are deprecated
  133. # [23:25] <shepazu> http://www.quirksmode.org/dom/events/index.html
  134. # [23:27] <smaug> shepazu: MSjacob to test DOMFocusIn/out vs focus/blur
  135. # [23:27] <shepazu> Action: MSjacob to test DOMFocusIn/out vs focus/blur
  136. # [23:27] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  137. # [23:27] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - MSjacob
  138. # [23:27] * RRSAgent records action 1
  139. # [23:27] <shepazu> Action: Travis to test DOMFocusIn/out vs focus/blur
  140. # [23:27] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  141. # [23:27] * RRSAgent records action 2
  142. # [23:27] <trackbot> Created ACTION-386 - Test DOMFocusIn/out vs focus/blur [on Travis Leithead - due 2009-07-29].
  143. # [23:28] <smaug> MSjacob: there is no such thing like beforeblur/beforefocus. Should there be such thing?
  144. # [23:30] <smaug> IE has focusin which happens before focus changes
  145. # [23:32] <smaug> MSjacob: though, IE hasn't capture phase atm
  146. # [23:33] <smaug> ISSUE: resolve case of focusin in IE
  147. # [23:33] * trackbot noticed an ISSUE. Trying to create it.
  148. # [23:33] <trackbot> Created ISSUE-92 - Resolve case of focusin in IE ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/92/edit .
  149. # [23:34] <smaug> Zakim, who is talking
  150. # [23:34] <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', smaug
  151. # [23:35] <smaug> MSjacob: there is need for relatedTarget to know where the focus is moving from
  152. # [23:40] <smaug> ACTION: shepazu to add relatedTarget to UIEvent or to some new interface (for focus handling events)
  153. # [23:40] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  154. # [23:40] * RRSAgent records action 3
  155. # [23:40] <trackbot> Created ACTION-387 - Add relatedTarget to UIEvent or to some new interface (for focus handling events) [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-07-29].
  156. # [23:41] <smaug> ACTION: smaug to test focus handling in gecko
  157. # [23:41] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  158. # [23:41] * RRSAgent records action 4
  159. # [23:41] <trackbot> Created ACTION-388 - Test focus handling in gecko [on Olli Pettay - due 2009-07-29].
  160. # [23:41] <smaug> Topic: DOMActivate vs. Click
  161. # [23:44] <smaug> shepazu: it seems to me that only firefox has implemented DOMActivate
  162. # [23:44] <smaug> shepazu: where else is DOMActivate used
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  164. # [23:45] <smaug> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/REC-xforms-20071029/#evt-activate
  165. # [23:46] <smaug> shepazu: svg might mention DOMActivate too
  166. # [23:46] <smaug> shepazu: what implementations use it and who relies on it and what are the use cases
  167. # [23:47] <smaug> shepazu: what content relies upon it
  168. # [23:48] <smaug> shepazu: I'm also concerned about a11y
  169. # [23:49] <smaug> shepazu: I'd like to invite comments about DOMActivate
  170. # [23:50] <smaug> shepazu: click is also pretty abstract
  171. # [23:51] <smaug> shepazu: I'll contact the WAI folks
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  174. # [23:54] * chaals wonders if you guys are still on th phone
  175. # [23:54] <smaug> yes
  176. # [23:54] * shepazu yes
  177. # [23:55] <chaals> zakim, code?
  178. # [23:55] <Zakim> the conference code is 3663 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chaals
  179. # [23:55] <smaug> Topic: composition events
  180. # [23:56] <Zakim> +??P3
  181. # [23:56] <chaals> zakim, ??p3 is me
  182. # [23:56] <Zakim> +chaals; got it
  183. # [23:56] <shepazu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2009JulSep/att-0010/compositionevent.txt
  184. # [23:57] <smaug> chaals: I agree, DOMFocusIn/Out/Activate could be deprecated
  185. # Session Close: Thu Jul 23 00:00:00 2009

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