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  159. # [15:28] <Marcos> Anne, will HTML5 define a "default" or "base" style sheet for documents?
  160. # [15:28] <Marcos> like a standard browser style sheet
  161. # [15:29] <annevk> see the rendering section
  162. # [15:29] <Marcos> annevk: will do
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  164. # [15:43] <Marcos> Anne, would it be retarded of me to make tests using the following markup:
  165. # [15:43] <Marcos> <!doctype html>
  166. # [15:43] <Marcos> <title>FAIL</title>
  167. # [15:43] <Marcos> <body style="background-color:red;border:2px solid black;">
  168. # [15:43] <Marcos> <h1>FAIL</h1>
  169. # [15:43] <Marcos> (and PASS for passed, of course)
  170. # [16:00] <Lachy> Marcos, how is that a test case?
  171. # [16:01] <Marcos> Well, that's not the test case. That is just what is displayed if the test case is passed (test cases in the widgets P&C are not scriptable). The test cases only load HTML files.
  172. # [16:02] <Marcos> s/is passed/is passed or failed
  173. # [16:03] <Marcos> for example, a test for "A user agent must treat file names in the default start files table case-sensitively." should show the fail page if "INDEX.HTML" is loaded.
  174. # [16:04] <Marcos> It would fail because all files in the default start files table are in lower case
  175. # [16:05] <Marcos> Lachy, make sense?
  176. # [16:06] <Lachy> yeah, that makes sense
  177. # [16:07] <Marcos> I guess the question is, is it a good or bad idea to use such minimal markup in the HTML? or is safer, from a testing point of view, to use more structured markup (even though the resulting DOM tree will be exactly the same)
  178. # [16:07] <Marcos> ?
  179. # [16:08] <Lachy> no, it doesn't matter
  180. # [16:09] <Marcos> Lachy, thanks. I will keep the short version then.
  181. # [16:09] * Marcos wishes he could have just used:
  182. # [16:09] <Marcos> <!DOCTYPE html>
  183. # [16:09] <Marcos> <title>PASS</title>
  184. # [16:09] <Marcos> <h1>PASS</h1>
  185. # [16:09] <Marcos> that would have been awesome :)
  186. # [16:11] <krijnh> Why can't you use that?
  187. # [16:11] <Marcos> I guess I could, but I need the style in the body or a style element.
  188. # [16:12] <krijnh> Unless you use a http link header with the styling information
  189. # [16:14] <Marcos> krijnh: I'm testing widgets, so I'm just keeping it within the package (no http).
  190. # [16:14] <krijnh> Ke :)
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  192. # [16:29] <karl> Marcos: you could send the style through http-headers ;) http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/present/styles.html#h-14.6
  193. # [16:29] <karl> Link: <http://www.acme.com/corporate.css>; REL=stylesheet
  194. # [16:29] <Marcos> fancy, I've never seen that done
  195. # [16:30] <Marcos> does it work in browsers?
  196. # [16:30] <karl> in .htaccess, "Header add Link "</mycute.css>;rel=stylesheet;type=text/css;media=all"
  197. # [16:31] <Marcos> alas, as I said above, I'm testing widgets so I need to keep to resources within a widget package
  198. # [16:31] <karl> working in gecko and opera
  199. # [16:32] <karl> not working in safari and ie
  200. # [16:32] <karl> :)
  201. # [16:32] <Marcos> Still, pretty cool
  202. # [16:34] * karl was wondering what would happen if he puts a .htaccess inside a widget package
  203. # [16:34] <Marcos> that would work for Wookie, probably, as those are server side widgets that work over HTTP\
  204. # [16:35] <Marcos> Clientside widgets use the "widget://", um, "protocol" :P ... the protocol is dumb at the moment... just reads files straight from disk.
  205. # [16:36] <Marcos> I argued that widgets should run on http://localhost:somPort/widget.wgt!path/to/file or something
  206. # [16:38] <Marcos> It's also the reason why widget packages require any particular uri scheme
  207. # [16:39] <Marcos> karl: see http://datadriven.com.au/2007/12/17/omg-im-a-server-widgets-and-the-exciting-future-of-mobiles/
  208. # [16:40] <Marcos> And, you've seen Opera Unite (which kinda does what I was rambling about, though my ramblings and opera unite are completely unrelated)
  209. # [16:41] <karl> hehe.
  210. # [16:41] <karl> thanks for the link.
  211. # [16:41] <Marcos> np
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  214. # [17:22] <darobin> Marcos: why can't you just use <h1 style="background-color:red;border:2px solid black;">FAIL</h1> ?
  215. # [17:23] <Marcos> darobin: I think I will just go with <body style="background-color:red">. I don't like using h1 because background-color is transparent by default (in HTML5)
  216. # [17:23] <Marcos> darobin: need to be able to check the width and height of a widget with testing too
  217. # [17:23] <darobin> I'd just go <h1 style='color:red'>FAIL</h1>
  218. # [17:24] <darobin> I thought this was just for loading
  219. # [17:24] <darobin> but I won't argue — you do your testing, I'll do my documentation :)
  220. # [17:24] <Marcos> darobin: humans may still test manually, and that would be a pain
  221. # [17:24] <darobin> stupid humans
  222. # [17:24] <Marcos> yeah
  223. # [17:25] <Marcos> so cuuuuuteee my little test pages, I just want to put them in the oven and bake them:
  224. # [17:26] <Marcos> <!doctype html>
  225. # [17:26] <Marcos> <title>FAIL</title>
  226. # [17:26] <Marcos> <body style="background-color:red">
  227. # [17:26] <Marcos> <h1>FAIL</h1>
  228. # [17:27] <Marcos> woops, did I just say that out-loud? :P
  229. # [17:43] <krijnh> karl: that's what I meant :)
  230. # [17:45] <karl> krijnh: ooops I had missed it :) sorry
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  232. # [17:46] <krijnh> Well, if you hadn't missed it, Marcos wouldn't have known about it, so it's probably a good thing you didn't
  233. # [17:47] <krijnh> And I clearly suck at giving useful tips :)
  234. # [17:47] * Marcos happy he learnt something today (no krijnh, I got what you were saying... karl just put down the code : ) )
  235. # [17:49] <krijnh> You also work at Opera right?
  236. # [17:50] <Marcos> krijnh: yep
  237. # [17:50] <krijnh> Who of you are coming to Fronteers 2009, if any at all? (You are a main sponsor, and there are probably going to be some interesting talks about mobile/widgets)
  238. # [17:51] <Marcos> I imagine Chaals
  239. # [17:51] <Marcos> When is it?
  240. # [17:51] <krijnh> Problem is, it's together with the TPAC :(
  241. # [17:51] <krijnh> Some bad planning on our part
  242. # [17:51] <krijnh> November 5 and 6
  243. # [17:52] <Marcos> oh, well, um... I'm sure we will send someone good. We have some kick ass widget developers here.
  244. # [17:52] * Marcos already scheduled for tpac
  245. # [17:53] <krijnh> Drat :)
  246. # [17:54] * Marcos checks tpac schedule
  247. # [17:56] <Marcos> Ah, so you are the bastard who stole Molly during tpac! :)
  248. # [17:57] <krijnh> Muhaha
  249. # [17:57] <krijnh> I don't think it was me, actually
  250. # [17:58] <krijnh> Molly just asked around for a good excuse not to go there, so we offered her a slot ;)
  251. # [17:59] <Marcos> Gee, you've got a pretty good line-up... maybe I should bail out of TPAC and come along. Would like to listen to John Resig.
  252. # [17:59] <krijnh> Yeah, it's going to be great
  253. # [17:59] <krijnh> (I get smacked by ppk if I don't mention that at least once a day)
  254. # [18:00] <Marcos> hehe
  255. # [18:00] <Marcos> PPK not speaking?
  256. # [18:00] <krijnh> So, how's the weather today :)
  257. # [18:01] <krijnh> We haven't announced all speakers yet
  258. # [18:01] <Marcos> heh... actually, now that you mention it, it's sunny outside for a change!!!
  259. # [18:01] <Marcos> (that deserves a mention because the weather has been sooooo shit over the last three weeks in Oslo)
  260. # [18:02] <krijnh> Same here
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