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  64. # [20:02] <shepazu> trackbot, start telcon
  65. # [20:02] * trackbot is starting a teleconference
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  67. # [20:02] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-webapps-irc
  68. # [20:02] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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  70. # [20:02] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  71. # [20:02] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAPP
  72. # [20:02] <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
  73. # [20:02] <trackbot> Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
  74. # [20:02] <trackbot> Date: 14 October 2009
  75. # [20:02] * shepazu Zakim, this will be DOM3
  76. # [20:02] * Zakim ok, shepazu; I see IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM scheduled to start 3 minutes ago
  77. # [20:02] * shepazu zakim, call shepazu
  78. # [20:02] * Zakim ok, shepazu; the call is being made
  79. # [20:02] <Zakim> IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM has now started
  80. # [20:02] <Zakim> +Shepazu
  81. # [20:03] <smaug> uh, only 1.47€ in my skype account
  82. # [20:03] <smaug> I hope that is enough
  83. # [20:03] <smaug> it should be
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  85. # [20:04] <Zakim> +??P4
  86. # [20:04] <smaug> Zakim, ??P4 is me
  87. # [20:04] <Zakim> +smaug; got it
  88. # [20:15] <smaug> http://mozilla.pettay.fi/moztests/timestamp.html
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  90. # [20:25] <smaug> Hi Travis
  91. # [20:25] <Travis> Sorry, I'm late...
  92. # [20:26] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  93. # [20:26] <Travis> scribeNick: Travis
  94. # [20:28] <shepazu> Zakim, [Microsoft] is Travis
  95. # [20:28] <Zakim> +Travis; got it
  96. # [20:28] <Travis> Topic: timestamps
  97. # [20:28] <Travis> scribe: Travis
  98. # [20:29] <smaug> http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/REC-DOM-Level-2-Events-20001113/ecma-script-binding.html
  99. # [20:29] <Travis> All browsers (but perhaps Chrome?) use a number (rather than a Date object).
  100. # [20:30] <shepazu> [[
  101. # [20:30] <shepazu> timeStamp of type DOMTimeStamp, readonly
  102. # [20:30] <shepazu> Used to specify the time (in milliseconds relative to the epoch) at which the event was created. Due to the fact that some systems may not provide this information the value of timeStamp may be not available for all events. When not available, a value of 0 will be returned. Examples of epoch time are the time of the system start or 0:0:0 UTC 1st January 1970.
  103. # [20:30] <shepazu> ]]
  104. # [20:31] <shepazu> [[
  105. # [20:31] <shepazu> timeStamp
  106. # [20:31] <shepazu> This read-only property is a Date object.
  107. # [20:31] <shepazu> ]]
  108. # [20:31] <Travis> Probably relying on it as a sequence (for primitive ordering)
  109. # [20:32] <Travis> Can always new Date();
  110. # [20:34] <Travis> shepazu: Has been metioned that it's complicated for implementors to return a Date.
  111. # [20:34] <smaug> new Date(event.timeStamp);
  112. # [20:34] <Travis> smaug: Can always convert timeStamp to date.
  113. # [20:36] <Travis> shepazu: Since IE is not supporting this, there's likely little compat impact to tightening up the spec.
  114. # [20:37] <Travis> ... Could strip out the clause that allows zero.
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  116. # [20:40] <Travis> Action: shepazu to add "should" clause to make the timestamp an Epoch string of type Number (in the ECMAScript binding).
  117. # [20:40] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  118. # [20:40] * RRSAgent records action 1
  119. # [20:40] <trackbot> Created ACTION-417 - Add "should" clause to make the timestamp an Epoch string of type Number (in the ECMAScript binding). [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-10-21].
  120. # [20:40] <shepazu> Topic: Defining Events in DOM3 Events
  121. # [20:42] <Travis> E.g., like the Progress Events 1.0 spec by Chaals?
  122. # [20:45] <Travis> shepazu: Sync and Async? SVG is just adding this concept.
  123. # [20:48] <Travis> I have to do this anyway... I may be able to provide this detail before November.
  124. # [20:48] <Travis> shepazu: Regarding the algorithms of when to fire, that seems very host-language specific.
  125. # [20:48] <Travis> shepazu: sync/async, seems like a good idea to add to the spec.
  126. # [20:49] <Travis> Action: Travis to provide async/ sync data based on browser testing
  127. # [20:49] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  128. # [20:49] * RRSAgent records action 2
  129. # [20:49] <trackbot> Created ACTION-418 - Provide async/ sync data based on browser testing [on Travis Leithead - due 2009-10-21].
  130. # [20:49] <Travis> shepazu: Event flow diagrams to be added to spec soon.
  131. # [20:50] <Travis> ... some combinations will be tricky.
  132. # [20:52] <Travis> Topic: WebIDL for DOM L3 Events.
  133. # [20:52] <Travis> Travis: Will DOM L3 Events support WebIDL syntax on its IDL blocks?
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  135. # [20:59] <Travis> shepazu: Sam Wenieg will be co-editing WebIDL as Cameron finishes his disseration.
  136. # [21:00] <Travis> er, dissertation
  137. # [21:01] <Travis> shepazu: Common myth that you can't go to Rec with a normative reference to a non-Rec spec. Actually not true, but requires greater scrutiny.
  138. # [21:02] <Travis> ... We could "safely" use WebIDL in our spec.
  139. # [21:05] <Travis> Topic: Last Call Timeline?
  140. # [21:05] <Travis> shepazu: What do people think about targeting last call for November?
  141. # [21:06] <Travis> ... Have solicited early comments from other working groups to try to mitigate issues at Last Call.
  142. # [21:08] <Travis> Topic: New sections to the spec
  143. # [21:08] <Travis> shepazu: Added a section on conformance criteria
  144. # [21:09] <Travis> ... Also a section on feature detection based on hasFeature
  145. # [21:09] <Travis> ... Can you folks look this over and give me feedback?
  146. # [21:09] <Travis> Cameron and other have already provided feedback. Seems OK so far.
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  148. # [21:10] <Zakim> -smaug
  149. # [21:10] <Zakim> -Travis
  150. # [21:10] <Zakim> -Shepazu
  151. # [21:10] <Zakim> IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM has ended
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  153. # [21:10] <Zakim> Attendees were Shepazu, smaug, Travis
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  155. # [21:32] * ArtB wonders if Shepazu or someone is going to: RRSAgent, make minutes
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  157. # [21:35] <shepazu> trackbot, make minutes
  158. # [21:35] <trackbot> Sorry, shepazu, I don't understand 'trackbot, make minutes'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
  159. # [21:35] <shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
  160. # [21:35] * trackbot is ending a teleconference
  161. # [21:35] <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
  162. # [21:35] <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
  163. # [21:35] <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
  164. # [21:35] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-webapps-minutes.html trackbot
  165. # [21:35] <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
  166. # [21:35] <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-webapps-actions.rdf :
  167. # [21:35] <RRSAgent> ACTION: shepazu to add "should" clause to make the timestamp an Epoch string of type Number (in the ECMAScript binding). [1]
  168. # [21:36] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-webapps-irc#T18-40-54
  169. # [21:36] <RRSAgent> ACTION: Travis to provide async/ sync data based on browser testing [2]
  170. # [21:36] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-webapps-irc#T18-49-51
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