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  78. # [18:29] <smaug> the new w3c website is difficult to use
  79. # [18:29] <smaug> apparently I need to bookmark http://www.w3.org/Consortium/siteindex.html and forget the frontpage
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  83. # [20:10] * Topic is 'WebApps WG -- I'm fall on his neck with thankfulness that this channel is logged at http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ '
  84. # [20:10] * Set by shepazu on Thu Oct 22 23:19:10
  85. # [20:11] <Travis> ... What do you folks think about "buttons" with more of the IE behavior (a bit mask)
  86. # [20:14] <Travis> Travis: I'm hesitant to add this-- don't want to introduce the complexity and redundancy (and confusion?)
  87. # [20:16] <Travis> shepazu: I'd like to put this in the spec as a proposal--to get community feedback.
  88. # [20:17] <Travis> topic: default actions triggered by programmatic dispatch
  89. # [20:22] <Travis> ... e.g., programmatically create click event, dispatch it to an <A> element, and does it navigate the page?
  90. # [20:22] <Travis> shepazu: This makes me really nervous.
  91. # [20:22] <Travis> Travis: This is allowed in most browsers (I believe)
  92. # [20:23] <Travis> smaug: Yes, for back compat--we broke this once and got lots of complaints.
  93. # [20:23] <smaug> ^^^^that was for keypress on input elements, IIRC
  94. # [20:25] <Travis> ... We distinguish between "trusted events" and "non-trusted", and give trusted events the ability to cause default actions.
  95. # [20:25] <smaug> isTrusted
  96. # [20:25] <Travis> shepazu: Should we add this concept to the spec?
  97. # [20:26] <Travis> ... This would be a new attribute for events ("trusted"={true/false}). Programmatic dispatch of events would always be trusted=false.
  98. # [20:28] <Travis> Topic: Ninja Dispatch
  99. # [20:29] <Travis> Travis: Create an event. Init the event. Call stopImmediatePropagation(). Now dispatch.
  100. # [20:30] <Travis> Action: shepazu Add clarity about dispatch under the scenario of propagation has been stopped before dispatch.
  101. # [20:30] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  102. # [20:30] * RRSAgent records action 2
  103. # [20:30] <trackbot> Created ACTION-427 - Add clarity about dispatch under the scenario of propagation has been stopped before dispatch. [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-11-04].
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  105. # [20:33] <Travis> Topic: 5.1.1: "this event must not be triggered".
  106. # [20:34] <Travis> Travis: This does not accomodate the Window object.
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  108. # [20:35] <Travis> ... (e.g., defaultView)
  109. # [20:36] <Travis> ... Should all events be allowed to be captured on the defaultView?
  110. # [20:36] <Travis> shepazu: Yes.
  111. # [20:37] <Travis> Action: shepazu Change text in 5.1.1 to "If an event listener for the load event is attached to a node other than Window (defaultView), Document or Element nodes, or if it is attached to the bubbling phase only, this event listener must not be triggered.
  112. # [20:37] * RRSAgent records action 3
  113. # [20:37] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  114. # [20:37] <trackbot> Created ACTION-428 - Change text in 5.1.1 to "If an event listener for the load event is attached to a node other than Window (defaultView), Document or Element nodes, or if it is attached to the bubbling phase only, this event listener must not be triggered. [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-11-04].
  115. # [20:38] <Travis> Travis: That's all I have
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  117. # [20:39] <Travis> shepazu: Want to discuss touch/gesture events?
  118. # [20:39] <Travis> khiitola: Would love to get a list of people interested in contributing to a specification on touch/gesture?
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  120. # [20:40] <Travis> shepazu: It's in our charter to handle this.
  121. # [20:40] <Travis> ... Call to advisory commitee has already gone out.
  122. # [20:41] <Travis> ... Can ask for "interest" in the advisory committee (using official channels)
  123. # [20:42] <Travis> ... Can ask specific people as desired.
  124. # [20:42] <Travis> shepazu: Note: No telecon next week.
  125. # [20:45] <Travis> Action: shepazu to the COMM teams and PLH to make a call for participation for multitouch.
  126. # [20:45] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  127. # [20:45] * RRSAgent records action 4
  128. # [20:45] <trackbot> Created ACTION-429 - The COMM teams and PLH to make a call for participation for multitouch. [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-11-04].
  129. # [20:48] <Travis> shepazu: For multitouch, does each touchpoint have an id?
  130. # [20:49] <Travis> smaug: A stream id.
  131. # [20:49] <Travis> shepazu: What about two different people touching the device?
  132. # [20:50] <Travis> (Travis not participating)
  133. # [20:50] <Travis> shepazu: You CAN detect it!!
  134. # [20:50] <Travis> shepazu: Can refer to this as "alternative input events" (AIE)
  135. # [20:51] <Travis> khiitola: Should include the word "ninja"
  136. # [20:51] * ArtB wonders if Zahod Beeblebrox using two tongues to touch is in scope
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  138. # [20:51] <Zakim> -khiitola
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  140. # [20:51] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  141. # [20:51] <Zakim> -Shepazu
  142. # [20:51] <Zakim> -smaug
  143. # [20:51] <Zakim> IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM has ended
  144. # [20:51] <Zakim> Attendees were [Microsoft], Shepazu, yngve, smaug, +358.407.37aaaa, khiitola
  145. # [21:12] * Zakim excuses himself; his presence no longer seems to be needed
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  151. # [21:37] <shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
  152. # [21:37] * trackbot is ending a teleconference
  153. # [21:37] <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
  154. # [21:37] <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
  155. # [21:37] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/28-webapps-minutes.html trackbot
  156. # [21:37] <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
  157. # [21:37] <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/28-webapps-actions.rdf :
  158. # [21:37] <RRSAgent> ACTION: shepazu to add section on re-entrant event handlers (may be contingent on async/sync) [1]
  159. # [21:37] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/28-webapps-irc#T19-00-54
  160. # [21:37] <RRSAgent> ACTION: shepazu Add clarity about dispatch under the scenario of propagation has been stopped before dispatch. [2]
  161. # [21:37] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/28-webapps-irc#T19-29-51
  162. # [21:37] <RRSAgent> ACTION: shepazu Change text in 5.1.1 to "If an event listener for the load event is attached to a node other than Window (defaultView), Document or Element nodes, or if it is attached to the bubbling phase only, this event listener must not be triggered. [3]
  163. # [21:37] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/28-webapps-irc#T19-37-47
  164. # [21:37] <RRSAgent> ACTION: shepazu to the COMM teams and PLH to make a call for participation for multitouch. [4]
  165. # [21:38] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/28-webapps-irc#T19-45-46
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