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  69. # [17:53] <Marcos> oh, cool shepazu, SVG is now part of HTML5! http://www.w3.org/2010/04/w3c-track.html
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  74. # [18:58] <shepazu> Marcos: yeah, HTML5 is the new AJAX
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  76. # [20:03] <shepazu> trackbot, join telcon
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  80. # [20:03] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-webapps-irc
  81. # [20:04] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  82. # [20:04] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  84. # [20:04] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DOM3
  85. # [20:04] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM already started
  86. # [20:04] <trackbot> Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
  87. # [20:04] <trackbot> Date: 03 March 2010
  88. # [20:04] * shepazu Zakim, call shepazu
  89. # [20:04] * Zakim ok, shepazu; the call is being made
  90. # [20:04] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  91. # [20:04] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  92. # [20:04] <Zakim> +Shepazu
  93. # [20:04] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
  94. # [20:05] <smaug> Zakim, [IPcaller] is Olli_Pettay
  95. # [20:05] <Zakim> +Olli_Pettay; got it
  96. # [20:06] <Travis> scribe: Travis
  97. # [20:06] <Travis> scribeNick: Travis
  98. # [20:07] <Travis> shepazu: New draft of the spec is now available.
  99. # [20:07] <shepazu> DOM3 spec updated: http://dev.w3.org//2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html
  100. # [20:10] <Travis> shepazu: I will take the 'magnify' event out and introduce it to the AIDE spec (Alternate Input Device Events)
  101. # [20:10] <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org//2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#event-type-wheel
  102. # [20:19] <Travis> shepazu: Extended the ContextInfo section (per event--not done with it yet) to show the per-property value.
  103. # [20:21] <Travis> smaug: If stopPropagation() is called on an event and then it is later dispatched, what should happen?
  104. # [20:23] <Travis> shepazu: Is there a resolution to add the Event interface's properties to the ContextInfo?
  105. # [20:24] <Travis> Yes.
  106. # [20:24] <Travis> smaug: Yes
  107. # [20:25] <Travis> Topic: UIEvent/ Event interfaces (dual)
  108. # [20:28] <Travis> Our implementation is making most of the Events (that were changed to be UIEvents) UIEvents. I figured it's better to provide the 'detail' and 'view' properties.
  109. # [20:30] <Travis> smaug: DOM L2 Events speced most of these as deriving from Event interface. Some implementations are mapping the events as such.
  110. # [20:31] <Travis> shepazu: Wondering what the implications are for having them be UIEvents?
  111. # [20:31] <Travis> ... kinda makes sense semantically.
  112. # [20:32] <Travis> ... I'm not passionate about either way.
  113. # [20:34] <Travis> ... For now, I will leave these as-is (and note the change from Event to UIEvent)
  114. # [20:35] <Travis> Topic: Keyboard events (Dead Keys)
  115. # [20:38] <Travis> Windows platform does not natively offer dead key support to it's applications (via windows messages). Applications that want to support dead keys have to implment that support themselves.
  116. # [20:38] <Travis> Action: shepazu to note to authors that dead-key support may not be available in some operating systems.
  117. # [20:38] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  118. # [20:38] * RRSAgent records action 1
  119. # [20:38] <trackbot> Created ACTION-499 - Note to authors that dead-key support may not be available in some operating systems. [on Doug Schepers - due 2010-03-10].
  120. # [20:39] <Travis> Topic: Key Value issues
  121. # [20:39] <Travis> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#key-values
  122. # [20:40] <Travis> BrowserBack, VolumeMute keys; what is the KeyboardEvent.location for them?
  123. # [20:43] <Travis> Action shepazu to state that unless otherwise noted, all key locations should be DOM_KEY_LOCATION_STANDARD.
  124. # [20:43] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  125. # [20:43] <trackbot> Created ACTION-500 - State that unless otherwise noted, all key locations should be DOM_KEY_LOCATION_STANDARD. [on Doug Schepers - due 2010-03-10].
  126. # [20:45] <Travis> Topic: composition events and AltGraph key combos...
  127. # [20:45] <Travis> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#keyset-DeadKeys
  128. # [20:45] <Travis> In the link, the two examples show composition events firing for dead keys, do they also fire for AltGraph combos?
  129. # [20:46] <Travis> ... Wanting a little more clarity...
  130. # [20:51] <Travis> ... In the Issue filed on first example, step 5: our prototype feedback is that the key value should be e-with-accent.
  131. # [20:52] <Travis> shepazu: I should make a note, that the keydown in this example could be a combination of keys...
  132. # [20:53] <Travis> smaug: I don't believe that Gecko fires composition events in these cases (dead key/alt graph)...
  133. # [20:55] <Travis> shepazu: It's possible that composition events fire only when using an IME.
  134. # [20:58] <Travis> Action: shepazu to clarify that key named key values (from sectoin 6.2.7) are not to be localized.
  135. # [20:58] * RRSAgent records action 2
  136. # [20:58] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  137. # [20:58] <trackbot> Created ACTION-501 - Clarify that key named key values (from sectoin 6.2.7) are not to be localized. [on Doug Schepers - due 2010-03-10].
  138. # [21:01] <Travis> Action: shepazu to add a Calculator key to the named key values list.
  139. # [21:01] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  140. # [21:01] * RRSAgent records action 3
  141. # [21:01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-502 - Add a Calculator key to the named key values list. [on Doug Schepers - due 2010-03-10].
  142. # [21:05] <Travis> shepazu: Back to the composition events topic for keyboard combos...
  143. # [21:09] <Travis> ... It might be useful to have composition events fire (even simulated) to allow web-page ime simulation.
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  145. # [21:10] <Travis> Action: Travis to discuss the process for getting a key value and any peripheral composition event simulation necessary.
  146. # [21:10] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  147. # [21:10] * RRSAgent records action 4
  148. # [21:10] <trackbot> Created ACTION-503 - Discuss the process for getting a key value and any peripheral composition event simulation necessary. [on Travis Leithead - due 2010-03-10].
  149. # [21:11] <smaug> From a bug comment: "And looks like the draft still has some issues, e.g., compositionstart event is cancelable, but on GTK2 with uim or iBus, we cannot discard/commit the composition forcedly... I think the cancelable should be an option. The spec shouldn't guarantee that it's cancelable."
  150. # [21:13] <Travis> Action: smaug to uncover for GTK whether compositionstart can be cancelable.
  151. # [21:13] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  152. # [21:13] * RRSAgent records action 5
  153. # [21:13] <trackbot> Created ACTION-504 - Uncover for GTK whether compositionstart can be cancelable. [on Olli Pettay - due 2010-03-10].
  154. # [21:13] <smaug> "Should the compositionupdate event be fired only when the data value is changed? For example, our text event is dispatched when the caret
  155. # [21:13] <smaug> position is changed in composition. But it seems that the event is redundant for web developers."
  156. # [21:17] <Travis> Topic: Key location mobile
  157. # [21:18] <Travis> What are examples of this?
  158. # [21:18] <Travis> shepazu: soft keys may be mobile.
  159. # [21:18] <Travis> ... the number keys (0-9) on a phone would be from location: mobile
  160. # [21:19] <Travis> ... Example: web-based keyboard composition system--might be useful to know if it came from mobile, to map numbers (e.g., #2) to common letter combinations (ABC).
  161. # [21:21] <Travis> Action: shepazu Cite examples of when keys might be from DOM_KEY_LOCATION_MOBILE.
  162. # [21:21] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  163. # [21:21] * RRSAgent records action 6
  164. # [21:21] <trackbot> Created ACTION-505 - Cite examples of when keys might be from DOM_KEY_LOCATION_MOBILE. [on Doug Schepers - due 2010-03-10].
  165. # [21:23] <Travis> Topic: Clarifying Key values
  166. # [21:23] <Travis> shepazu: Feedback on the list from Hallvord re: usage of the key property.
  167. # [21:24] <Travis> smaug: Should show [more] examples of usage of KeyboardEvent.key
  168. # [21:25] <Travis> May also want to remove the quotes from the unicode strings. E.g., '\u0009' should just be \u0009
  169. # [21:25] <Travis> Topic: Next Telecon
  170. # [21:26] <Travis> shepazu: I've got a lot going on, and won't have time to host a telecon for the next two weeks.
  171. # [21:27] <Travis> ... Please send feedback to the list as they come. The spec probably won't change much.
  172. # [21:28] <Zakim> -Olli_Pettay
  173. # [21:40] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  174. # [21:40] <Zakim> -Shepazu
  175. # [21:40] <Zakim> IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM has ended
  176. # [21:40] <Zakim> Attendees were [Microsoft], Shepazu, Olli_Pettay
  177. # [21:43] <shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
  178. # [21:43] * trackbot is ending a teleconference
  179. # [21:43] <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
  180. # [21:43] <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
  181. # [21:43] <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
  182. # [21:43] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-webapps-minutes.html trackbot
  183. # [21:43] <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
  184. # [21:43] <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-webapps-actions.rdf :
  185. # [21:43] <RRSAgent> ACTION: shepazu to note to authors that dead-key support may not be available in some operating systems. [1]
  186. # [21:43] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-webapps-irc#T19-37-21
  187. # [21:43] <RRSAgent> ACTION: shepazu to clarify that key named key values (from sectoin 6.2.7) are not to be localized. [2]
  188. # [21:43] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-webapps-irc#T19-57-13
  189. # [21:43] <RRSAgent> ACTION: shepazu to add a Calculator key to the named key values list. [3]
  190. # [21:43] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-webapps-irc#T19-59-52
  191. # [21:43] <RRSAgent> ACTION: Travis to discuss the process for getting a key value and any peripheral composition event simulation necessary. [4]
  192. # [21:43] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-webapps-irc#T20-09-32
  193. # [21:43] <RRSAgent> ACTION: smaug to uncover for GTK whether compositionstart can be cancelable. [5]
  194. # [21:43] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-webapps-irc#T20-11-56
  195. # [21:43] <RRSAgent> ACTION: shepazu Cite examples of when keys might be from DOM_KEY_LOCATION_MOBILE. [6]
  196. # [21:43] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-webapps-irc#T20-19-56
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