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  74. # [20:04] <shepazu> trackbot, start telcon
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  77. # [20:04] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/04/14-webapps-irc
  78. # [20:04] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  79. # [20:04] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  80. # [20:04] * Joins: Zakim (rrs-bridgg@128.30.52.169)
  81. # [20:04] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DOM3
  82. # [20:04] <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
  83. # [20:04] <trackbot> Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
  84. # [20:04] <trackbot> Date: 14 April 2010
  85. # [20:04] * shepazu zakim, call shepazu
  86. # [20:04] * Zakim ok, shepazu; the call is being made
  87. # [20:04] <Zakim> IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM has now started
  88. # [20:04] <Zakim> +Shepazu
  89. # [20:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  90. # [20:05] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  91. # [20:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  92. # [20:05] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
  93. # [20:05] <smaug_> Zakim, [IPcaller] is Olli_Pettay
  94. # [20:05] <Zakim> +Olli_Pettay; got it
  95. # [20:05] * Joins: Travis (836b0055@128.30.52.43)
  96. # [20:07] <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html
  97. # [20:07] <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html
  98. # [20:13] <smaug_> scribe, smaug_
  99. # [20:14] <shepazu> scribenick: smaug_
  100. # [20:15] <smaug_> Travis: going through issues
  101. # [20:15] <smaug_> Travis: there is still magnify event
  102. # [20:17] <smaug_> shepazu: we should clarify focused and active element
  103. # [20:18] <smaug_> Travis: it all depends on whether the browser is focused or no
  104. # [20:19] <smaug> testing
  105. # [20:19] <smaug> scribenick, smaug
  106. # [20:19] <smaug> scribenick: smaug
  107. # [20:21] <smaug> shepazu: I'm not quite sure whether relatedTarget should be null in some cases in FocusEvent.relatedTarget
  108. # [20:22] <smaug> Travis: this is about the security issue focusing iframe for example
  109. # [20:22] <smaug> Travis: or if relatedTarget comes anywhere outside the document
  110. # [20:23] <smaug> shepazu: writing email to the mailing about relatedTarget
  111. # [20:24] <smaug> shepazu: I took magnify out of the spec
  112. # [20:26] <shepazu> Topic: registering events on nodes
  113. # [20:26] <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#interface-EventTarget
  114. # [20:27] <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#example-mousemove-click
  115. # [20:29] <smaug> shepazu: the latter link points to example which isn't quite right
  116. # [20:29] <smaug> Travis: you can't register something unless it is eventtarget
  117. # [20:31] <smaug> Travis: trusted (implementation) mouse events fire only on elements
  118. # [20:31] <smaug> Travis: but scripts may create mouse events and fire them on text nodes
  119. # [20:32] <smaug> smaug: so remove "text nodes cannot be registered as event listeners"
  120. # [20:33] <smaug> Travis: in the big blue table, those proximal event target types are for the "trusted events"
  121. # [20:33] <Travis> trusted of type boolean, readonly, introduced in DOM Level 3
  122. # [20:33] <Travis> Used to indicate whether this event was generated by the user agent (trusted) or by script (untrusted). See trusted events for more details.
  123. # [20:38] <smaug> shepazu: should I define hysteresis
  124. # [20:38] <smaug> Travis: yeah
  125. # [20:40] <shepazu> define different headers in the List of DOM3 Event Types (esp. Tursted Proximal event target types)
  126. # [20:41] <Travis> s/Tursted/Trusted/
  127. # [20:42] <shepazu> also, explain in eventListener interface that though every node typ can be an event target, different event types can only be registered and have as targets specific node types
  128. # [20:43] <shepazu> s/ifferent event types/ifferent trusted event types
  129. # [20:47] <smaug> Travis: about compositionend
  130. # [20:47] <smaug> Travis: it is currently cancelable
  131. # [20:48] <smaug> Travis: if it is cancelled textInput isn't fired
  132. # [20:49] <smaug> Travis: in our implementation compositionend fires in few different cases: user commits the composition, or if IME looses focus etc
  133. # [20:50] <smaug> Travis: so IME tells when it is "done" and we fire compositionend
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  135. # [20:51] <smaug> Travis: the feedback I had, cancelling compositionend cannot "undo" composition
  136. # [20:54] <smaug> smaug: cancelling textInput doesn't make
  137. # [21:01] <smaug> Travis: if you have textInput listener, you can always know the previous value
  138. # [21:01] <smaug> smaug: just store the old value somewhere
  139. # [21:02] <smaug> shepazu: no sense to have textInput cancelable
  140. # [21:02] <smaug> smaug: make it non-cancelable
  141. # [21:02] <smaug> Travis & shepazu yep
  142. # [21:04] <smaug> Travis: cancelling compositionend doesn't prevent textInput from firing
  143. # [21:05] <smaug> i.e. doesn't undo the composition
  144. # [21:05] <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#event-type-compositionend
  145. # [21:06] <smaug> Travis: currently only compositionstart is effectively cancelable
  146. # [21:08] <smaug> Topic: publish a working draft
  147. # [21:09] <smaug> shepazu: for next week I'll try to get rid of as many issues as possible
  148. # [21:09] <smaug> shepazu: then we'll publish
  149. # [21:10] <smaug> resolution: publish new DOM 3 Events working draft
  150. # [21:11] * ArtB wonders if this D3E WD is a LC?
  151. # [21:12] <smaug> ArtB: I would get not yet LC
  152. # [21:12] <smaug> er
  153. # [21:12] <smaug> guess
  154. # [21:13] <smaug> shepazu: once again I mentioned to XForms wg about DOMActivate that they haven't sent all the feedback
  155. # [21:13] * ArtB isn't pressuring you smaug, just looking for clarification; thanks Olli!
  156. # [21:16] <smaug> shepazu: I'd like to have LC before mid May
  157. # [21:21] <Zakim> -Olli_Pettay
  158. # [21:21] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  159. # [21:21] <Zakim> -Shepazu
  160. # [21:21] <Zakim> IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM has ended
  161. # [21:21] <Zakim> Attendees were Shepazu, [Microsoft], Olli_Pettay
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  163. # [21:26] <shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
  164. # [21:26] * trackbot is ending a teleconference
  165. # [21:26] <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
  166. # [21:26] <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
  167. # [21:27] <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
  168. # [21:27] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/04/14-webapps-minutes.html trackbot
  169. # [21:27] <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
  170. # [21:27] <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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