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  7. # [02:26] <dandaman> not sure if im in the right channel again, let me know if i'm not, but anyone know if there is a way to see an error console of a webapp i'm testing on my phone?
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  76. # [19:01] <shepazu> zakim, room for 3?
  77. # [19:02] <Zakim> ok, shepazu; conference Team_(webapps)16:59Z scheduled with code 26632 (CONF2) for 60 minutes until 1759Z
  78. # [19:02] * shepazu zakim, call shepazu
  79. # [19:02] * Zakim ok, shepazu; the call is being made
  80. # [19:02] <Zakim> Team_(webapps)16:59Z has now started
  81. # [19:02] <Zakim> +Shepazu
  82. # [19:02] <shepazu> zakim, this will be DOM3
  83. # [19:02] <Zakim> ok, shepazu; I see IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM scheduled to start in 60 minutes
  84. # [19:02] <smaug> about to call in
  85. # [19:03] * shepazu Travis, smaug, note the new code
  86. # [19:05] <Travis> scribe: Travis
  87. # [19:05] <Travis> scribeNick: Traivs
  88. # [19:05] <Travis> scribeNick: Travis
  89. # [19:05] <Travis> Topic: Keyboard Events changes
  90. # [19:06] <shepazu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2010JulSep/0035.html
  91. # [19:07] <Travis> Email notes dead keys support in Safari
  92. # [19:08] <shepazu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2009OctDec/0131.html
  93. # [19:08] <Travis> Was a proposal to split key property into "key" and "char"
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  96. # [19:11] <Travis> shepazu: currently 'key' (and proposed 'char') only return the modified value (after all keyboard processing)
  97. # [19:12] <Travis> A suggestion came in to have a way to get the unmodified value.
  98. # [19:13] <Travis> Some examples of this might be:
  99. # [19:13] <Travis> press the key labelled SHIFT + 'A' = 'A' (modified), 'a' (unmodified)
  100. # [19:15] <shepazu> OPTION+u, then o = ö (modified), o (unmodified)
  101. # [19:16] <shepazu> (dead key example)
  102. # [19:16] <smaug> (ö would be unmodified when using Finnish keyboard ;) )
  103. # [19:16] <smaug> äöå
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  105. # [19:17] <Travis> Problem may be that from OS to OS and from keyboard layout to keyboard layout, the unmodified keys vary.
  106. # [19:18] <Travis> It may be hard for an implementation (that works across OS) to gaurantee consistency.
  107. # [19:18] <Travis> May not be very consistent for web developers.
  108. # [19:19] <Travis> Because the consistency can't be gauranteed, we don't believe its good for developers in the long term.
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  110. # [19:19] <Travis> RESOLUTION: keyCode and charCode will be the unmodified key values.
  111. # [19:20] <Travis> Q is, do we want an 'unmodKey' or something similar?
  112. # [19:22] <Travis> Travis: I hesitate to add this because we dont' yet know if the impact of 'key'; I'd rather address this in a future version of the spec if necessary.
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  118. # [19:27] <Travis> ACTION: shepazu to add keyCode to the spec to inform implements that it should be implemented for legacy reasons along with note that the values may be inconsistent.
  119. # [19:27] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  120. # [19:27] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - shepazu
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  123. # [19:29] <Travis> Hello?
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  127. # [19:38] <smaug> event.key == "\t" vs. event.key == "Tab"
  128. # [19:39] <shepazu> http://www.robelle.com/smugbook/ascii.html
  129. # [19:51] <Travis> shepazu: I will re-work the key list so that we have less ambiguity in the list between what 'key' returns and what 'char' returns (when char is added).
  130. # [20:05] <Travis> Topic: DOMCharacterDataModified::prevValue
  131. # [20:06] <Travis> Travis: In my investigations browsers didn't provide this value.
  132. # [20:07] <smaug> I'll test DOMCharacterDataModified
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  135. # [20:09] <Travis> IE9 previews support this, but we're planning to pull it out.
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  138. # [20:16] <Travis> Topic: input/keyboard locale additions...
  139. # [20:17] <Travis> We all recall discussing this previously.
  140. # [20:17] <Travis> These are good ideas (a keyboard language state)... but we really need to lock this spec down.
  141. # [20:19] <Travis> shepazu: I can see some of these feature being added to a new input state spec...
  142. # [20:19] <Travis> ... might include what are the active mouse buttons, what are the active keyboard keys, what's the current language.
  143. # [20:19] <Travis> ... etc.
  144. # [20:21] <Travis> Travis: We should not add this stuff now. We should lock down the spec.
  145. # [20:21] <Travis> Topic: next steps toward last call...
  146. # [20:22] <Travis> shepazu: will wait for feedback from Olli about "prevValue"
  147. # [20:22] <Travis> ... make changes to bring NodeInsertedIntoDocument inline with NodeInserted (same for *removed)
  148. # [20:22] <Travis> ... Add event sequence diagrams to the spec.
  149. # [20:23] <Travis> ... add 'char' key and re-vamp key values list.
  150. # [20:23] <Travis> ... (plus straighten out the precidence paragraph)
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  154. # [20:26] <dandaman> shepazu: you ever use extjs?
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  157. # [20:36] <shepazu> dandaman: nope
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  164. # [21:17] <dandaman> shepazu: any phonegap demo websites you know of that i could look at, havent seen any on their website
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