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  47. # [15:05] <ArtB> Topic: Review and tweak agenda
  48. # [15:05] <ArtB> AB: the draft agenda was posted yesterday ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/0447.html ). The two specs on the agenda are Widget Interface and the Widget URI scheme. Any change requests?
  49. # [15:05] <ArtB> RT: I would like to talk about Widget Updates spec
  50. # [15:05] <ArtB> AB: ok, will add that to the end of the meeting
  51. # [15:06] <ArtB> Topic: Announcements
  52. # [15:06] <ArtB> AB: any short announcements today?
  53. # [15:06] <ArtB> Topic: TWI spec: Action-568
  54. # [15:06] <ArtB> AB: earlier this week discussion on openURL removal continued ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JulSep/0394.html )
  55. # [15:07] <ArtB> AB: Bryan Sullivan had some comments
  56. # [15:07] <ArtB> ... I was hoping Bryan would join today but he hasn't
  57. # [15:07] <ArtB> AB: I believe Marcos position is very clear
  58. # [15:07] <ArtB> ... he wants it removed from the spec
  59. # [15:08] <ArtB> RB: as far as I am concerned, agree it is useful
  60. # [15:08] <ArtB> ... but it is also problematic
  61. # [15:08] <ArtB> ... Think it should be solved somewhere else
  62. # [15:08] <ArtB> RT: yes, there is a complexity issue here
  63. # [15:08] <ArtB> ... so I agree with Marcos and Robin
  64. # [15:09] <ArtB> RB: if we remove it, we should be able to go straight to REC
  65. # [15:09] <ArtB> AB: we could go to PR but not REC because of some dependency issues
  66. # [15:09] <ArtB> RB: dependency on HTML5?
  67. # [15:09] <ArtB> AB: yes that is one
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  70. # [15:10] <ArtB> AB: I also tend to agree with the arguments to remove the functionality
  71. # [15:10] <ArtB> ... and defer to some other spec for equivalent functionality
  72. # [15:11] <ArtB> AB: I'll start an explict CfC about removing this method from the spec
  73. # [15:11] <darobin> +1
  74. # [15:11] <ArtB> ... I'd like to make sure everyone has an opportunity to state their position
  75. # [15:11] <richt> yep, sounds good
  76. # [15:11] <ArtB> ACTION: barstow start a CfC about openURL and Action-568
  77. # [15:11] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  78. # [15:11] <trackbot> Created ACTION-569 - Start a CfC about openURL and Action-568 [on Arthur Barstow - due 2010-08-19].
  79. # [15:11] <ArtB> AB: anything else on that topic for today?
  80. # [15:12] <ArtB> [ No ]
  81. # [15:12] <ArtB> Topic: URI Scheme spec
  82. # [15:12] * Parts: manu (chatzilla@96.240.167.183)
  83. # [15:12] <ArtB> AB: it has been a while since we discussed the widget: scheme spec ( http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2006/waf/widgets-uri/ )
  84. # [15:12] <ArtB> AB: what's the status and plan?
  85. # [15:12] <ArtB> RB: I still need to address some issues
  86. # [15:12] <ArtB> ... I plan to make it a priority
  87. # [15:13] <ArtB> ... hope to finish by the end of the month
  88. # [15:13] <ArtB> ... I know the action items
  89. # [15:13] <ArtB> AB: ok, great
  90. # [15:14] * richt nothing to report on that point
  91. # [15:14] <ArtB> AB: does anyone have any implementation status for this spec?
  92. # [15:14] <ArtB> RB: I found it easy to implement
  93. # [15:14] <ArtB> AB: the spec says authors shouldn't use this scheme
  94. # [15:14] <ArtB> ... so what's the use case
  95. # [15:15] <ArtB> RB: when using the DOM, need to determine an absolute URI
  96. # [15:15] <ArtB> ... so impls need it
  97. # [15:15] <ArtB> ... it could also to lead to security hole if an implementor was to use something like a file: URI
  98. # [15:15] <ArtB> ... at runtime it is needed
  99. # [15:15] <ArtB> ... e.g. to reuse a web runtime engine
  100. # [15:16] <richt> It's a very useful spec and I believe we require it for impl. down the line.
  101. # [15:16] <richt> ...at Opera
  102. # [15:16] <ArtB> AB: anything else on that spec?
  103. # [15:16] <ArtB> RT: we use it for some projects
  104. # [15:16] <ArtB> ... good to get rid of the file: issue
  105. # [15:17] <ArtB> Topic: Widget Updates spec
  106. # [15:17] <richt> widgets updates: http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-updates/
  107. # [15:17] * richt :-)
  108. # [15:17] <ArtB> RT: I've been working with Marcos on this spec
  109. # [15:17] <ArtB> ... clarified update description
  110. # [15:18] <ArtB> ... started an alogorithm to do the update
  111. # [15:18] <ArtB> ... would like to get some feedback
  112. # [15:18] <ArtB> AB: I haven't looked at the changes
  113. # [15:18] <ArtB> RB: same here although I will do so shortly
  114. # [15:19] <ArtB> RT: addresses comparing signatures for the installed widget and the update widget
  115. # [15:19] <ArtB> ... so please do take a look
  116. # [15:19] <ArtB> AB: to get broader review, it often helps to publish a new version
  117. # [15:20] <ArtB> AB: when will it be ready for a new pub?
  118. # [15:20] <ArtB> RT: I have another couple of weeks of work to do before it is ready
  119. # [15:20] <ArtB> AB: ok, that sounds good
  120. # [15:20] <richt> I want to clarify the Verification Process as it is largely just a placeholder at present
  121. # [15:21] <ArtB> AB: perhaps we can put it on the agenda for the next call which is probably in 2 weeks
  122. # [15:21] <ArtB> RT: any feedback now would be good
  123. # [15:21] <ArtB> AB: I'll ask for internal review
  124. # [15:22] <ArtB> AB: are there some existing protocols this functionality could be layered on?
  125. # [15:22] <ArtB> ... e.g. the DM stuff from OMA
  126. # [15:23] <ArtB> RT: yes, there is some existing work to consider
  127. # [15:23] <ArtB> ... if you have related feedback, that would be useful
  128. # [15:25] <ArtB> AB: anything else on Updates spec for today?
  129. # [15:25] <ArtB> RT: not from me
  130. # [15:25] <ArtB> Topic: AoB
  131. # [15:25] <ArtB> AB: anything else for today?
  132. # [15:25] <ArtB> AB: the bulk of the remaining work for the widget specs is test cases
  133. # [15:26] <ArtB> ... and it is great to see that Opera is contributing in that area
  134. # [15:26] <ArtB> ... e.g. DigSig tests and WARP tests
  135. # [15:27] <ArtB> AB: next call will be August 26 if there is something to discuss otherwise, September 2
  136. # [15:27] <ArtB> AB: let's continue to use public-webapps so that we can eliminate and/or shorten our voice conferences
  137. # [15:27] <ArtB> AB: meeting adjourned
  138. # [15:28] <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
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  161. # [22:27] <smaug> shepazu: was my test enough
  162. # [22:27] <smaug> shepazu: at least it shows that prevValue is implemented
  163. # [22:28] <shepazu> smaug: yes, now we need to decide what to do :(
  164. # [22:28] <shepazu> make it a must, should, or may?
  165. # [22:28] <smaug> whatever newValue has
  166. # [22:28] <smaug> I still don't understand why it is slow for IE9
  167. # [22:28] <shepazu> I don't either
  168. # [22:29] <shepazu> that makes no sense to me
  169. # [22:29] <smaug> it is basically "take reference to old value, modify the node value, dispatch event with old and new value"
  170. # [22:30] <smaug> and if there are no mutation event listeners, no need to take old value nor dispatch the event
  171. # [22:31] <shepazu> right
  172. # [22:32] <shepazu> and the ref to prevValue can just be a pointer, no need to carry the entire message
  173. # [22:32] <shepazu> and you can wipe it immediately after
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