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  84. # [18:19] * Topic is 'WebApps, Web Notifications'
  85. # [18:19] * Set by ArtB on Tue Oct 26 12:53:25
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  90. # [19:07] <smaug_> do we have the meeting today?
  91. # [19:07] * smaug_ could wait a bit
  92. # [19:07] <jrossi> I believe so.
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  94. # [19:07] <jrossi> Trying to call in but having technical difficulties
  95. # [19:08] <jrossi> is it not 617-761-6200?
  96. # [19:10] <smaug_> it should be that
  97. # [19:10] <jrossi> "the conference is restriced at this time"
  98. # [19:10] <jrossi> 3663?
  99. # [19:10] <smaug_> no
  100. # [19:10] <smaug_> what was it...
  101. # [19:10] * smaug_ tries to call once he remembers the conf code
  102. # [19:11] <smaug_> shepazu: ?
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  105. # [19:13] <jrossi> hi shepazu, what's the conf code?
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  107. # [19:15] * shepazu_ zakim, call shepazu
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  110. # [19:15] <shepazu> hey, jrossi, setting up a call now
  111. # [19:15] <shepazu> trackbot, start telcon
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  114. # [19:15] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/10/27-webapps-irc
  115. # [19:15] <shepazu> wtf?
  116. # [19:15] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  117. # [19:15] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  118. # [19:15] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DOM3
  119. # [19:15] <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM scheduled to start in 48 minutes
  120. # [19:15] <trackbot> Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
  121. # [19:15] <trackbot> Date: 27 October 2010
  122. # [19:16] <shepazu> Zakim, room for 4?
  123. # [19:16] <Zakim> ok, shepazu; conference Team_(webapps)17:13Z scheduled with code 26632 (CONF2) for 60 minutes until 1813Z
  124. # [19:16] * shepazu Zakim, call shepazu
  125. # [19:16] * Zakim ok, shepazu; the call is being made
  126. # [19:16] <Zakim> Team_(webapps)17:13Z has now started
  127. # [19:16] <Zakim> +Shepazu
  128. # [19:17] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
  129. # [19:17] <smaug_> Zakim, [IPcaller] is Olli_Pettay
  130. # [19:17] <Zakim> +Olli_Pettay; got it
  131. # [19:18] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  132. # [19:19] <shepazu> Agenda: discussing LC comments
  133. # [19:19] <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/products/2
  134. # [19:20] <shepazu> scribeNick: jrossi
  135. # [19:20] <shepazu> chair: shepazu
  136. # [19:24] <shepazu> ISSUE-134?
  137. # [19:24] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-134
  138. # [19:24] <trackbot> ISSUE-134 -- Consider making useCapture parameter of add/removeEventListener optional -- raised
  139. # [19:24] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/134
  140. # [19:25] <jrossi> topic: ISSUE 134: Consider making useCapture parameter optional
  141. # [19:26] <jrossi> smaug_: not sure if webidl allows this
  142. # [19:26] <jrossi> smaug_: if webidl already defines that it's ok to not use all the parameters, and if it defines what the default value is those cases then we dont need to care about this case at all
  143. # [19:27] <jrossi> smaug_: i dont like making it optional, but if webidl does that then i dont argue against that
  144. # [19:27] <jrossi> shepazu: right now we're not using webidl
  145. # [19:27] <jrossi> smaug_: but if browsers implement it using webidl, and more than just idl syntax
  146. # [19:28] <jrossi> shepazu: if webidl allows calling native methods with fewer params than specified, then it probably defines the default values
  147. # [19:29] <jrossi> last comment was smaug_
  148. # [19:30] <shepazu> s/shepazu:/smaug_:/
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  150. # [19:32] <jrossi> jrossi: provided webidl allows optional parameters and that we can specify useCapture's default to be false, we don't have a problem with it either way
  151. # [19:33] <jrossi> smaug_: a little worried that people will understand only part of dom3 events if it is left optional
  152. # [19:35] <jrossi> shepazu: most people may never need it and so understanding is not necessary
  153. # [19:36] <jrossi> jrossi: isn't this not backwards compatibile for other browsers?
  154. # [19:36] <jrossi> smaug_: yes
  155. # [19:36] <jrossi> shepazu: older browsers won't have new events and such either
  156. # [19:37] <jrossi> shepazu: IE before 9 didn't allow it, so there's no question there (IE6-8). Firefox/Safari/Opera/Chrome are all really aggressive about pushing updates.
  157. # [19:38] <jrossi> shepazu: better to have the default that's the proper default rather than screw up people who use true/false without understanding it
  158. # [19:40] <jrossi> shepazu: first let's look into what webidl says about this and if this is an option, if this is an available option there then we'll go ahead and make this change
  159. # [19:40] <jrossi> Resolution: accepted. will look at webidl for this
  160. # [19:48] <shepazu> ISSUE-146?
  161. # [19:48] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-146
  162. # [19:48] <trackbot> ISSUE-146 -- Capture-phase listeners invoked on targets -- raised
  163. # [19:48] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/146
  164. # [19:48] <smaug_> useCapture of type boolean
  165. # [19:48] <smaug_> If true, useCapture indicates that the user wishes to add the event listener for the capture phase and target only, i.e. this event listener will not be triggered during the bubbling phase. If false, the event listener must only be triggered during the target and bubbling phases.
  166. # [19:50] <jrossi> smaug_: once gecko implemented this, people were relying on it
  167. # [19:50] <jrossi> RESOLUTION: Point out wording in spec to commentor.
  168. # [19:51] <shepazu> "Event listeners registered for this phase must handle the event once it has reached its target."
  169. # [19:52] <jrossi> jrossi: perhaps in section 3.1 you could clarify by saying event listeners registered for either capture or bubble
  170. # [19:52] <jrossi> jrossi: since you can't explicitly register for target phase
  171. # [19:53] <jrossi> RESOLUTION: fix section 3.1 for issue 146
  172. # [19:55] <shepazu> issue-153?
  173. # [19:55] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-153
  174. # [19:55] <trackbot> ISSUE-153 -- Converting wheel events to mousewheel and DOMMouseScroll -- raised
  175. # [19:55] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/153
  176. # [19:55] <jrossi> smaug_: consider making this part non-normative
  177. # [19:56] <jrossi> shepazu: absolutely right. also correct the errors!
  178. # [19:58] <jrossi> RESOLUTION: make non-normative and correct the errors
  179. # [20:02] <shepazu> issue-171?
  180. # [20:02] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-171
  181. # [20:02] <trackbot> ISSUE-171 -- Consider removing Event.timeStamp value 0 -- raised
  182. # [20:02] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/171
  183. # [20:04] <jrossi> RESOLUTION: accept the comments pending further discussion
  184. # [20:04] <shepazu> issue-172?
  185. # [20:04] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-172
  186. # [20:04] <trackbot> ISSUE-172 -- Fix Event.timeStamp -- raised
  187. # [20:04] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/172
  188. # [20:05] <jrossi> smaug_: in script libraries, you probably call the init method right after createEvent
  189. # [20:05] <jrossi> smaug_: the time will probably be the same
  190. # [20:06] <jrossi> smaug_: if you even care about timestamp
  191. # [20:06] <jrossi> jrossi: agrees
  192. # [20:09] <jrossi> jrossi: don't know how you can "guess when the event will really occur" as Boris says
  193. # [20:09] <jrossi> jrossi: doesn't have precognitive abilities
  194. # [20:11] <jrossi> shepazu: he also says milliseconds since epoch might not be accurate
  195. # [20:12] <jrossi> jrossi: almost all timestamps (for other environments, such as server side) are allowed to be sec since epoch
  196. # [20:12] <jrossi> jrossi: so it might be useful for event timestamps to align with those systems
  197. # [20:12] <jrossi> shepazu: might be useful for animation to have these be more accurate
  198. # [20:13] <jrossi> smaug_: yes, but that might be something different
  199. # [20:13] <jrossi> jrossi: agrees
  200. # [20:15] <jrossi> shepazu: im happy to change it if there's a more concrete proposal
  201. # [20:15] <jrossi> shepazu: but not sure exactly what we'd do here
  202. # [20:15] <jrossi> RESOLUTION: going to keep it as epoch pending further discussion
  203. # [20:17] <shepazu> issue-147?
  204. # [20:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-147
  205. # [20:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-147 -- re-dispatching an event that already has its flow started -- raised
  206. # [20:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/147
  207. # [20:18] <jrossi> smaug_: shouldn't be possible
  208. # [20:18] <jrossi> smaug_: it would cause problems, for example, related to istrusted property
  209. # [20:20] <jrossi> RESOLUTION: clarify that it is not possible
  210. # [20:25] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  211. # [20:25] <Zakim> -Olli_Pettay
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  213. # [20:26] <Zakim> -Shepazu
  214. # [20:26] <shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
  215. # [20:26] * trackbot is ending a teleconference
  216. # [20:26] <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
  217. # [20:26] <Zakim> Team_(webapps)17:13Z has ended
  218. # [20:26] <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
  219. # [20:26] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/10/27-webapps-minutes.html trackbot
  220. # [20:26] <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
  221. # [20:26] <Zakim> Attendees were Shepazu, Olli_Pettay, [Microsoft]
  222. # [20:26] <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
  223. # [20:26] <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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