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  94. # [19:04] <jrossi> "DOM3"?
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  96. # [19:05] <shepazu> trackbot, start telcon
  97. # [19:05] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
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  99. # [19:05] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/12/01-webapps-irc
  100. # [19:05] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  101. # [19:05] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  103. # [19:05] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DOM3
  104. # [19:05] <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM scheduled to start in 58 minutes
  105. # [19:05] <trackbot> Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
  106. # [19:05] <trackbot> Date: 01 December 2010
  107. # [19:05] * shepazu sighs
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  109. # [19:06] * shepazu Zakim, room for 5?
  110. # [19:06] <Zakim> ok, shepazu; conference Team_(webapps)18:02Z scheduled with code 26632 (CONF2) for 60 minutes until 1902Z
  111. # [19:06] * shepazu zakim, call shepazu
  112. # [19:06] * Zakim ok, shepazu; the call is being made
  113. # [19:06] <Zakim> Team_(webapps)18:02Z has now started
  114. # [19:06] <Zakim> +Shepazu
  115. # [19:06] * Travis hmmmm
  116. # [19:07] * Travis how fun!
  117. # [19:07] <Zakim> +??P0
  118. # [19:07] <Zakim> -??P0
  119. # [19:07] <Zakim> +??P0
  120. # [19:07] <shepazu> jrossi, Travis, smaug_, code is 26632
  121. # [19:07] <smaug_> Zakim, ??P0 is Olli_Pettay
  122. # [19:07] <Zakim> +Olli_Pettay; got it
  123. # [19:07] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  124. # [19:07] <Travis> Zakim: [microsoft] is Travis
  125. # [19:08] <Travis> Zakim [microsoft] is Travis
  126. # [19:08] <smaug_> Zakim, [Microsoft] is Travis
  127. # [19:08] <Zakim> +Travis; got it
  128. # [19:10] <Travis> shepazu: Let's talk larger scope...
  129. # [19:11] <Travis> ... start 2nd last call in Jan?
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  131. # [19:12] <Travis> ... not expecting large changes coming other than issues raised
  132. # [19:12] <smaug_> hmm
  133. # [19:12] <smaug_> connection problems
  134. # [19:13] <smaug_> now, back
  135. # [19:13] <Travis> ... should have a story around mutation events (where they will be)
  136. # [19:16] <Travis> ... should try to have a FPWD of new mutation events spec ready to point to
  137. # [19:16] <Travis> https://github.com/jeresig/nodelist
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  139. # [19:19] <Travis> see ".added(function), .removed( function)"
  140. # [19:24] <Travis> RESOLUTION: Contact JResig for using NodeList as a replacement for mutation events (to get it on a W3C standards track).
  141. # [19:26] <Travis> smaug_: We should ensure that DOMCharacterDataModified scenarios are handled as they are one of the most important.
  142. # [19:27] <Travis> shepazu: It might be that not all scenarios for mutation events fit into the same mold; we shouldn't feel like they must all fit.
  143. # [19:31] <Travis> scribe: Travis
  144. # [19:31] <Travis> scribeNick: Travis
  145. # [19:31] <Travis> shepazu: We've now started working on the Web Events WG.
  146. # [19:31] <Travis> ... will cover both touch events and "high level" events.
  147. # [19:31] <Travis> ... will likely resurrect "activate" in such a "high level" spec.
  148. # [19:32] <Travis> ... realizes that not all browser vendors can join this group at this time.
  149. # [19:32] <Travis> ... all browsers _are_ in the PF WG, so looking to have "high level" event spec as a joint-delieverable.
  150. # [19:34] <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Group/Drafts/1.1/intent-based-events.html
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  152. # [19:36] <Travis> Topic: Back to DOM L3 Events
  153. # [19:36] <Travis> shepazu: Making some prose updates to unify info on keyboard events
  154. # [19:38] <Travis> ... Up next: integrating keyboard language info
  155. # [19:41] <Travis> jrossi: We'd like to focus on the keyboard language property and "3rd parameter to addEventListener being optional"
  156. # [19:41] <smaug_> let me try to re-call
  157. # [19:41] <Zakim> -Olli_Pettay
  158. # [19:42] <Zakim> +??P0
  159. # [19:43] <Travis> jrossi: IE9 updated to make this 3rd parameter optional, in part due to some sites not providing the parameter.
  160. # [19:43] <smaug_> Zakim, ??P0 is Olli_Pettay
  161. # [19:43] <Zakim> +Olli_Pettay; got it
  162. # [19:44] <Travis> smaug_: Apparently this was a bug in chrome that is now relied on in actual web pages :(
  163. # [19:44] <Travis> shepazu: I don't have a strong opinion either way
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  165. # [19:46] <Travis> smaug_: I don't really like it, but its OK to make it optional.
  166. # [19:46] <Travis> RESOLUTION: make the 3rd parameter to addEventListener/removeEventListener optional
  167. # [19:50] <Travis> shepazu: smaug_ what are your priorities?
  168. # [19:50] <Zakim> -Olli_Pettay
  169. # [19:51] <Travis> smaug_: Nothing is high priority as FF4 won't have many of these spec updates in it.
  170. # [19:51] <Travis> shepazu: Else from MS?
  171. # [19:51] <Travis> jrossi: Yes, we have a suggestion on keyboard locale info.
  172. # [19:51] <smaug_> great
  173. # [19:51] <smaug_> and sorry
  174. # [19:51] <Travis> ... We're OK putting a property on an event, and skipping the static property.
  175. # [19:51] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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  177. # [19:52] <Travis> ... For TextInput event, we're not sure we can identify an input locale for the various input types that are possible.
  178. # [19:52] <smaug_> Zakim, [IPcaller] is Olli_Pettay
  179. # [19:52] <Zakim> +Olli_Pettay; got it
  180. # [19:52] <Travis> ... We recommend moving the property from TextInput to CompositionEvent
  181. # [19:53] <Travis> ... Pasted content (for example) could have content from multiple locales in it.
  182. # [19:54] <Travis> shepazu: We could put it in all three...
  183. # [19:55] <Travis> ... It's an implementation problem-- 3 implementations across mutliple OS's might not be able to support it.
  184. # [19:55] <Travis> smaug_: Could we have KeyboardEvent and CompositionEvent have the property?
  185. # [19:56] <Travis> shepazu: Your argument makes sense
  186. # [19:56] <Travis> ... We don't know of OS's that support it [identifying locale information for random text input]
  187. # [19:57] <Travis> ... OK. Seems compelling to me. Esp.
  188. # [19:57] <Travis> RESOLUTION: Add "inputlocale" to KeyboardEvent and CompositionEvent (but not TextInput)
  189. # [19:58] <Travis> jrossi: How about simply "locale"?
  190. # [19:58] <Travis> ... (It's simpler)
  191. # [19:58] <Travis> shepazu: OK.
  192. # [19:59] <smaug_> ok, my network connection is too bad to use
  193. # [19:59] <smaug_> now it is working again
  194. # [19:59] <Travis> smaug_: TextInput has "inputMethod", we could have "inputLocale" to be consistent.
  195. # [20:00] * Travis thinks we should lock this down now.
  196. # [20:00] * smaug_ likes inputLocale
  197. # [20:00] <Travis> shepazu: Will Microsoft send their comment to the list in response to this thread?
  198. # [20:00] <Travis> jrossi: Yes, will do.
  199. # [20:01] <Zakim> -Olli_Pettay
  200. # [20:02] <Travis> Travis: Where are we on LC comments?
  201. # [20:02] <smaug_> call dropped
  202. # [20:02] * smaug_ should not rely on 3G connection
  203. # [20:02] <smaug_> if there is still anything else, please ping me
  204. # [20:03] <Travis> shepazu: Prior to TPAC we reviewed the list; I don't think we have a lot of new issues.
  205. # [20:05] <Travis> Travis: RAISED=44, OPEN=7, PENDINGREVIEW=1
  206. # [20:06] <Travis> ... 112 CLOSED
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  208. # [20:10] <Travis> shepazu: Oh, one more thing (to talk about next week)...
  209. # [20:11] <Travis> ... keyCode/charCode/which
  210. # [20:14] <Travis> shepazu: Until next week!
  211. # [20:14] <Travis> ... send any related documentation my way
  212. # [20:14] <Zakim> -Travis
  213. # [20:15] <Travis> ... jrossi, please send the inputLocal mail.
  214. # [20:15] <Travis> Bye!
  215. # [20:15] <Zakim> -Shepazu
  216. # [20:15] <Zakim> Team_(webapps)18:02Z has ended
  217. # [20:15] <Zakim> Attendees were Shepazu, Olli_Pettay, Travis
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  224. # [21:07] * timeless_mbp owes shepazu an email about that spec
  225. # [21:08] * timeless_mbp never got around to finishing the review :(
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  229. # [21:10] <shepazu> timeless_mbp: if you want to see any changes, you should send the review right away
  230. # [21:11] <timeless_mbp> shepazu: it'll have to be thursday or sunday, my day is almost over and i have a telcall at 12:30am + two other work items which i needed to do this week :(
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