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  1. # Session Start: Wed Dec 08 17:40:00 2010
  2. # Session Ident: #webapps
  3. # [17:40] * Now talking in #webapps
  4. # [17:40] * Topic is 'WebApps WG; this channel is logged @ http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
  5. # [17:40] * Set by ArtB on Thu Nov 04 08:37:55
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  14. # [19:03] <shepazu> Zakim, room for 4?
  15. # [19:03] <Zakim> ok, shepazu; conference Team_(webapps)18:00Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 60 minutes until 1900Z
  16. # [19:04] <shepazu> trackbot, start telcon
  17. # [19:04] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
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  19. # [19:04] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-webapps-irc
  20. # [19:04] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  21. # [19:04] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  22. # [19:04] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DOM3
  23. # [19:04] <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM scheduled to start in 60 minutes
  24. # [19:04] <trackbot> Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
  25. # [19:04] <trackbot> Date: 08 December 2010
  26. # [19:04] <shepazu> Zakim, call shepazu
  27. # [19:04] <Zakim> ok, shepazu; the call is being made
  28. # [19:05] <smaug_> Zakim, who's on the call?
  29. # [19:05] <Zakim> IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM has not yet started, smaug_
  30. # [19:05] <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, smaug_, Lawouach, Lachy, krijnh, karl, Martijnc`, gavin, richt, MikeSmith, aroben, kennyluck, ArtB, anne, shepazu, jgraham, Dashiva, gsnedders, hober,
  31. # [19:05] <Zakim> ... trackbot, sideshow, Hixie, dom
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  33. # [19:06] <shepazu> Zakim, call shepazu
  34. # [19:06] <Zakim> ok, shepazu; the call is being made
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  38. # [19:08] * jrossi forgets what conference code shepazu likes to use instead of the one he has posted on the wiki :-)
  39. # [19:08] <smaug_> jrossi: 26631
  40. # [19:08] <smaug_> Zakim, who's on the call?
  41. # [19:08] <Zakim> IA_WebApps(DOM3)2:00PM has not yet started, smaug_
  42. # [19:08] <Zakim> On IRC I see Lachy, miketaylr, jrossi, RRSAgent, Zakim, smaug_, Lawouach, krijnh, karl, Martijnc`, gavin, richt, MikeSmith, aroben, kennyluck, ArtB, anne, shepazu, jgraham,
  43. # [19:08] <Zakim> ... Dashiva, gsnedders, hober, trackbot, sideshow, Hixie, dom
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  46. # [19:19] <jrossi> scribenick: jrossi
  47. # [19:20] <jrossi> jrossi: would like to nail down inputLocale
  48. # [19:20] <jrossi> jrossi: some pushback for putting it on compositionEvent instead of textEvent
  49. # [19:21] <jrossi> jrossi: have no issue with putting it in on textEvent, provided we can spec it in a way that implementations will pass the test when only providing this value for keyboard and IME inputMethods (and remaining values can be null)
  50. # [19:22] <jrossi> smaug: no pushback for compositionEvent, just a recommendation that it be in addition to textEvent
  51. # [19:22] <jrossi> jrossi: agreed
  52. # [19:24] <jrossi> schepazu: i think it can always be null, so that a passing implementation can provide either null or the correct locale code
  53. # [19:24] <jrossi> jrossi: that would be acceptable
  54. # [19:29] <jrossi> jrossi: should inputLocale be in the init methods for these interfaces?
  55. # [19:30] <jrossi> shepazu: yeah let's add this to the init and that will let us test this better, and enable script-based textEvents to provide locale (eg, script-based IME)
  56. # [19:32] <jrossi> RESOLUTION: we will have inputLocale on KeyboardEvent, CompositionEvent, and TextEvent, and add this the initialization methods for all three
  57. # [19:37] <shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
  58. # [19:37] * trackbot is ending a teleconference
  59. # [19:37] <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
  60. # [19:37] <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
  61. # [19:37] <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
  62. # [19:37] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/12/08-webapps-minutes.html trackbot
  63. # [19:37] <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
  64. # [19:37] <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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  66. # [19:47] <jrossi> shepazu, still there?
  67. # [19:47] <shepazu> hey, jrossi
  68. # [19:48] <jrossi> question: why is .key "Unidentified" when the implementation can't determine the value but then .char, (and now .inputLocale) are null?
  69. # [19:49] <shepazu> I couldn't parse that sentence
  70. # [19:50] <jrossi> for KeyboardEvent, when the implementation can't determine the value for the key property, we're supposed to return "Unidentified"
  71. # [19:51] <jrossi> however, for the char property, we return null
  72. # [19:51] <shepazu> correct
  73. # [19:51] <shepazu> oh
  74. # [19:51] <jrossi> and now inputLocale we'll return null
  75. # [19:51] <jrossi> :-)
  76. # [19:51] <shepazu> not null, ""
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  78. # [19:51] <shepazu> the empty string
  79. # [19:52] <jrossi> "For a key which does not have a character representation, the value must be null."
  80. # [19:52] <shepazu> that's a mistake.
  81. # [19:52] <shepazu> I'll fix that
  82. # [19:52] <shepazu> sorry
  83. # [19:53] <shepazu> all strings return a string, which may be the empty string (never null)
  84. # [19:53] <shepazu> it's a datatyping thing
  85. # [19:53] <jrossi> I see
  86. # [19:53] <shepazu> there's some legacy mistakes in there
  87. # [19:53] <jrossi> so why "Unidentified" as opposed to ""
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  89. # [19:59] <jrossi> so why "Unidentified" as opposed to "" ?
  90. # [20:04] * ArtB reminds Doug / Shepazu the Web Events call is starting NOW!
  91. # [20:05] <shepazu> jrossi: because that's a clear indication that the key could not be identified, I guess
  92. # [20:05] <shepazu> ArtB: what channel?
  93. # [20:06] <ArtB> #webevents
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