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  1. # Session Start: Thu Apr 21 00:00:03 2011
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  50. # [19:34] <jrossi> shepazu: looks like we've got critical mass, could you start the telecon for us?
  51. # [19:35] <smaug_> another call...
  52. # [19:35] <shepazu> zakim, room for 3?
  53. # [19:35] <smaug_> could you remind me about the conf#?
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  55. # [19:35] <jrossi> 617-761-6200
  56. # [19:36] <shepazu> smaug_: you're available now?
  57. # [19:36] <smaug_> yes
  58. # [19:36] <jrossi> conf code: 26632
  59. # [19:36] <smaug_> actually, give me 2 minutes
  60. # [19:36] <shepazu> Zakim, room for 3?
  61. # [19:36] <jrossi> that's fine
  62. # [19:36] <Zakim> ok, shepazu; conference Team_(webapps)17:33Z scheduled with code 26632 (CONF2) for 60 minutes until 1833Z
  63. # [19:36] <Zakim> Team_(webapps)17:33Z has now started
  64. # [19:36] <Zakim> + +1.425.421.aaaa
  65. # [19:37] <jrossi> how do I tell Zakim that number is me?
  66. # [19:37] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
  67. # [19:37] <jrossi> ("aaaa" ???)
  68. # [19:37] <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
  69. # [19:37] <smaug_> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
  70. # [19:37] <Zakim> +smaug_; got it
  71. # [19:37] <shepazu> Zakim, aaaa is jrossi
  72. # [19:37] <Zakim> +jrossi; got it
  73. # [19:37] <smaug_> Zakim, smaug_ is Olli_Pettay
  74. # [19:37] <Zakim> +Olli_Pettay; got it
  75. # [19:42] <jrossi> scribeNick: jrossi
  76. # [19:42] <jrossi> Issue-112?
  77. # [19:42] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-112
  78. # [19:42] <trackbot> ISSUE-112 -- Whitespace characters are allowed by all browsers in their event names. -- raised
  79. # [19:42] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/112
  80. # [19:43] <jrossi> jrossi: all major implementations support this
  81. # [19:43] <jrossi> shepazu: seems strange to allow this, but OK with me
  82. # [19:46] <jrossi> smaug_: that's fine, no need to check the name
  83. # [19:47] <jrossi> resolution: accept the changes and allow whitespace in characters for event names
  84. # [19:48] <jrossi> issue-120?
  85. # [19:48] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-120
  86. # [19:48] <trackbot> ISSUE-120 -- Consider returning 'scroll' from UIEvent to Event interface -- raised
  87. # [19:48] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/120
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  89. # [19:50] <jrossi> jrossi: moved from Event to UIEvent, issue is whether this is a good idea
  90. # [19:50] <jrossi> smaug_: shepazu moved others as well
  91. # [19:52] <jrossi> jrossi: from technical perspective, doesn't use new properties on UIEvent (details, view, etc.), from taxonomy standpoint makes sense. an implementation may not have a UI and thus not support this class of events
  92. # [19:52] <jrossi> shepazu: for doing feature detection it makes more sense
  93. # [19:53] <jrossi> shepazu: the fact that it was Event was because historically we didn't have a well-defined model
  94. # [19:53] <jrossi> shepazu: now we do, and it makes more sense to be a UIEvent, so I moved it there
  95. # [19:54] <jrossi> smaug_: not a big deal to me
  96. # [19:54] <jrossi> resolution: accept shepazu's changes and keep scroll as UIEvent
  97. # [19:57] <jrossi> issue-102?
  98. # [19:57] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-102
  99. # [19:57] <trackbot> ISSUE-102 -- Behavior of focus events when interacting with focus()/blur() methods needs to be defined -- raised
  100. # [19:57] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/102
  101. # [19:57] <jrossi> jrossi: took a deep dive
  102. # [19:57] <jrossi> jrossi: current implementations are all over the board, most implementations are not desirable
  103. # [19:58] <jrossi> smaug_:probably out of scope for D3E
  104. # [19:58] <jrossi> shepazu: maybe we need a focus spec
  105. # [19:58] <jrossi> jrossi: yeah, so my suggestion is to not fix this
  106. # [19:58] <jrossi> jrossi: and suggest it be either integrated in HTML5 or as a new focus spec
  107. # [20:00] <jrossi> resolution: reject this issue and suggest it be taken up in HTML5 or a new focus spec
  108. # [20:00] <jrossi> issue-133?
  109. # [20:00] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-133
  110. # [20:00] <trackbot> ISSUE-133 -- Consider specifying keyCode and charCode -- raised
  111. # [20:00] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/133
  112. # [20:01] <jrossi> jrossi: we've closed on this, correct? we're not going to define this?
  113. # [20:01] <jrossi> shepazu: we have some stuff from hallvord, we could use as a non-normative appendix
  114. # [20:02] <jrossi> jrossi: I'd almost like to pull the non-normative, legacy details, etc. like this into a separate note
  115. # [20:04] <jrossi> shepazu: I don't think this type of documentation is as useful as it was 5 years ago (now that IE is developing again), but we keep hearing from folks that they want some of this defined. Pulling it out into a separate spec will likely take too much work and open up a lot more legacy behavior that needs to be defined.
  116. # [20:04] <jrossi> jrossi: agreed, we should accept this as an appendix, but not focus too much on adding additional legacy documentation
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  118. # [20:06] <jrossi> resolution: integrate Hallvord's write up for keyCod and charCode as an appendix to D3E
  119. # [20:06] <shepazu> action: shepazu to integrate Hallvord's write up for keyCod and charCode as an appendix to D3E
  120. # [20:06] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  121. # [20:06] <trackbot> Created ACTION-615 - Integrate Hallvord's write up for keyCod and charCode as an appendix to D3E [on Doug Schepers - due 2011-04-28].
  122. # [20:08] <jrossi> issue-113?
  123. # [20:08] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-113
  124. # [20:08] <trackbot> ISSUE-113 -- Clarify when resize events fire -- raised
  125. # [20:08] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/113
  126. # [20:08] <jrossi> jrossi: have we already discussed this?
  127. # [20:11] <jrossi> jrossi: hixie suggested to put this definition in CSSOM
  128. # [20:11] <jrossi> smaug_: yeah that makes sense
  129. # [20:11] <jrossi> jrossi: I agree
  130. # [20:12] <jrossi> shepazu: we should keep our definition, but then if CSSOM defines something different, we'll integrate those changes
  131. # [20:15] <jrossi> jrossi: OK, let's make sure our definition defines basic interop case and then if CSSOM wants to get more specific or change the behavior somewhat, we'll look at addressing those changes later
  132. # [20:16] <jrossi> resolution: do not define additional behavior, rather ensure that the current definition matches a basic interoperable behavior for resize
  133. # [20:17] <jrossi> issue-137?
  134. # [20:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-137
  135. # [20:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-137 -- Should keypress events fire when using an IME? -- raised
  136. # [20:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/137
  137. # [20:17] <jrossi> jrossi: I believe IE9 fires keypress for the Windows IME
  138. # [20:18] <jrossi> smaug_: I believe it may not always be possible, for example on Linux
  139. # [20:18] <jrossi> action: smaug_ to investigate whether this is possible cross-platform
  140. # [20:18] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  141. # [20:18] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - smaug_
  142. # [20:18] <smaug_> action: Olli_Pettay to investigate whether this is possible cross-platform
  143. # [20:18] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  144. # [20:18] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Olli_Pettay
  145. # [20:19] <jrossi> action: smaug to investigate whether this is possible cross-platform
  146. # [20:19] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  147. # [20:19] <trackbot> Created ACTION-616 - Investigate whether this is possible cross-platform [on Olli Pettay - due 2011-04-28].
  148. # [20:20] <jrossi> issue-124?
  149. # [20:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-124
  150. # [20:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-124 -- Remove RFC2119 keywords from examples -- raised
  151. # [20:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/124
  152. # [20:20] <jrossi> action: shepazu to make these changes
  153. # [20:20] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  154. # [20:20] <trackbot> Created ACTION-617 - Make these changes [on Doug Schepers - due 2011-04-28].
  155. # [20:25] <jrossi> issue-157?
  156. # [20:25] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-157
  157. # [20:25] <trackbot> ISSUE-157 -- Problems with initKeyboardEvent -- raised
  158. # [20:25] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/157
  159. # [20:25] <jrossi> jrossi: we discussed this before, but I don't see a resolution
  160. # [20:27] <jrossi> jrossi: I believe this issue was the resultion of confusion from an old typo where one of the arguments for initKeyboardEvent was missing
  161. # [20:27] <jrossi> jrossi: don't believe this is valid anymore
  162. # [20:29] <jrossi> smaug_: current event dispatch spec text is tightly coupled with the DOM, yet new features like indexedDB use these dispatch methods to propagate events through other tree-like structures
  163. # [20:29] <jrossi> smaug_: we should probably update spec text to allow for this
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  165. # [20:30] <jrossi> jrossi: agree, I'll add some text to say that it's possible/OK to apply the D3E dispatch/propagation model to other structures
  166. # [20:32] <Zakim> -Olli_Pettay
  167. # [20:32] <Zakim> -jrossi
  168. # [20:32] <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
  169. # [20:32] <Zakim> Team_(webapps)17:33Z has ended
  170. # [20:32] <Zakim> Attendees were +1.425.421.aaaa, Doug_Schepers, jrossi, Olli_Pettay
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  174. # [20:52] <shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
  175. # [20:52] * trackbot is ending a teleconference
  176. # [20:52] <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
  177. # [20:52] <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
  178. # [20:52] <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
  179. # [20:52] <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
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