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  54. # [15:16] <ArtB> Marcos - PLH is interested in the status of the widget specs
  55. # [15:16] <Marcos> Awesome :)
  56. # [15:17] <ArtB> He know about the August PR plan for Packaging, Dig Sig, Interface and View-Modes
  57. # [15:17] <ArtB> and about the Web Storage reference for Widget Interface
  58. # [15:17] <ArtB> that leaves 3 other widget specs:
  59. # [15:17] <plh> (and HTML5 and WebIDL references)
  60. # [15:17] <ArtB> 1. WARP - blocked by a PAG
  61. # [15:17] <ArtB> 2. Widget URI scheme - Robin was the lead but has stopped work on that spec
  62. # [15:18] <ArtB> 3. Widget Updates - still a WD
  63. # [15:18] <ArtB> BTW, WARP is in CR, YOU ARE Scheme is LCWD
  64. # [15:18] <ArtB> So, Marcos - you have been quite active recently on WARP
  65. # [15:18] <ArtB> what's your plan there?
  66. # [15:18] * Marcos feels like he is at a job interview :)
  67. # [15:19] <Marcos> I am finishing off WARP test suite
  68. # [15:19] <ArtB> sorry, didn't want t put you on the spot
  69. # [15:19] <Marcos> np :)
  70. # [15:19] <ArtB> we are just trying to "set expectations"
  71. # [15:19] <Marcos> first and trying to get resolution on a few open issues, so we can push WARP to CR
  72. # [15:19] <plh> it's already in CR...
  73. # [15:19] <ArtB> and I'll update PubStatus according (http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/PubStatus#Widget_Specifications)
  74. # [15:20] <Marcos> plh: it will probably need to go back to LC, and then to CR again or straight to PR… unless we leave the bugs and fix it in a V2
  75. # [15:21] <plh> what's your timeline to get it ready for PR then?
  76. # [15:21] <Marcos> we have gathered quite a bit of implementation experience that needs to be folded into the spec… which is what CR is for, right?
  77. # [15:21] <plh> correct
  78. # [15:21] <Marcos> Depends on implementations and on the WG reaching an agreement on what we do about the two issues I have raised about the spec
  79. # [15:22] <ArtB> Marcos, make a clear proposal on how to address the issues
  80. # [15:22] <ArtB> and I can then followup with something like "if you have any objections to MC's proposal, speak up by MM DD; otherwise the proposal will carry"
  81. # [15:22] <Marcos> Actually, there are 3 issues.
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  84. # [15:23] <Marcos> but anyway. I can take those 3 on the list
  85. # [15:23] <Marcos> with proposals
  86. # [15:23] <ArtB> cool
  87. # [15:24] <plh> for URI Scheme and Updates, should we push them as Notes?
  88. # [15:24] <Marcos> Why would we do that?
  89. # [15:24] <Marcos> They are good specs
  90. # [15:25] <plh> because I'm not going to keep those specs in the webapps charter forever
  91. # [15:25] <plh> they'll be as good as as Notes as they are now
  92. # [15:25] <Marcos> But they are almost done, and a lot of people are depending on them
  93. # [15:25] <Marcos> I think the WAC membership would object to such a move
  94. # [15:25] <plh> so any chance to get RECs for them in the upcoiming months as well?
  95. # [15:26] <Marcos> sure, that is my goal
  96. # [15:26] <Marcos> I want to have everything done by Oct, 19th
  97. # [15:26] <plh> fine then. my goal is to get those out of the way somehow. either as RECs or as Notes.
  98. # [15:27] <Marcos> Can I ask why there is such a hurry to get them "out of the way"?
  99. # [15:27] <plh> I won't recharter the webapps group with the widgets specs in
  100. # [15:27] <ArtB> Marcos, do you know - approximately - when Updates will be ready for LC?
  101. # [15:27] <plh> we had too much troubles in the past 2 years
  102. # [15:27] <Marcos> Can you elaborate?
  103. # [15:28] <Marcos> As editor, and as someone who has been part of the w3c, I don't see anything out of the ordinary with the widget specs and their progress?
  104. # [15:29] <ArtB> Marcos, I don't think PLH means the widget specs themselves have been problematic
  105. # [15:29] <plh> we do objections on the current bundling of specs in webapps everytime we recharter the group
  106. # [15:29] <plh> s//get/
  107. # [15:30] <ArtB> but rather Webapps' charter discussions related to widgets have resulted in some Members voicing complaints
  108. # [15:30] <plh> correct
  109. # [15:30] <plh> we get object on the current scope of webapps everytime we try to recharter the group
  110. # [15:30] <plh> this prevents us from easily adding new APIs into the group
  111. # [15:31] <Marcos> plh, are you saying this does not happen for other specifications in other working groups? A few companies being protectionist about their patents should not have widgets kicked out. They knew widgets were here when they joined the WG
  112. # [15:31] <plh> it doesn't happen in html, css, or svg
  113. # [15:31] <plh> nor in web perf, geolocation, etc.
  114. # [15:32] <plh> I understand that Opera likes the status quo, but this has to change
  115. # [15:32] <Marcos> are you sure?… I know geolocation in not in WebApps for *some* reason
  116. # [15:33] <plh> sure, like Web Events
  117. # [15:33] <plh> but geolocation doesn't get in the way of rechartering webapps
  118. # [15:33] <Marcos> What about Aplix, Samsung, WAC, etc. which all depend on widgets?
  119. # [15:33] <Marcos> Ok, so we could finish the current specs and move new specs to a new WG?
  120. # [15:33] <plh> how is it that you're the only editor on those documents if all those companies care so much?
  121. # [15:34] <plh> Marcos, correct
  122. # [15:34] <plh> this has been the plan for the past 2 years
  123. # [15:34] <Marcos> You read my specs? i'm a pretty good editor
  124. # [15:34] <plh> but you have limited time :)
  125. # [15:34] <Marcos> And don't forget Robin also edited widget specs.
  126. # [15:35] <plh> but he stopped
  127. # [15:35] <Marcos> Not at the moment. I have 6 months to work on this full time. He didn't stop by choice. He is a contractor and gets assigned to work stuff… not by choice
  128. # [15:35] <gsnedders> plh: How is it that Hixie is the only editor on HTML5 despite quite obviously a lot of companies caring a lot?
  129. # [15:35] <gsnedders> (It's not just market interest that dictates number of editors.)
  130. # [15:36] <plh> I'm not complaining about having one editor, I'm complaining about companies who have significant interest in specs but are not willing to dedicate the resources
  131. # [15:37] <Marcos> It's hard to edit specs, let alone find people who have the skills required to do it.
  132. # [15:37] <Marcos> You can't just assign resources … it takes a lot of experience
  133. # [15:38] <plh> I agree, but if we can't find resources, they shouldn't be surprised if the work doesn't happen
  134. # [15:38] <Marcos> Anyway, we are getting into a philosophical debate
  135. # [15:38] <plh> indeed :)
  136. # [15:39] <Marcos> So, you are happy for me to finish by Oct, right?
  137. # [15:39] <plh> more than happy
  138. # [15:39] <ArtB> Delighted Marcos!
  139. # [15:39] <Marcos> But in return, you have to sort the WARP PAG
  140. # [15:39] <plh> that's deal :)
  141. # [15:39] <ArtB> that's your action PLH ;)
  142. # [15:39] <plh> s/deal/a deal/
  143. # [15:40] <Marcos> Awesome
  144. # [15:41] <Marcos> plh: what else do you need from me? do you have all the information you need?
  145. # [15:42] <plh> nope, I believe I'm all set
  146. # [15:42] <plh> thank you!
  147. # [15:42] <Marcos> plh: what do we do to move new specs to a new WG?
  148. # [15:42] <ArtB> Marcos - coming back to Widget Updates - what's the general plan there?
  149. # [15:43] <plh> re new WG, Matt Womer is looking into that
  150. # [15:43] <Marcos> Re: updates, just edit it, fix up the test suite, and publish it
  151. # [15:43] <Marcos> about 1 month of work
  152. # [15:44] <ArtB> so an LC for Updates in July?
  153. # [15:44] <Marcos> it's certainly possible
  154. # [15:45] <ArtB> ok; thanks
  155. # [15:45] <ArtB> Marcos - WebApps still has the so-called Widget Embedding deliverable in its charter
  156. # [15:46] <Marcos> right, need to think about that one
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  159. # [15:49] <Marcos> ArtB: ping me if you need anything else
  160. # [16:03] <plh> ArtB, btw, Doug is somewhere between his wedding and his honeymoon this week
  161. # [16:03] <plh> so don't be surprised if he is not responsive
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  166. # [16:18] <ArtB> how dare him prioritize his personal life over WebApps; what a slacker ;)
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  169. # [16:55] <plh> I tried but he never listen to me anyway
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