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  147. # [17:37] <ArtB> = Topic D3E
  148. # [17:38] <ArtB> Topic: Issue #123
  149. # [17:38] <ArtB> DS: disagrees with AvK; there are good reasons
  150. # [17:38] <ArtB> … e.g. the SVG spec has a switch mech
  151. # [17:38] <ArtB> … we want consisten mechanisms
  152. # [17:38] <ArtB> … Also, for testing need an API for fine-grain indication of features being tested
  153. # [17:38] <ArtB> … and a feature string is handy for that
  154. # [17:38] <ArtB> … It is a formalism to define parts of the spec and that is useful
  155. # [17:38] <ArtB> OP: there are criticism this is a bad feature
  156. # [17:38] <ArtB> … but I think the problem is it was poorly implemented
  157. # [17:38] <ArtB> … Would like to see a good argument why this is a bad feature
  158. # [17:38] <ArtB> issue-123?
  159. # [17:38] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-123
  160. # [17:38] <trackbot> ISSUE-123 -- Rationale for feature strings -- pending review
  161. # [17:38] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/123
  162. # [17:38] <ArtB> Topic: Issue-179
  163. # [17:38] <ArtB> Issue-179?
  164. # [17:38] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-179
  165. # [17:38] <trackbot> ISSUE-179 -- DOM Core uses INVALID_STATE_ERR (DOMException) where D3E uses DISPATCH_REQUEST_ERR (EventException) -- pending review
  166. # [17:38] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/179
  167. # [17:38] <ArtB> DS: I am fine with changing that
  168. # [17:39] <ArtB> OP: I don't care too much about that
  169. # [17:39] <ArtB> … I don't think anyone checks it
  170. # [17:41] <ArtB> AB: what is Jacob's position on Issue-179?
  171. # [17:41] <ArtB> DS: I don't know
  172. # [17:41] <ArtB> Topic: Issue-130
  173. # [17:41] <ArtB> Issue-130?
  174. # [17:41] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-130
  175. # [17:41] <trackbot> ISSUE-130 -- Consider using Web IDL for the IDL fragments -- pending review
  176. # [17:41] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/130
  177. # [17:42] <ArtB> OP: I think this was originally raised when Cam was working on his Phd
  178. # [17:42] <ArtB> DS: what is the current status of WebIDL
  179. # [17:42] <ArtB> AB: LC# ended a few weeks ago
  180. # [17:42] <ArtB> DS: were there any objections?
  181. # [17:42] <ArtB> … or comments that need to be addressed?
  182. # [17:43] <ArtB> AB: Cam created LC#2 comment tracking doc
  183. # [17:43] <ArtB> … but I don't know the status of it
  184. # [17:43] <ArtB> … we can check public-scipt-coord
  185. # [17:43] <ArtB> … see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-script-coord/2011OctDec/0060.html
  186. # [17:44] <ArtB> … http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/lc2.txt
  187. # [17:44] <ArtB> … looks like about 15 comments
  188. # [17:44] <ArtB> OP: I doubt WebIDL is "stable" yet, IMO
  189. # [17:44] <ArtB> … that is, an educated guess
  190. # [17:45] <ArtB> … because there are some BC issues that we are finding
  191. # [17:45] <ArtB> … and in some cases, it's not clear we have to change something or not
  192. # [17:45] <ArtB> DS: this is not a technical comment
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  194. # [17:46] <ArtB> … There is no technical reason to hold up the spec for IDL unless the IDL is incorrect
  195. # [17:46] <ArtB> … Afterall, the IDL does not directly affect an impl
  196. # [17:47] <ArtB> DS: which parts of WebIDL are not stable?
  197. # [17:47] <ArtB> OP: a few things throughout
  198. # [17:47] <ArtB> … I think it will continue to need to be tweaked
  199. # [17:47] <ArtB> … and I suspect a LC#3 of WebIDL will be needed
  200. # [17:48] <ArtB> DS: Ms2ger says we should normatively ref WebIDL
  201. # [17:48] <ArtB> … because it is going to move fwd more rapidly than D3E
  202. # [17:49] <ArtB> … If that's true, then after D3E CR is published, we could go back to LC if WebIDL is proven to be stable
  203. # [17:50] <ArtB> … My claim is that WebIDL is not stable enough at the moment
  204. # [17:50] <ArtB> … but we can always move D3E back if we need to
  205. # [17:51] <ArtB> DS: also, there is claim D3E "stealthily" adds a dependency on HTML5
  206. # [17:52] <ArtB> … because the ref is Informative
  207. # [17:52] <ArtB> … I think D3E can be implemented on top of HTML4
  208. # [17:52] <ArtB> … although that isn't likely, it could be done
  209. # [17:53] <shepazu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2011OctDec/0111.html
  210. # [17:53] <ArtB> Topic: Marcos' objection
  211. # [17:53] <ArtB> AB: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2011OctDec/0111.html
  212. # [17:54] <ArtB> DS: that's mostly a +1
  213. # [17:54] <ArtB> … but he also asserts there are redundancies
  214. # [17:54] <ArtB> … I don't think there are any redundancies
  215. # [17:55] <ArtB> … He wants to see some clarifications
  216. # [17:55] <ArtB> … I will need to reply to Marcos
  217. # [17:55] <ArtB> … Adding some text about the relationship is relatively easy
  218. # [17:56] <ArtB> … The scope of DOM4 is certainly different than D3E
  219. # [17:56] <ArtB> OP: yes, the scope is definitely different
  220. # [17:57] <ArtB> AB: can this issue be resolved with some text or is this issue more fundamental?
  221. # [17:58] <ArtB> DS: the relationship is relatively simple
  222. # [17:58] <ArtB> … but if the issue means there needs to be some major scope changes, a resolution will be more difficult
  223. # [17:59] <ArtB> OP: the exception handling needs to be made compatible
  224. # [17:59] <ArtB> DS: I think the main techincal issue is issue-179
  225. # [18:00] <ArtB> … but we need to hear from Jacob
  226. # [18:00] <ArtB> … to determine his position on it
  227. # [18:01] <ArtB> DS: we will talk about this @ TPAC
  228. # [18:01] <ArtB> OP: I can join via the voice conf bridge
  229. # [18:02] <ArtB> <done>
  230. # [18:02] <ArtB> IRC log: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/webapps/20111025
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  234. # [18:25] <smaug> shepazu: thanks
  235. # [18:25] <smaug> that was just me wondering things
  236. # [18:26] <shepazu> smaug: I think it would be useful if you were to talk with my manager, plh
  237. # [18:26] <shepazu> and MikeSmith
  238. # [18:26] <shepazu> maybe we could set up a telcon sometime
  239. # [18:26] <smaug> shepazu: I would need to clarify my mind first :)
  240. # [18:26] <shepazu> smaug: ok
  241. # [18:27] <smaug> I'm really just wondering about certain things
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