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  84. # [15:38] <Josh_Soref> darobin: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1385173 fwiw
  85. # [15:39] <Josh_Soref> the comments at the top aren't entirely current, but..
  86. # [15:39] <darobin> Josh_Soref: pretty cool!
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  88. # [15:39] <darobin> you should send that to the sys team
  89. # [15:40] <Josh_Soref> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1385175 is the output from our meeting
  90. # [15:40] <Josh_Soref> i should try to run it against someone else's minutes to see how it fairs
  91. # [15:40] <Josh_Soref> suggestions?
  92. # [15:45] <darobin> pretty impressive
  93. # [15:45] <Josh_Soref> hrm, i'd need someone who does html minutes
  94. # [15:45] <darobin> Josh_Soref: the DAP homepage has a full archive of our minutes, you could take those from previous TPACs as test
  95. # [15:46] <darobin> either way, you should show your tool to dom
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  103. # [16:13] <Josh_Soref> wow, this almost works on fantasai's text minutes
  104. # [16:22] * Josh_Soref goes to pastebin output from a random CSS WG meeting
  105. # [16:24] <Josh_Soref> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1385188
  106. # [16:24] <Josh_Soref> the reason for the overused warning is that the heuristics could easily decide two *distinct* people are the same speaker
  107. # [16:25] <Josh_Soref> in the CSS WG minutes case, florian / tab happen to manage to be minuted with multiple identifiers, so it's a reasonable warning
  108. # [16:25] <Josh_Soref> and, i think it's reasonable for the script not to guess that szilles = SteveZ
  109. # [16:25] <Josh_Soref> it's certainly possible to make that guess, but it's also a bit much
  110. # [16:29] <Josh_Soref> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1385190 is against TPAC 2010 DAP day 1
  111. # [16:29] <Josh_Soref> seems like it did a pretty good job
  112. # [16:30] <Josh_Soref> and mostly it's catching places where the transcript was poor (which is the goal)
  113. # [16:30] <Josh_Soref> especially this:
  114. # [16:30] <Josh_Soref> bryan should be one of: Bryan_Sullivan or Bryan_Sullivan;
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  116. # [16:31] <Josh_Soref> DR should be one of: David_Rogers or Dave_Raggett / dsr should be one of: David_Rogers or Dave_Raggett
  117. # [16:31] <Josh_Soref> and it didn't do the wrong thing for:
  118. # [16:33] <Josh_Soref> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1385192 is against TPAC 2010 DAP day 2
  119. # [16:34] <Josh_Soref> could not identify Frederic...
  120. # [16:34] <Josh_Soref> could not identify freedom...
  121. # [16:34] * Josh_Soref thinks that Frederic is a typo for Frederick
  122. # [16:34] * Josh_Soref isn't sure about freedom
  123. # [16:35] <Josh_Soref> so yeah, it seems to do a fairly good job :)
  124. # [16:54] <Josh_Soref> hrm
  125. # [16:54] * Josh_Soref hits a failure
  126. # [16:54] <Josh_Soref> Kai => Koji_Ishii
  127. # [16:55] <Josh_Soref> is it safe to assert that a person who is using Initials will only have either ALLCAPS or nocaps ?
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  158. # [19:41] <Josh_Soref> no
  159. # [19:41] * Josh_Soref hits Dsr which should be DSR or dsr :(
  160. # [19:46] <Josh_Soref> ok, so there's no way to distinguish Kai != Koji_Ishii from Dsr ~= Dave Raggett
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  185. # [21:35] <Josh_Soref> i have a script for reviewing minutes, it's pretty good
  186. # [21:35] <Josh_Soref> but it's hitting a few amusing snags
  187. # [21:35] <Josh_Soref> maciej is Maciej
  188. # [21:35] <Josh_Soref> MikeSmith is MikeSmith
  189. # [21:35] <Josh_Soref> mjs is MikeSmith
  190. # [21:36] * Josh_Soref needs to define a rule which justifies not selecting that last case
  191. # [21:36] <Josh_Soref> another instance has:
  192. # [21:37] <Josh_Soref> Jonas is Jonas
  193. # [21:37] <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref is Josh_Soref
  194. # [21:37] <Josh_Soref> JS is Josh_Soref
  195. # [21:37] * Josh_Soref has no idea if it's right or wrong there..
  196. # [21:37] <Josh_Soref> (answer is that it'
  197. # [21:37] <Josh_Soref> s wrong)
  198. # [21:38] <Josh_Soref> (actually, that's from the WebApps f2f this year, i should just fix the minutes)
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  217. # [22:39] <Josh_Soref> you actually scribed both sicking and timeless as JS in the same meeting!
  218. # [22:39] <Josh_Soref> hi sicking
  219. # [22:40] * Marcos gets himself off the floor
  220. # [22:40] * Marcos goes back to coding
  221. # [22:40] <Marcos> so much violance
  222. # [22:40] <Marcos> or violence
  223. # [22:40] <Marcos> or both
  224. # [22:41] <Marcos> :)
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  226. # [22:52] <Josh_Soref> heh
  227. # [22:52] <Josh_Soref> ok, i'm down to only a couple of bad characters
  228. # [22:52] <Josh_Soref> heycam, shepazu, smaug, and "scribe"
  229. # [22:53] * heycam is a bad character? o_O
  230. # [22:53] <Josh_Soref> heycam: there's no way for the script i have to figure out who you are
  231. # [22:53] <heycam> because my irc nick doesn't map simply to my name?
  232. # [22:53] <Josh_Soref> yeah
  233. # [22:53] <Josh_Soref> i even have code which handles "dom"!
  234. # [22:54] <Josh_Soref> note that collectively sicking+timeless are worse, so don't feel too bad :)
  235. # [22:54] <heycam> I guess some people like to use irc nicks for minute taking, others like to use initials
  236. # [22:54] <Josh_Soref> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1385311 is the script i'm using
  237. # [22:54] * heycam hopes Josh_Soref can disambiguate CM
  238. # [22:54] <heycam> (since sometimes people don't use CMN for chaals!)
  239. # [22:55] <Josh_Soref> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1385312 is the output
  240. # [22:55] <Josh_Soref> the script assumes CM is you
  241. # [22:55] <Josh_Soref> note that the script is purely diagnostic and doesn't actually affect anything
  242. # [22:56] <Josh_Soref> although potentially we could have the minutes include the output as a suggested reference
  243. # [22:56] <Josh_Soref> (the script recently grew sufficient intelligence to not get upset by 'jrossi2')
  244. # [22:56] <heycam> "Alex_Russel" =~ s/$/l/
  245. # [22:57] <Josh_Soref> thanks
  246. # [22:57] * Josh_Soref goes to figure out how many times that messed up
  247. # [22:57] <Josh_Soref> (twice as a speaker)
  248. # [22:59] <smaug> why do you need to map nick names to real names?
  249. # [22:59] <Josh_Soref> it helps catch errors
  250. # [22:59] <Josh_Soref> e.g. missing Present lines
  251. # [22:59] <Josh_Soref> and in this case it helps catch speakers who are misspelled
  252. # [23:00] <Josh_Soref> there's no requirement to map nick names to real names
  253. # [23:00] <Josh_Soref> just speaker names to present names
  254. # [23:00] <Josh_Soref> if you're consistently minuted as Smaug/smaug and present as Smaug/smaug, that's fine too
  255. # [23:01] <Josh_Soref> but for people who *don't* know you and weren't at the meeting, if they see both Smaug and Olli in Present+
  256. # [23:01] <Josh_Soref> they have a perfectly valid reason to think you're distinct people
  257. # [23:01] <Josh_Soref> (same applies for me)
  258. # [23:01] <Josh_Soref> heycam: offhand, did any of the other people seem mismapped?
  259. # [23:03] * Josh_Soref ponders
  260. # [23:03] <Josh_Soref> dom: !
  261. # [23:03] * Josh_Soref boggles
  262. # [23:03] <Josh_Soref> Scribe: ArtB
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  264. # [23:03] <Josh_Soref> <ArtB> JR: ....
  265. # [23:04] <Josh_Soref> anyone know offhand why the scribe.pl script wouldn't map that to "JR:..." ?
  266. # [23:05] * Quits: miketayl_r (miketaylr@206.217.92.186) (Quit: miketayl_r)
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  268. # [23:06] <Josh_Soref> wonky!
  269. # [23:06] <Josh_Soref> Found Scribe: Marcos
  270. # [23:06] <Josh_Soref> Inferring ScribeNick: scribe
  271. # [23:06] <Josh_Soref> Found Scribe: Marcosc
  272. # [23:06] <Josh_Soref> Inferring ScribeNick: scribe
  273. # [23:06] <Josh_Soref> Found Scribe: Chaals
  274. # [23:06] <Josh_Soref> Inferring ScribeNick: chaals
  275. # [23:07] <Josh_Soref> Found Scribe: ArtB
  276. # [23:07] <Josh_Soref> Inferring ScribeNick: scribe
  277. # [23:07] <Josh_Soref> Found Scribe: Josh_Soref
  278. # [23:07] <Josh_Soref> Found Scribe: Josh_Soref
  279. # [23:07] <Josh_Soref> Inferring ScribeNick: Josh_Soref
  280. # [23:07] <Marcos> hmm…. this can't be good
  281. # [23:07] * Josh_Soref doesn't understand why it sometimes picks the right scribenick and sometimes not
  282. # [23:09] * Marcos tries to explain to Josh_Soref that computers sometimes make their own decisions. "They are not machines, you know."
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  285. # [23:10] <Josh_Soref> heh
  286. # [23:10] * Quits: rniwa_ (rniwa@72.14.229.88) (Quit: rniwa_)
  287. # [23:11] <Josh_Soref> ok, at least one of these is just marcos being sillly
  288. # [23:11] <Josh_Soref> for the first X minutes he didn't have a Scribe: line
  289. # [23:11] <Josh_Soref> when he later added a Scribe: line, it was Marcosc, but his nick was Marcos
  290. # [23:12] <Josh_Soref> as such, the scribe script was definitely going to ignore him
  291. # [23:12] <Marcos> scribe script won't be the first :(
  292. # [23:12] <Josh_Soref> to ignore you for cause?
  293. # [23:12] <Marcos> heh :)
  294. # [23:14] <Josh_Soref> ok, so, now that i've s///'d the record so that your Scribe: line matches your nick, the scribe system believes you're the scribe
  295. # [23:14] * Quits: tpod (tpod@66.87.4.91) (Quit: Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi)
  296. # [23:15] * Josh_Soref figures out what the script is thinking
  297. # [23:15] <Josh_Soref> basically after "Scribe: X", you must speak as X: before scribe: speaks
  298. # [23:16] <Josh_Soref> otherwise the script decides it's an annotation and ignores it
  299. # [23:21] * Josh_Soref chuckles
  300. # [23:21] <Josh_Soref> CMN: ...
  301. # [23:21] <Josh_Soref> MC: ...
  302. # [23:21] <Josh_Soref> CM: ...
  303. # [23:21] <Josh_Soref> heycam: odds are that both of those were CMN :(
  304. # [23:21] <Josh_Soref> but it looks like they're different people :(
  305. # [23:23] <Josh_Soref> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1385325
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  307. # [23:25] <Josh_Soref> oh right
  308. # [23:25] <Josh_Soref> so, in case any scribes are listening
  309. # [23:25] <Josh_Soref> "done" is a magic word"
  310. # [23:25] <Josh_Soref> so you should never write "... done blah blah"
  311. # [23:25] <Josh_Soref> the scribe scripts will not treat that as a continuation of the previous speaker
  312. # [23:27] <Josh_Soref> anyone know if AdamBarth was every minuted as AB in webapps?
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  317. # [23:48] <Josh_Soref> heycam / smaug : can i get you to load the url in http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1385327 in your firefox(nightly, beta, aurora, whatever)?
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  319. # [23:49] <heycam> Josh_Soref, ok, loaded
  320. # [23:49] <Josh_Soref> do the first 6 or so characters' colors disturb you?
  321. # [23:49] <heycam> the orange "<" is something I think henri is aware of
  322. # [23:50] <Josh_Soref> oh good
  323. # [23:58] <Josh_Soref> heycam: any idea who Jakob is?
  324. # [23:59] <Josh_Soref> context=webapps
  325. # [23:59] <Josh_Soref> i suppose it could be jakob.voss
  326. # Session Close: Fri Nov 18 00:00:00 2011

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