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  1. # Session Start: Fri Nov 18 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #webapps
  3. # [00:00] <heycam> Josh_Soref, or maybe Jacob Rossi?
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  10. # [00:38] <Josh_Soref> heycam: that'd be my natural guess
  11. # [00:39] <Josh_Soref> i need to know though :(
  12. # [00:39] <Josh_Soref> dom: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1385344 -- what were you trying to do? (webapps TPAC)
  13. # [00:40] * Josh_Soref assumes dom wanted s/think see/see/
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  29. # [01:30] <Josh_Soref> heycam: were you in all/most of the webapps meeting?
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  32. # [01:54] <heycam> Josh_Soref, I was
  33. # [01:54] <heycam> Josh_Soref, that does not mean my memory will be good enough for whatever question you will ask me next, though :)
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  38. # [02:17] <heycam> thanks for cleaning up the minutes btw Josh_Soref
  39. # [02:18] <Josh_Soref> can you at least review them?
  40. # [02:18] <Josh_Soref> also, any idea which Paul, PaulK was (First day, not the day i incorrectly labeled first day whose minutes you have)
  41. # [02:19] <Josh_Soref> unresolved atm:
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  43. # [02:19] <Josh_Soref> CMH, DHM, PaulK, PSA, slightlyoff*, SW, vladimir
  44. # [02:19] * Josh_Soref isn't sure if vladimir is vladl or another one
  45. # [02:20] <Josh_Soref> s/CMH/CMN
  46. # [02:20] <Josh_Soref> actually, CMN = chaals
  47. # [02:21] <heycam> Josh_Soref, slightlyoff is Alex Russell
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  49. # [02:21] <heycam> vladamir is probably the woff/monotype guy
  50. # [02:22] <Josh_Soref> vladL, good
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  52. # [02:23] <Josh_Soref> gah, DHM better not be dom
  53. # [02:23] <Josh_Soref> it probably is
  54. # [02:23] <Josh_Soref> it is
  55. # [02:23] <Josh_Soref> ok, that leaves PaulK, PSA, SW
  56. # [02:24] <heycam> did you compare against the list of registered WG members/observers for the meeting?
  57. # [02:24] <Josh_Soref> ok, psa = peter saint-andre
  58. # [02:24] <heycam> wonder if PaulK = Paul Kinlan (just a wild guess)
  59. # [02:24] <heycam> if the discussion is during the Web Intents topic
  60. # [02:25] <heycam> SW = Sam Weinig?
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  62. # [02:26] <Josh_Soref> SW spoke at the very end of WebSockets topic
  63. # [02:26] <Josh_Soref> it could be weinig, yeah
  64. # [02:27] * Josh_Soref presumes JonathanJ and Jonathan_Jeon is the same person
  65. # [02:28] <Josh_Soref> it is
  66. # [02:28] <Josh_Soref> he tried Present+JonathanJ
  67. # [02:28] <Josh_Soref> and later Present+ Jonathan_Jeon
  68. # [02:28] <Josh_Soref> :o
  69. # [02:29] <Josh_Soref> paulk asked one question:
  70. # [02:29] <Josh_Soref> How much of XHR1 is just a subset of XHR2
  71. # [02:31] <heycam> yeah, dunno who it is then
  72. # [02:31] <Josh_Soref> ok, so, the only real speaker unaccounted for is paulk
  73. # [02:31] <Josh_Soref> his one line isn't significant in the scheme of things
  74. # [02:31] * Josh_Soref goes to talk to MSWord
  75. # [02:32] * Josh_Soref rotfl
  76. # [02:32] <Josh_Soref> WebApps f2f Meeeting
  77. # [02:47] <Josh_Soref> heycam: who is hober?
  78. # [03:08] <Josh_Soref> Edward O'Connor
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  136. # [13:52] <Marcos> heycam|away: In WebIDL, can you please add Function as a type. More specs are going to make use of it and it would be good not to have a dependency on HTML5 (or having to copy and paste it all the time from HTML5 to break the depedency). See http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#function
  137. # [13:53] <Marcos> Also, HTML5 can then just point to WebiIDL for the definition of Function
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  139. # [14:08] <anne> if you want it for event listeners
  140. # [14:08] <anne> you are stuck
  141. # [14:08] <anne> because you cannot define event handlers (did not mean listeners) with just Function
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  175. # [18:48] <Marcos> Anne, I'll send the request to the list so we can discuss it there
  176. # [18:48] <Marcos> about Function
  177. # [18:48] <Marcos> (I just saw that you responded, but it's weekend-o-clock)
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  181. # [19:12] <Josh_Soref> ArtB: reviewing the draft minutes for WebApps TPAC, an attempt to action Tab failed
  182. # [19:13] <Josh_Soref> is there a general recourse?
  183. # [19:13] <Josh_Soref> also, can i interest anyone in doing an informal review of the minutes for webapps?
  184. # [19:13] <Josh_Soref> anne: and you want to do something else
  185. # [19:13] <Josh_Soref> ... XHR uses a withCredentials attribute
  186. # [19:13] <Josh_Soref> ... HTMLxxx has something else
  187. # [19:14] <Josh_Soref> for instance, the 'xxx' there is probably wrong and could use a correction (anne?)
  188. # [19:15] <anne> I'm sorry I haven't looked at them
  189. # [19:15] <Josh_Soref> i didn't send them officially to the list
  190. # [19:15] <Josh_Soref> i'm just asking for pre-review
  191. # [19:16] <anne> there's so much things going on so I tend to look only to emails these days
  192. # [19:16] <anne> and not even all of those
  193. # [19:16] <Josh_Soref> i'm doing a writeup right now which is causing me to do more changes
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  196. # [19:17] <anne> if I said withCredentials for XHR, I probably meant to say crossorigin attribute for HTML
  197. # [19:17] <anne> not knowing the context
  198. # [19:17] <Josh_Soref> sounds right
  199. # [19:18] <Josh_Soref> should it say HTML5, HTML.next, ?
  200. # [19:18] <Hixie> "HTML" :-)
  201. # [19:19] <ArtB> josh_soref - the draft minutes were announced on public-webapps
  202. # [19:19] <ArtB> if you propose changes, seems like you should do so as responses to those two threads
  203. # [19:19] <ArtB> and if you want to include your version, add it as an attachment
  204. # [19:20] <Josh_Soref> Hixie: i'll change it to HTML if anne doesn't offer a preference (since it is anne 's voice)
  205. # [19:20] <Josh_Soref> ArtB: i'll send a revised version sometime next week
  206. # [19:21] <Josh_Soref> if there's a thread pointer, someone will need to send me a link
  207. # [19:21] <Josh_Soref> sorry, it took me more than a week just to deal w/ the dap minutes
  208. # [19:21] <ArtB> ok Josh_Soref - I noticed one error in your update. Do you want that here or in a response to your email
  209. # [19:21] <Josh_Soref> and i still have paperwork + expenses from tpac
  210. # [19:21] <anne> pretty sure I would say HTML
  211. # [19:21] <Josh_Soref> anne: ok
  212. # [19:21] <Josh_Soref> ArtB: i can take it here
  213. # [19:22] <Josh_Soref> either works
  214. # [19:22] <anne> unless there's specific reason to mention W3C's HTML5, I'll just say HTML as that requires less context
  215. # [19:22] <Josh_Soref> sure
  216. # [19:22] <Josh_Soref> ArtB: anyway, afaict this bit:
  217. # [19:22] <Josh_Soref> tab: you have a paragraph that says anyone wanting to use CORS
  218. # [19:22] <Josh_Soref> ... must specifically reference the algorithm and set particular variables
  219. # [19:22] <Josh_Soref> ... what would be helpful is specific example text
  220. # [19:22] <Josh_Soref> ACTION tab to write proposed text
  221. # [19:22] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  222. # [19:22] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - tab
  223. # [19:23] <Josh_Soref> oh, hi trackbot
  224. # [19:24] <ArtB> Josh - the problem I noticed is in the Nov 1 mins http://www.w3.org/2011/11/01-webapps-minutes.html#item02
  225. # [19:24] <ArtB> the Stream and file API section
  226. # [19:24] <ArtB> the "AB" in that section is Adrian Bateman
  227. # [19:24] <Josh_Soref> ACTION tab to write proposed example text to support the paragraph that says anyone wanting to use CORS must specifically reference the algorithm and set particular variables
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  229. # [19:24] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - tab
  230. # [19:24] <Josh_Soref> ArtB: ouch
  231. # [19:24] <ArtB> that is the "AB:" entries
  232. # [19:24] <ArtB> in your edited version, you say it is "ArtB"
  233. # [19:25] <Josh_Soref> yeah, that's fixable. annoying but fixable
  234. # [19:26] <Josh_Soref> oh, that's actually not bad
  235. # [19:26] <Josh_Soref> since you didn't speak yet
  236. # [19:26] <Josh_Soref> when does AB: stop being adrianba?
  237. # [19:26] <Josh_Soref> that's what i really need to know to fix it
  238. # [19:26] <ArtB> I only attended a small subset of WebApps' meeting on Nov 1
  239. # [19:26] <ArtB> I'd have to look real closely
  240. # [19:27] <ArtB> … at the mins
  241. # [19:27] <Josh_Soref> <ArtB> WebApps' Test Submission process: http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/Submission
  242. # [19:27] <Josh_Soref> that was you, right?
  243. # [19:28] <Josh_Soref> i'll assume AB: was adrianba until Topic: Testing
  244. # [19:28] <ArtB> I think I was only present for the http://www.w3.org/2011/11/01-webapps-minutes.html#item06 DOM4 and D3E part
  245. # [19:28] <ArtB> and I think I scribed that section
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  247. # [19:29] <Josh_Soref> according to my s///, that means AB: was consistently adrianba: for the entire minutes
  248. # [19:29] <Josh_Soref> which makes this easier
  249. # [19:29] <ArtB> Josh_Soref, I came into the meeting during the Testing topic
  250. # [19:30] <ArtB> and yes, you are correct about the <ArtB> you quoted above - that was me
  251. # [19:30] <Josh_Soref> yeah, but it doesn't look like you were scribed as AB: in that section (or later)
  252. # [19:30] <Josh_Soref> so it's a good cutover
  253. # [19:31] <Josh_Soref> ACTION tabatkins to write proposed example text to support the paragraph that says anyone wanting to use CORS must specifically reference the algorithm and set particular variables
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  255. # [19:31] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - tabatkins
  256. # [19:31] <Josh_Soref> is tab not part of webapps?
  257. # [19:32] <Josh_Soref> he isn't
  258. # [19:32] <ArtB> no, I just checked Webapps' participants list http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=42538
  259. # [19:32] <ArtB> and Tab is not a member of the WG
  260. # [19:33] <Josh_Soref> ACTION chaals to ACTION (per TPAC2011 Oct 31 CORS minutes) tabatkins to write proposed example text to support the paragraph that says anyone wanting to use CORS must specifically reference the algorithm and set particular variables
  261. # [19:33] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  262. # [19:33] <trackbot> Created ACTION-641 - ACTION (per TPAC2011 Oct 31 CORS minutes) tabatkins to write proposed example text to support the paragraph that says anyone wanting to use CORS must specifically reference the algorithm and set particular variables [on Charles McCathieNevile - due 2011-11-25].
  263. # [19:33] <Josh_Soref> chairs get all the fun work :)
  264. # [19:34] <Josh_Soref> ACTION-641?
  265. # [19:34] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-641
  266. # [19:34] <trackbot> ACTION-641 -- Charles McCathieNevile to aCTION (per TPAC2011 Oct 31 CORS minutes) tabatkins to write proposed example text to support the paragraph that says anyone wanting to use CORS must specifically reference the algorithm and set particular variables -- due 2011-11-25 -- OPEN
  267. # [19:34] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/actions/641
  268. # [19:34] * ArtB thanks timeless for actioning The Other One ;-)
  269. # [19:35] <Josh_Soref> you weren't present, it's clearly unfair to give you the action :)
  270. # [19:35] <ArtB> wouldn't be unprecedented though ;)
  271. # [19:36] <Josh_Soref> gah, i misspelled ACTION in that action
  272. # [19:36] <Josh_Soref> oh well
  273. # [19:36] <Josh_Soref> ok, it's now inlined into the minutes
  274. # [19:37] * Josh_Soref resumes trying to figure out if any useful conclusions were reached during the CORS discussion
  275. # [19:37] <ArtB> josh_soref - did you reflect EricU's comment about the minutes from Oct 31? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2011OctDec/0632.html
  276. # [19:38] * Josh_Soref can't see ericu's comment
  277. # [19:38] <ArtB> speaking of useful conclusions, what were the conclusions from Microsoft's Stream API proposal? Anne, Josh_Soref, anyone else?
  278. # [19:38] <Josh_Soref> oh
  279. # [19:38] <Josh_Soref> i see it
  280. # [19:38] <Josh_Soref> ok, lemme fix his bits
  281. # [19:38] <ArtB> EricU's comments were fairly short
  282. # [19:38] <Josh_Soref> and buried, quoting the whole text is painful :)
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  284. # [19:41] <Josh_Soref> ok, consider ericu's comments integrated
  285. # [19:43] * Josh_Soref spots "The Return of the Josh"
  286. # [19:43] * Josh_Soref didn't remember that
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  288. # [19:44] <Josh_Soref> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2011OctDec/0716.html
  289. # [19:45] <Josh_Soref> ArtB: do you want that text inlined?
  290. # [19:45] <Josh_Soref> oh
  291. # [19:45] <Josh_Soref> jonathanj isn't actually a scribe
  292. # [19:45] * Josh_Soref thanks timeless for commenting on the list
  293. # [19:46] <Josh_Soref> ok, jonathanj is no longer a scribe :)
  294. # [19:46] <ArtB> Josh_Soref, no, I don't think my correction on Nov 8 should be added to the mins
  295. # [19:47] <Josh_Soref> ok, so it shall not be incorporated :)
  296. # [19:47] <Josh_Soref> i've now incorporated EricU and timeless's comments :)
  297. # [19:47] <Josh_Soref> i'll eventually have to send the minutes from timeless@gmail since that's the address which is allowed to post
  298. # [19:59] <Josh_Soref> wow, the CORS discussion was long, and while somewhat interesting, not particularly useful for summation, it ends up being 4 sentences
  299. # [20:04] * Josh_Soref sighs
  300. # [20:06] <ArtB> FYI, Josh_Soref, I think CORS was discussed in the WebAppSec WG during TPAC
  301. # [20:06] <Josh_Soref> oh joy
  302. # [20:06] <Josh_Soref> i wasn't there for that, and this is a summation of WebApps not sec, but i should add a note on that point, thanks for the reminder
  303. # [20:12] <Josh_Soref> chaals: like weinig, i object the implications
  304. # [20:12] <Josh_Soref> ... if you're willing to do the legwork
  305. # [20:12] <Josh_Soref> --- is it safe to assume that chaals wanted a "to" between "object" and "the" ?
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  308. # [20:27] <Josh_Soref> Could not identify everyone...
  309. # [20:27] <Josh_Soref> Could not identify macrus...
  310. # [20:27] <Josh_Soref> Could not identify someone...
  311. # [20:27] * Josh_Soref chuckles
  312. # [20:28] * Josh_Soref wonders why this script thought it couldn't identify marcus
  313. # [20:29] <Josh_Soref> <dt id="T20-42-48">20:42:48 [Ms2ger]</dt><dd>Meeting: Component Model session</dd>
  314. # [20:29] <Josh_Soref> <dt id="T21-25-53">21:25:53 [ArtB]</dt><dd>Meeting: Component Model Gathering @ TPAC</dd>
  315. # [20:29] <Josh_Soref> ArtB: your meeting lost to ms2ger's
  316. # [20:29] <Josh_Soref> if you have a preference..
  317. # [20:30] <Josh_Soref> oh. and upi
  318. # [20:30] <Josh_Soref> you're magically chair, since you are a chair and you were there :)
  319. # [20:30] <Josh_Soref> although present didn't know you were there.
  320. # [20:31] <ArtB> Josh_Soref - are you talking about a meeting on a day other than Oct 31 and Nov 1 ?
  321. # [20:31] <Josh_Soref> the wednesday breakout
  322. # [20:32] <Josh_Soref> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1385728
  323. # [20:32] <Josh_Soref> gah
  324. # [20:32] <Josh_Soref> one sec
  325. # [20:32] <Josh_Soref> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1385729
  326. # [20:32] <ArtB> I did not attend that meeting
  327. # [20:33] <ArtB> I was prolly logged into #webapps that day
  328. # [20:33] <Josh_Soref> you spoke during it!
  329. # [20:33] <Josh_Soref> <ArtB> Meeting: Component Model Gathering @ TPAC
  330. # [20:33] <ArtB> so, it is incorrect to say I was Chair that day
  331. # [20:33] <Josh_Soref> ok :)
  332. # [20:33] <Josh_Soref> should that line be removed from the minutes?
  333. # [20:33] * Josh_Soref wonders what 'Chair' means in this context
  334. # [20:33] <ArtB> It wouldn't surprise me if I entered some RRSAgent macros
  335. # [20:34] <Josh_Soref> can i blame (=assign chair to) anne since anne spoke first and assigned scribe to weinig?
  336. # [20:34] <ArtB> If you are going to edit those "minutes", I think it would be appropriate to set Chair to something like "this was an informal gathering of some members of WebApps"
  337. # [20:34] <Josh_Soref> ok
  338. # [20:35] <ArtB> I don't think there is any need for blame here ;-)
  339. # [20:35] <Josh_Soref> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1385732
  340. # [20:35] <Josh_Soref> heycam|away: please feel free to look those over
  341. # [20:35] <Josh_Soref> since you were a scribe
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