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  27. # [05:11] <MikeSmith> Josh_Soref: so reading http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-intents/2011Nov/0028.html I am once again confused
  28. # [05:11] <MikeSmith> see my message to you and Paul
  29. # [05:11] <MikeSmith> was the message I sent that Paul replied to not text/plain?
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  68. # [15:00] <ArtB> anne, the XHR1/XHR2 thread is still in my Inbox ...
  69. # [15:01] <ArtB> I don't see any objections
  70. # [15:01] <ArtB> to the proposal to merge the two
  71. # [15:01] <ArtB> I'm not sure how to do that in practice though
  72. # [15:01] <ArtB> I'm wondering about the Principle of Least Surprise here
  73. # [15:01] <anne> we update TR/XMLHttpRequest2 to redirect to /XMLHttpRequest/
  74. # [15:02] <anne> and update /TR/XMLHttpRequest/ to be the new draft
  75. # [15:02] <ArtB> f.ex. if some other group has documented the XHR2 uri
  76. # [15:02] <anne> that's okay, it will redirect
  77. # [15:03] <ArtB> I agree redirect takes care of the URI derefernence e.g. in a browser
  78. # [15:03] <ArtB> Are you going to add something in the doc that mentions this?
  79. # [15:04] <darobin> you'd have to
  80. # [15:04] <darobin> not that it's a huge problem :)
  81. # [15:05] <anne> prolly add http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/CR-XMLHttpRequest-20100803/ to previous versions
  82. # [15:05] <anne> not sure
  83. # [15:05] <ArtB> It seems like some explanatory text should be added
  84. # [15:06] <ArtB> and kept for a while
  85. # [15:06] <anne> seems like overhead to me
  86. # [15:07] * ArtB wonders if there some precedence here we should follow or learn from ...
  87. # [15:07] <anne> WHATWG?
  88. # [15:08] <anne> worked great there
  89. # [15:08] <anne> less drafts, less confusion
  90. # [15:08] <ArtB> depending on one's perspective, all editing is overhead ;-)
  91. # [15:08] <darobin> anne: it's just a one-sentence paragraph in the intro and it can dispel some confusion — I think it's needed
  92. # [15:08] <ArtB> agree
  93. # [15:08] <ArtB> and as I said, it doesn't necessarily need to be permanent
  94. # [15:09] <anne> I just don't see why you want me to add disclaimers to my drafts all the time
  95. # [15:09] <anne> where that almost never has actually paid of
  96. # [15:09] <anne> in any real way
  97. # [15:09] <ArtB> but something that can help offset the Principle of Least Surprise for those folks that didn't follow all of the related discussion on pub-webapps
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  99. # [15:10] <ArtB> "Note: XHR1 and XHR2 have been combined into this version."
  100. # [15:11] <anne> well that's been the case for a couple of years now...
  101. # [15:11] <anne> I guess you want to say
  102. # [15:12] <anne> "The feature set of XMLHttpRequest before XMLHttpRequest Level 2 came along is no longer published separately." or some such
  103. # [15:13] <anne> but I don't really see what the point of that is
  104. # [15:13] <ArtB> this guy from Opera had some good (IMHO) suggestions: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2011OctDec/0892.html
  105. # [15:13] <ArtB> anne, ok, I'll work on the text with chaals [and darobin if he's interested] and then we'll send you what we agree on
  106. # [15:13] <anne> maybe we should just not publish
  107. # [15:14] <ArtB> oh, right, let's avoid it and then it will go away ;-)
  108. # [15:14] <anne> he was also fine with just replacing btw http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2011OctDec/0895.html
  109. # [15:15] <ArtB> replacing takes care of the URI problem
  110. # [15:15] <ArtB> I think there's a bit of an education prob too
  111. # [15:17] <anne> it should be pretty self evident what has happened
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  113. # [15:23] <darobin> anne: the point of this sort of disclaimer is that you can never know if it pays off since the people who would be confused and ask question understand and stay silent — which is the point :)
  114. # [15:24] <darobin> besides, the process says that extra disclaimers need be added to specifications written by Anne van Kesteren
  115. # [15:24] <ArtB> I think Chaals added that amendment to the ProcDoc ;)
  116. # [15:25] <anne> the WHATWG didn't do it and it worked out fine
  117. # [15:25] <anne> we didn't do it for the various renamings of DOM and it worked out fine
  118. # [15:26] <dom> I think a disclaimer in the SOTD should suffice, shouldn't it?
  119. # [15:27] <dom> it seems like the right place for this
  120. # [15:27] <darobin> plus, it takes care of the silly requirement to have a custom paragraph in there
  121. # [15:28] <anne> just updating the editor's draft seems much easier
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  125. # [15:41] <ArtB> dom, do you know of any similar cases in W3C?
  126. # [15:42] <ArtB> anne has a good point re Previous Version links
  127. # [15:42] <ArtB> should they be combined?
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  129. # [15:55] <Josh_Soref> MikeSmith: paul's original messages were multipart
  130. # [15:55] <Josh_Soref> as are the other googler's
  131. # [15:55] <Josh_Soref> if you happen to have a mail client which manages to ignore the non text/plain part, you're lucky
  132. # [15:55] <Josh_Soref> or if you happen to have a mail client which manages to do something *useful* with the rich part, you're lucky
  133. # [15:56] <Josh_Soref> but my mail client takes the "rich" part and gives me something where i can't tell who wrote what
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  151. # [20:32] <dglazkov> good morning, webapps!
  152. # [20:32] <dglazkov> :P
  153. # [20:32] <dglazkov> I am looking for powerful webapps wg wizards.
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  159. # [22:02] <Josh_Soref> they're heading home for thanksgiving
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  163. # [22:44] <shepazu> dglazkov: I'm not very powerful, but I am here, if that helps
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  168. # [23:08] <dglazkov> shepazu: yay, wizards.
  169. # [23:08] <shepazu> yay!
  170. # [23:10] <dglazkov> shepazu: I want to contemplate operating inside w3 machinery, switching component model spec work from github and wiki.whatwg.org to dev.w3.org and teh wiki. How hard would it be to set that up?
  171. # [23:10] <dglazkov> shepazu: also, would love to have a new component created in bugzilla to track todos/bugs for the component model work
  172. # [23:11] <shepazu> dglazkov: should be easy
  173. # [23:11] <shepazu> you're a member of the webapps wg, right?
  174. # [23:12] <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=42538
  175. # [23:12] <shepazu> you are not
  176. # [23:13] <shepazu> step one: have TV Raman add you as a WG member
  177. # [23:13] <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=42538&order=org great googly moogly, Google has a lot of WebApps WG participants!
  178. # [23:14] <shepazu> dglazkov: how about I send you an email with all the instructions
  179. # [23:14] <shepazu> ?
  180. # [23:15] <dglazkov> shepazu: I would be most pleased!
  181. # [23:15] <shepazu> consider it done!
  182. # [23:15] <dglazkov> yay shepazu!
  183. # [23:15] <shepazu> yay me!
  184. # [23:18] <Ms2ger> I'm going to hit you if you use CVS for new specs :)
  185. # [23:18] <dglazkov> Ms2ger: I'll do it myself!
  186. # [23:18] <dglazkov> what are the options?
  187. # [23:18] <Ms2ger> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-tools/2010AprJun/0011.html
  188. # [23:18] <dglazkov> I hope you guys support Perforce
  189. # [23:19] <Ms2ger> Oh, I guess you can't access that yet
  190. # [23:19] <shepazu> Ms2ger: then I'll deliberated do so, and when someone hits me out of the blue, I will have identified you! (or someone else who has a good reason to hit me)
  191. # [23:19] <Ms2ger> The latter seems rather more likely :)
  192. # [23:21] <shepazu> Ms2ger: dglazkov already has a member account, he's just not a participant in WebApps WG yet
  193. # [23:21] <Ms2ger> Oh, I see
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  195. # [23:21] <anne> also, typically company IP-addresses are whitelisted
  196. # [23:21] <dglazkov> mercurial is fine. Not as awesome as git, but fine
  197. # [23:22] <Ms2ger> Bah, git ;)
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  202. # [23:51] <dglazkov> I am totally a member now.
  203. # [23:51] <dglazkov> that's because t.v. is awesome
  204. # [23:53] <shepazu> dglazkov: that was fast
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  206. # [23:56] <dglazkov> *woosh*
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