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  87. # [15:34] <anne> Fullscreen as joint deliverable?
  88. # [15:34] <anne> wtwtf
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  92. # [16:28] <shepazu> anne: I was a little confused by that as well, but you did start defining CSS stuff in Fullscreen
  93. # [16:29] <anne> HTML defines CSS stuff
  94. # [16:33] <shepazu> anne: does it define stuff as fundamental as a new layer?
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  97. # [16:34] <Ms2ger> Too fundamental stuff according to some, at least
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  101. # [16:49] <tantek> anne - what's confusing about Fullscreen as a joint deliverable? we discussed it at the f2f in Mountain View just a few weeks ago
  102. # [16:50] <anne> it's a lot of extra work
  103. # [16:50] <tantek> what extra work?
  104. # [16:50] <tantek> and that's news to me
  105. # [16:52] <anne> guess you've never prepared something as a joint deliverable then
  106. # [16:52] <anne> it complicates the SotD section in a way that's fussy
  107. # [16:52] <anne> but whatever
  108. # [16:52] <tantek> the section that no one reads in practice?
  109. # [16:53] <tantek> except maybe to find the mailing list link to click on
  110. # [16:53] <anne> yeah that section
  111. # [17:03] <tantek> a little boilerplate fussing is likely worth the resulting IP commitment from Adobe (who's in CSSWG but not WebApps).
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  114. # [17:41] <timeless> Ms2ger: url for ArtB 's plain text flameware?
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  116. # [17:52] <Ms2ger> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2012AprJun/0942.html
  117. # [17:54] <timeless> thanks
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  120. # [18:39] <tantek> anne - in case you're still thinking/working on Fullscreen in here, I think the suggested edits from glazou and fantasai are helpful: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012May/1129.html and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012May/1131.html
  121. # [18:39] <tantek> any problems with those?
  122. # [18:40] <tantek> for "2. the ::backdrop pseudo-element is not explained" in particular - a simple 1-2 sentence description would be acceptable.
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  127. # [18:46] <ArtB> thanks tantek for agreeing to prep the Fullscreen spec for FPWD!
  128. # [18:47] <Ms2ger> ArtB, doesn't help much, glazou raised a bureaucratic objection against publishing
  129. # [18:47] <tantek> ArtB - not sure what you mean - I still haven't gotten hg working so I can't actually make the edits to the spec in HG myself. I am working to convey the requests from the CSSWG however, so that with Anne we can prepare it (I expect Anne will be making the actual hg commits).
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  131. # [18:48] <ArtB> ok tantek
  132. # [18:51] * tantek once again attempts to follow http://wiki.csswg.org/tools/hg/install to see where he gets stuck this time.
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  136. # [19:25] <timeless> tantek: is this os x?
  137. # [19:26] <tantek> timeless yes
  138. # [19:27] * tantek appears to now have a working install of hg
  139. # [19:27] <timeless> congratulations
  140. # [19:27] <timeless> what version of hg?
  141. # [19:27] <tantek> now to figure out how to set it up to work with W3C's servers :/
  142. # [19:27] <tantek> 2.2.1
  143. # [19:27] <timeless> w3c just requires a working w3 ssh account
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  145. # [19:29] <Ms2ger> You don't even get to use ssh for HG at the W3C
  146. # [19:30] <Ms2ger> Just add this to your ~/.hgrc:
  147. # [19:30] <Ms2ger> [auth]
  148. # [19:30] <Ms2ger> w3c.prefix = dvcs.w3.org/hg
  149. # [19:30] <Ms2ger> w3c.username = tantek
  150. # [19:30] <Ms2ger> w3c.password = hunter2
  151. # [19:31] * tantek is reading http://wiki.csswg.org/tools/hg#setting-up-mercurial-preferences
  152. # [19:32] <tantek> so hg sends your w3c credentials in the clear?
  153. # [19:32] <timeless> tantek: if you use https: then no
  154. # [19:32] <tantek> like w3.org/wiki does, and lists.w3.org/Member does
  155. # [19:33] <ArtB> and to hg clone you Must use httpS
  156. # [19:33] <tantek> hmm.. is that only for hg?
  157. # [19:33] <tantek> e.g. https://w3.org/wiki
  158. # [19:33] <tantek> Secure Connection Failed
  159. # [19:33] <tantek>
  160. # [19:33] <tantek>
  161. # [19:33] <tantek>
  162. # [19:33] <tantek>
  163. # [19:33] <tantek>
  164. # [19:33] <tantek>
  165. # [19:33] <tantek>
  166. # [19:33] <tantek> An error occurred during a connection to w3.org.
  167. # [19:33] <tantek> SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length.
  168. # [19:33] <tantek> (Error code: ssl_error_rx_record_too_long)
  169. # [19:34] <timeless> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/119336/ssl-error-rx-record-too-long-and-apache-ssl
  170. # [19:34] <tantek> timeless what was that sysreq channel (#sysreq?) where we ask about fixing these things?
  171. # [19:34] <timeless> THE SOLUTION
  172. # [19:34] <timeless> Turns out the customer had a misconfigured local proxy!
  173. # [19:34] <timeless> yeah, #sysreq
  174. # [19:34] <timeless> tantek: what was the command you used to clone?
  175. # [19:35] <timeless> (also, are you using a proxy?)
  176. # [19:35] <tantek> not that I know of
  177. # [19:36] <tantek> oh, this seems to work: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Main_Page
  178. # [19:36] <timeless> tantek: what's the command you're using to clone?
  179. # [19:36] * timeless wants to try it
  180. # [19:36] <tantek> not sure yet
  181. # [19:36] <tantek> ah drat, the https login redirects to http :(
  182. # [19:37] <tantek> ok that's one for #sysreq
  183. # [19:37] <timeless> oh
  184. # [19:37] <timeless> https://w3.org/wiki => Error 107 (net::ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR): SSL protocol error.
  185. # [19:37] <timeless> right,
  186. # [19:37] <timeless> they probably have HTTP (not HTTPS) listening on :443
  187. # [19:37] <timeless> lemme see
  188. # [19:37] <timeless> http://w3.org:443/wiki
  189. # [19:37] <timeless> yep
  190. # [19:38] <tantek> I don't understand - if that were true then why does https work for the login page and when you explicitly type it, e.g. https://www.w3.org/wiki/Main_Page
  191. # [19:39] <timeless> <w3.org> and <www.w3.org> are different
  192. # [19:39] <timeless> Name: w3.org
  193. # [19:39] <timeless> Address: 128.30.52.45
  194. # [19:39] <timeless> Name: www.w3.org
  195. # [19:39] <timeless> Address: 128.30.52.37
  196. # [19:39] <timeless> there's probably a proper https server listening to :443 on .37
  197. # [19:40] <timeless> but there's a stupid http server listening to :443 on .45
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  199. # [19:42] <tantek> timeless - see above, all my error reports (and in #sysreq) were to www.w3.org
  200. # [19:42] <timeless> yeah yeah
  201. # [19:42] <tantek> W3C uses www.w3.org as their canonical host
  202. # [19:42] <tantek> not w3.org (that just redirects, or should)
  203. # [19:43] <timeless> w3 is screwy in various ways
  204. # [19:43] <tantek> not my preference per http://no-www.org but hey
  205. # [19:43] <timeless> it doesn't do a good job of redirecting w3.org to www.
  206. # [19:43] <timeless> but ignoring that
  207. # [19:43] <timeless> my bug report to them is based on an error you reported here but didn't report there
  208. # [19:43] <tantek> the bug report I made in #sysreq stands
  209. # [19:43] <timeless> yes, it does
  210. # [19:43] <timeless> i could +1 it there if you like :)
  211. # [19:43] <tantek> looks like http://wiki.csswg.org/tools/hg#setting-up-mercurial-preferences uses https URLs for everything
  212. # [19:44] <tantek> timeless yes please - verified bugs are taken more seriously
  213. # [19:44] <timeless> right
  214. # [19:44] <timeless> so anyway, your password for dvcs shouldn't be sent in the clear
  215. # [19:45] <timeless> whether you choose to use ssh keys or inline passwords into hgrc is up to you
  216. # [19:45] * timeless shrugs
  217. # [19:45] <timeless> my general preference is for ssh keys
  218. # [19:45] * tantek wonders if .hgrc handles UTF8 like Ç
  219. # [19:45] <timeless> hg treats all stuff as binary
  220. # [19:45] <timeless> more or less
  221. # [19:45] <tantek> we'll find out
  222. # [19:46] <timeless> in general trying to use filenames w/ interesting characters cross platform is risky
  223. # [19:46] <timeless> since the encoding you pick for the filename on one platform will be reliably reproduced on a platform which doesn't use that encoding
  224. # [19:46] <timeless> resulting in things not quite working correctly
  225. # [19:47] <timeless> for commit messages, i think the story is pretty much the same
  226. # [19:47] <timeless> but i could be wrong
  227. # [19:47] <tantek> not filename, but username string in .hgrc
  228. # [19:48] <timeless> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/EncodingStrategy
  229. # [19:48] <timeless> yeah i know
  230. # [19:48] <timeless> i'm just mentioning it since after commit messages, the next thing people like to do is mess w/ other people's file systems :)
  231. # [19:49] <timeless> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/EncodingStrategy#UTF-8_strings
  232. # [19:49] <timeless> is the answer you seek
  233. # [19:49] <timeless> 5. UTF-8 strings
  234. # [19:49] <timeless> UTF-8 strings are used to store most repository metadata. Unlike repository contents, repository metadata is 'owned and managed' by Mercurial and can be made to conform to its rules. In particular, this includes:
  235. # [19:49] <timeless> commit messages stored in the changelog
  236. # [19:49] <timeless> user names
  237. # [19:49] <timeless> 6. Local strings
  238. # [19:49] <timeless> Strings not mentioned above are generally assumed to be in the local charset encoding. This includes:
  239. # [19:49] <timeless> command line arguments
  240. # [19:49] <timeless> configuration files like .hgrc
  241. # [19:49] <timeless> ----
  242. # [19:49] <timeless> Local strings !== UTF-8 strings
  243. # [19:51] <timeless> note to self: fix spelling error on that page
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  245. # [19:52] <tantek> ok
  246. # [19:52] <tantek> now I'm curious where mercurial clones something to when you do a command
  247. # [19:52] <tantek> e.g.
  248. # [19:52] <tantek> hg clone https://hg.csswg.org/test/
  249. # [19:52] <tantek> where does it create the files locally on your system?
  250. # [19:53] <Ms2ger> In the `test` subdirectory of the directory you're in
  251. # [19:53] <tantek> so it creates a 'test' directory then? or assumes you have one?
  252. # [19:53] <tantek> or requires there is none beforehand?
  253. # [19:53] <Ms2ger> It creates it
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  255. # [19:59] <tantek> and if it's already there, does it just re-use it?
  256. # [19:59] <tantek> or does it complain? or does it overwrite it?
  257. # [20:01] <timeless> it
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  259. # [20:01] <timeless> 'll complain if it isn't empty
  260. # [20:01] <timeless> but if it's empty or non existent, it'll be happy
  261. # [20:01] <timeless> tantek: note that `hg help clone` isn't terrible here
  262. # [20:02] <timeless> hg clone [OPTION]... SOURCE [DEST]
  263. # [20:02] <timeless> If no destination directory name is specified, it defaults to the
  264. # [20:02] <timeless> basename of the source.
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  272. # [20:25] <tantek> anyone know what the extra /hg is for that http://dvcs.w3.org/ redirects to?
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  280. # [21:30] <tantek> ArtB, I now have hg at least partially working - can open and locally edit the Overview.src.html and TR.html files for Fullscreen.
  281. # [21:30] <tantek> Now here's a question, how do I find out if I have write access to the Fullscreen hg repository?
  282. # [21:31] <tantek> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/fullscreen/ ?
  283. # [21:31] <Ms2ger> If you're in webapps, you should have access
  284. # [21:32] <tantek> Ms2ger, I'm an observer in webapps, not a member of the wg.
  285. # [21:32] <tantek> note that the fullscreen spec is just at the root of the w3c hg server
  286. # [21:33] <tantek> so I don't see how it's connected to webapps at all (from a permissions viewpoint)
  287. # [21:33] <tantek> should I just try making a test edit?
  288. # [21:33] <Ms2ger> Please don't
  289. # [21:34] <ArtB> tantek, AFAIK, if you have a W3C account, you can write to any hg directory
  290. # [21:35] <ArtB> I'd say do a test checkin. Msger - why do say "please don't"?
  291. # [21:36] <timeless> tantek: it's so in case someone wants to do dvcs.w3.org/git/
  292. # [21:36] <timeless> they could without screwing up namespaces :)
  293. # [21:36] <timeless> tantek: iirc there's a way to do a push that would fail but prove you have write access
  294. # [21:36] <timeless> i just don't remember what it is
  295. # [21:36] <timeless> oh!
  296. # [21:37] <timeless> hg pull -r <tip minus 1>
  297. # [21:37] <timeless> hg commit
  298. # [21:37] <timeless> hg push
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  300. # [21:37] <timeless> iirc that'll first confirm you can write and then tell you that you aren't current
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  302. # [21:37] <tantek> alright, then, I'll add back the more open license allowed in the editor's draft since Anne and I first wrote it up outside W3C, brought it to a CG which has a more permissive CLA which also allows for multi-licensing (last time this was publicly asked/answered) when CGs were established: http://tantek.com/2011/240/b1/w3c-community-groups-opportunities-suggestions-challenges
  303. # [21:37] <timeless> note that you need to really not have <remote's tip> in your repo
  304. # [21:39] <Ms2ger> timeless, that would probably work for Mozilla repos, because those are setup to forbid multiple heads
  305. # [21:39] <Ms2ger> Dunno if that's also the case here
  306. # [21:40] <timeless> Ms2ger: iirc mercurial itself gets pissy w/ you being non current on the head you're pushing
  307. # [21:40] <timeless> it should have been hg clone repo -r <tipminus-1>
  308. # [21:41] <timeless> it isn't that you can't do it w/ mercurial, but you have to pass a flag you shouldn't pass :)
  309. # [21:41] <Ms2ger> It's possible
  310. # [21:58] <tantek> ArtB - anyone - do you know what command-line is used for generating Overview.html from Overview.src.html ?
  311. # [21:58] <Ms2ger> `make`
  312. # [21:58] <Ms2ger> That's what the Makefile is for
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  314. # [22:00] <tantek> make: *** No rule to make target `data', needed by `Overview.html'. Stop.
  315. # [22:01] <Ms2ger> http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Anolis
  316. # [22:03] <tantek> how do you install https://bitbucket.org/ms2ger/anolis ?
  317. # [22:03] <Ms2ger> Clone it, and then run `sudo python setup.py install`
  318. # [22:03] <ArtB> calling anne, anne, please come in ...
  319. # [22:07] <tantek> Ms2ger: /bin/sh: anolis: command not found
  320. # [22:07] <tantek> assuming some path issue?
  321. # [22:07] <tantek> oh
  322. # [22:07] <tantek> setup
  323. # [22:07] <tantek> sorry brb
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  325. # [22:10] <tantek> and now:
  326. # [22:10] <tantek> (when make-ing)
  327. # [22:10] <tantek> ImportError: No module named lxml
  328. # [22:10] <tantek> File "/usr/local/bin/anolis", line 33, in <module>
  329. # [22:10] <tantek> from lxml import etree
  330. # [22:11] <Ms2ger> You'll need lxml and html5lib
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  332. # [22:14] <tantek> so that's part of the install step?
  333. # [22:15] <Ms2ger> I guess
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  335. # [22:25] <timeless> tantek: that's a `port install`
  336. # [22:29] <tantek> timeless I don't know what that means
  337. # [22:29] <tantek> do you have install command lines for lxml and html5lib?
  338. # [22:29] <timeless> i think:
  339. # [22:29] <timeless> sudo port install lxml
  340. # [22:29] <tantek> aha all managed thru port/macports
  341. # [22:29] <timeless> hrm, maybe it's py25-lxml
  342. # [22:30] <tantek> nope: Error: Port lxml not found
  343. # [22:30] <tantek> or py27-?
  344. # [22:30] <timeless> maybe
  345. # [22:30] <timeless> see if it's around
  346. # [22:30] <timeless> or perhaps if you're lucky just py-lxml
  347. # [22:30] <timeless> try py-html5lib
  348. # [22:32] <tantek> timeless - I've already spent enough hours today trying yet again to get setup with hg to edit/commit specs - not going to do any further experimentation
  349. # [22:33] <timeless> sorry
  350. # [22:33] <timeless> lemme know when you plan to reboot ;-)
  351. # [22:33] <tantek> when you (or anyone else) figures out canonical instructions for getting Anolis working, please add to http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Anolis#Setting_up_Anolis_with_cross-specification_cross-references - I've updated it mysefl
  352. # [22:33] <tantek> with more specific command lines etc.
  353. # [22:33] <timeless> someone would have to get me a modern mac (again?)
  354. # [22:33] <tantek> specifically, the ambiguous/undefined step is currently:
  355. # [22:33] <tantek> "install lxml and html5lib (actual install commands to be defined/tested/verified) "
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  357. # [22:33] <tantek> none of this has required rebooting
  358. # [22:33] <tantek> so far
  359. # [22:34] <timeless> yeah, i know
  360. # [22:34] <timeless> only my employer wants you to reboot ;(
  361. # [22:35] <tantek> Ms2ger - thanks for your help. I got stuck on "You'll need lxml and html5lib" - and updated the Anolis page accordingly: http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Anolis
  362. # [22:35] <tantek> see you next time I have time to try to make progress on this
  363. # [22:35] <Ms2ger> Np
  364. # [22:35] <tantek> in the mean time perhaps I'll try a test hg commit just changing the overview.src.html files
  365. # [22:35] <tantek> file*
  366. # [22:35] <tantek> what could go wrong?
  367. # [22:35] <timeless> a local commit or a commit + push?
  368. # [22:35] <timeless> local commits will only cause pain if you don't push at some point :)
  369. # [22:36] <tantek> abort: authorization failed
  370. # [22:37] <timeless> cool
  371. # [22:37] <tantek> on the hg push
  372. # [22:37] <tantek> so no
  373. # [22:37] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith should be able to resolve that, I guess
  374. # [22:37] <timeless> well, now you know you aren't in the right group :)
  375. # [22:37] <timeless> yeah, => MikeSmith
  376. # [22:37] <tantek> no, fullscreen is dual group
  377. # [22:37] <tantek> webapps and csswg
  378. # [22:37] <tantek> only need to be in one
  379. # [22:37] <timeless> is your username right?
  380. # [22:37] <timeless> well
  381. # [22:37] <timeless> it's possible it isn't properly configured ;-)
  382. # [22:38] <tantek> yes, just double-checked that
  383. # [22:38] <Ms2ger> There is no inherent relation between charters and the HG config
  384. # [22:38] <tantek> Ms2ger - so who maintains the hg config?
  385. # [22:38] <Ms2ger> Especially because the HG repo was set up before the charters
  386. # [22:38] <timeless> staff/team
  387. # [22:38] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, I suppose
  388. # [22:38] <timeless> in your case, for today, MikeSmith
  389. # [22:38] <tantek> #sysreq?
  390. # [22:39] <timeless> really just MikeSmith
  391. # [22:39] <timeless> /msg / mailto:
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  394. # [22:39] <timeless> it's roughly a team contact for the appropriate WGs who knows enough to understand that you should be able to do it
  395. # [22:39] <tantek> MikeSmith, could you give me (w3c.username = Tantekelik) write permissions to http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/fullscreen/ ? thanks! -tantek
  396. # [22:39] <timeless> which is more or less MikeSmith
  397. # [22:40] <tantek> timeless - my name is already on the spec as an editor
  398. # [22:40] <timeless> tantek: we have docs in other groups where spec editor's aren't in the groups
  399. # [22:40] <timeless> either because the spec was more or less "appropriated" from another group
  400. # [22:40] <timeless> or because the person left the group
  401. # [22:40] * tantek goes to request sysreq to see if it will work
  402. # [22:40] <timeless> heh
  403. # [22:40] <timeless> it probably would
  404. # [22:41] <timeless> but from a "i'm not sure it's reasonable to ask someone to figure out that it's ok to do it"
  405. # [22:41] <timeless> i wouldn't ask them
  406. # [22:41] <timeless> :)
  407. # [22:41] <tantek> timeless - we'll see what kind of challenge/response protocols are followed
  408. # [22:42] <tantek> and document accordingly
  409. # [22:43] <tantek> and now to see who takes care of it first.
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