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  61. # [14:59] <Lachy> ArtB, today's the deadline for the selectors-api last call and the only comment that needed to be addressed was this one. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2012AprJun/1389.html
  62. # [15:00] <ArtB> So Lachy, the changes you made to the LC are then non-substantive (from the W3C process perspective)?
  63. # [15:00] <ArtB> s/to the LC/to the LC's ED/
  64. # [15:01] <Lachy> well, that depends how you define substantiative. It was a rather big, though accidental, omission of an entire paragraph that defines important things, but the definition of which hasn't substantially changed real implementation requirements
  65. # [15:03] <ArtB> Given that characterization, it seems like we should be able to convince the Director the spec is ready to move to CR
  66. # [15:03] <ArtB> If no additional substantive comments are submitted today, tomorrow I can start a CfC for CR.
  67. # [15:04] <ArtB> Lachy, what do you recommend for CR length?
  68. # [15:04] <Lachy> what's the minimum?
  69. # [15:05] <ArtB> unlike LC which has a 3-week min, I don't think there is a minimum for CR
  70. # [15:05] <ArtB> (I think that gives some flexibility to specs that are effectively CR-ready when their LC is published)
  71. # [15:06] <ArtB> we should probably look at it from the "how long will do we think it will take before we meet the CR exit criteria"
  72. # [15:07] <ArtB> and I assume - and please let me know your thoughts on this - the CR exit criteria would be same as the previous CR
  73. # [15:08] <Lachy> the implementation report is here http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/selectors-api-testsuite/level1-baseline-report.html
  74. # [15:08] <Lachy> that applies to the updated test suite, which based on some of the tests being changed, now has all implementations failing a few things.
  75. # [15:08] <ArtB> the exit criteria from the 2009 CR is "demonstrated that at least two complete implementations exist which pass the Test Suite"
  76. # [15:09] <ArtB> ok, so when do we expect to get at least 2 impls to pass *all* of the tests?
  77. # [15:09] <Ms2ger> I believe Firefox 16 will pass the NamespaceError tests, at least
  78. # [15:10] <Lachy> Opera will pass the namespaces tests in the next release too.
  79. # [15:10] <ArtB> so by end of August?
  80. # [15:10] <Ms2ger> And it looks like IE and Chrome pass the TypeError test
  81. # [15:11] <ArtB> I don't think we have to be overly concerned about the exit date; just try to be realistic to help set expectations
  82. # [15:11] <Lachy> if IE and Chrome and pass the namespace tests by then, and if Chrome can fix the bug in the :target selector test, then maybe
  83. # [15:12] <Ms2ger> Do we need two browsers passing all the tests, or each test being passed by two browsers?
  84. # [15:12] <ArtB> so, given a 1-week CfC for CR and probably another 1-2 weeks for the mandatory Director's call, realistically, it won't get published until mid August
  85. # [15:12] <ArtB> we can decided the criteria but I think the most common criteria is each test must be passed by two implementations
  86. # [15:13] <Lachy> Ms2ger, good question. I can't remember what we decided on that issue last time around.
  87. # [15:14] <Lachy> If we say all tests each pass in at least two implementations, then we could meet the criteria faster than if we say two implementations each passing 100%
  88. # [15:14] <annevk> did we change it to only throw one type of exception?
  89. # [15:14] <ArtB> yes, true Lachy
  90. # [15:14] <ArtB> so I tend to favor that criteria ;-)
  91. # [15:14] <Ms2ger> annevk, correct
  92. # [15:14] <annevk> okay good
  93. # [15:15] <Lachy> annevk, technically two, if you count TypeError and SyntaxError
  94. # [15:15] <Lachy> NamespaceError is gone.
  95. # [15:16] <Ms2ger> ArtB, what do you think about throwing out http://w3c-test.org/webapps/ElementTraversal/tests/ now that these tests also exist in the DOM4 test suite?
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  97. # [15:18] <ArtB> Ms2ger - redundant tests do indeed create problems. How about making a proposal to p-w-testsuite?
  98. # [15:25] <Ms2ger> Sent
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  100. # [15:31] <ArtB> thanks Ms2ger
  101. # [15:31] <Ms2ger> Np
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