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  64. # [15:32] <ArtB> chaals - fyi, I added a couple of "potential topics" for WebApps' f2f meeting
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  69. # [16:17] <ArtB> Lachy, if we do as you suggest in http://www.w3.org/mid/5072E2CC.9040501@lachy.id.au does that mean the Selectors v1 would be ready for CR "as is"?
  70. # [16:21] <Lachy> Yes, I think so, if the rest of the group is ok with that. Although, there was that other semi-major change that was made to the editor's draft, which was really only an accidental omission. But I'm not sure if that really counts as a substantitive change that would prevent it from going to CR.
  71. # [16:24] <Lachy> I'm referring to this change http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2006/webapi/selectors-api/Overview.html.diff?r1=1.113;r2=1.114;f=h
  72. # [16:30] <chaals> doesn't look like a normative change in any way...
  73. # [16:31] <chaals> since I don't see how you would read the aerlier version other than by assuming the edit that clarifies.
  74. # [16:32] <chaals> Lachy: did you make the change in response to someone actually getting it wrong, or just to make it more obvious for someone who didn't understand easily (or in the hypothetical case that such a person exists)?
  75. # [16:33] <Lachy> Are you referring to the changes in response to this? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2012JulSep/0781.html
  76. # [16:34] <chaals> I'm working backwards from what I see in this channel :)
  77. # [16:34] <Lachy> I didn't make any changes relating to the comments in selectors issue.
  78. # [16:35] <chaals> So, we have:
  79. # [16:35] <Lachy> oh, you mean the omitted paragraph.
  80. # [16:35] <chaals> right.
  81. # [16:36] <Lachy> that was added when someone pointed it out that it wasn't defined.
  82. # [16:36] <chaals> ok, no problem.
  83. # [16:37] <chaals> (responses to David clarifying what happens - even as non-normative "in human terms, the algorithm does…" seem almost guaranteed not to break stuff.)
  84. # [16:37] <ArtB> (http://www.w3.org/mid/gemini.m6c4ma00aadc0072i.stewart.brodie@antplc.com from Stewart Brodie)
  85. # [16:38] <chaals> We have a test suite, right...
  86. # [16:39] <chaals> has it been through approval?
  87. # [16:39] <chaals> It shows implementation that works.
  88. # [16:40] <chaals> (and for that matter, caniuse.com claims it works "everywhere")
  89. # [16:40] <Lachy> we have http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/selectors-api-testsuite/
  90. # [16:40] <Lachy> see implementation report linked from there.
  91. # [16:41] <chaals> So we note that what happens in the comments case is undefined, and expect it to be sorted in v2
  92. # [16:41] <Lachy> It may also be possible to address the parsing issue entirely within Selectors 4
  93. # [16:41] <Lachy> I'll have to follow up with the CSS WG about that.
  94. # [16:43] <chaals> ns|div fails because…. (I know I have asked this 5 times, but I forget each time)
  95. # [16:43] <chaals> (do browsers handle that selector natively in CSS?)
  96. # [16:43] <chaals> (anyway, I am not certain that it matters...)
  97. # [16:44] <Lachy> ns|div fails because of the change from NamespaeError to SyntaxError for all errors.
  98. # [16:45] <chaals> (the browsers throw the wrong error in other words?)
  99. # [16:46] <Lachy> yes
  100. # [16:46] <chaals> Any evidence that they are going to change that?
  101. # [16:47] <chaals> (why was the spec changed?)
  102. # [16:47] <Lachy> Yes. Opera changed internally in core. I believe Firefox had a patch filed to fix it. I think WebKit too, but can't remember.
  103. # [16:48] <Lachy> so it's just a matter of waiting for release cycles to catch up.
  104. # [16:49] * chaals confirms he has a public version of Opera where it passes
  105. # [16:49] * chaals goes for another test...
  106. # [16:50] <Lachy> the spec was changed because a) the distinction is not useful to developers. b) there were cases where it was ambiguous about which error it should show, c) it's a trivial change that simplifies the API
  107. # [16:51] <Lachy> chaals, which public version of opera passes?
  108. # [16:51] <Lachy> latest beta?
  109. # [16:51] <chaals> 12.10 build 1618 (Opera Next)
  110. # [16:51] <Lachy> ok
  111. # [16:52] <chaals> (Yandex Browser fails 9 tests including ns|div :S )
  112. # [16:52] <Lachy> same as Chromium.
  113. # [16:52] <Lachy> as expected.
  114. # [16:53] <Lachy> Why did they call it Yandex browser instead of Yabrowser
  115. # [16:53] <Lachy> for "yet another browser"
  116. # [16:54] <chaals> Yowser
  117. # [16:54] <chaals> Яаузер
  118. # [16:54] <chaals> Хмм. *Яузер
  119. # [16:54] <Lachy> translation?
  120. # [16:55] <Lachy> is that Yowser in Russion?
  121. # [16:58] <chaals> Yauser ...
  122. # [16:58] <chaals> roughly. So yeah.
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