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  56. # [14:07] <Lachy> ArtB, I need to get the selectors api testsuite approved. The instructions say I should send an RfR to public-webapps-testsuite and specify a deadline. What's a reasonable deadline to set?
  57. # [14:09] <ArtB> hi lachy, it's a `boat load` of tests so probably at least two weeks
  58. # [14:09] <Lachy> well, we have TPAC next week, so how about I say mid-November?
  59. # [14:10] <ArtB> how about Nov 14 − 3 weeks?
  60. # [14:10] <Lachy> ok
  61. # [14:11] <ArtB> cool; thanks!
  62. # [14:11] <ArtB> lachy, btw, did you remove the test(s) as Boris suggested?
  63. # [14:11] <Lachy> Yes
  64. # [14:12] <Lachy> and added a few more in the process
  65. # [14:13] <ArtB> have you had a chance to run the set you will submit for RfR?
  66. # [14:13] <ArtB> (wondering how close we are to CR exit criteria)
  67. # [14:18] <Lachy> yes, the implementation report is published. http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/selectors-api-testsuite/level1-baseline-report.html
  68. # [14:20] <Lachy> Every test is passed by at least two implementations. But no implementation passes everything
  69. # [14:29] <Lachy> ArtB, will the removal of hasFeature() affect the progress of the spec to CR or PR?
  70. # [14:30] <Lachy> I hope not, because although it's a normative change, it's irrelevant because that new DOM spec Boris pointed to defines that it should return true anyway.
  71. # [14:31] <Lachy> I guess we could just say it didn't make the cut due to lack of implementation.
  72. # [14:32] <ArtB> hi Lachy, I was wondering the same thing re the consequences of removing that feature
  73. # [14:32] <ArtB> I'd like to hear Chaals' opinion on that since he's been following Selectors a lot more closely than me
  74. # [14:32] <ArtB> we could chat about it next week
  75. # [14:32] <Lachy> ok
  76. # [14:33] <ArtB> Lachy, was it marked as a Feature @ Risk when the last LC was published?
  77. # [14:33] <Lachy> no
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  79. # [14:37] <ArtB> lachy, btw I *really* like your ImpReport!
  80. # [14:37] <Lachy> :-)
  81. # [14:37] <ArtB> was that a lot of work to generate?
  82. # [14:37] <Lachy> no
  83. # [14:37] <Lachy> I did it by hand, but wasn't so much effort. The time consuming part was marking the failures for each implementation.
  84. # [14:38] <ArtB> did you talk to MikeSmith or PLH or one of the testing people about adding your suite to the framework i.e. http://w3c-test.org/framework/app/suite
  85. # [14:39] <Lachy> not yet
  86. # [14:39] <ArtB> (#testing is the typical channel for such discussions)
  87. # [14:39] <ArtB> I ask because I'm wondering if using the framework could facilitate creating an Implementation Report
  88. # [14:40] <ArtB> (in general)
  89. # [14:40] <Lachy> looks like it's already in the list on that page
  90. # [14:41] <ArtB> yes but it appears whoever added it didn't quite understand how to add it
  91. # [14:42] <ArtB> … such that all of the tests can be run via the framework
  92. # [14:42] <Lachy> what did they do wrongly?
  93. # [14:42] <Lachy> it's missing the XHTML tests though.
  94. # [14:43] <Lachy> but that's probably because I renamed the file and it can't find the old filename
  95. # [14:43] <ArtB> well, I don't know how it "works" exactly but my expectation is that the "results" button would present roughly the same data as your impl report
  96. # [14:43] <ArtB> … assuming someone had used the framework to run the tests via the same set of browsers
  97. # [14:44] <ArtB> just to be clear - I'm not trying to create any "make work" here in that I think your ImplReport is well done
  98. # [14:45] <Lachy> any results on there are likely to be from the old version of the testsuite
  99. # [14:45] <Lachy> all of those old tests have been replaced now.
  100. # [14:46] <ArtB> oh, I see, so therefore that data is *not* appropriate for the CR ImplReport; got it
  101. # [14:51] <ArtB> Lachy, just to finish up here re my thinking about the framework and ImplReports, perhaps the framework _could_ help some Test Facilitators create their Impl Report. For example this could be the start/basis for a Web Storage ImplReport http://w3c-test.org/framework/app/suite/web-storage-dev/results/scope=full
  102. # [14:52] <Lachy> ArtB, yeah, that would be nice. But the report really needs to be redesigned, or at least more clearly documented.
  103. # [14:53] <Lachy> It's not clear what those results mean.
  104. # [14:54] <ArtB> Yes, I agree the data "as is" would not be sufficient for a static ImplReport
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