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  1. # Session Start: Thu Jan 31 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #webapps
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  30. # [09:03] <MikeSmith> glenn: publicly bullying roc isn't going to win you any friends
  31. # [09:03] <MikeSmith> though it's probably going to lose you some
  32. # [09:04] <MikeSmith> made me lose a lot of respect for you
  33. # [09:04] <MikeSmith> way out of line
  34. # [09:04] <MikeSmith> and your follow-up trying to justify your first message was even worse
  35. # [09:05] <MikeSmith> "I've raised this complaint to Robert in the past privately, and he said he would desist"
  36. # [09:07] <MikeSmith> if you want everybody to think really badly of you, this would be a great way to do it
  37. # [09:09] <MikeSmith> glenn: do you also somehow feel forced to read through every work of the long legal disclaimers that people tack onto the e-mail messages they send to WG lists?
  38. # [09:22] <glenn> MikeSmith: as far as i'm concerned, ROC is out of line for pushing his religious views in a technical forum;
  39. # [09:22] <MikeSmith> he's not pushing anything man
  40. # [09:23] <MikeSmith> you are
  41. # [09:23] <glenn> obviously we disagree, so let's leave it there
  42. # [09:23] <MikeSmith> you'ee the one pushing here
  43. # [09:23] <MikeSmith> no let's not
  44. # [09:23] <MikeSmith> I'm going to ask the chairs to warn you formally
  45. # [09:23] <glenn> feel free to do so
  46. # [09:24] <MikeSmith> and I am going to point this out to other people on the team as well
  47. # [09:24] <glenn> go ahead Mike, i stand by my statements
  48. # [09:25] <MikeSmith> yeah can see you're a real man of tolerance
  49. # [09:25] <glenn> not when it comes to religion
  50. # [09:26] <MikeSmith> oh I see
  51. # [09:26] <glenn> or let me correct that, not when it comes to religious proselytization
  52. # [09:27] <MikeSmith> because you personally believe that it's OK to be intolerant and abusive to someone as a long as it's about religion
  53. # [09:27] <glenn> i have no problem with religious expression in the appropriate context
  54. # [09:28] <MikeSmith> and so you're the one who gets to choose where it's appropriate and where it's not?
  55. # [09:28] <MikeSmith> and who says it's "religious proselytization"?
  56. # [09:29] <MikeSmith> you are simply interepreting it that way
  57. # [09:29] <MikeSmith> they are quotes
  58. # [09:29] <MikeSmith> from a book
  59. # [09:29] <MikeSmith> other people include quotes in the sigs
  60. # [09:29] <MikeSmith> it's not exactly like he's done something new hwere
  61. # [09:30] <MikeSmith> glenn: speaking for the team, there is nothing inappropriate about roc's messages
  62. # [09:30] <glenn> it's really pointless to have this conversation mike; you don't understand my motives and i'm not inclined to explain
  63. # [09:30] <glenn> also, i don't accept that you are speaking for the team here
  64. # [09:30] <MikeSmith> ok
  65. # [09:31] <MikeSmith> I am
  66. # [09:31] <glenn> ok, you may say so, but i don't accept it on face value
  67. # [09:31] <MikeSmith> and I plan to speak with Tim about this personally
  68. # [09:31] <MikeSmith> and about you
  69. # [09:31] <glenn> go ahead Mike, that's your prerogative
  70. # [09:31] <MikeSmith> what you did was abusive
  71. # [09:32] <glenn> obviously i don't agree, and, in fact, my position is that ROC abuses me everytime he adds a trailer of this sort
  72. # [09:32] <MikeSmith> personaly I would like to see you banned from the list permanently
  73. # [09:33] <glenn> ok mike, i get it, tell everyone and anyone you like your feelings
  74. # [09:33] <MikeSmith> you're often a poisonness person in your list communications
  75. # [09:33] <glenn> it doesn't change my position
  76. # [09:33] <glenn> any other insults you wish to throw my way this evening?
  77. # [09:33] <MikeSmith> insults?
  78. # [09:34] <MikeSmith> you don't think the word "rubbish" is insulting?
  79. # [09:34] <glenn> you just called me a "poisonous person"
  80. # [09:34] <MikeSmith> that's a fine, neutral, appropriate term?
  81. # [09:35] <MikeSmith> glenn: you have never heard the term "poisonous person" used before?
  82. # [09:35] <MikeSmith> it's not meant to be insulting
  83. # [09:35] <glenn> ok, i could have been more diplomatic i admit; i was originally going to use "tripe" but looked it up and it said "rubbish" which resonated more to me
  84. # [09:35] <MikeSmith> it is a term used in cases like this to describe a pattern of behavior
  85. # [09:35] <MikeSmith> "resonated"
  86. # [09:35] <MikeSmith> wow
  87. # [09:36] <MikeSmith> glenn: I honestly wasn't trying to insult you by what I said
  88. # [09:36] <glenn> as far as i'm concerned, ROC's addition of these trailers is just an invitation for such conflict, so i was just giving him what he is asking for
  89. # [09:37] <MikeSmith> the full context of what I said was, "you're often a poisonness person in your list communications"
  90. # [09:37] <MikeSmith> not that you are absolutely "poisonness" person
  91. # [09:37] <MikeSmith> it's that you act in this way sometimes
  92. # [09:37] <MikeSmith> and I really don't understand it
  93. # [09:38] <MikeSmith> because I've met you in person
  94. # [09:38] <MikeSmith> and I know you
  95. # [09:38] <MikeSmith> and I know you are a nice person
  96. # [09:38] <glenn> well, i'm not sure what you mean by "poisonous person" here
  97. # [09:38] <MikeSmith> glenn: the context is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q52kFL8zVoM
  98. # [09:39] <MikeSmith> I really thought you were familiar with the term
  99. # [09:39] <MikeSmith> http://www.dragosroua.com/how-to-avoid-being-a-toxic-person-13-simple-tips/
  100. # [09:43] <glenn> well, let's see, I don't exhibit OCD, so that doesn't apply
  101. # [09:44] <glenn> I'm not much for bikeshedding either
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  103. # [09:47] <glenn> so, let's see, polite, respect, trust, humility; well, in general, i'm polite, respect technical contributions, trust [people that deserve it]; humility... not particularly... what's the point
  104. # [09:49] <glenn> well, i don't have an hour to watch the rest of the video, but as far as i can see, i'm not a poisonous person
  105. # [09:54] <glenn> have a good day Mike, I won't take your comments above personally
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