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  1. # Session Start: Fri Mar 15 00:00:00 2013
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  36. # [11:57] <Github> [telephony] none pushed 0 new commits to gh-pages: http://git.io/f-XM-A
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  59. # [16:44] * timeless darobin : eh, what does it mean for `none` to push `0 new commits`? did it push Inf or NaN old commits?
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  61. # [16:51] <darobin> I have no idea timeless, I didn't write that bot!
  62. # [16:52] * timeless sure, but perhaps you have an idea who might be touching the repo? :)
  63. # [16:52] <Ms2ger> Marcos
  64. # [16:52] <darobin> it was marcos indeed
  65. # [16:52] <darobin> you can see the commit history
  66. # [16:53] <timeless> ok, so ... why did it get assigned to `none` and for `0 new commits`? :)
  67. # [16:53] * timeless pokes marcos (in absentia)
  68. # [16:54] * timeless finds github incredibly unusable
  69. # [16:58] <tobie> timeless: where is that?
  70. # [16:58] <timeless> ?
  71. # [16:58] <timeless> 6:54 AM <Github> [telephony] none pushed 0 new commits to gh-pages: http://git.io/f-XM-A
  72. # [16:59] <timeless> the rest is just github's general ui. which sucks
  73. # [17:00] <timeless> e.g. w**** am i supposed to do from the page i reach from that link?
  74. # [17:00] <timeless> it asks me a question i don't understand, and has no help
  75. # [17:01] <timeless> if i hit `(x)` [go away/don't bug me/get out of my way], i'm left with a page which is essentially empty (probably because it's comparing a changeset to itself, which is presumably useless and meaningless)
  76. # [17:01] <timeless> ... but there's no obvious way to get from that to anything remotely useful ... like... e.g. the actual changeset?
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  79. # [17:02] <timeless> tobie: seriously, could someone from Facebook's UI team please teach the github people how to do UIs that aren't scary? :)
  80. # [17:03] <tobie> timeless: what are you trying to do?
  81. # [17:03] <timeless> follow the link and see something?
  82. # [17:04] <timeless> (really, that's all, i have no greater goal in this visit to github)
  83. # [17:04] <tobie> well, you're comparing two indentical trees.
  84. # [17:04] <timeless> sure
  85. # [17:04] <timeless> but clearly the user has been given a bad suggestion
  86. # [17:04] <tobie> so the delta is the empty set.
  87. # [17:04] <timeless> (here, the github bot is to blame)
  88. # [17:04] <timeless> sure
  89. # [17:04] <timeless> but the logical thing to suggest is that instead of comparing X to itself, one might instead want to just look at X
  90. # [17:05] <timeless> there's no easy/obvious way to get to that result
  91. # [17:05] <tobie> github bot?
  92. # [17:05] <tobie> no such thing exists.
  93. # [17:05] <timeless> it was in this channel 6 hours ago
  94. # [17:05] <Ms2ger> Hah
  95. # [17:05] <tobie> oh.
  96. # [17:05] <timeless> pay attention!
  97. # [17:05] <tobie> haha
  98. # [17:05] <tobie> but that certainly isn't GitHub's doing/
  99. # [17:06] <tobie> s/\//./
  100. # [17:06] <timeless> well, any stupid system can generate a link to this page
  101. # [17:06] <timeless> such a page is obviously easy to reach/generate :)
  102. # [17:06] <timeless> but assume you do get stranded there
  103. # [17:06] <darobin> timeless: on that "empty" page there's a link that says "Commits"
  104. # [17:06] <darobin> with all the useful info
  105. # [17:06] <darobin> I think this was just a bot bug
  106. # [17:06] <timeless> the most logical thing to want to do, is to want to see the actual changeset
  107. # [17:07] <timeless> darobin: if there are 1e6 commits
  108. # [17:07] <timeless> then clicking `commits` isn't going to be very helpful
  109. # [17:07] <timeless> you're much more likely to care about the rev for which you're looking at (twice!) than all 1e6-1 commits
  110. # [17:07] <timeless> there are two buttons in the content area which would /almost/ link to the right thing
  111. # [17:08] <timeless> but they don't, instead they give you a dialog, which is stupid
  112. # [17:08] * timeless wonders what happens if you try to diff a shorthash that has a collision against that same shorthash :)
  113. # [17:26] <ArtB> tobie, re the CfC I am writing re WebApps' test move to GH, is it fair/accurate to say you are leading the effort to move the tests?
  114. # [17:27] <tobie> ArtB: think darobin will probably be doing this.
  115. # [17:27] <tobie> ArtB: but you can put us both down if you want.
  116. # [17:27] <ArtB> ok, I'll say you two + Odin?
  117. # [17:27] <ArtB> or just you two?
  118. # [17:27] <darobin> add Odin
  119. # [17:27] <tobie> there you go.
  120. # [17:27] <darobin> tobie's the boss of testing at W3C
  121. # [17:28] <darobin> I've been bossing around the HTML stuff without really being the boss of it
  122. # [17:28] <darobin> so we need some victim for WebApps
  123. # [17:28] <darobin> Odin sounds like a great victim
  124. # [17:28] <tobie> I prefer when you call me Czar.
  125. # [17:28] <ArtB> ok and since he's not here to defend himself, he becomes the perfect candidate ;-)
  126. # [17:28] <darobin> right, Tobievich is is the Testing Czar
  127. # [17:28] <tobie> It ads an exotic and barbaric tone which boss clearly lacks.
  128. # [17:29] <ArtB> I like that name
  129. # [17:29] <tobie> "Les absents ont toujours tort."
  130. # [17:29] <darobin> also, Odin isn't too tall or too thick, so between tobie and I if we get him drunk we might have a chance
  131. # [17:29] <Ms2ger> And probably me
  132. # [17:29] <darobin> toss Ms2ger too, he has strong cross-over appeal to the troll population
  133. # [17:29] * darobin ducks
  134. # [17:30] <Ms2ger> I'm a well-trained troll
  135. # [17:30] <darobin> that was "toss Ms2ger *in* too"
  136. # [17:30] <darobin> don't go tossing him
  137. # [17:30] <darobin> (please)
  138. # [17:30] * Ms2ger tosses darobin off a bridge
  139. # [17:30] <timeless> tobie: fwiw, i don't think Czar is a new term for testing lead in w3 context
  140. # [17:30] <timeless> i seem to remember it being thrown around at the last 2 or 3 tpacs
  141. # [17:30] * darobin sense timeless wants decapitation
  142. # [17:33] <tobie> darobin: that doesn't feel painful enough.
  143. # [17:34] <Ms2ger> Quartering?
  144. # [17:34] <tobie> now we're talking.
  145. # [17:34] * Ms2ger quarters tobie
  146. # [17:35] <tobie> Ms2ger: that's not how it works. Sheesh, people.
  147. # [17:35] <timeless> heh
  148. # [17:35] <tobie> First timeless was complaining about GH, now this.
  149. # [17:36] <tobie> Quartering is good but we need a little extra.
  150. # [17:36] <tobie> Something more modern. Like water-boarding.
  151. # [17:37] <tobie> Water-boarding after quartering would be a first too.
  152. # [17:37] <darobin> quartering is over rather quickly
  153. # [17:38] <tobie> Darn.
  154. # [17:38] <tobie> This conversation is making me slightly sick. Guess I'm not made for that title after all.
  155. # [17:38] <darobin> this guy
  156. # [17:38] <darobin> bah
  157. # [17:39] <darobin> this guy's execution is described at that the beginning of Discipline & Punish
  158. # [17:39] <darobin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert-Fran%C3%A7ois_Damiens
  159. # [17:40] <darobin> After these tearings with the pincers, Damiens, who cried out profusely, though without swearing, raised his head and looked at himself; the same executioner dipped an iron spoon in the pot containing the boiling potion, which he poured liberally over each wound. Then the ropes that were to be harnessed to the horses were attached with cords to the patient’s body; the horses were then harnessed and placed alongside the arms and legs, one at ea
  160. # [17:40] <darobin> ch limb.
  161. # [17:40] <darobin> http://www.executedtoday.com/2008/03/28/1757-robert-francois-damiens-discipline-and-punish/
  162. # [17:41] <darobin> actually, quartering can be slow if the limbs are strong
  163. # [17:42] <darobin> The horses tugged hard, each pulling straight on a limb, each horse held by an executioner. After a quarter of an hour, the same ceremony was repeated and finally, after several attempts, the direction of the horses had to be changed, thus: those at the arms were made to pull towards the head, those at the thighs towards the arms, which broke the arms at the joints. This was repeated several times without success. He raised his head and looked a
  164. # [17:42] <darobin> t himself. Two more horses had to be added to those harnessed to the thighs, which made six horses in all. Without success.
  165. # [17:42] <darobin> Finally, the executioner, Samson, said to Monsieur Le Breton that there was no way or hope of succeeding, and told him to ask their Lordships if they wished him to have the prisoner cut into pieces. Monsieur Le Breton, who had come down from the town, ordered that renewed efforts be made, and this was done; but the horses gave up and one of those harnessed to the thighs fell to the ground.
  166. # [17:42] <darobin> I'll stop there, but you get the idea
  167. # [17:42] <tobie> Clearly, I'm not made for this.
  168. # [17:43] * tobie resigns.
  169. # [17:43] <ArtB> tobie, does automatic mirroring to http://w3c-test.org/webapps/ continue in the New World Order?
  170. # [17:43] <Ms2ger> Yep
  171. # [17:43] <Ms2ger> http://w3c-test.org/web-platform-tests/
  172. # [17:44] <ArtB> so when the copy is done, there will be: http://w3c-test.org/web-platform-tests/webstorage/ ?
  173. # [17:44] <Ms2ger> Yep
  174. # [17:44] <ArtB> what happens when one goes to: http://w3c-test.org/webapps/WebStorage/ ?
  175. # [17:45] <darobin> whatever you want
  176. # [17:45] <tobie> ArtB: I'll also be looking at solutions to archive copies of all comments made on GH.
  177. # [17:45] <darobin> we can throw in some htaccess redirects
  178. # [17:45] <ArtB> yeah, we may want to do that
  179. # [17:46] <darobin> tobie: if you want next week we can try bridging that to The Library, see if we can do something useful with it
  180. # [17:46] <darobin> (or at the very least easily back them up)
  181. # [17:46] <ArtB> and the fate of http://w3c-test.org/framework/app/suite ?
  182. # [17:47] <Ms2ger> Still quite useless
  183. # [17:47] <darobin> that's getting an update
  184. # [17:47] <darobin> within the times to come
  185. # [17:47] <ArtB> yeah, I don't use it any more
  186. # [17:47] <darobin> one that works
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  188. # [17:47] <darobin> and does useful stuff
  189. # [17:55] <tobie> Replacement for the test framework is being budgeted as part of the new testing effort.
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