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  52. # [09:13] <Sirisian> Hixie, I have found a grave oversight in canvas2D. Has anyone mentioned polar gradients? They don't exist in canvas or SVG.
  53. # [09:14] <Sirisian> http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/canvas/gradient_angle_masked.png this if it isn't clear
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  58. # [10:32] <cabanier> Sirisian: talk to Tab
  59. # [10:32] <cabanier> Sirisian: they are not that important IMO
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  105. # [17:45] * ArtB changes topic to 'WebAppsWG; WebComponents call May 20 @ 09:00 SFO time; Agenda = http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014AprJun/0488.html ; PIN = 9274#'
  106. # [17:45] <ArtB> dglazkov, I'll start the RRSAgent and Zakim bots a couple of mins before the call starts
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  108. # [17:46] <dglazkov> yay!
  109. # [17:48] <ArtB> yves, MikeSmith, shepazu - can RRSAgent handle more than 1 simultaneous Scribes?
  110. # [17:48] <ArtB> where `handle` here includes formatting the mins and such?
  111. # [17:51] <ArtB> dglazkov, are there any specific bugs you want to discuss during the meeting?
  112. # [17:56] <xiaoqian> Hi ArtB
  113. # [17:56] <xiaoqian> Yes, it does
  114. # [17:56] <ArtB> xiaoqian, so do something like:
  115. # [17:56] <xiaoqian> If you do do "scribe username" multiple time it will add username to the scribe list
  116. # [17:56] <ArtB> Scribe: Art, Cindy
  117. # [17:57] <ArtB> ScribeNick: ArtB, xiaoqian
  118. # [17:57] <ArtB> ?
  119. # [17:57] <xiaoqian> Nope, I think it will be:
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  121. # [17:58] <ArtB> zakim, this will be RWC_WAPI
  122. # [17:58] <Zakim> ok, ArtB; I see RWC_WAPI()12:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
  123. # [17:59] <dglazkov> ArtB: not yet. This is our first time, not even sure what the interest will be like
  124. # [17:59] <ArtB> gotcha
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  126. # [17:59] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/05/20-webapps-irc
  127. # [17:59] <ArtB> Scribe: Art
  128. # [17:59] <ArtB> ScribeNick: ArtB
  129. # [17:59] <xiaoqian> ScribeNick: ArtB
  130. # [17:59] <ArtB> Meeting: WebApps / Web Components
  131. # [17:59] <ArtB> Chair: Dimitri
  132. # [17:59] <xiaoqian> Scribe: Art
  133. # [18:00] <ArtB> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014AprJun/0488.html
  134. # [18:01] <Zakim> RWC_WAPI()12:00PM has now started
  135. # [18:01] <Zakim> + +1.650.214.aaaa
  136. # [18:01] <Zakim> +Art_Barstow
  137. # [18:01] <ArtB> zakim, aaaa is Dimitri
  138. # [18:01] <Zakim> +Dimitri; got it
  139. # [18:02] * ArtB Bot cheat sheet https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/Meetings#Meeting_Scribes
  140. # [18:02] <dglazkov> Agenda items:
  141. # [18:02] <ArtB> https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/Meetings#Meeting_Scribes -> Scribe cheat sheet
  142. # [18:02] <dglazkov> * Shadow DOM survey result: https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-SQX77WF/
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  144. # [18:03] <ArtB> Topic: Agenda bashing
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  146. # [18:03] <ArtB> Scribe+ Dimitri
  147. # [18:03] <ArtB> ScribeNick+ dglazkov
  148. # [18:03] <dglazkov> * Shadow DOM survey results: ttps://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-SQX77WF/
  149. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Domenic_
  150. # [18:04] <Domenic> Zakim, Domenic_ is me
  151. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Domenic; got it
  152. # [18:04] <dglazkov> * Cusotm Elements ES6 update: http://w3c.github.io/webcomponents/spec/custom/#es6
  153. # [18:04] <ArtB> Present: Domenic, Dimitri, Art
  154. # [18:04] <dglazkov> s/Cusotm/Custom
  155. # [18:04] <Zakim> + +1.206.612.aabb
  156. # [18:06] <ArtB> zakim, aabb is Deen
  157. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Deen; got it
  158. # [18:06] <ArtB> Present+ Deen
  159. # [18:06] <xiaoqian_> zakim, call xiaoqian-mobile
  160. # [18:06] <Zakim> ok, xiaoqian_; the call is being made
  161. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Xiaoqian
  162. # [18:06] * ArtB Bot cheat sheet: https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/Meetings#Meeting_Scribes
  163. # [18:06] * Domenic zomg so useful
  164. # [18:06] <xiaoqian_> Scribe: Dimitri
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  166. # [18:07] <xiaoqian_> ScribeNick: dglazkov
  167. # [18:07] * dglazkov thanks ArtB!
  168. # [18:08] <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
  169. # [18:08] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/20-webapps-minutes.html ArtB
  170. # [18:08] <dglazkov> Present+ Domenic
  171. # [18:08] <dglazkov> Present+ Deen
  172. # [18:08] <ArtB> RRSAgent, make log Public
  173. # [18:08] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, ArtB
  174. # [18:08] <dglazkov> Present+ dglazkov
  175. # [18:09] <dglazkov> Let's get started?
  176. # [18:09] <dglazkov> First up: Shadow DOM survey
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  178. # [18:10] <ArtB> ScribeNick: ArtB
  179. # [18:10] <ArtB> Topic: Shadow DOM survey
  180. # [18:10] <ArtB> DG: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014AprJun/0398.html
  181. # [18:10] <ArtB> … 20 responses
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  183. # [18:10] <ArtB> … want to get feedback from those actually using Shadow DOM
  184. # [18:10] <ArtB> … not sure how trustworthy the results are
  185. # [18:11] <ArtB> … but the top 4-5 have the most weight
  186. # [18:11] <ArtB> … first item is significant
  187. # [18:11] <ArtB> … closed shadow trees was very low vote even though we talked about it; thus, it appears developers don't care much about it
  188. # [18:12] <ArtB> DG: results are https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-SQX77WF/
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  190. # [18:12] <ArtB> DD: need to clarify some definitions
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  192. # [18:13] <Domenic> In particular, wondering about shadow as function
  193. # [18:13] <dglazkov> http://blog.quickui.org/2013/11/08/filling-slots-in-shadow/
  194. # [18:13] <ArtB> … that is, need clarification on "shadow-as-function"
  195. # [18:14] <ArtB> DG: currently, older shadow is one participant
  196. # [18:14] <ArtB> … how distributed elements interact
  197. # [18:14] <ArtB> … shadow-as-function give special argument style where contents is distributed into shadow tree
  198. # [18:15] <ArtB> DD: related to imperative API?
  199. # [18:15] <ArtB> DG: no, this about distribution
  200. # [18:15] <ArtB> … imperative API is ranked #6 in the survey
  201. # [18:16] <ArtB> … I would like to work on that but not a high priority for devs based on the survey
  202. # [18:16] <ArtB> … so I think I'll focus on the other items
  203. # [18:16] <ArtB> DD: encapsulation is important to encapsulate video tag (for Servo)
  204. # [18:16] <ArtB> DG: yeah, the devs and implementers have diff priorities
  205. # [18:17] <ArtB> … this survey was targeted at devs
  206. # [18:17] <ArtB> DD: some of the stuff in the middle is more conceptual
  207. # [18:17] <ArtB> … and thus isn't necessarily a high prio for devs or implementers
  208. # [18:18] <ArtB> … clear theming support is the highest prio
  209. # [18:18] <ArtB> DG: think surveys like this can be helpful for other topics
  210. # [18:18] <ArtB> … pleased to see 20 responses
  211. # [18:18] <ArtB> … if there were only 5 or less, I'd be concerned
  212. # [18:19] <ArtB> … if too small a sample, it raises questions on validity
  213. # [18:19] <ArtB> AB: nice to see this survey
  214. # [18:19] <ArtB> … this was the first time we used one
  215. # [18:20] <ArtB> DD: yes agree the survey was good
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  217. # [18:20] <ArtB> Topic: ES6 and Custom Elements
  218. # [18:20] <ArtB> DG: did some work with Arv re ES6 and Custom Elements
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  220. # [18:20] <Domenic> wooohooo!!
  221. # [18:20] <dksmith> Found a mobile IRC client... Woot!
  222. # [18:20] <ArtB> DG: spec now is more ES5 but would like to change it to be more aligned with ES6
  223. # [18:20] <dglazkov> http://w3c.github.io/webcomponents/spec/custom/#es6
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  225. # [18:21] <ArtB> DG: algorithms in ES6 are much more clear
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  227. # [18:21] <ArtB> … f.ex. throw for some errors
  228. # [18:21] <ArtB> … can now specify things I used to `hand wave` before
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  230. # [18:22] <ArtB> … can eliminate a lot of prose
  231. # [18:22] <ArtB> DD: really glad to hear this
  232. # [18:22] <ArtB> … think more Web specs should follow this more precise way to write specs
  233. # [18:22] <ArtB> DG: at one point I thought I should just write JS ;-)
  234. # [18:22] <ArtB> [ laughs … ]
  235. # [18:23] <ArtB> DD: with Promises spec and Streams spec I'm using this same rigor
  236. # [18:23] <ArtB> DG: docRegisterElement in ES6 returns value you gave to it
  237. # [18:24] <ArtB> … this is different behavior; not sure how many people noticed this
  238. # [18:24] <ArtB> DD: how does this fit with class syntax?
  239. # [18:24] <ArtB> DG: fine/ok
  240. # [18:24] <ArtB> … just works
  241. # [18:25] <ArtB> Topic: AoB or Other Agenda Items
  242. # [18:25] <ArtB> DG: anything else?
  243. # [18:26] * dglazkov dksmith!!!
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  246. # [18:27] <ArtB> AB: there is lots of flexibility re the structure of the meeting
  247. # [18:27] <ArtB> … some meetings can be very bug fixed
  248. # [18:27] <ArtB> DG: yes, I like that
  249. # [18:27] <ArtB> DD: also good to have an opp to understand the bigger picture
  250. # [18:28] <ArtB> AB: I agree Domenic
  251. # [18:28] <ArtB> DKS: would also be helpful to get a review of important bugs
  252. # [18:28] <ArtB> DG: yes, can structure the first part re more general topics
  253. # [18:29] <ArtB> … and then the second part is detailed bugs
  254. # [18:29] <ArtB> DG: one issue is the Shadow DOM Editor and the time of this call
  255. # [18:29] <ArtB> … can we alternate the calls?
  256. # [18:30] <ArtB> … f.ex. one time friendly to US and another friendly to Asia
  257. # [18:30] <ArtB> AB: yes, we can make that happen
  258. # [18:30] <ArtB> DG: another Q/Issue is to get more Web devs to participate
  259. # [18:30] <ArtB> … I was hoping some non-browser people would participate
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  261. # [18:33] <Zakim> -Deen
  262. # [18:33] <Zakim> -Xiaoqian
  263. # [18:33] <ArtB> AB: I think the meeting can be organized to facilitate devs participation
  264. # [18:33] <ArtB> … we just need to be careful about the provenance of the contribution
  265. # [18:33] <ArtB> DG: meeting adjourned
  266. # [18:33] <Zakim> -Domenic
  267. # [18:33] <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
  268. # [18:33] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/20-webapps-minutes.html ArtB
  269. # [18:33] <Zakim> -Dimitri
  270. # [18:33] <dglazkov> yay!
  271. # [18:33] <Zakim> -Art_Barstow
  272. # [18:33] <Zakim> RWC_WAPI()12:00PM has ended
  273. # [18:33] <Zakim> Attendees were +1.650.214.aaaa, Art_Barstow, Dimitri, Domenic, +1.206.612.aabb, Deen, Xiaoqian
  274. # [18:33] <dglazkov> thank you guys for participating!
  275. # [18:33] <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
  276. # [18:33] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/20-webapps-minutes.html ArtB
  277. # [18:35] <ArtB> Present: Dimitri, Art, Domenic_Denicola, Cindy, Deen
  278. # [18:35] <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
  279. # [18:35] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/20-webapps-minutes.html ArtB
  280. # [18:36] <ArtB> zakim, bye
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  283. # [18:44] <ArtB> RRSAgent, bye
  284. # [18:44] <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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The end :)