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  1. # Session Start: Wed May 21 00:00:00 2014
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  18. # [02:01] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/05/21-webapps-irc
  19. # [02:01] <Travis> RRSAgent: this meeting spans midnight
  20. # [02:01] <RRSAgent> ok, Travis; I will not start a new log at midnight
  21. # [02:01] <Travis> zakim, this is d3e
  22. # [02:01] <Zakim> Travis, I see RWC_WAPI(D3E)8:00PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be d3e".
  23. # [02:02] <Travis> zakim, who is on the phone
  24. # [02:02] <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', Travis
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  27. # [02:10] <garykac> hello?
  28. # [02:10] <masayuki> Hello.
  29. # [02:11] <Travis> Present+ Travis
  30. # [02:11] <Travis> Present+ garykac
  31. # [02:11] <Travis> Present+ masayuki
  32. # [02:11] <garykac> Did you see this posting to public-webapps: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014AprJun/0519.html
  33. # [02:12] <garykac> Regarding the term "default action"
  34. # [02:12] <garykac> We use "default action" through the D3E spec - but it seems like we should use a different term to avoid confusion
  35. # [02:14] <garykac> It seems like we should also call out onclick (and the other two? events) that are inconsistent with the rest of the events
  36. # [02:16] <garykac> See also the discussion at the end of https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12230#c25
  37. # [02:20] <Travis> Topic: things to have done prior to last-call entry
  38. # [02:20] <Travis> What are some of the bugs we'd like to have addressed before last call?
  39. # [02:21] <Travis> (Ideally all bugs, but this is not a requirement)
  40. # [02:21] <Travis> The bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25485 is probably one to address (integration with DOM4)
  41. # [02:23] <Travis> Gary is cooking up a change to https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25723 at the moment as well...
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  43. # [02:25] <masayuki> I want to resolve this https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25683
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  45. # [02:26] <masayuki> even if it's not defined, D3E should define browsers MAY delay to fire some events and they become non-cancelable events.
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  47. # [02:31] <Travis> Makes sense.
  48. # [02:33] <Travis> Let's now review the email we wanted to send last week: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VqwfHyNDtoOoDzZZ7xZlrcxtcy8ZORV1pUoRjRbwJro/edit?pli=1
  49. # [02:33] <Travis> The feedback we got was that some of the prose here is very useful for a conceptual understanding of the algorithms in DOM4.
  50. # [02:36] <Travis> We could consider leaving in (after cleaning up) section 3, while removing only section 4 (the basic event interfaces)
  51. # [02:36] <Travis> Section 4 has an intro graphic which was helpful showing the event's hierarchy
  52. # [02:37] <Travis> But then, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 4.4 are all redundant.
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  54. # [02:42] <Travis> 4.5 also (I noticed that IE adds createEvent to SVGSvgElement
  55. # [02:43] <Travis> ... but no other browser does this)
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  57. # [02:46] <masayuki> IE supports event constructor, why is it added to SVGSvgElement? I think that this should be legacy and browsers shouldn't add support range if there are no resonable reasons.
  58. # [02:48] <masayuki> E.g., for improving compatibility with other browsers.
  59. # [02:49] * Travis doesn't follow
  60. # [02:54] <Travis> (garykac is fixing Fig. 2 right now.)
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  62. # [03:01] <Travis> Proposal for https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25485 is to...
  63. # [03:02] <Travis> Remove the formal IDL definitions of sections 4.1, .2, .3, .4, and .5
  64. # [03:02] <Travis> 2) Move the hierarchy diagram into section 3
  65. # [03:03] <Travis> 3) Run an editorial pass over section 3 to make it officially non-normative
  66. # [03:03] <Travis> (remove the MUST and MAY text in favor of "can" and "might", etc.)
  67. # [03:03] <Travis> (easy reading explainer)
  68. # [03:04] <Travis> We may want a non-normative replacement for the API definitions of DOM4, so that we can cross-link within our document without requiring the reader to leave the spec entirely for the definitions.
  69. # [03:05] <Travis> (Sorry: the IDL definitions currently in section 4)
  70. # [03:07] <garykac> It sounds like we no longer need to send the email out.
  71. # [03:07] <garykac> Since we're going to keep the sections, and only remove the redundant stuff.
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  73. # [03:12] <Travis> Let's see if we can tackle some remaining bugs, and then the editors will attempt this next monday.
  74. # [03:13] <Travis> Does anyone have a conflict with another DOM 3 Events telecon next week?
  75. # [03:14] <masayuki> no problem
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  77. # [03:17] <garykac> See everyone next week - we're hoping (once again) to have most of the bugs resolved by then.
  78. # [03:18] <garykac> I'll finish up figure 2 (and update the spec to remove the "issue")
  79. # [03:23] <Travis> rrsagent, make the minutes
  80. # [03:23] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/21-webapps-minutes.html Travis
  81. # [03:23] <Travis> rrsagent, make logs public
  82. # [03:23] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, Travis
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  152. # [13:29] <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
  153. # [13:29] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/21-webapps-minutes.html ArtB
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  155. # [13:36] <ArtB> rrsagent, bye
  156. # [13:36] <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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  160. # [14:07] <MikeSmith> ArtB: dunno if anybody replied to your question the other day about whether rrsagent will let you have multiple scribes at the same time, but I'm pretty sure it can't
  161. # [14:08] <ArtB> mikesmith, yeah we tried it and no worky
  162. # [14:08] <ArtB> sigh ...
  163. # [14:08] <MikeSmith> yeah sad face
  164. # [14:08] <MikeSmith> there are lots of time where I've wished for that myself
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