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  1. # Session Start: Wed May 28 00:00:01 2014
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  17. # [02:00] <Travis> zakim, this is DOM3
  18. # [02:00] <Zakim> Travis, I see RWC_WAPI(D3E)8:00PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be DOM3".
  19. # [02:00] <Travis> zakim, this will be DOM3
  20. # [02:00] <Zakim> ok, Travis; I see RWC_WAPI(D3E)8:00PM scheduled to start now
  21. # [02:00] <Travis> Present+ Travis
  22. # [02:00] <Travis> Present+ Garykac
  23. # [02:00] <Travis> Scribe: Travis
  24. # [02:01] <Travis> ScribeNick: Travis
  25. # [02:01] <masayuki> Hi,
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  27. # [02:02] <Travis> Hi!
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  29. # [02:03] <Zakim> RWC_WAPI(D3E)8:00PM has now started
  30. # [02:03] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  31. # [02:04] <Travis> Zakim, [Microsoft] is travis and garykac
  32. # [02:04] <Zakim> I don't understand '[Microsoft] is travis and garykac', Travis
  33. # [02:04] <Travis> Zakim, [Microsoft] is travis
  34. # [02:04] <Zakim> +travis; got it
  35. # [02:04] <Travis> (and garykac)
  36. # [02:06] <garykac> We have trimmed a bunch of content from the D3E spec.
  37. # [02:06] <garykac> Basically, the stuff that is already covered in DOM4.
  38. # [02:06] <Travis> (Related to bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25485)
  39. # [02:07] <garykac> We're still in the process of fixing up all the links and text so that it properly refers to right place for each event.
  40. # [02:09] <Travis> Masayuki, you filed a new bug recently: Bug 25888 - The definition of .key value of "RomanCharacters"
  41. # [02:09] <Travis> Would you like to discuss it?
  42. # [02:09] <masayuki> Yeah.
  43. # [02:10] <masayuki> It's strange. Although, I've not checked the Korean IME behavior yet.
  44. # [02:12] <masayuki> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/KeyboardEvent.key
  45. # [02:12] <masayuki> "Romaji" is not only mapped with Japanese keyboard layout on Gecko. But the key value is grouped in Korean keyboard specific key value.
  46. # [02:13] <masayuki> I'm not sure if it's needed for Korean keyboard layout, though.
  47. # [02:14] <masayuki> "GDK_Hangul_Romaja" might be mapped with "Romaji". However, I don't know when this keysym is used on Linux's Korean keyboard layout.
  48. # [02:16] <masayuki> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc194846.aspx
  49. # [02:17] <masayuki> If there is no explanation about Romaja...
  50. # [02:17] <Travis> Either RomanCharacters is moved up to the table above, or we split it out into two.
  51. # [02:17] <garykac> Yes, it looks like a Romaji key is missing from Japanese
  52. # [02:18] <masayuki> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Korean
  53. # [02:18] <garykac> I'm fine with it being 2 separate keys: Romaji (J) and Youngja (K)
  54. # [02:19] <masayuki> Separating the key value sounds good to me because they never conflict since they are used different keyboard layout.
  55. # [02:19] <Travis> Agree -- this seems like the right thing to do.
  56. # [02:22] <Travis> Looking at the spelling of "Young" and "Youngja"..
  57. # [02:22] <masayuki> And trivial question, "Keys specific to Korean keyboards" and "Keys specific to Japanese keyboards" are not sorted from A to Z. Is it intentional?
  58. # [02:22] <Travis> Might be "Yeong" and "Yeongja"
  59. # [02:24] <garykac> I just noticed that the Korean Hangul <-> roman key is already covered by HangulMode.
  60. # [02:26] <masayuki> Yeah, but X11 (?) defines a lot of Hangul specific keysym. And we are still not sure the mapping with .key value. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865564#c5
  61. # [02:26] <garykac> So I think that we just need to move RomanCharacters into the Japanese section and rename it Romaji.
  62. # [02:26] <masayuki> We don't have enough number of contributors of Korean...
  63. # [02:27] <garykac> We can add more Korean keys as needed - we just need to see them on a keyboard to prove they exist.
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  65. # [02:30] <garykac> Masayuki: I just updated the keys: I added Romaji, removed RomanCharacters and sorted the Japanese/Korean IME keys. Please take a look.
  66. # [02:31] <masayuki> Checking if each of them exists is very difficult because I'm not familiar with Korean IMEs...
  67. # [02:31] <masayuki> garykac: Great, thanks!
  68. # [02:34] <masayuki> Ah, and I have information. Firefox 32 will support KeyboardEvent.code at least for physical keyboard on all OSes. Probably, it's not enabled with 32's release build in default settings. But starting with 33, it would be enabled.
  69. # [02:35] <garykac> Wahoo!
  70. # [02:35] <garykac> I'm still trying to get an estimate for when this'll be in Chomium/Blink.
  71. # [02:37] <masayuki> The mapping table is here. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/KeyboardEvent.code Note that it might be updated with some bug fix.
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  73. # [02:47] <Travis> This is excellent.
  74. # [02:47] <Travis> Other than that bug, is there anything else we need to review today?
  75. # [02:47] <garykac> Masayuki: That table looks very nice - I've always liked the MDN docs.
  76. # [02:48] <masayuki> garykac: Thanks.
  77. # [02:48] <masayuki> Travis: I don't have anymore.
  78. # [02:52] <garykac> OK. So until next week. We are hoping to have all the bugs resolved by then (or maybe only one or two that require discussion).
  79. # [02:52] <garykac> We'll probably get the |key| and |code| specs ready for release first.
  80. # [02:53] <garykac> That way, we'll get proper URLs for them that we can use to update the main D3E spec.
  81. # [02:53] <garykac> Then we'll release D3E.
  82. # [02:53] <garykac> (...finally)
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  84. # [02:56] <masayuki> See you.
  85. # [02:57] <Travis> rrsagent, please make the minutes
  86. # [02:57] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/05/27-webapps-minutes.html Travis
  87. # [02:57] <Travis> rrsagent, make logs public
  88. # [02:57] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, Travis
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  90. # [03:05] <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, travis, in RWC_WAPI(D3E)8:00PM
  91. # [03:05] <Zakim> RWC_WAPI(D3E)8:00PM has ended
  92. # [03:05] <Zakim> Attendees were travis
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