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  127. # [16:54] * ArtB waves to BenjamP and jparent
  128. # [16:54] <ArtB> FYI, I don't plan to join the Editing call but if you need some logistical help, please ping me
  129. # [16:55] <BenjamP> ok Art, thanks
  130. # [16:55] <ArtB> or yves, or xiaoqian ;-)
  131. # [16:55] <ArtB> (and there are likely others here that are familiar with the meeting bots)
  132. # [16:55] <BenjamP> can you clarify what won't be working for Zakim? Will we have minutes?
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  134. # [16:56] <ArtB> well, that's a good Q actually
  135. # [16:56] <ArtB> I suspect it's just the Zakim macros that won't work
  136. # [16:56] <Yves> you won't have zakim, so no listof participant, no hint on the code and phone #
  137. # [16:56] <ArtB> like: zakim, who's here?
  138. # [16:56] <ArtB> and what yves said ;)
  139. # [16:56] <Yves> but you'll have minutes (invite rrsagent for that)
  140. # [16:56] <BenjamP> ok
  141. # [16:57] <janina_> What's the telecon code, please?
  142. # [16:57] <ArtB> All of the RRSAgent macros in https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/Meetings#Meeting_Scribes should work
  143. # [16:58] <ArtB> janina_ zakim hasn't been invited yet and when it does join, it won't be working at "full capacity"
  144. # [16:58] <janina_> Yes, I saw that on the Chairs list
  145. # [16:58] <janina_> Seems Zakim needs tlc
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  147. # [16:59] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/07/11-webapps-irc
  148. # [17:00] <janina_> conference code?
  149. # [17:00] <BenjamP> 9274
  150. # [17:01] <ArtB> janina_ code is 9274
  151. # [17:01] <janina_> thanks!
  152. # [17:04] * ArtB changes topic to 'WebAppsWG; Editing TF meeting July 11 @ 11:00 Boston; Agenda = http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014JulSep/0068.html ; PIN = 9274#'
  153. # [17:07] <janina_> scribe: janina
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  156. # [17:07] <janina_> ben: schedule follows doc ...
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  158. # [17:08] <janina_> ben: section 2in explainer overviews the problem to be solved
  159. # [17:08] <janina_> ben: notes this is his doc, welcoming comments
  160. # [17:09] <janina_> ben: ContentEditable is buggy, needs a fix
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  162. # [17:09] <janina_> ben: full range of editing scenarios complicates this
  163. # [17:10] <janina_> ben: different expectations of editing, e.g. undo
  164. # [17:10] <janina_> ben: sites don't know specific actions from intent
  165. # [17:11] <janina_> ben: e.g. ctrl-a is select all
  166. # [17:11] <janina_> ben: these are the top two issues, we need to solve both
  167. # [17:12] <janina_> ben: if a browser implements an action, but site can't accept it, there's no way for the site to indiciate that
  168. # [17:12] <janina_> ben: so it's hard to understand what's implemented
  169. # [17:13] <janina_> ben: also difficult to create polyfills
  170. # [17:13] <janina_> ben: anyone to add anything here?
  171. # [17:14] <janina_> [crickets]
  172. # [17:16] <janina_> ben: we have wide range of cases around editing
  173. # [17:19] <cyns> http://www.w3.org/TR/indie-ui-events/#RequestEvents
  174. # [17:21] <janina_> action: janina to forward URLs of IndieUI docs
  175. # [17:21] * trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
  176. # [17:21] * RRSAgent records action 1
  177. # [17:21] <trackbot> Error finding 'janina'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/users>.
  178. # [17:23] <janina_> topic: section 5 visualizaion
  179. # [17:23] <cyns> http://w3c.github.io/editing-explainer/commands-explainer.html
  180. # [17:23] <janina_> s/visualizaion/visualization/
  181. # [17:24] <janina_> ben: today actions and intentions are blurred today
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  183. # [17:25] <janina_> ben: a11y tools often have to hack around to handle this
  184. # [17:25] <janina_> ben: main reason is that intentions are not clearly separatable from actions
  185. # [17:26] <janina_> cyns: is describing preferable default browser behavior in scope?
  186. # [17:27] <janina_> ben: perhaps, but needs to be stated more narrowly
  187. # [17:27] <janina_> rrsagent, make minutes
  188. # [17:27] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/11-webapps-minutes.html janina_
  189. # [17:28] <janina_> cyns: I can help with alt texts for diags
  190. # [17:28] <janina_> ben: contemplating custom ui's for authors to define custom behavior
  191. # [17:29] <janina_> ben: enumerating behaviors for a11y tools is a goal
  192. # [17:30] <janina_> ben: has clipboard events, and also trying to figure out drag and drop
  193. # [17:31] <janina_> ben: working on word/char/etc selection
  194. # [17:31] <janina_> ben: and then concept called command events
  195. # [17:33] <janina_> ben: for editing our first task is solving selection
  196. # [17:34] <janina_> ben: want to begin with no default behavior in the editor
  197. # [17:34] <janina_> ben: phps exception is typing
  198. # [17:34] <janina_> ben: many sites already cancel default editing behavior
  199. # [17:35] <janina_> topic: integrating with more web developers
  200. # [17:35] <janina_> ben: good feedback so far, want more participation
  201. # [17:36] <janina_> julie: was working with medium previous to this effort
  202. # [17:36] <janina_> julie: will contact them re this group
  203. # [17:36] <ArtB> RRSAgent, make log Public
  204. # [17:36] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, ArtB
  205. # [17:36] <janina_> ben: also at ms
  206. # [17:36] <ArtB> Scribe: Janina
  207. # [17:36] <ArtB> ScribeNick: janina_
  208. # [17:36] <ArtB> Chair: Benjamin
  209. # [17:36] <janina_> cyns: have internal wg in ms where there's a11y impact, can connect
  210. # [17:37] <ArtB> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014JulSep/0068.html
  211. # [17:37] <ArtB> Meeting: Editing API Task Force
  212. # [17:37] <janina_> topic: next steps
  213. # [17:37] <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
  214. # [17:37] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/11-webapps-minutes.html ArtB
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  216. # [17:38] <janina_> julie: looking at 'before input' as well
  217. # [17:39] <janina_> julie: either 'before input' or command, both wouldn't make sense
  218. # [17:40] <ArtB> Present: Benjamin_Peters, Janina_Sajka, Julie_Parent, Cynthia_Shelly
  219. # [17:40] <ArtB> Regrets: Robin_Berjon
  220. # [17:41] <janina_> topic: integrating with indieUI
  221. # [17:42] <janina_> cyns: remember to look at overlap, include keyboard events in that
  222. # [17:45] <janina_> ben: might want to figure which indieui events already cover what's discussed here
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  224. # [17:47] <janina_> rrsagent, make minutes
  225. # [17:47] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/11-webapps-minutes.html janina_
  226. # [17:49] <BenjamP> benjamp will send minutes and summary to public-editing-tf@w3.org and public-webapps@w3.org
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The end :)