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  1. # Session Start: Wed Jul 16 00:00:00 2014
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  14. # [02:08] <masayuki> garykac: hi
  15. # [02:11] <garykac> hello
  16. # [02:11] <garykac> Not much has changed since last week.
  17. # [02:11] <garykac> I still have to update the spec to match the discussion from last week.
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  19. # [02:13] <masayuki> Yeah, I'm waiting the spec update for requesting review of patches.
  20. # [02:13] <garykac> Sorry about the delay..
  21. # [02:14] <garykac> We got an email from someone asking about including the KeyboardEvent context with the Input event.
  22. # [02:14] <garykac> So that you could tell that a keyboard event caused the input event without having to listen to both events.
  23. # [02:17] <garykac> I'm not sure that it's necessary since it's not that hard to listen to both events.
  24. # [02:17] <garykac> He referred to : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9906885/detect-backspace-and-del-on-input-event#comment-27372628
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  28. # [02:20] <masayuki> Hmm, I don't think that we should do it because even if web apps implement such text editor, which must not work with some input devices which don't cause keyboard event.
  29. # [02:22] <masayuki> It's just well known behavior that "Backspace" is deleting previous character of a caret and "Delete" is deleting next character of a caret.
  30. # [02:22] <garykac> Unless there is text currently selected...
  31. # [02:23] <masayuki> However, e.g., on Mac, some users might have customized of the keybindings of "Backspace" or "Delete".
  32. # [02:23] <masayuki> Yes.
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  34. # [02:25] <masayuki> Only with D3E, web developers cannot know what should happen at editing text of each key without transpalent <input> or <textarea>...
  35. # [02:25] <renoirb> Zakim, please call renoirb
  36. # [02:26] <renoirb> ooh :)
  37. # [02:28] <masayuki> I guess, in the future, keyboard event should have |.action| or |.command|. Then, web apps can create their own text editor with native keybindings of the users environment.
  38. # [02:29] <garykac> Is it a problem that web devs needs to add a transparent input/textarea in order to track all the keys when editing text? I'm not sure how common this is (or if it requires additional info to make it easier).
  39. # [02:31] <masayuki> I'm not sure if there are problems and such new attributes actually improve/solve them.
  40. # [02:32] <masayuki> We need comments from actual web developers...
  41. # [02:33] <garykac> Yeah. I'd rather not add any complexity unless it's solving a real problem.
  42. # [02:33] <garykac> I haven't heard a lot of call for this, but I'm not sure how many webdevs are tracking the spec.
  43. # [02:33] <masayuki> Anyway, I think that InputEvent should be nutral from input device.
  44. # [02:34] <garykac> Yep that sounds good to me as well. I wouldn't mind having optional fields, but only if it's solving a problem.
  45. # [02:34] <garykac> Anyway, it doesn't seem like we have much to do today. We don't need to meet every week for now. How about in two weeks?
  46. # [02:35] <masayuki> Indeed. Web developers should request more features for the future's web ;-)
  47. # [02:35] <garykac> ^_^
  48. # [02:36] <masayuki> I'm okay to meet every two weeks.
  49. # [02:37] <masayuki> I'll file spec bugs when I find issues, though.
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  109. # [12:55] <ArtB> RRSAgent, log?
  110. # [12:55] <RRSAgent> I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'log'
  111. # [12:55] <ArtB> RRSAgent, make minutes
  112. # [12:55] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/16-webapps-minutes.html ArtB
  113. # [12:56] <ArtB> RRSAgent, make log Public
  114. # [12:56] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, ArtB
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  117. # [13:00] <ArtB> rrsagent, bye
  118. # [13:00] <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/11-webapps-actions.rdf :
  119. # [13:00] <RRSAgent> ACTION: janina to forward URLs of IndieUI docs [1]
  120. # [13:00] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/11-webapps-irc#T15-21-08
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