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  105. # [13:33] <MikeSmith> ArtB: about https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/team-webapps/2014Oct/0035.html PFWG seems to be making a pattern of it
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  107. # [13:33] <MikeSmith> this is not a unique complaint about the Selection spec
  108. # [13:33] <MikeSmith> and it has nothing to do with accessibilty
  109. # [13:33] <MikeSmith> *with accessibility concerns
  110. # [13:34] <MikeSmith> their request amounts to "We don't understand this spec."
  111. # [13:35] <MikeSmith> and I think the correct response is, Sorry, maybe you should either spend some time learning or get somebody in PFWG who does
  112. # [13:35] <MikeSmith> this is not what we have PFWG for
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  119. # [13:36] <MikeSmith> "It doesn't really help us to determine what this spec does, and to what extent we might need to review it more closely."
  120. # [13:37] <MikeSmith> it's not the job of N different other groups to explain to them what they might need to review
  121. # [13:37] <MikeSmith> that's their job
  122. # [13:37] <ArtB> MikeSmith, I think it is a reasonable request (regardless of the source of the request) to ask for the Abstract to be fleshed out a bit more.
  123. # [13:37] <MikeSmith> it's fine as a bug for the editors to consider
  124. # [13:38] <MikeSmith> it doesn't need anything more than that
  125. # [13:38] <ArtB> sure, but that's just the mechanics
  126. # [13:38] <MikeSmith> like I said, they are making a pattern of this
  127. # [13:38] <ArtB> well if you're saying it shouldn't be a high priority for the Editor, I tend to agree
  128. # [13:39] <ArtB> OTOH, in the spirit of `cooperation`, I think it would be good to improve the Abstract relatively `soonish` ;-)
  129. # [13:39] <ArtB> MikeSmith, I did already push back (on there blanket request) for some specifics
  130. # [13:39] <MikeSmith> it's basically just that they're throwing their hands up and "This stuff is hard, we don't understand it, let's make everybody explain things to us in really simple terms that we can understand"
  131. # [13:40] <MikeSmith> technical specs aren't primers
  132. # [13:40] <MikeSmith> it's their job to figure out on their own what they need to review and what they don7t
  133. # [13:40] <ArtB> fwiw, I agree on both points above (primers, and review)
  134. # [13:40] <darobin> in the case of that API, it's probably not anyway
  135. # [13:40] <MikeSmith> hand-holding them through doing the jobs they're supposed to be figuring out how to do on their own is not helping
  136. # [13:41] <MikeSmith> anyway, end rant
  137. # [13:41] <ArtB> well, specifically asking for 1/~30 specs for an update doesn't seem especially onerous to me
  138. # [13:42] <MikeSmith> ArtB: just saying that if you jump when they snap their fingers they're going to start snapping their fingers even more
  139. # [13:42] * ArtB easy for me to say since I'm not an Editor ;-)
  140. # [13:42] <ArtB> MikeSmith, I agree but I feel especially bad here since there original request got lost in my Inbox for several weeks
  141. # [13:44] <ArtB> and besides, I *never* take your advice ;)
  142. # [13:48] <MikeSmith> ArtB: I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Can you please explain it to me in layman's terms. What you're saying sounds like it's only for only people in the know
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  145. # [13:49] <ArtB> point taken
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  148. # [13:50] <darobin> haha
  149. # [13:54] <Yves> art, I'm out today, but it's planned for RSN
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  151. # [13:55] <MikeSmith> ArtB: I'm just pulling your chain
  152. # [13:56] <ArtB> yeah, I got that ;-)
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  156. # [14:22] <Yves> same on my side ;)
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  162. # [14:34] <mounir> ArtB: is it too late to get a WD published for TPAC?
  163. # [14:35] <ArtB> mounir, let me check the schedule
  164. # [14:36] <ArtB> mounir, the last day to start a PSA to pub a WD before TPAC is Oct 18
  165. # [14:36] <mounir> ok
  166. # [14:36] <ArtB> (and earlier start is better)
  167. # [14:37] <ArtB> mounir, is this about Screen Orientation?
  168. # [14:37] <mounir> yeah, let me add that to may today's todo list
  169. # [14:37] <mounir> ArtB: yes
  170. # [14:37] <ArtB> I still have that thread in my Inbox
  171. # [14:38] <ArtB> seems there was a bit of a disagreement between chaals and sicking re the potential ramifications of issue-40
  172. # [14:40] <ArtB> I think a strict interpretation of the Patent Policy vis-a-vis changes after LC means groups need to be real careful
  173. # [14:40] <ArtB> and the safe thing to do is to publish a new LC if anyone raises concerns about the extent of a change
  174. # [14:41] * ArtB … not that I'm particularly glad about this; "it is what it is"
  175. # [14:42] <mounir> ArtB: IMO, we should go for LC because implementers seem fine with it
  176. # [14:42] <mounir> ArtB: but it's not worth the fight
  177. # [14:42] <mounir> though, I'm concerned with depending on something like 'animation frame task" that is smoke for the moment
  178. # [14:45] <ArtB> mounir, I think it would be OK to go to LC if the LC clearly identified the issue and there was a clear understanding that if the result of the LC review was that there was broad agreement to change the spec in a "substantive" way, then a new LC would be required before a CR could be published.
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  182. # [15:06] <mounir> ArtB: https://w3c.github.io/screen-orientation/ is ready for WD publication
  183. # [15:06] <mounir> ArtB: shall I upload a WD generated file in published/ ?
  184. # [15:11] <ArtB> mounir, ok, I'll start a PSA now saying the expected pub date is is Oct 21, so please prepare the WD with that date. ok?
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  188. # [15:20] <mounir> ArtB: will do
  189. # [15:20] <ArtB> cool; thanks!
  190. # [15:23] <mounir> ArtB: https://github.com/w3c/screen-orientation/blob/gh-pages/published/20141021.html
  191. # [15:23] <mounir> https://w3c.github.io/screen-orientation/published/20141021.html
  192. # [15:26] <ArtB> darn, that was quick! I loves me some ReSpec!
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The end :)