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  94. # [17:01] <benjamp> robin, are you there?
  95. # [17:01] <darobin> yes?
  96. # [17:01] <benjamp> could you help us set up the meeting?
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  99. # [17:02] <darobin> benjamp: what do you need?
  100. # [17:02] <benjamp> I don'
  101. # [17:02] <benjamp> t see zakim?
  102. # [17:02] <darobin> do you have a zakim booking?
  103. # [17:02] <johanneswilm> Hey, I tried to connect to the conference call (from Chile) but the conenction was incredibly bad
  104. # [17:02] <darobin> because that could be the problem....
  105. # [17:03] <benjamp> I believe so
  106. # [17:03] <benjamp> unless daily savings messed things up
  107. # [17:03] <darobin> it's normally on this channel, right?
  108. # [17:03] <benjamp> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Webapps/Meetings#Editing_APIs
  109. # [17:03] <benjamp> yes
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  111. # [17:03] <darobin> Zakim, this will be webapps
  112. # [17:03] <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, darobin
  113. # [17:04] <darobin> Zakim, this will be wam
  114. # [17:04] <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, darobin
  115. # [17:04] <darobin> Yves: do you know?
  116. # [17:04] <darobin> zakim, help
  117. # [17:04] <Zakim> Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot for more detailed help.
  118. # [17:04] <Zakim> Some of the commands I know are:
  119. # [17:04] <Zakim> xxx is yyy - establish yyy as the name of unknown party xxx
  120. # [17:04] <Zakim> if yyy is 'me' or 'I', your nick is substituted
  121. # [17:04] <Zakim> xxx may be yyy - establish yyy as possibly the name of unknown party xxx
  122. # [17:04] <Zakim> I am xxx - establish your nick as the name of unknown party xxx
  123. # [17:04] <Zakim> xxx holds yyy [, zzz ...] - establish xxx as a group name and yyy, etc. as participants within that group
  124. # [17:04] <Zakim> xxx also holds yyy - add yyy to the list of participants in group xxx
  125. # [17:04] <Zakim> who's here? - lists the participants on the phone
  126. # [17:04] <Zakim> who's muted? - lists the participants who are muted
  127. # [17:04] <Zakim> mute xxx - mutes party xxx (like pressing 61#)
  128. # [17:04] <Zakim> unmute xxx - reverses the effect of "mute" and of 61#
  129. # [17:04] <Zakim> is xxx here? - reports whether a party named like xxx is present
  130. # [17:04] <Zakim> list conferences - reports the active conferences
  131. # [17:04] <Zakim> this is xxx - associates this channel with conference xxx
  132. # [17:04] <Zakim> excuse us - disconnects from the irc channel
  133. # [17:04] <Zakim> I last learned something new on $Date: 2013-03-03 19:18:47 $
  134. # [17:04] <darobin> trackbot: start meeting
  135. # [17:04] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference.
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  137. # [17:04] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/01/09-webapps-irc
  138. # [17:04] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  139. # [17:04] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  140. # [17:04] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DOM3
  141. # [17:04] <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
  142. # [17:04] <trackbot> Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
  143. # [17:04] <trackbot> Date: 09 January 2015
  144. # [17:04] <darobin> mmmmmmm
  145. # [17:04] <darobin> Zakim, list
  146. # [17:04] <Zakim> I see Team_JEFF(APPFO)11:00AM, RWC_WAPI()11:00AM active
  147. # [17:04] <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are XML_SchemaWG()11:00AM, SW_RDFWG(CHAIRS)11:00AM, SW_HCLS(TERM)11:00AM, Team_Comm(ANNV)10:30AM
  148. # [17:05] <darobin> it doesn't seem to be scheduled
  149. # [17:05] <darobin> something's screwed up
  150. # [17:05] <benjamp> can you call in to discuss?
  151. # [17:05] <xiaoqian> darobin, sorry, the bridge is: https://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_6597
  152. # [17:05] <darobin> ah!
  153. # [17:05] <darobin> Zakim, this is RWC_WAPI
  154. # [17:05] <Zakim> ok, darobin; that matches RWC_WAPI()11:00AM
  155. # [17:06] <darobin> Zakim, code?
  156. # [17:06] <Zakim> the conference code is 9274 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), darobin
  157. # [17:06] <darobin> benjamp: should work now!
  158. # [17:06] <benjamp> great
  159. # [17:06] <darobin> thanks a lot xiaoqian :)
  160. # [17:06] <benjamp> zakim, who is on the call?
  161. # [17:06] <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.425.610.aaaa, Norbert
  162. # [17:06] <darobin> benjamp: sorry I wasn't faster on this, we're a bit distracted over here :-/
  163. # [17:06] <benjamp> zakim, 1.425.610.aaaa is me
  164. # [17:06] <Zakim> sorry, benjamp, I do not recognize a party named '1.425.610.aaaa'
  165. # [17:06] * xiaoqian darobin: wlc
  166. # [17:06] <darobin> Zakim, aaaa is benjamp
  167. # [17:06] <Zakim> +benjamp; got it
  168. # [17:07] <benjamp> anyone else want to call in
  169. # [17:07] <benjamp> ?
  170. # [17:07] <Zakim> + +45.36.98.aadd
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  172. # [17:07] <Zakim> + +1.415.231.aaee
  173. # [17:07] <koji> zakim, +1.415.231.aaee is me
  174. # [17:07] <Zakim> +koji; got it
  175. # [17:08] <Zakim> - +45.36.98.aadd
  176. # [17:08] <benjamp> sch+ Forming the V1 Picture
  177. # [17:08] <Zakim> + +45.36.98.aaff
  178. # [17:09] <benjamp> zakim, who is on the call
  179. # [17:09] <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', benjamp
  180. # [17:10] <johanneswilm> i am
  181. # [17:10] <koji> zakim, who is on the call?
  182. # [17:10] <Zakim> On the phone I see benjamp, Norbert, koji, +45.36.98.aaff
  183. # [17:10] <koji> zakim, who is noisy
  184. # [17:10] <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is noisy', koji
  185. # [17:10] <johanneswilm> i am +45
  186. # [17:11] <koji> zakim, who is here?
  187. # [17:11] <Zakim> On the phone I see benjamp, Norbert, koji, +45.36.98.aaff
  188. # [17:11] <Zakim> On IRC I see smaug, RRSAgent, Zakim, johanneswilm, sicking, Norbert, benjamp, terri, dom, darobin, logbot, schuki, skddc, jgraham, decadance, krijnhoetmer, MikeSmith, stryx`,
  189. # [17:11] <Zakim> ... mounir, MarkS, kochi, paul___irish, panzana`, gavin, renoirb, astearns, adrianba, slightlyoff, gsnedders, tyoshino, igrigorik, mihnea_____, koji, FerasM__, dcooney___,
  190. # [17:11] <Zakim> ... cabanier, hayato, Domenic, cwilso, jsbell__, tobie, scheib, timeless, mkwst, ed, heycam|away, hober, nickstenn, kentaromiura, pdr, krit, Hixie, xiaoqian, Yves, trackbot
  191. # [17:11] <MikeSmith> Zakim, +45 is Johannes
  192. # [17:11] <Zakim> +Johannes; got it
  193. # [17:12] <benjamp> zakim, the topic is Forming the V1 Picture
  194. # [17:12] <Zakim> I don't understand 'the topic is Forming the V1 Picture', benjamp
  195. # [17:12] <benjamp> topic: Forming the V1 Picture
  196. # [17:12] <koji> ben: 1st item is v1 picture
  197. # [17:12] <MikeSmith> koji, I'm just eavesdropping and I'm on another call, but if you have any problems with logistics feel free to ping me for help
  198. # [17:13] <MikeSmith> Topic: Forming the V1 Picture
  199. # [17:13] * koji MikeSmith thanks
  200. # [17:13] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  201. # [17:13] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/09-webapps-minutes.html MikeSmith
  202. # [17:13] <benjamp> http://w3c.github.io/editing-explainer/input-events.html
  203. # [17:13] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make logs public
  204. # [17:13] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, MikeSmith
  205. # [17:13] <benjamp> http://w3c.github.io/editing-explainer/contentEditable.html
  206. # [17:16] <koji> ben: is these 3 specs good for v1?
  207. # [17:16] <koji> ...Input Events spec
  208. # [17:16] <MikeSmith> Present+ BenPeters, NorbertLindenberg, KojiIshii, JohannesWilm
  209. # [17:16] <koji> ...ContentEditable spec
  210. # [17:16] <koji> ...Selection API spec
  211. # [17:16] <koji> ...name of the event
  212. # [17:16] <koji> ...i think "device independent event" is good
  213. # [17:16] <smaug> (if you agree something here about selection etc specs, please send email to webapps mailing list. I and others may comment there. )
  214. # [17:16] <johanneswilm> not realy, name is fine
  215. # [17:17] <MikeSmith> meeting: Editing Task Force
  216. # [17:17] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  217. # [17:17] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/09-webapps-minutes.html MikeSmith
  218. # [17:17] <koji> all: agree
  219. # [17:17] <koji> ben: next major point is
  220. # [17:17] <benjamp> topic: text replacement
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  222. # [17:18] <MikeSmith> Meeting: Editing Task Force
  223. # [17:18] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  224. # [17:18] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/09-webapps-minutes.html MikeSmith
  225. # [17:19] <johanneswilm> spelling and grammar check should be quite adjustable by editor developers
  226. # [17:19] <koji> ben: 3 types are on the table
  227. # [17:19] <koji> ben: IME, overtype, and spelling/autocorrect
  228. # [17:20] <koji> johanneswilm: prefer to defer spelling and autocorrect
  229. # [17:21] <johanneswilm> ok, got it. what about decoupling the two from oneanother?
  230. # [17:21] <johanneswilm> make the spell/grammar checking available to javascript on a more general level
  231. # [17:22] <koji> ben: IME inline requires text replacement
  232. # [17:22] <koji> ben: so replacement for this purpose cannot be deferred
  233. # [17:22] <johanneswilm> right now the spell checking requires that one doesn't modify the right click menu
  234. # [17:22] <koji> ben: ime is going to affect this text range
  235. # [17:23] <koji> ben: IME wants to modify this text range
  236. # [17:24] <koji> ben: we need special casing for IME
  237. # [17:26] <Zakim> -Johannes
  238. # [17:28] <koji> ben: I'll investigate two levels of IME; investigate lower level (non-inline)
  239. # [17:28] <koji> ben: but I think we can solve inline issue, go assuming we can do this
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  243. # [17:35] <johanneswilm2> I have been thrown out a number of times and the phone conenction is quite bad
  244. # [17:35] <benjamp> sorry
  245. # [17:35] <johanneswilm2> next time I will need to investigate how to do the sip connection
  246. # [17:35] <johanneswilm2> I will follow here now
  247. # [17:36] <johanneswilm2> mymost important part today was about the spellching and the V1
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  249. # [17:40] <benjamp> inline composition may need to be V2
  250. # [17:40] <benjamp> users expect inline however
  251. # [17:41] <benjamp> maybe we can treat inline composition like an image and make it non-editable?
  252. # [17:41] <benjamp> koji: we should concentrate on stability
  253. # [17:43] <koji> ben: ben: mapping between device events and device independent events
  254. # [17:43] <johanneswilm2> Maybe we shouldn't expect V1 to be a full replacement for any possible situation? the old contenteditable will alongside of it for a while, correct?
  255. # [17:43] <koji> ben: ctrl+B will be translated to "bold" event
  256. # [17:44] <koji> ben: apps wants to handle "bold" event if ctrl+B is going to be translated
  257. # [17:44] <koji> ben: but want to handle ctrl+B if not
  258. # [17:44] <johanneswilm2> the problem with shortcuts is that they are differnet in different languages
  259. # [17:45] <johanneswilm2> so if the app needs more short cuts, it's difficult to know which ones aren't used for a particular user
  260. # [17:47] <Zakim> +Johannes
  261. # [17:47] <benjamp> we should have information in device-specific events about what device-independent event will be caused
  262. # [17:49] <koji> ben: wants events to indicate what the source is
  263. # [17:50] <koji> ben: e.g., apps may want to behave differently if the "enter" key is from keyboard, voice, or something else
  264. # [17:58] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  265. # [17:58] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/09-webapps-minutes.html MikeSmith
  266. # [17:58] <Zakim> -Johannes
  267. # [17:58] <Zakim> -koji
  268. # [17:58] <Zakim> -Norbert
  269. # [17:58] <Zakim> -benjamp
  270. # [17:58] <Zakim> RWC_WAPI()11:00AM has ended
  271. # [17:58] <Zakim> Attendees were +1.425.610.aaaa, Norbert, +45.36.98.aabb, +1.415.231.aacc, benjamp, +45.36.98.aadd, koji, +45.36.98.aaff, Johannes
  272. # [17:59] <benjamp> zakiim, make minutes
  273. # [17:59] <benjamp> zakim, make minutes
  274. # [17:59] <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', benjamp
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  276. # [18:01] <benjamp> rrrsagent, make minutes
  277. # [18:01] <benjamp> rrsagent, make minutes
  278. # [18:01] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/09-webapps-minutes.html benjamp
  279. # [18:02] <koji> benjamp: SIP information here http://www.w3.org/2006/tools/wiki/Zakim-SIP
  280. # [18:03] <benjamp> great, thank you!
  281. # [18:03] * Quits: benjamp (~benjamp@public.cloak) ("Page closed")
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  291. # [19:42] * nickstenn is now known as zz_nickstenn
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  318. # Session Close: Sat Jan 10 00:00:00 2015

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