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  1. # Session Start: Wed Jan 14 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #webapps
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  35. # [02:00] <masayuki> Hello, Travis, long time no see!
  36. # [02:00] <Travis> Zakim, this is D3E
  37. # [02:00] <Zakim> ok, Travis; that matches RWC_WAPI(D3E)8:00PM
  38. # [02:00] <Travis> masayuki: Thanks!
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  40. # [02:02] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  41. # [02:02] <Travis> Zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
  42. # [02:02] <Zakim> +Travis; got it
  43. # [02:02] <Travis> Zakim, who is on the phone?
  44. # [02:02] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], Travis
  45. # [02:02] <Travis> Zakim, [Microsoft] is benjamp
  46. # [02:02] <Zakim> +benjamp; got it
  47. # [02:02] <benjamp> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
  48. # [02:02] <Zakim> sorry, benjamp, I do not recognize a party named '[Microsoft]'
  49. # [02:02] * Travis beat you to it.
  50. # [02:02] <masayuki> Hi, garykack, long time no see!
  51. # [02:02] <Travis> garykac: Welcome!
  52. # [02:03] <Zakim> + +1.650.390.aaaa
  53. # [02:03] <Travis> Zakim, +1.650 is garykac
  54. # [02:03] <Zakim> +garykac; got it
  55. # [02:04] <Travis> Agenda?
  56. # [02:04] * Zakim sees nothing on the agenda
  57. # [02:04] <Travis> agenda+ Move beforeinput to editing
  58. # [02:04] * Zakim notes agendum 1 added
  59. # [02:04] <garykac> renaming the d3e to uievents
  60. # [02:04] <garykac> and deprecating (retiring) the current UI events
  61. # [02:05] <Travis> agenda+ renaming the d3e to uievents (and retiring UI events)
  62. # [02:05] * Zakim notes agendum 2 added
  63. # [02:06] <Travis> agenda+ key/code updates for masayuki
  64. # [02:06] * Zakim notes agendum 3 added
  65. # [02:06] <Travis> Current bugs: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=DOM3%20Events&list_id=50592&product=WebAppsWG&;resolution=---
  66. # [02:07] <Travis> masayuki: anything else to add to the agenda?
  67. # [02:08] <Travis> Agenda+ Prioritize bug list
  68. # [02:08] * Zakim notes agendum 4 added
  69. # [02:08] <masayuki> Nothing for now. I want you to fix bug 24739, 26019 and 26218.
  70. # [02:09] <Travis> garykac: For the renaming--I don't recall a specific date...
  71. # [02:09] <Travis> ... we should make sure ack section is up to date.
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  73. # [02:10] <Travis> a-
  74. # [02:10] <Travis> agenda-
  75. # [02:10] <Travis> agenda?
  76. # [02:10] * Zakim sees 4 items remaining on the agenda:
  77. # [02:10] * Zakim 1. Move beforeinput to editing [from Travis]
  78. # [02:10] * Zakim 2. renaming the d3e to uievents (and retiring UI events) [from Travis]
  79. # [02:10] * Zakim 3. key/code updates for masayuki [from Travis]
  80. # [02:10] * Zakim 4. Prioritize bug list [from Travis]
  81. # [02:11] <garykac> We'll most likely go through all the bugs next meeting -- I don't think that we'll get through it today.
  82. # [02:11] <garykac> And we should address the D3E -> UIEvent renaming and the beforeinput changes first.
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  84. # [02:11] <Travis> agenda-1
  85. # [02:11] * Zakim notes agendum 1, Move beforeinput to editing, dropped
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  87. # [02:12] <garykac> Dropped because we agree that it should be done.
  88. # [02:12] <garykac> Current D3E spec is at : http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Events/
  89. # [02:12] <benjamp> New unofficial spec is http://w3c.github.io/editing-explainer/input-events.html
  90. # [02:12] <Travis> Travis: Currently, we still define beforeinput in our doc.
  91. # [02:13] <Travis> ... we also have a number of related bugs for it.
  92. # [02:13] <garykac> Do we have an official name for the input events spec?
  93. # [02:13] <garykac> We'll need to refer to it when we update the D3E to point to it.
  94. # [02:13] <Travis> ... The editing TF has a doc which would like to formerly specify the definition for beforeinput.
  95. # [02:15] <Travis> D3E defines the InputEvent interface.
  96. # [02:16] <Travis> garykac: Travis and I will send you links to individual bugs to port to Github issue tracker for Editing TF
  97. # [02:16] <garykac> We'll need to migrate the 'input' bugzilla issues into github.
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  99. # [02:17] <Travis> Travis: should they take 'input' as well as 'beforeinput'?
  100. # [02:17] <Travis> ... benjamp: I currently have them both in my spec.
  101. # [02:17] <garykac> Travis: yes!
  102. # [02:19] <Travis> Travis: So, to recap, we will be removing BeforeInput interface and its two event types (beforeinput, input) from D3E. These have been integrated into the Editing doc already.
  103. # [02:19] <Travis> ... We should leave a note for readers to know where to go get them in the future (in a change log section somewhere)
  104. # [02:20] <Zakim> -benjamp
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  106. # [02:20] <Travis> benjamp: Look forward to seeing those bug reference!
  107. # [02:20] <Travis> ... got to run. Thanks!
  108. # [02:21] <Travis> Agenda?
  109. # [02:21] * Zakim sees 3 items remaining on the agenda:
  110. # [02:21] * Zakim 2. renaming the d3e to uievents (and retiring UI events) [from Travis]
  111. # [02:21] * Zakim 3. key/code updates for masayuki [from Travis]
  112. # [02:21] * Zakim 4. Prioritize bug list [from Travis]
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  114. # [02:23] <Travis> Travis: Steps necessary:
  115. # [02:23] <Travis> ... 1. Use uievents spec shortname
  116. # [02:24] <Travis> ... 2. Use UIEvents component in bugzilla
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  118. # [02:25] <Travis> ... 3. Merge the content from current UIEvents?
  119. # [02:25] <Travis> garykac: Well, not if we want to finish!
  120. # [02:25] <Travis> ... locale info was interesting and is still useful, but it does include a fingerprinting issue.
  121. # [02:26] <Travis> ... I'm not sure if this is still a major concern
  122. # [02:27] <Travis> ... At TPAC there was a discussion about granting platform permissions--could be something interesting.
  123. # [02:27] <Travis> Travis: My suggestion is to bring in locale with a big disclaimer so that it's all in one spec.
  124. # [02:28] <Travis> garykac: locale is definately woefully underspecified.
  125. # [02:28] <Travis> s/woefully//
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  127. # [02:29] <Travis> Travis: We should subtitle it "the specification formerly known as DOM Level 3 Events"
  128. # [02:29] <Travis> ... or just "the essentially living specification"
  129. # [02:30] <Travis> ... :-)
  130. # [02:30] <masayuki> I think that UI Events should make its position clearer in head of the document.
  131. # [02:30] <garykac> BTW: bug for tracking removing input/beforeinput and pointing to the new inputevent spec: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27827
  132. # [02:31] <Travis> masayuki: Yes. I'd love some new text--please file a bug with your suggestion!
  133. # [02:31] <masayuki> I don't like RFC style, i.e., overwriting too many times!
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  135. # [02:32] <masayuki> Travis: Okay, I'll do it.
  136. # [02:32] <Travis> Travis: garykac are you going to do the spec rename update?
  137. # [02:32] <Travis> garykac: Yes, and the beforeinput removals around the same time.
  138. # [02:32] <garykac> masayuki: what do you mean by overwriting too many times?
  139. # [02:33] <Travis> Agenda?
  140. # [02:33] * Zakim sees 3 items remaining on the agenda:
  141. # [02:33] * Zakim 2. renaming the d3e to uievents (and retiring UI events) [from Travis]
  142. # [02:33] * Zakim 3. key/code updates for masayuki [from Travis]
  143. # [02:33] * Zakim 4. Prioritize bug list [from Travis]
  144. # [02:33] <Travis> Agenda-2
  145. # [02:33] * Zakim notes agendum 2, renaming the d3e to uievents (and retiring UI events), dropped
  146. # [02:34] <masayuki> garykac: an RFC overwrites another RFC without changing old spec. Therefore, it's very unclear for readers what's the latest spec of a spec.
  147. # [02:35] <masayuki> garykac: So, overwritten spec should refer new spec, if it's possible.
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  149. # [02:35] <Travis> masayuki: Yep, sounds right.
  150. # [02:36] <garykac> Yeah, we should definitely add a link at the top saying that D3E has been moved/replaced by UIEvents
  151. # [02:36] <Travis> Alright, for the next agenda item: bug 24739, 26019 and 26218
  152. # [02:36] <Travis> ... masayuki would like these fixed right away.
  153. # [02:36] <Travis> ... They are implementation-blocking.
  154. # [02:36] <masayuki> Yeah. We renamed other key values in Firefox 37.
  155. # [02:37] <masayuki> But these bugs still block updating a few things.
  156. # [02:37] <Travis> ... Are there any decisions that need to be made in regards to these, or is it simply a matter of committing the requested changes?
  157. # [02:37] <masayuki> Travis: I think that the latter. We've already discussed in the bug.
  158. # [02:39] <garykac> I'll prioritize those bugs when I start going through bugs later this week.
  159. # [02:39] <Travis> Travis: Looking at 24739 -- is there a question about "Props" and "ContextMenu" still?
  160. # [02:39] <garykac> I think that we know what to do for all of them, but I need to refresh my memory.
  161. # [02:40] <garykac> Many times there are similar-sounding keys that serve different purposes. So we need to coordinate them with other specs (like USB or Media controller specs)
  162. # [02:40] <masayuki> Abut bug 24739, the issue was discussed in IRC, IIRC.
  163. # [02:42] <masayuki> Is there a list of logs of IRC when we discussed?
  164. # [02:42] <Travis> In 26019, it looks like the essentials are speced out, but Anne had some feedback?
  165. # [02:43] <Travis> masayuki: Yes... just a sec
  166. # [02:43] <garykac> Bug tracking rename from D3E -> UIEvents : https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27828
  167. # [02:43] <Travis> masayuki: http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/Bi-weekly_meetings
  168. # [02:44] <masayuki> Travis: Thanks!
  169. # [02:46] <Travis> OK, 26019 describes the APIs we want (already fixed), but not the processing to do that.
  170. # [02:46] <Travis> Agenda
  171. # [02:46] <Travis> Agenda?
  172. # [02:46] * Zakim sees 2 items remaining on the agenda:
  173. # [02:46] * Zakim 3. key/code updates for masayuki [from Travis]
  174. # [02:46] * Zakim 4. Prioritize bug list [from Travis]
  175. # [02:46] <Travis> Agenda - 3
  176. # [02:46] * Zakim notes agendum 3, key/code updates for masayuki, dropped
  177. # [02:46] <Travis> Travis: It's getting late (dark outside!). We probably don't have time to review Agenda#4
  178. # [02:46] <garykac> OK. I'll start on the spec updates and look at the bugs (prioritizing the ones that Masayuki has pointed out)
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  180. # [02:46] <garykac> YEah, #4 is a good place to start next time
  181. # [02:46] <garykac> 2 weeks from now?
  182. # [02:46] <Travis> Travis: I think we check back in two weeks?
  183. # [02:46] <Travis> Sounds good to me.
  184. # [02:47] <masayuki> Sounds good to me too.
  185. # [02:47] <garykac> We will hopefully have discussions in the bugs between now and then
  186. # [02:47] <Travis> OK, thanks all!
  187. # [02:47] <garykac> Good. See you all then. And thanks!
  188. # [02:47] <Travis> RRSAgent, make the minutes
  189. # [02:47] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/14-webapps-minutes.html Travis
  190. # [02:47] <masayuki> Thank you!
  191. # [02:48] <Zakim> -Travis
  192. # [02:48] <Travis> RRSAgent, make logs public
  193. # [02:48] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, Travis
  194. # [02:48] <Zakim> -garykac
  195. # [02:48] <Zakim> RWC_WAPI(D3E)8:00PM has ended
  196. # [02:48] <Zakim> Attendees were Travis, benjamp, +1.650.390.aaaa, garykac
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  238. # [12:30] <artb> RRSAgent, log?
  239. # [12:30] <RRSAgent> I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'log'
  240. # [12:31] <artb> Meeting: DOM 3 Events and UI Events
  241. # [12:33] <artb> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2015JanMar/0011.html
  242. # [12:35] <artb> Chair: Travis
  243. # [12:35] <artb> RRSAgent, make minutes
  244. # [12:35] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/01/14-webapps-minutes.html artb
  245. # [12:36] <artb> zakim, bye
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  247. # [12:36] <artb> rrsagent, bye
  248. # [12:36] <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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  291. # [22:59] * heycam|away is now known as heycam
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  295. # Session Close: Thu Jan 15 00:00:00 2015

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