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  1. # Session Start: Wed Feb 11 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #webapps
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  22. # [02:06] <masayuki> garykac: hi
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  24. # [02:07] <masayuki> Travis: hi
  25. # [02:07] <garykac> hallo!
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  27. # [02:07] <Travis> zakim, this is d3e
  28. # [02:07] <Zakim> sorry, Travis, I do not see a conference named 'd3e' in progress or scheduled at this time
  29. # [02:07] <Travis> zakim, this is dom3
  30. # [02:07] <Zakim> ok, Travis; that matches RWC_WAPI()8:00PM
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  32. # [02:07] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/02/11-webapps-irc
  33. # [02:07] <Travis> RRSAgent, this meeting spans midnight
  34. # [02:07] <RRSAgent> ok, Travis; I will not start a new log at midnight
  35. # [02:07] <Travis> masayuki: Hi!
  36. # [02:07] <Travis> Scribe: Travis
  37. # [02:08] <Travis> ScribeNick: Travis
  38. # [02:08] <Travis> Any topics for today?
  39. # [02:09] <masayuki> I'm trouble in bug 27991 and bug 27990
  40. # [02:09] <masayuki> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27991
  41. # [02:09] <masayuki> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27990
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  43. # [02:10] <Travis> We can look at those.
  44. # [02:10] <Travis> Any other topics?
  45. # [02:11] <Travis> I've been working on a fix for 26019 :-)
  46. # [02:11] <Travis> Should have it checked in tomorrow.
  47. # [02:11] <masayuki> Travis: Sounds great!
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  49. # [02:12] <Travis> Gary is getting his head in the game.
  50. # [02:12] <Travis> (Still sore at the recent Seahawks loss, I'm sure.)
  51. # [02:13] <masayuki> Ah, I have a news. Gecko will support .code in release build starting 38.
  52. # [02:13] <garykac> Yay!
  53. # [02:13] <Travis> Great!
  54. # [02:14] <garykac> I realize that I need to update the specs for the rename -> UIEvents and then ping "the powers that be" to have them redirect the short URLs as appropriate
  55. # [02:15] <masayuki> (38 will ship May, 2015)
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  57. # [02:16] <garykac> We're working on getting 'code' exposed as well. I don't recall the release schedule, though.
  58. # [02:16] <Travis> OK.
  59. # [02:17] <Travis> Gary and I have some updates to finish from last telco which we should be able to do this week.
  60. # [02:17] * Travis notes his wife would like him home early, so perhaps we can make this short :-)
  61. # [02:17] <Travis> Let's take a look at those bugs masayuki reference earlier.
  62. # [02:17] <Travis> Topic: Bug 27991
  63. # [02:17] <garykac> For 27991
  64. # [02:18] <garykac> I *think* that Numpad makes more sense (because of the arrangement of the keys)
  65. # [02:18] <garykac> But NumLock is not present, so I don't think that hacking Numpad to be true makes sense
  66. # [02:18] <garykac> s/Numpad/NumLock/
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  68. # [02:20] <masayuki> Okay, so, if they input [0-9], NumLock should be hacked, otherwise, shouldn't be hacked?
  69. # [02:20] <garykac> For 27990, my initial thought is NumpadAsterisk and NumpadHash
  70. # [02:20] <garykac> masayuki: I don't think we should set NumLock at all for these keys.
  71. # [02:21] <Travis> I commented in the bug--I suggested Digit for the horizontal layout.
  72. # [02:22] <Travis> ... I'd expect more common code would look for digits, rather than numpad keys.
  73. # [02:22] <masayuki> Wow, is there horizontal layout?
  74. # [02:22] <garykac> The 'Digit*' keys are the one that have punct in their shifted state (US layout). They do not produce digits for some other layouts (like French), so the Digit codes don't seem appropriate for the phone numpad keys.
  75. # [02:22] <garykac> masayuki: horizontal as opposed to in a 2d grid
  76. # [02:23] <garykac> masayuki: 1d (horizontal row) vs. 2d (3x4 grid)
  77. # [02:24] <masayuki> garykac: Thanks, I've never seen 1d in Japan.
  78. # [02:25] <masayuki> I still have no idea which is better... (Numpad* vs. Digit*)
  79. # [02:26] <garykac> I'm adding a comment to the bug.
  80. # [02:26] <garykac> I don't think that Digit is appropriate for Phone keypads.
  81. # [02:27] <Travis> I think it's mostly arbitrary, but we should recommend one or the other. Digit works for me.
  82. # [02:27] <Travis> ... but I could go with either.
  83. # [02:27] <Travis> ... but not both :-)
  84. # [02:28] <Travis> If we do Numpad*, then bug 27990 is easier to resolve.
  85. # [02:29] <Travis> ... code of Digit3 doesn't conflict with code of NumpadHash
  86. # [02:29] <Travis> ... or we could have the numbers be Numpad*, and just reuse Digit3 for the code of #.
  87. # [02:31] <masayuki> I think there are two scenarios one is some developers use scancode which is used by PC keyboard, the other is some developers use scancode which is NOT used by PC keyboard.
  88. # [02:32] <garykac> masayuki: Phone keypads in the US have '#' and '*', but is that universal?
  89. # [02:32] <masayuki> For the former, Digit3 and Digit8 may make sense. For the latter, NumpadHash and NumpadAsterisk may be good values.
  90. # [02:33] <masayuki> gacykac: I'm not sure, but Japanese phones have them and in some countries, they are.
  91. # [02:34] <masayuki> https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=phone%201d%20layout&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=ja&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=Wq_aVJHJM5fz8gXAwIHgAg#um=1&hl=ja&tbm=isch&q=featurephone+buttons&imgdii=_
  92. # [02:35] <Travis> Topic: Bug 27990
  93. # [02:35] <garykac> I think that NumpadAsterisk and Hash make the most sense for phones in all cases. If you hook up your phone to a PC, I would still expect to see the Numpad values.
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  95. # [02:36] <garykac> Digit3 and Digit8 just happen to match (shifted) the # and *, but that's only for the US locale and that seems very arbitrary.
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  97. # [02:37] <masayuki> garykac: yeah, but there might be no unused scancode.
  98. # [02:37] <garykac> masayuki: thanks for the link. The '#' and '*' keys seem pretty universal.
  99. # [02:37] <garykac> masayuki: unused scancode? why does that matter?
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  101. # [02:39] <masayuki> garykac: If so, vendors might map scancode which are used by PC keyboard. Then, browsers cannot distinguish the key event comes from the keys on feature phone or connected PC keyboard.
  102. # [02:40] <masayuki> Ah, but it could be solved with virtual keycode values if the platform has specific keycode values for them.
  103. # [02:42] <masayuki> Anyway, I'd like you to add featurephone section into D3E KeyboardEvent code spec.
  104. # [02:45] <garykac> masayuki: we could expand the "Numpad" section to include a feature phone keypad. Since the other keypad values are there, it seems like a good place for that info to live.
  105. # [02:46] <garykac> masayuki: File a bug for me to add a section for that.
  106. # [02:46] <masayuki> garykac: Okay!
  107. # [02:47] <garykac> That's probably about it for today...
  108. # [02:47] <Travis> Anything else to go over?
  109. # [02:47] <masayuki> Nothing.
  110. # [02:48] <garykac> See you all in two weeks.
  111. # [02:48] <Travis> Awesome. Two weeks!
  112. # [02:48] <garykac> I hope to have the renaming in place by then.
  113. # [02:48] <garykac> And the phone keys shouldn't take long to add.
  114. # [02:49] <garykac> Bye!
  115. # [02:49] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  116. # [02:49] <Zakim> - +1.425.893.aaaa
  117. # [02:49] <Zakim> RWC_WAPI()8:00PM has ended
  118. # [02:49] <Zakim> Attendees were [Microsoft], +1.425.893.aaaa
  119. # [02:49] <masayuki> Thanks!
  120. # [02:49] <Travis> RRSAgent, please make the minutes
  121. # [02:49] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/11-webapps-minutes.html Travis
  122. # [02:50] <Travis> RRSAgent: make logs public
  123. # [02:50] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, Travis
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  125. # [02:54] <masayuki> garykac: I filed https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27996
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  198. # [13:52] <artb> Meeting: DOM Events
  199. # [13:52] <artb> Chair: Travis
  200. # [13:53] <artb> Present: Travis, Gary, Masayuki
  201. # [13:53] <artb> RRSAgent, make minutes
  202. # [13:53] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/11-webapps-minutes.html artb
  203. # [13:54] <artb> Meeting: DOM and UI Events
  204. # [13:54] <artb> RRSAgent, make minutes
  205. # [13:54] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/02/11-webapps-minutes.html artb
  206. # [14:00] <artb> RRSAgent, bye
  207. # [14:00] <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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  270. # [23:48] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@public.cloak) (Ping timeout: 180 seconds)
  271. # [23:52] * nickstenn is now known as zz_nickstenn
  272. # [23:55] * Joins: tantek (~tantek@public.cloak)
  273. # Session Close: Thu Feb 12 00:00:00 2015

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