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  1. # Session Start: Wed Mar 11 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #webapps
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  11. # [01:03] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/03/11-webapps-irc
  12. # [01:03] <Travis> Zakim, this is D3E
  13. # [01:03] <Zakim> sorry, Travis, I do not see a conference named 'D3E' in progress or scheduled at this time
  14. # [01:03] <Travis> Zakim, this is DOM3
  15. # [01:03] <Zakim> Travis, I see RWC_WAPI()8:00PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be DOM3".
  16. # [01:03] <Travis> Zakim, this will be DOM3
  17. # [01:03] <Zakim> ok, Travis; I see RWC_WAPI()8:00PM scheduled to start 3 minutes ago
  18. # [01:03] <Travis> rrsagent, this meeting spans midnight
  19. # [01:03] <RRSAgent> ok, Travis; I will not start a new log at midnight
  20. # [01:04] <Zakim> RWC_WAPI()8:00PM has now started
  21. # [01:04] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  22. # [01:04] <Travis> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
  23. # [01:04] <Zakim> +Travis; got it
  24. # [01:04] * plh zakim, call plh-mobile
  25. # [01:04] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  26. # [01:04] <Zakim> +Plh
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  28. # [01:06] <Travis> Agenda+ PLH to hear plans for next steps on publishing
  29. # [01:06] * Zakim notes agendum 1 added
  30. # [01:06] <Travis> a?
  31. # [01:06] <Travis> agenda?
  32. # [01:06] * Zakim sees 1 item remaining on the agenda:
  33. # [01:06] * Zakim 1. PLH to hear plans for next steps on publishing [from Travis]
  34. # [01:06] <Travis> Topic: Waiting for Gary
  35. # [01:06] <Travis> ...
  36. # [01:06] <Zakim> + +1.650.390.aaaa
  37. # [01:07] <Travis> zakim, +1.650 is garykac
  38. # [01:07] <Zakim> +garykac; got it
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  41. # [01:08] <plh> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dom3events/raw-file/tip/html/DOM3-Events.html
  42. # [01:09] <Travis> topic: status of the editor's draft
  43. # [01:10] <Travis> garykac: we hadn't moved locale and getKeyboardState into D3E because they required more spec work.
  44. # [01:10] <Travis> ... we also knew that keyboard locale was underspecified.
  45. # [01:11] <Travis> ... there was one other thing...
  46. # [01:11] * plh thinks a LatestAppleGizmoEvent as well
  47. # [01:12] * plh s//we need/
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  49. # [01:12] * Travis plh: you're welcome to start a new spec for that!
  50. # [01:13] <garykac> See the Input Device API Sketch : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WLadG2dn4vlCewOmUtUEoRsThiptC7Ox28CRmYUn8Uw/edit
  51. # [01:13] <Travis> garykac: specifically:
  52. # [01:13] <garykac> Section: "What information should be supplied for keyboards?"
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  54. # [01:16] <garykac> It was suggested that there should a sourceDevice field in the events.
  55. # [01:17] <Travis> ... I think the immedate problem is the difference between real touch vs. synthesized touch.
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  57. # [01:17] <Travis> Seems like 'isTrusted' is the answer to that.
  58. # [01:19] <Travis> garykac: Browsers have created "fake" mouse events when some touch events happen--trying to find the 'real' events.
  59. # [01:20] <Travis> Should we fork off the old UIEvents to continue to develop those concepts, or fold them into D3E/UIEvents?
  60. # [01:24] <Travis> garykac: I really don't want to put the old UIEvents content back--it would slow us down.
  61. # [01:24] <Travis> plh: Trying to understand
  62. # [01:24] <Travis> ... shelf old UI Events as a note
  63. # [01:24] <Travis> ... but give someone else the option of picking it up in the future?
  64. # [01:24] <Travis> ... if someone started working on it later, would it go into the new UIEvents, or something else?
  65. # [01:25] <Travis> garykac: if they wanted 'locale' it might go to the spec that Rik is proposing.
  66. # [01:25] <Travis> ... for queryKeyCap, it's more nebulous
  67. # [01:25] <Travis> ... could go anywhere
  68. # [01:25] <Travis> plh: Whoever wanted to pick it up would need to figure out how to move it forward.
  69. # [01:26] <Travis> garykac: Yes, we can solve that problem later.
  70. # [01:26] <Travis> I think publishing as a note reflects they way things are.
  71. # [01:27] <Travis> garykac: are there practical implications to leaving active vs. publishing as a note.
  72. # [01:27] <Travis> plh: would the note be the current contents of UIEvents (old)?
  73. # [01:27] <Travis> garykac: yes, minus the boilerplate.
  74. # [01:28] <Travis> plh: Would someone write that up, and let me know? I can then take the next step?
  75. # [01:28] <Travis> garykac: It should say:
  76. # [01:28] * Travis "This spec is dead" j/k
  77. # [01:29] <Travis> This was originally part of the original D3E spec which we've shelved for now, as we don't have time to work out the details of 'locale' and other features may be subsumed by a [potential] input events spec
  78. # [01:29] <Travis> plh: That's sufficient, thanks!
  79. # [01:29] <Travis> plh: I'll let you know what phraseology I come up with and then go from there.
  80. # [01:30] <Travis> garykac: We can still fix as many bugs as possible, but this is a good time to re-publish (with the new name).
  81. # [01:30] <Travis> ... we'd rather do this sooner than later.
  82. # [01:31] <plh> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dom3events/raw-file/tip/html/DOM3-Events.html
  83. # [01:31] <plh> should be http://www.w3.org/TR/uievents/
  84. # [01:31] <plh> (instead of http://www.w3.org/TR/UI-Events/)
  85. # [01:36] <Travis> I think we are then ready to re-publish D3E/UIEvents.
  86. # [01:38] <Zakim> -Plh
  87. # [01:38] <Travis> (Gary is fixing the bug in the header, so that the link to the latest published version is updated.)
  88. # [01:47] <garykac> The link in the header is fixed to point to w3.org/tr/uievents/
  89. # [01:49] <Travis> Topic: looking at bugs
  90. # [01:50] <Travis> garykac: 27991 - looks like we need a spot to clarify this in the spec
  91. # [01:50] <Travis> ... maybe resolved with just a note?
  92. # [01:52] <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
  93. # [01:52] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/11-webapps-minutes.html MikeSmith
  94. # [01:57] <Travis> travis: meeting on the 24th?
  95. # [01:57] <Travis> garykac: sounds good.
  96. # [01:57] <Zakim> -Travis
  97. # [01:57] <Zakim> -garykac
  98. # [01:57] <Zakim> RWC_WAPI()8:00PM has ended
  99. # [01:57] <Zakim> Attendees were Travis, Plh, +1.650.390.aaaa, garykac
  100. # [01:57] <Travis> RRSAgent: make logs public
  101. # [01:57] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, Travis
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