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  107. # [20:05] * smaug wonders where the idea to merge webapps and html wgs came from
  108. # [20:13] <ArtB> smaug, yt?
  109. # [20:13] <smaug> yup
  110. # [20:14] <ArtB> I think the first time I heard the merge proposal was over two years ago
  111. # [20:15] <ArtB> I think the proponents thought that (at the time), HTMLWG wasn't an especially good environment to work and that the group should adopt some of WebApps' "work mode"
  112. # [20:15] <ArtB> and they did (adopt some)
  113. # [20:15] <ArtB> More recently, there were related threads in https://github.com/w3c/charter-html/issues
  114. # [20:15] <ArtB> For instance https://github.com/w3c/charter-html/issues/14
  115. # [20:15] <smaug> many people seem to think it would be odd merge of not-well-working wg with a well working wg
  116. # [20:16] <ArtB> https://github.com/w3c/charter-html/issues/18
  117. # [20:16] <MikeSmith> smaug: first off, it's not a merge
  118. # [20:16] <MikeSmith> smaug: there were (are) about 400 participants in the HTML WG
  119. # [20:16] <ArtB> smaug, I can understand that view
  120. # [20:16] <MikeSmith> those 400 participants are not going to be joining the new group
  121. # [20:16] <ArtB> I think my replies in the above issues cover my view point
  122. # [20:17] <ArtB> to some extent, I think the "merge" proposal was the least objectionable option
  123. # [20:17] <MikeSmith> what's happening is simply that the WebApps WG is being rechartered to include features that previously were in the scope of the old HTML WG
  124. # [20:17] <ArtB> (IMHO, "better" than splitting these two WGs in >= 4 WGs)
  125. # [20:17] <smaug> MikeSmith: The email I just re-read says: "The proposal to merge the WebApps WG and the HTML WG has started a formal review period that ends September 10". So, I wasn't the first one to use word "merge" ;)
  126. # [20:18] <MikeSmith> ArtB: it's not a "merge" and we should not call it that, because it's very misleading
  127. # [20:18] <ArtB> well I call BS on that
  128. # [20:18] <smaug> MikeSmith: ah, so what those 400 participants will do then?
  129. # [20:18] <MikeSmith> smaug: yeah well, clearly people don't listen to me
  130. # [20:18] <MikeSmith> and I don't write those mails
  131. # [20:18] <MikeSmith> smaug: to the CG
  132. # [20:18] <MikeSmith> the WICG
  133. # [20:18] <ArtB> it is indeed a merge although the media stuff goes into a separate WG so I guess from that perspective it isn't indeed a strict merge
  134. # [20:19] <MikeSmith> smaug: please share this info with others at Mozilla, and feel free to tell them I'm the one who said it
  135. # [20:19] <smaug> k
  136. # [20:20] <MikeSmith> we have not intention of adopting the old HTML WG culture into this new group
  137. # [20:20] <MikeSmith> *no intention
  138. # [20:20] * smaug would just keep WebApps WG and add whatever specs is needed to its plate
  139. # [20:20] <smaug> and close then HTML WG
  140. # [20:20] <ArtB> smaug, FWIW, as long as I am involved (as a chair), my expectation is to make it a #1 priority that WebApps current deliverables do not get sidetracked in this Super Duper WG
  141. # [20:21] <MikeSmith> ArtB: what Art said
  142. # [20:21] <smaug> good good
  143. # [20:21] <MikeSmith> we have a great chair
  144. # [20:22] <ArtB> smaug, I'd be happy to state what I said above in a reply to the https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/rQ1oShfLtsk thread. IFF you think it would be helpful and appropriate
  145. # [20:22] * ArtB is happy to remain silent too ;-)
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