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  1. # Session Start: Tue Oct 13 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #webapps
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  15. # [09:04] * Topic is 'Web Platform WG (fka WebApps); IRC log http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/'
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  37. # [14:09] <gsnedders> ArtB: do I need to do anything beyond the IE application to get into the Web Platform WG? My memory is having to prod someone?
  38. # [14:09] <ArtB> gsnedders - yes, you must submit a new IE app for WPWG
  39. # [14:10] <ArtB> and that is all, AFAIK
  40. # [14:10] <gsnedders> And just wait for someone to action it?
  41. # [14:11] <@Yves> yep, it should happen RSN
  42. # [14:11] <gsnedders> https://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/83482/instructions would seem relevant
  43. # [14:11] <ArtB> yes gsnedders. If you don't receive a reply within a few days of submitting the IE app, please ping me
  44. # [14:12] <gsnedders> Will do.
  45. # [14:12] <ArtB> that's a nice resource (didn't know it existed (for each WG))
  46. # [14:13] <gsnedders> Am I going to end up being an invited expert at TPAC technically not in any group? Would be amusing!
  47. # [14:14] <chaals> No, you get invited to a particular group IIRC
  48. # [14:14] <gsnedders> a formerly invited expert? ;P
  49. # [14:15] <@Yves> an expert, invited to TPAC
  50. # [14:16] <gsnedders> chaals: BTW, what was your plan about the HTML5 Testing session? Got an email from Kepeng Li asking how it related to the session myself and fantasai proposed. Are you just looking to discuss what further tests HTML5 needs?
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  52. # [14:25] <chaals> gsnedders: I am looking to talk to the Web Platform chairs today and figure out what the story is with HTML stuff in general, and that is one piece of the question…
  53. # [14:26] <chaals> Currently I have no plan, and am meant to be at the Advisory Board meeting … but that doesn't seem like a good approach.
  54. # [14:28] <gsnedders> chaals: to me it seems like there's three bits to the testing puzzle…
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  56. # [14:29] <gsnedders> a) getting the tests to a state where people actually want to run them in their CI systems (because otherwise they're not very useful outside of exiting CR)
  57. # [14:29] <gsnedders> b) ensuring we actually have enough tests for what we have spec'd
  58. # [14:29] <gsnedders> and c) improving the quality of the tests we have
  59. # [14:30] <gsnedders> a) is essentially the session myself and fantasai were planning on; b) I feel like it should be dealt with primarily by the WGs in their time (though feel free to rope those of us dealing with this at a high level in), and c) could really go either in the WGs or in some other meeting
  60. # [14:35] <jgraham> Testing meeting?
  61. # [14:37] <gsnedders> jgraham: see https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2015/SessionIdeas if you mean what I think you do?
  62. # [14:39] <jgraham> gsnedders: I think there's a broken premise there
  63. # [14:40] <jgraham> gecko/servo are proof that running all the tests is possible
  64. # [14:40] <jgraham> All the work is standing that up for each browser
  65. # [14:41] <ArtB> (sweet! re gecko/servo and what is possible)
  66. # [14:41] <gsnedders> jgraham: I was led to believe Gecko wasn't running even all the CSS reftests?
  67. # [14:41] <jgraham> (I mean I'm very happy to have a discussion on that topic, but realistically I imagine it will go the same way as the last N times I've had teh same discussion)
  68. # [14:41] <jgraham> gsnedders: I actually don't know what gecko does with CSS reftests
  69. # [14:42] <jgraham> But we trivially could run all of them using the same setup that Servo has
  70. # [14:42] <jgraham> i.e. wptrunner
  71. # [14:42] <gsnedders> jgraham: I mean in practice most of a) is automating more tests, AFAIK
  72. # [14:43] <jgraham> Well sure, if you're talking about CSS specifically
  73. # [14:43] <gsnedders> I think it's true for wpt too, given there's not so much to do there in general :)
  74. # [14:43] <jgraham> I don't think that's a serious problem for other groups, except for cases where we haven't developed the automation technology at all
  75. # [14:44] <gsnedders> yeah, that's obviously the big issue at the moment for wpt
  76. # [14:44] <jgraham> I don't think that needs a meeting so much as a contributer to do the work :)
  77. # [14:45] <gsnedders> And likely someone to pay some contributor to do the work, given the amount…
  78. # [14:45] <jgraham> We are hoping to do a purely volunteer "Season of Contribution" programme at Moz. soon which should have that as a project
  79. # [14:45] <jgraham> But it is purely volunteer.
  80. # [14:46] <jgraham> Otherwise I will put it forward next time we do Outreachy or if we are ever allowed interns in London, or if Google decide that we're allowed on GSoC again
  81. # [14:47] <gsnedders> I mean probably half the problem is just getting someone around Blink to do the work to get them running some of the tests, but there's still their runtime complaints
  82. # [14:48] <gsnedders> or have those gone away with me missing them?
  83. # [14:48] <jgraham> I don't know what the runtime complaints are
  84. # [14:48] <gsnedders> that the time to run all the tests was just too damned high
  85. # [14:48] <jgraham> I don't think they've seriously tried to run all the tests. Someone got as far as standing up wptserve, so it's at least theoretically more possible
  86. # [14:49] <jgraham> But they still have this ultra-laborious import process
  87. # [14:49] <gsnedders> do we know about MS and wpt?
  88. # [14:49] <jgraham> Of course not
  89. # [14:49] <gsnedders> :)
  90. # [14:49] <gsnedders> I mean I think it's relatively clear they're running the CSS stuff through some SPARTAN-like system.
  91. # [14:50] <gsnedders> But the fact that they haven't pushed any metadata fixes is a bit o_O
  92. # [14:53] <gsnedders> In general there's more work around the csswg-test repo, but that's undoubtedly in part just because it's been around longer with laxer policies
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