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  1. # Session Start: Wed Nov 04 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #webapps
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  17. # [02:05] <Travis> UIEvents folks: WebEx client won't let me connect--says the meeting has been cancelled.
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  19. # [02:06] <garykac> I'm getting a message saying that the number is invalid or the meeting hasn't started.
  20. # [02:06] <garykac> Could it be related to the time zone change?
  21. # [02:06] <garykac> I mean daylight savings time.
  22. # [02:06] <Travis> Hmm...
  23. # [02:07] <Travis> This tells me its cancelled: https://mit.webex.com/mw3000/mywebex/default.do?service=1&siteurl=mit&main_url=%2Fmc3000%2Fe.do%3Fsiteurl%3Dmit%26AT%3DMI%26EventID%3D0
  24. # [02:07] <garykac> Well then, our work here is done, it seems.
  25. # [02:08] <Travis> :_
  26. # [02:08] <Travis> :)
  27. # [02:08] <Travis> (That was the redirected link)
  28. # [02:08] <Travis> The original is: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5bc20b6f3ce7fa6b1b77fb810451472c
  29. # [02:08] <Travis> Well, we can meet over IRC as well...
  30. # [02:09] <Travis> Agenda?
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  32. # [02:09] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/11/04-webapps-irc
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  36. # [02:10] <garykac> Review TPAC.
  37. # [02:11] <garykac> Identify next high-prio items
  38. # [02:12] <garykac> A summary of items we discussed at TPAC:
  39. # [02:12] <garykac> Add 'Unidentified' to the |code| spec to be used when the code value cannot be determined (eg, with virtual keyboards)
  40. # [02:12] <garykac> Add descriptive text specifying how |code| should be set for virtual keyboards
  41. # [02:12] <garykac> Add images in spec for phone arrow pad and numpad section (show position of '*' and '#').
  42. # [02:12] <garykac> Remove the virtual modifier key 'Accel'
  43. # [02:13] <garykac> Remove the 'OS' key and have Windows return 'Meta' (similar to Mac)
  44. # [02:13] <garykac> Update section on mobile phone keys to specify that arrow keys and Enter should be used for the Android dpad keys.
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  46. # [02:13] <garykac> Need to add example showing how composition events should fire when the composition string overflows the IME buffer.
  47. # [02:14] <garykac> Those are the big items that I have from TPAC.
  48. # [02:14] <Travis> Have these issues been committed in the spec yet?
  49. # [02:14] <garykac> There were also various updates to the |key| values based on Android KEYCODEs.
  50. # [02:15] <garykac> I haven't written the updated descriptions nor have I created the new images.
  51. # [02:15] <garykac> But most of the |key| values have been updated.
  52. # [02:16] <garykac> I have a few more small updates (the "11" and "12" key, plus an updated desc for the "0" key for the HDMI-CEC usage)
  53. # [02:16] <Travis> OK. Perhaps we should focus this week on landing those changes and then meet next week to review the next round? Also, I'd like to start a testing plan...
  54. # [02:17] <garykac> My assumption is that the work related to Ranges and contentEditable are being done by the Editing task force. And that we only need to track it to make sure it keeps moving forward.
  55. # [02:17] <garykac> The lack of progress with testing is my biggest disappointment with TPAC - the Editing meeting took over the time I wanted to spend on that. :-(
  56. # [02:18] <garykac> But we can do the testing on our own, whereas the Editing work needed the big group together...
  57. # [02:18] <garykac> travis: sgtm
  58. # [02:19] <garykac> I'll make my remaining changes over the next few days.
  59. # [02:19] <Travis> That is my basic understanding as well. There was some discussion with the Editing TF about where to spec some of their changes, and I can't recall if we landed on a resolution.
  60. # [02:20] <Travis> e.g., should the input and beforeInput algorithms be incorporated into our doc or kept in theirs...
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  62. # [02:23] <masayuki> SGTM, input and beforeinput are important for the relation between keyboard events and composition events. The document which recommend web developers to use them instead of key events should be in UIEvents spec.
  63. # [02:23] <garykac> As for where this should live, the Edit TF will keep |beforeinput| and |input| for now, but we need to keep the info about the order of events (relative to other events) in UIEvents.
  64. # [02:24] <garykac> So, the info will be split (unfortunately) between Editing and UIEvents.
  65. # [02:26] <garykac> Longer term, I think it makes sense to move the InputEvent IDL into UIEvents.
  66. # [02:26] <garykac> But it makes sense for it to stay in Editing for the time being as long as they are actively working on it and making progress.
  67. # [02:26] <garykac> To clarify: the info will be split because all of the Editing info related to these events belongs in the Editing spec, not in UIEvents. Whereas UIEvents needs to have the event-order info.
  68. # [02:29] <garykac> masayuki: There was one |key| value that changed name: 'MediaSkip' -> 'MediaSkipForward'
  69. # [02:29] <garykac> Because we now have 'MediaSkipBackward'
  70. # [02:30] <masayuki> garykac: Oh, thank you for the information.
  71. # [02:32] <garykac> That's all I have for this week.
  72. # [02:33] <garykac> I'll be landing the updates we agreed up over the next week.
  73. # [02:33] <masayuki> I think that Firefox will follow the new key spec at Firefox 45 or 46.
  74. # [02:34] <garykac> masayuki: I should have all those Android key codes that you requested added to the spec in the next week.
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  76. # [02:34] <masayuki> garykac: Thank you for your great work!!
  77. # [02:35] <garykac> No problem. I love the progress that Mozilla is making in this area.
  78. # [02:35] <garykac> For next week, I think we should split time 50/50 between going over the bugs and working on a test plan.
  79. # [02:36] <garykac> Probably start with bugs and then switch over to testing...
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  81. # [02:44] <Travis> Sounds good to me.
  82. # [02:47] <garykac> I just fixed https://github.com/w3c/DOM-Level-3-Events-code/issues/6 (removing USB Usage IDs from the |code| tables.
  83. # [02:49] <garykac> By next week, my plan is to close out all the |key| and |code| bugs.
  84. # [02:49] <garykac> Anyway, I'm going to head out. now.
  85. # [02:50] <garykac> Same time next week?
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  87. # [02:50] <Travis> Same time.
  88. # [02:50] <Travis> Thanks Gary.
  89. # [02:50] <masayuki> Okay, see you next week.
  90. # [02:50] <garykac> See you all then.
  91. # [02:50] <garykac> Thanks
  92. # [02:52] <Travis> RRSAgent, please generate the minutes
  93. # [02:52] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/04-webapps-minutes.html Travis
  94. # [02:52] <Travis> RRSAgent, make logs public
  95. # [02:52] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, Travis
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