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# Session Start: Wed Oct 10 00:00:00 2012
# Session Ident: #webplatform
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# [00:00] <Flpms> What thinking about selective loading for html5
# [00:00] <sonotos> ok, i think i should read first some docu about mediawiki / wiki syntaxt / guidelines
# [00:00] <YsenGrimm> by folks
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# [00:00] <Romario> Boa noite
# [00:00] <@paul_irish> shepazu: can we add more moderators to the forums? how is that done? i have a few people in mind already
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# [00:01] <Tomato> shepazu, http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Template:Flags on this page it says to click edit to see the flags, but I can't click edit anywhere and it's hard to navigate to, is there any way to make it so we can push "view source"?
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# [00:02] <Nick_Zaccardi> So I am wondering. I am looking at the HTML page on the docs... to what detail should we add. It talks briefly about the Background, but I doubt we want to give a full history of HTML. Thoughts?
# [00:02] <AWSullivan> Okay... so webplatform.org is an irc channel? ;)
# [00:02] <mstalfoort> ppk_, awesome fronteers again this year, had a very good time again
# [00:03] <@Garbee> AWSullivan, An IRC channel is one part of it.
# [00:03] <@Garbee> It is *so* much more.
# [00:03] <@Garbee> But, do feel free to love us anyways.
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# [00:03] <AWSullivan> <3
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# [00:03] <@shepazu> paul_irish: ultimately, once we get the SSO working, all admins will be forum admins too
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# [00:04] <@shepazu> but in the meantime...
# [00:04] <@paul_irish> :)
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# [00:04] <sonotos> shepazu: what are you using? x.509 certs
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# [00:05] <@Garbee> Hopefully I can have things tidied up at the shop here so I can chat the rest of the night. See you guys in hopefully 30 minutes.
# [00:05] <justinBeaudry> I left the room via my client and now I'm no longer a mod. :(
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# [00:05] <deblan_> Hi! On which server the chan is please?
# [00:05] <sonotos> it's possible to give access levels for chans to registered users
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# [00:05] <@paul_irish> deblan_: freenode
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# [00:06] <@paul_irish> sonotos: what do you mean
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# [00:06] <deblan_> thanks
# [00:06] <yerson> hi :)
# [00:06] <sonotos> paul_irish: if you want to give persistent op rights to users you can increase their access level in a channel
# [00:06] <sonotos> shepazu: is founder he has the highest
# [00:07] <@paul_irish> yeah i plan on doing that
# [00:07] <sonotos> ah ok
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# [00:08] <deblan> a true irc client :)
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# [00:09] <Tomato> shepazu, if subpages are enabled, can't people just add the mediawiki language tags after a page to start translating? For example like.. CSS/jp for a japanese page.
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# [00:09] <Hidoussi> Hi
# [00:10] <Agm114K2A> Hey
# [00:10] <be> i create a chat like this with js
# [00:10] <ThatGuyMeho> that tha hell is web platform
# [00:10] <be> in realtime
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# [00:10] <sonotos> is webplatform defined als everything that runs in the browser or would be content about server side programming languages also interesting?
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# [00:10] <ThatGuyMeho> be this is an irc chat so it definatly involves more than just js
# [00:11] <mstalfoort> sonotos, primary focus is frontend
# [00:11] <Agm114K2A> You can probably make something with JS that works with an IRC server
# [00:11] <sonotos> mstalfoort: thx
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# [00:11] <be> not
# [00:11] <be> my solution is more simple
# [00:11] <sonotos> Agm114K2A: not as long the irc server has no http interface
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# [00:12] <ThatGuyMeho> well you could use ajax chat
# [00:12] <Agm114K2A> I'm terrible at front end stuff, mostly backend. I hired a designer for my site
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# [00:12] <be> jus i update a procedure of a database for every 5 seconds
# [00:12] <sonotos> s/no/a
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# [00:12] <Agm114K2A> Sonotos: true, so yeah it'd be something in there that pushes it via http
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# [00:13] <@shepazu> everyone welcome paul_irish, pretender to the throne!
# [00:13] <mstalfoort> there has been a discussions about adding backend languages, but merely in a short informative way and click to other sites with more info about the specific lang
# [00:13] <@paul_irish> lol
# [00:13] <Agm114K2A> Sonotos: php or something
# [00:13] <waldir> is there a procedure for requesting admin rights at the wiki?
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# [00:13] <sonotos> Agm114K2A: yes i think so
# [00:13] <be> to script the procedure i use php with mysql
# [00:14] <@paul_irish> waldir: not yet.. what do you want admin for
# [00:14] <be> just 50 lines of code.
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# [00:14] <waldir> paul_irish: there are some pages that need deleting, and general cleanup
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# [00:15] <waldir> paul_irish: I have been an active editor and administrator at Wikipedia and several other wikis
# [00:15] <waldir> I just want to help :)
# [00:15] <@paul_irish> waldir: sounds awesome :) sure let me dig around
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# [00:16] <Agm114K2A> I'm getting the vibe that wp is like w3schools but user generated
# [00:16] <waldir> paul_irish: the people who can grant adminship are these: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&group=bureaucrat
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# [00:16] <mstalfoort> paul_irish, shepazu are these chat logs saved in some way? if not, is that wanted?
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# [00:16] <Tomato> waldir, you can mark pages for deletion with the flags.
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# [00:16] <Yara162> wassup here ?
# [00:16] <sonotos> waldir: don't missunderstand me, your're right there are several garbage pages, it's just very funny seeing a wp admin coming to delete :-) we had a some nice disussions in germany about deleting
# [00:16] <waldir> Tomato: which ones? I feel a little lost
# [00:17] <waldir> sonotos: hahah don't worry, I'm not a deletionist :P
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# [00:17] <waldir> I am what we call a wikignome, mostly I do uncontroversial maintenance edits :)
# [00:17] <@shepazu> mstalfoort: http://talk.webplatform.org/chatlogs
# [00:17] <sonotos> waldir: :-)
# [00:18] <Tomato> I'm a little lost too, haha, with the Flags template, you can probably just paste this in on a page: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=File:68468856805196873Z4VvJoUzc.jpeg&action=edit here's an example on a spam file.
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# [00:18] <be> here is the function that do the magic
# [00:18] <be> function () { $('#chatbox').load('includes/run.php').fadeIn("slow"); }, 10); // 10 milliseconds
# [00:18] <@shepazu> mstalfoort: but we want to improve that logger�. if you want to help, let us know
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# [00:18] <Tomato> Also waldir, do you know Pawel, he's an admin on Wikipedia, I used to work with him. o; Maybe you know him.
# [00:18] <zerro911> it is not a magic
# [00:19] <be> why not ?
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# [00:19] <waldir> Tomato: the flags system will probably need a revamp. Having a comma separated string of issues prevents, for intance, categorization into things like [[Category:Pages to delete]], etc
# [00:19] <sonotos> lol
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# [00:19] <@paul_irish> sonotos: in german WP? or in germany in general?
# [00:19] <Tomato> Yeah it obviously needs a revamp, sadly no one can edit the templates so I just tried to work with what was there.
# [00:19] <Tomato> I'll throw it in a category too then.
# [00:19] <sonotos> be: cause we know how it works, that demystifies it a little
# [00:19] <mstalfoort> shepazu, i can ping someone who has made something like you just showed me
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# [00:20] <waldir> Tomato: I don't think I know Pawel (at least i haven't interacted directly with him)
# [00:20] <zerro911> what's the time?
# [00:20] <Nick_Zaccardi> If an HTML attribute is specified on MSDN as something and the spec as something else. Take the spec word?
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# [00:21] <sonotos> paul_irish: i remeber a longer public discussion about some admins who deleted many even good articles
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# [00:21] <@paul_irish> Nick_Zaccardi: probably. what's the example/
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# [00:21] <Nick_Zaccardi> choff should be charoff
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# [00:21] <sonotos> public more in relation to the net people
# [00:21] <Tomato> waldir, oh okay, I thought the wikipedia admins talked to each other.
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# [00:22] <Nick_Zaccardi> Not really a big deal as I think no one uses charoff
# [00:22] <Nick_Zaccardi> but I am just picked one to get started
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# [00:22] <waldir> Tomato: many do. As I said, I tend to mostly do the backstage work, rather than discussion-heavy stuff like blovkings, deletions, etc
# [00:22] <Nick_Zaccardi> paul_irish: W3C spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/tables.html#adef-charoff
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# [00:23] <@paul_irish> ppk_ IanJ_: i'll need you guys to register your nick /msg nickserv help register
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# [00:23] <sonotos> net people and the german wp
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# [00:23] <@paul_irish> sonotos: gotcha ok. just curious. :)
# [00:23] <Nick_Zaccardi> paul_irish: MSDN reference: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/ms533557(v=vs.85).aspx
# [00:23] <as> hi all
# [00:23] <zorro911> hi
# [00:23] <waldir> Tomato: besides we are many... Dunbar's number says we can't possibly know each other :P
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# [00:23] <zorro911> what the purpose of this chat?
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# [00:24] <sonotos> chatting
# [00:24] <zorro911> yohhoo
# [00:24] <_cheney> paul, ryan, and divya? i'm awestruck
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# [00:24] <waldir> how do I turn off the entry/exit logs? this channel is so busy!
# [00:24] <zorro911> dniwe
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# [00:24] <@Ryan_Lane> _cheney: ?
# [00:24] <Nick_Zaccardi> waldir: What client are you using?
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# [00:24] <blondewalker> mIRC
# [00:24] <waldir> Nick_Zaccardi: the web-based one
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# [00:24] <IanJ_> Paul, should be done
# [00:24] <blondewalker> how to disable the messages?
# [00:24] <Bauce> When will WebPlatform be officially launched?
# [00:25] <_cheney> just a fan of your works
# [00:25] <@Ryan_Lane> Bauce: it is launched
# [00:25] <@Ryan_Lane> ah. thanks
# [00:25] <zorro911> good job guys
# [00:25] <@paul_irish> IanJ_: with "ianj" right?
# [00:25] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: hey, nice to see you here!
# [00:25] <IanJ_> Actually, I used IanJ_
# [00:25] <Nick_Zaccardi> waldir: not sure it can be done in there
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# [00:25] * IanJ_ is IanJ available?
# [00:25] <@paul_irish> it looks reggd
# [00:25] <Nick_Zaccardi> waldir: give me a moment to look it up
# [00:25] <@Ryan_Lane> waldir: you a wikimedia person? an openstack person? :)
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# [00:25] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: wikipedia :)
# [00:25] <IanJ_> I just tried to register IanJ as well
# [00:25] <@Ryan_Lane> heh
# [00:25] <waldir> and recently started contributing to mediawiki
# [00:25] <@Ryan_Lane> cool
# [00:26] <@paul_irish> IanJ_: i dont see ianj_ as registered so far
# [00:26] <IanJ_> how long does it take typically?
# [00:26] <_cheney> instant
# [00:26] <@paul_irish> instant i thought.
# [00:26] <@paul_irish> hey _cheney
# [00:26] <ppk_> paul_irish: Done
# [00:26] <_cheney> hi
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# [00:26] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: I am glad there are mediawiki experts here, the wiki needs some love
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# [00:26] <@Ryan_Lane> waldir: I'm actually doing the infrastructure work
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# [00:26] <@Ryan_Lane> not too much of the mediawiki stuff itself ;)
# [00:26] <@paul_irish> thanks ppk_. all set.
# [00:27] <IanJ_> where are you checking if registered?
# [00:27] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: I came here to ask for adminship
# [00:27] <@paul_irish> /msg nickserv info ianj_
# [00:27] <@Ryan_Lane> we have Hallo Welt doing the wiki development
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# [00:27] <@Ryan_Lane> waldir: cool
# [00:27] <@ppk_> paul_irish: Set for what?
# [00:27] <Nick_Zaccardi> waldir: What OS are you on?
# [00:27] <@ppk_> You're not going to give me even more responsibilities, are you?
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# [00:27] <waldir> Nick_Zaccardi: Windows 7 atm, usually Ubuntu
# [00:27] <@paul_irish> ppk_: just added you to the auto-op list here. that's all
# [00:28] <sonotos> Ryan_Lane: what means "Hallo Welt" is doing the wiki development? is this a nick?
# [00:28] <Tomato> We're allowed to ask for adminship?
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# [00:28] <@Ryan_Lane> sonotos: it's a company
# [00:28] <@ppk_> paul_irish: Ah, OK.
# [00:28] <@paul_irish> no more responsibilities but you will be able to kick/mute at will :)
# [00:28] <waldir> Tomato: there has to be a way
# [00:28] <@ppk_> Yes, good idea.
# [00:28] <waldir> Tomato: especially since this is supposed to be a community thing
# [00:28] <sonotos> Tomato: allowed of course, if you get it is another story
# [00:28] * IanJ_ did I do my registration correctly yet?
# [00:28] <@ppk_> Oh, and how do I message people privately?
# [00:28] <Tomato> I have been trying to coax shepazu into unprotecting the templates but it's not working.
# [00:28] <sonotos> Ryan_Lane: funny name :-)
# [00:28] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: which templates?
# [00:28] <@ppk_> I found a command list, but it doesn't have much to do with how this IRC server works.
# [00:28] <@Ryan_Lane> if they are used on the main page, it's a bad idea
# [00:28] <waldir> Tomato: I don't think that's a good idea
# [00:29] <Nick_Zaccardi> waldir: It appears you can not shut off the join/part messages unless you are on a client. Here is a list for Win http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/top-7-free-irc-clients-windows-7/
# [00:29] <_cheney> IanJ_ when you reg, freenode sends you an email
# [00:29] <be> where can i publich the chat ?
# [00:29] <waldir> We need to make it clear how to request adminship or request assistance from admins
# [00:29] <mstalfoort> ppk_, /msg <nick> <msg>
# [00:29] <@Ryan_Lane> waldir: agreed
# [00:29] * IanJ_ not got email yet...will stay tuned
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# [00:29] <Tomato> Ryan_Lane, like the Flags template, a lot of the templates could be expanded to include automatically categorizing things better, etc. o;
# [00:29] <ctoveloz[BR]> use hexchat
# [00:29] <ctoveloz[BR]> is the best
# [00:29] <ctoveloz[BR]> :)
# [00:29] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: right
# [00:29] <be> no
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# [00:29] <be> i create a chat from cero
# [00:29] <waldir> Nick_Zaccardi: webchat.freenode allows it but there are tabs there, including an "options" one, which seem to be hidden here
# [00:30] <be> and its only 50 lines of code
# [00:30] <be> i wanna share it
# [00:30] <sonotos> be github
# [00:30] <_cheney> IanJ_ after you get the email from freenode to confirm your email address then you need to identify: /msg nickserv identify yourpassword
# [00:30] <sonotos> that's the right place for sharing code
# [00:30] <IanJ_> ok
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# [00:30] <IanJ_> thanks _cheney for tips
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# [00:30] <_cheney> welcome
# [00:30] <Nick_Zaccardi> waldir: unfortunate :(
# [00:31] <waldir> Nick_Zaccardi: I'm gonna try entering from there
# [00:31] <Nick_Zaccardi> waldir: Good luck
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# [00:31] <be> i will call it, chat forever
# [00:32] <Nick_Zaccardi> paul_irish: Any suggestions about the chOff page?
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# [00:32] <@paul_irish> Nick_Zaccardi: iunno. for the next week ill be working on larger issues like user mgmt and IA before getting into html specifics :)
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# [00:33] <waldir> Nick_Zaccardi: all done :)
# [00:33] <Nick_Zaccardi> paul_irish: of course, I understand.
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# [00:33] <Nick_Zaccardi> waldir: Get it figured out?
# [00:33] <achraf> hello
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# [00:33] <waldir> Nick_Zaccardi: no, I entered from http://webchat.freenode.net/
# [00:34] <Nick_Zaccardi> waldir: Good deal.
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# [00:34] <waldir> Nick_Zaccardi: someone should change the parameters of the qwebirc embed code
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# [00:34] <waldir> to allow changing the options
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# [00:34] <justinBeaudry> Is there an easy way to find a list of pages that need editing by flags etc. ?
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# [00:35] <Tomato> Ryan_Lane, can I use the wiki API to fix a bunch of pages that got put into the wrong categories with a python bot?
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# [00:35] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: I'm not sure if we have a bot policy yet
# [00:35] <@Ryan_Lane> shepazu: ^^ ?
# [00:35] <be> for javascript i only use this
# [00:35] <be> "></script> <script type="text/javascript"> var auto_refresh = setInterval( function () { $('#chatbox').load('includes/run.php').fadeIn("slow"); }, 10); // 10 milliseconds $(document).ready(function () { $('#chatear').click(chatear); function chatear() { $.post('chat.php',$("#rom").serialize()); $('#mensaje').val(''); } }); </script>
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# [00:36] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: technically, yes ;)
# [00:36] <be> that's all
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# [00:36] <Tomato> Okay. :3
# [00:36] <@Ryan_Lane> paul_irish: ^^ ?
# [00:36] <waldir> Ryan_Lane, you're a bureaucrat, would you give me the admin bit?
# [00:36] <@Ryan_Lane> heh
# [00:36] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane, not sure :)
# [00:37] <@Ryan_Lane> I'm technically one :)
# [00:37] <sonotos> be: go to github if you want to find somebody who's maybe interested
# [00:37] <Zeca_Brito> hi
# [00:37] <@Ryan_Lane> shepazu: on wikipedia, you request to have a bot
# [00:37] <@Ryan_Lane> though, people can use a bot under their own account too
# [00:37] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: there are others here, but there doesn't seem to be a process yet
# [00:37] <waldir> here = IRC
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# [00:37] <@divya> _cheney: o
# [00:37] <Tomato> Yeah, I just don't have "higher API" permissions without a bot account
# [00:37] <@Ryan_Lane> waldir: right. I'm a bureaucrat because I am the ops engineer
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# [00:38] <@Ryan_Lane> waldir: I don't think I should be granting adminship :)
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# [00:38] <Tomato> waldir, I'm sure if you keep contributing, one of the admins will notice you and promote you.
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# [00:38] <@Ryan_Lane> we need a policy
# [00:38] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: so, who is? paul_irish is one too, aparently
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# [00:38] <@paul_irish> Tomato: example of one of the miscategorizations?
# [00:38] <@Ryan_Lane> shepazu: what are we doing for adminship?
# [00:38] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: of the wiki?
# [00:38] <@Ryan_Lane> shepazu: yep
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# [00:38] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: you can run the bot slowly
# [00:39] <Tomato> Category:Event and Category:Events
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# [00:39] <@ppk_> Who are currently the wiki admins?
# [00:39] <Tomato> One as 149 pages in it, one as 150 pages in it.
# [00:39] <@Ryan_Lane> I don't actually know if we give any additional rights to bot users right now
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# [00:39] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: we are going to see who contributes helpfully, and start looking at adding admin rights over the next few days
# [00:39] <@paul_irish> I like making a request queue
# [00:39] <waldir> ppk_: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsersgroup=sysop
# [00:39] <Tomato> 160*
# [00:39] <@shepazu> yup
# [00:40] <@Ryan_Lane> a request queue for request for bot access and request for adminship is a good idea
# [00:40] <@paul_irish> yup
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# [00:40] <Tomato> Okay but before I do it, which category are they all suppose to be in, Events or Event, here's a link to them http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Category:Events or http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Category:Event
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# [00:41] <waldir> shepazu: the syzop tools require some working knowledge of mediawiki... admins can edit protected templates or mediawiki messages that can even break the site to some extent
# [00:41] <waldir> *sysop
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# [00:41] <sonotos> Tomato: as Event tags one event Event would be more correct from my opinion
# [00:41] <@paul_irish> Ryan_Lane: can you set up a request queue for both?
# [00:41] <@Ryan_Lane> I can't right now
# [00:41] <IanJ_> Paul, done.
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# [00:42] <@paul_irish> Tomato: plural wise which is more consistent with the other category names?
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# [00:42] <@Ryan_Lane> someone with SMW knowledge should be able to do it fairly quickly
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# [00:42] <Tomato> Okay.
# [00:42] <Tomato> Thanks everyone.
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# [00:42] <@shepazu> waldir: I'm using admins loosely� I really mean "bureaucrats"
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# [00:43] <@shepazu> but I don't like that term
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# [00:43] <augusoft> hoa
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# [00:43] <augusoft> hola
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# [00:43] <waldir> shepazu: hmm... bureaucrats are essentially admins who can grant adminship to others, IIRC
# [00:43] <@shepazu> Tomato: I think "Events"
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# [00:43] <@shepazu> waldir: then maybe I mean something else :)
# [00:43] <augusoft> hello
# [00:43] <sonotos> gn8
# [00:43] <augusoft> g8
# [00:43] <@shepazu> nn sonotos
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# [00:44] <augusoft> <?php echo "Hola"; ?>
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# [00:45] <tsingh> hehe.. scripter nerdery.. like it augusoft
# [00:45] <tsingh> hehe
# [00:45] <augusoft> hello
# [00:45] <mstalfoort> hi
# [00:45] <@shepazu> augusoft: trying to hack the chat?
# [00:45] <augusoft> im from spain
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# [00:45] <augusoft> noooo!!!
# [00:45] <augusoft> i dont
# [00:45] <augusoft> im not a lamer
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# [00:46] <augusoft> i try only say hello..
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# [00:46] <augusoft> in a original way
# [00:46] <tsingh> ha i didnt even think of that as being an exploit
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# [00:46] <waldir> shepazu: since we're starting, I think we could handle handing of adminship rights somewhat loosely (they can always be removed later if needed, anyway). Ryan_Lane & paul_irish were talking about a queue, and a policy has been mentioned... that sounds like a process appropriate for a larger community. what do you think?
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# [00:47] <@shepazu> waldir: seems reasonable
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# [00:47] <@paul_irish> yup
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# [00:48] <@paul_irish> waldir: would be great to have your help setting up that process (or the docs for it) later
# [00:48] <waldir> shepazu: I mean, I can prove I'm knowledgeable with mediawiki and dedicated to open content, and that seems to be enough at least for the moment
# [00:48] <waldir> paul_irish: definitely
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# [00:48] <Tomato> W-woah, can I apply?
# [00:48] <waldir> we need to have a link on the homepage to a "how to contribute" page
# [00:48] <Tomato> I have made 200 edits today, I've been working with MediaWiki for five years. ;;
# [00:48] <@shepazu> yeah, we have thought about it, but not enough
# [00:48] <Nick_Zaccardi> waldir: That is a great idea
# [00:49] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: 200 edits? nicely done :)
# [00:49] <Nick_Zaccardi> I have no idea how to help right now
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# [00:49] <waldir> ...which would include several ways to do it including bug reports, editing the wiki, and adminship
# [00:49] <@paul_irish> There is Getting Started but its pretty big. and doesnt account for a lot
# [00:49] <waldir> nothing too lentghy
# [00:49] <@shepazu> Tomato: certainly you can apply :)
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# [00:49] <@Ryan_Lane> one thing I've learned from Wikipedia is that no process should have a lot of text
# [00:49] <Tomato> Thank you Ryan_Lane, I'm about to throw down 200 more once I log on with pywikipediabot. (;
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# [00:50] <@Ryan_Lane> make sure it's simple and as short as possible
# [00:50] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: true!!
# [00:50] <@Ryan_Lane> wikipedians have a habit of adding text to things that are too confusing ;)
# [00:50] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane, short and simple is difficult, but worth it
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# [00:50] <@Ryan_Lane> and then try to make it less confusing by adding even more text
# [00:50] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: lol
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# [00:50] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: what are you trying to say?
# [00:50] <@Ryan_Lane> short and simple is best :)
# [00:50] <@shepazu> could you explain a bit more please?
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# [00:51] <@paul_irish> :p
# [00:51] <@Ryan_Lane> wikipedia scares new people because everything is too wordy
# [00:51] <waldir> shepazu: I believe we need to give new contributors clear action paths straight from the main page
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# [00:51] <@shepazu> waldir: agreed
# [00:51] <justinBeaudry> waldir: I like that idea.
# [00:52] <justinBeaudry> Something like what's on the http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages
# [00:52] <waldir> not necessarily all of them listed there, but at least a link
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# [00:52] <augusoft> chau saludos
# [00:52] <waldir> justinBeaudry: well, that's one of the ways
# [00:52] <waldir> some people like maintenance work
# [00:52] <waldir> others prefer adding content
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# [00:53] <waldir> the page you pointed to has several useful maintenance reports (I personally like to work with them), but we need to cater to other people
# [00:53] <Tomato> Ryan_Lane, can we please have AbuseFilters?
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# [00:53] <@Ryan_Lane> we probably should add that....
# [00:53] <@Ryan_Lane> shepazu: ^^ ?
# [00:53] <@shepazu> yeah, we are hoping to have lots of flagged content reports that will give tasks...
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# [00:53] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: make it so, #1
# [00:53] <@Ryan_Lane> :D
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# [00:54] <justinBeaudry> waldir: I agree. I
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# [00:54] <@Ryan_Lane> ugh. so much config
# [00:54] <Tomato> Also Ryan_Lane, bots can easily get past the captcha, Asirra is the most secure captcha but maybe a customized question would work even better instead of simple math.
# [00:55] <@shepazu> interesting side effect of using mediawiki is all the community members that have their processes built around it
# [00:55] <Tomato> Also, you'll have to run the update script after you install AbuseFilters, otherwise no one will be able to edit.
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# [00:55] <@Ryan_Lane> FancyCaptcha should be good enough
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# [00:55] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: ye[
# [00:55] <@Ryan_Lane> *yep
# [00:55] <justinBeaudry> waldir: Could that be based upon flags? Maybe displaying relevant pages that need editing?
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# [00:55] <Tomato> Err, of course, you probably already know. o;
# [00:55] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane, happy to switch to another captcha that doesn't use external resources
# [00:56] <@Ryan_Lane> FancyCaptha doesn't
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# [00:56] <deavisdude> hi
# [00:56] <deavisdude> who saw this on reedit?
# [00:56] <waldir> flags as they're currently implemented aren't very effective. we might need to split the list of problems into separate arguments for the template, or use separate templates (e.g. {{delete}}, {{update}}, etc) which can add pages to specific categories
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# [00:57] <@Ryan_Lane> ok. adding it to test
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# [00:58] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: is there any possibility to have the site put up in github or something like that? then people could send pull requests for parts other than the wiki, too :D
# [00:58] <@Ryan_Lane> we're looking at ways to expose our config and repos
# [00:58] <waldir> :)
# [00:58] <@Ryan_Lane> I don't like github because we can't really control the repo
# [00:58] <@Ryan_Lane> and for deployment that's terrifying
# [00:59] <Tomato> tortoise
# [00:59] <@shepazu> I admit I'm with Ryan_Lane here
# [00:59] <@Ryan_Lane> we're using gerrit for our extensions
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# [00:59] <Tomato> I mean mercurial?
# [00:59] <Lucas> CTOVELOZ EI CARA
# [00:59] <Tomato> I used to use that for repo deploys and it was really nice.
# [00:59] <@Ryan_Lane> we *might* be able to use wikimedia's gerrit for our config too
# [00:59] <waldir> as long as there's a way for people to contribute
# [00:59] <@Ryan_Lane> or we could set up our own gerrit server
# [00:59] <Lucas> ow ctveloz br
# [00:59] <@Ryan_Lane> and replicate to github
# [00:59] <waldir> and good, *short* docs :D
# [01:00] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: let's do our own, if we can
# [01:00] <Lucas> hello
# [01:00] <@shepazu> hi, Lucas
# [01:00] <@Ryan_Lane> shepazu: I set up the gerrit server at wikimedia, so I can do so for us as well
# [01:00] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: sweet
# [01:00] <@Ryan_Lane> people tend to hate gerrit, but it works. well.
# [01:00] <Lucas> I speak as private?
# [01:01] <@shepazu> Lucas: this channel is logged
# [01:01] <ctoveloz[BR]> Lucas, iae
# [01:01] <Lucas> add ctoloveloz
# [01:01] <@Ryan_Lane> ok abuse filter is working on test
# [01:01] <Tomato> Yay~
# [01:01] <Tomato> Do you already have some filters lined up? I have a bunch I like to use but maybe you guys would rather write your own.
# [01:02] <@Ryan_Lane> I never use abuse filter
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# [01:02] <Lucas> http://www.facebook.com/lucas.sousa.1884
# [01:02] <@Ryan_Lane> I don't actually edit wikipedia :D
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# [01:02] <Lucas> add ai cara
# [01:02] <Lucas> http://www.facebook.com/lucas.sousa.1884
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# [01:02] <Tomato> Oh, well an admin is going to have to add filters. o;
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# [01:02] <@Ryan_Lane> ok. adding abuse filter to current
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# [01:02] <Tomato> Yay, thank you Ryan.
# [01:02] <@Ryan_Lane> yw
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# [01:04] <@Ryan_Lane> done
# [01:04] <@Ryan_Lane> added
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# [01:04] <@Ryan_Lane> I'll let the admins work out the filters ;)
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# [01:05] <@paul_irish> shepazu: i'd like to add admin to waldir and tomato to help with category cleanup and policy docs on onboarding new contributors
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# [01:05] <@paul_irish> sound good?
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# [01:05] <@paul_irish> waldir will also help with formalizing the policy for requesting adminship
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# [01:05] <Tomato> i'm making googly puppy dog eyes shepazu
# [01:06] <waldir> :)
# [01:06] <@shepazu> paul_irish: sure
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# [01:06] <@paul_irish> k
# [01:06] <@shepazu> paul_irish: usernames?
# [01:06] <waldir> we need to establish a place onwiki to discuss these things
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# [01:06] <waldir> I'm User:Waldir
# [01:06] <Tomato> I'm User:Tomato
# [01:07] <@shepazu> admin? any others?
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# [01:07] <@shepazu> done
# [01:07] <juu8u8> hi room!
# [01:07] <@shepazu> paul_irish: are you an admin?
# [01:07] <Tomato> waldir, the talk pages are still there for use, although shepazu said he'd rather have people use comments. You can see them if you hover over "Tools"
# [01:07] <@paul_irish> yes
# [01:07] <@shepazu> k
# [01:08] <moneal> Well if your just handing out admins...
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# [01:08] <@paul_irish> Tomato: waldir, you guys are set
# [01:08] <Tomato> Thanks!
# [01:08] <waldir> paul_irish, shepazu thanks :D
# [01:08] <@shepazu> why don't we start a new page for this, WPD:Admin_policy ?
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# [01:08] <@paul_irish> Tomato: are you getting an acct for your bot?
# [01:08] <tsingh> careful what you ask for. moneal
# [01:08] <@shepazu> wait
# [01:08] <tsingh> hehe
# [01:08] <jkomoros> shepazu: I think we already have a page
# [01:08] <Tony_> Hello World :) This looks neat.
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# [01:09] <@shepazu> jkomoros: I realized that :)
# [01:09] <jkomoros> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Policy/Administration
# [01:09] <@shepazu> hi, Tony_
# [01:09] <@shepazu> that's the one I was looking for :)
# [01:09] <Nick_Zaccardi> jkomoros: Nice to see ya back.
# [01:09] <waldir> cool, that needs to be linked from more places
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# [01:10] <ctoveloz[BR]> thing about cakephp?
# [01:10] <waldir> currently it's linked from WPD:Policy only!
# [01:10] <jkomoros> I've been in meetings all day. One more, and then I'll be back on IRC for a few hours
# [01:10] <@paul_irish> yeah there is a lot within WPD namespace with low visibility... can someone start a short Contributing guide with links to that and others?
# [01:10] <ctoveloz[BR]> preferably views
# [01:10] <ctoveloz[BR]> ;D
# [01:10] <jkomoros> We could just link that page from the end of the Getting_Started guide
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# [01:12] <waldir> I think we need to rethink the "Contribute to Web Platform Docs" section of the wiki main page
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# [01:12] <Tomato_> Yeah, I was setting up my userconfig file for my bot, trying to get it connected. I can connect without making a bot account though for now and make simple edits. I'll just use my main account for now because the adminship gives me higher api and maybe make a bot account later if it's working well or needed a lot?
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# [01:13] <waldir> we could make it a list of links for different action paths instead of having text there
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# [01:13] <waldir> I'll try something in my userpage and propose it
# [01:13] <@paul_irish> waldir: can you make a draft for how that would look?
# [01:13] <@paul_irish> great
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# [01:14] <@paul_irish> Tomato: ok
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# [01:14] <andrewjbaker> Make sure one of those paths is game developer. :-p
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# [01:15] <@Garbee> Let's hope I make it home in one peice. See you guys/gals soon.
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# [01:16] <waldir> Special:BrokenRedirects is now empty :D
# [01:16] <Tomato> See you Garbee. Take care.
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# [01:16] <waldir> Tomato: since you're using pywikipediabot, could you run the script to fix the double redirects?
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# [01:17] <waldir> there are 99 of them... too many to fix by hand comfortably
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# [01:17] <Titank> 123
# [01:17] <@paul_irish> hey andrewjbaker!
# [01:18] <@paul_irish> Ryan_Lane: is this ident_hex your work ?
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# [01:18] <@Ryan_Lane> paul_irish: yep
# [01:18] <Tomato> Ryan_Lane, does this wiki have a template limit? Will the "micro"templates become a problem later as more pages are created and slow down the server?
# [01:18] <@Ryan_Lane> requested by freenode
# [01:19] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: as always meta templates are evil :)
# [01:19] <@Ryan_Lane> did I enable lua?
# [01:19] <andrewjbaker> paul_irish: Hi matey. How goes the battle?
# [01:19] <@Ryan_Lane> I hope I enabled lua
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# [01:19] <@Ryan_Lane> I don't think I enabled lua
# [01:19] <@Ryan_Lane> :D
# [01:19] <@paul_irish> andrewjbaker: its good
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# [01:19] <Tomato> I've had metatemplates break my wikis before put up by editors, then have to spend 9 hours trying to remove them all. ;;
# [01:20] <@Ryan_Lane> yeah. it's a pain
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# [01:20] <@Ryan_Lane> shepazu: do we want to use lua for the templating language?
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# [01:20] <@Ryan_Lane> it's a real language, rather than that horrible wiki syntax
# [01:20] <@Ryan_Lane> it's also deployed on wikimedia sites
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# [01:21] <@Ryan_Lane> nevermind
# [01:21] <@Ryan_Lane> we need to upgrade first
# [01:21] <andrewjbaker> paul_irish: Heh... so you're winning. This is good news.
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# [01:21] <Tomato> lua for a template language?! wow that sound cool.
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# [01:22] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: Lua? for real?
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# [01:22] <@Ryan_Lane> yeah. lua
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# [01:23] <@Ryan_Lane> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto
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# [01:23] <@Ryan_Lane> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Lua_scripting/Tutorial
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# [01:24] <@shepazu> what are the advantages of Lua over � whatever else?
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# [01:24] <Pinapple> oHai
# [01:24] <@Ryan_Lane> have you used the built-in templating language? :)
# [01:24] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: unfortunately, a little bit
# [01:24] <Nick_Zaccardi> git status
# [01:24] <@Ryan_Lane> it's terrible.
# [01:25] <Nick_Zaccardi> Whoops... wrong window
# [01:25] <@Ryan_Lane> it also makes people implement horrible things in meta templates
# [01:25] <@Ryan_Lane> which they then include in hundreds of thousands of pages
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# [01:25] <@shepazu> if we went with Lua, could we dump the horrible {{!}} for pipes?
# [01:25] <@Ryan_Lane> I believe so
# [01:25] <Pinapple> Ahhh! The navigation above this page only has webkit prefixes!!!
# [01:25] <@shepazu> LUA ALL THE THINGS!
# [01:25] <Pinapple> ='[
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# [01:26] <hober> is this channel logged somewhere?
# [01:26] <hfhj> n
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# [01:26] <plamoni> hober: http://talk.webplatform.org/chatlogs
# [01:26] <@Ryan_Lane> we may want to wait till it's a little further along on wikimedia
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# [01:27] <ctoveloz[BR]> https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/550722_429443393781130_72408000_n.jpg
# [01:27] <socialhapy> ? Photo by/of {0}, {1}
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# [01:27] <Lucas> hello
# [01:28] <Tomato> Tim Starling is a pretty good extension writer Ryan_Lane, the extension is probably pretty safe but yeah, it's always nice to wait until it's stable. Just saying the guy has never steered me wrong with extensions.
# [01:28] <@Ryan_Lane> well, I'm waiting to figure out how modules are going to work
# [01:28] <Titank> hello
# [01:28] <Tomato> He wrote parserfunctions, swoon.
# [01:28] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: I'm an operations engineer at wikimedia foundation, btw ;)
# [01:28] <Tomato> Oh are you? Hahaha.
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# [01:28] <Tomato> I don't know why I'm telling you then, sorry.
# [01:29] <@Ryan_Lane> :D
# [01:29] <@Ryan_Lane> I run wikimedia labs: https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
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# [01:29] <Tomato> I used to work for Curse, Inc. I helped set up Minecraft Wiki and sites like that, I quit recently. o;
# [01:29] <@Ryan_Lane> ah. cool
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# [01:30] <Lucas> It is easy to get into google, microsoft or something?
# [01:31] <Nathan> Hello ...
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# [01:31] <Tomato> Hi Nathan.
# [01:31] <pdr> Ryan_Lane: We talked about this a bit yesterday, but is there a path for Wiki* sites to show SVG directly to capable browsers, instead of converting to PNG?
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# [01:32] <@Ryan_Lane> currently mediawiki doesn't support it
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# [01:32] <pdr> Ryan_Lane: do you know the backstory?
# [01:32] <@Ryan_Lane> I recommend bugging the wikitech-l email list about it
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# [01:32] <pdr> Ryan_Lane: thank you
# [01:32] <@Ryan_Lane> yw
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# [01:32] <Lucas> Is there any function in javascript to do this -> 1000 to 1,000?
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# [01:33] <@shepazu> pdr++
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# [01:33] <Tomato> I'm curious, I know MediaWiki doesn't support .ico, but you can add the permission to Localsettings to allow you to upload it, and if you use it in CSS, the wiki will display the image. It's a work around at times if you want to display something using a file mediawiki doesn't support.
# [01:33] <Lucas> Is there any function in javascript to do this -> 1000 to 1,000?
# [01:34] <pdr> Tomato: I don't think there are good reasons to display .ico :P
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# [01:34] <Tomato> I know, I was just giving an example if you wanted to get around it, haha.
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# [01:34] <Tomato> That would be pretty impractical for your situation though, just a suggestion if you're desperate.
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# [01:35] <ssaid> hi
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# [01:35] <Tomato> Hi ssaid.
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# [01:35] <petermlm> Hi
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# [01:37] <ssaid> how can i save images created in svg to jpg format ?
# [01:37] <petermlm> Can any one tell me if anyone can edit the pages in webplatform? Like a Wiki?
# [01:37] <@paul_irish> you can.
# [01:37] <ssaid> paul_irish did you answer to me?
# [01:37] <@paul_irish> ssaid: add to a canvas and toDataUri out of there.
# [01:38] <petermlm> @ssaid, or just take a screen shot for a quick and disty solution, :p
# [01:38] <ssaid> ok, thanks friend
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# [01:38] <ssaid> see you later!
# [01:38] <Tomato> Ryan_Lane, have you seen the giant reddit thread about this site? It's how I found it. There's a lot of comments in the thread about problems with the site.
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# [01:39] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: link?
# [01:39] <Tomato> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/116u6b/apple_facebook_google_microsoft_mozilla_and/
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# [01:41] <@shepazu> Tomato, that can't be about webplatform.org� it doesn't mention W3C in the title
# [01:41] <@Ryan_Lane> heh
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# [01:41] <@Ryan_Lane> no ipv6 support
# [01:41] <@Ryan_Lane> yeah. that's true
# [01:41] <brey> need more specific tuts of css media queries..
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# [01:42] <Tomato> shepazu, I can't believe they left out W3C. ;;
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# [01:42] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: nothing really that is infrastructure related
# [01:42] <@Ryan_Lane> except www1 and ipv6
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# [01:42] <@Ryan_Lane> www1 is gone now anyway
# [01:42] <@Ryan_Lane> it was temporary
# [01:42] <petermlm> Just putting this out there. I would like to write for the Javascript Datatypes. There are tones of thinks to be said about theme. I will contribute in the following days for that part
# [01:43] <petermlm> *the,m
# [01:43] <petermlm> **them
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# [01:43] <Tomato> Ryan_Lane, yeah true, I just thought the thread was pretty interesting and I saw some comments of users pointing out issues, so I figured you guys would want to see.
# [01:43] <Ordona> Oh, no more www1? Awesome
# [01:43] <harryrf> Thanks petermlm
# [01:43] <@shepazu> paul_irish: if you know of a page that shows how to do the SVG toDataUri trick? if not, can you write one in the wiki, so I can add it to http://www.webplatform.org/logo/#playground ?
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# [01:43] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: rigt
# [01:43] <@Ryan_Lane> *right
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# [01:44] <@shepazu> Tomato: thanks, good to know� we can always use constructive criticism
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# [01:45] <Garbee> Could someone link again please? I missed it.
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# [01:47] <moneal> Garbee: what link?
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# [01:48] <Garbee> To the thread Tomato was talkng about.
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# [01:48] <rbnseven> holaaaaaaaaaaaa
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# [01:48] <moneal> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/116u6b/apple_facebook_google_microsoft_mozilla_and/
# [01:49] <Garbee> meh, I'm going to need a tl;dr version now.
# [01:49] <Garbee> ;)
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# [01:49] <Garbee> Thanks for the link though.
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# [01:50] <moneal> np
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# [01:52] <HappyJ> Hello guys
# [01:52] <shane9> hello
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# [01:53] <harryrf> In the Loops section of http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/Programming_-_the_real_basics why would for(var i = 0;i < 11;i = i + 1){ be showing up as < and not < ?
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# [01:54] <Garbee> paul_irish, Do you mind if I PM you?
# [01:54] <@paul_irish> go for it dude
# [01:54] <Tomato> Ryan_Lane, speaking of Loops, do you like the Loops extension?
# [01:54] <gelatocar> They probably escape the code to allow for HTML in there?
# [01:54] <harryrf> I guess it could just be manually edited
# [01:54] <@paul_irish> harryrf: not sure but please fix it if you can
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# [01:55] <harryrf> I'm sure changing it from < to < won't hurt
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# [01:55] <harryrf> I'll do that
# [01:55] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: no
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# [01:55] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: nor the stringfunctions extension
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# [01:55] <@Ryan_Lane> they are both incredibly expensive
# [01:55] <Tomato> Ah okay.
# [01:55] <jkomoros> What are y'all talking about? I just got back to my computer
# [01:55] <@Ryan_Lane> lua has these things, but does it efficiently
# [01:56] <Tomato> Yeah, they can be. ;; Loops came in useful for me a few times, I was just curious if you liked it. Of course Lua would be awesome too.
# [01:56] <Quitta> Howdie
# [01:56] <Tomato> Hi Quitta!
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# [01:56] <Quitta> I was wondering, are there any plans of adding php to the list of items?
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# [01:57] <Garbee> Quitta, We have talked about server-side languages today quite a bit actually.
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# [01:58] <Garbee> I think right now we have mostly decided to just introduce server-side languages and link off to better resources for different ones compared to covering it all in-depth on the webplatform.org site in the beginning.
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# [01:59] <@shepazu> I'd amend that to remove the "in the beginning"� I'm not sure I'd want more than basic articles on server-side stuff
# [01:59] <waldir> Tomato: have you used SMW before?
# [01:59] * jakep slaps egghead around a bit with a large fishbot
# [01:59] <Garbee> shepazu, So did we actually agree to completely not go into them any further than introductions?
# [02:00] <harryrf> fixed
# [02:00] <@shepazu> Garbee, the scope would get too big� it would affect site architecture
# [02:00] <@shepazu> I think, at least
# [02:00] <Garbee> Oh, it would affect it.
# [02:00] <jkomoros> I agree with shepazu, for what it's worth
# [02:00] <Tomato> waldir: A few times, I am not as experienced with it as I am most other MediaWiki extensions though. SMW was extremely resource heavy so we only used it on sites that really needed it.
# [02:00] <Garbee> Then cause a lot of fighiting amongst the devs in those langauges.
# [02:00] <@shepazu> and those languages have good sites, anyway
# [02:00] <@paul_irish> ++
# [02:01] <Tomato> I can work with it though.
# [02:01] <jakep> what the hell is this guys? idk why im just confused why this site was made and founded by all those poeple?
# [02:01] <jkomoros> jakep: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ
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# [02:01] <harryrf> Okay maybe not, I just tick "this is a minor change" and save ?
# [02:01] <@shepazu> for the love of the game, jakep
# [02:01] <waldir> Tomato: ok, I was wondering whether the relationships could be useful
# [02:01] <Garbee> jakep, It is a site to eventually become one repository for web developers designers compared to needing 5 or more different sites.
# [02:01] <waldir> Tomato: for structuring the content
# [02:01] <harryrf> Ah, nevermind "Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still does not work, try logging out and logging back in."
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# [02:02] <jkomoros> waldir: What are you guys talking about?
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# [02:02] <@Ryan_Lane> shepazu: for the infrastructure blog post, use Site News or create a new category?
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# [02:02] <Garbee> And have major players behind it to support along with a great community of people who work the field every single day.
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# [02:02] <@Ryan_Lane> also, when I'm finished it would be good if someone could review it
# [02:02] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: site news
# [02:02] <waldir> jkomoros: semantic mediawiki... I believe Tomato can explain better
# [02:02] <@Ryan_Lane> ok
# [02:02] <Tomato> Oh, well if you're asking if I can work with if you are using it, then yes. Lol.
# [02:02] <jakep> ok. i just slapped egg head with a large fishbot ? hahahah what is this
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# [02:02] <waldir> jkomoros: I've never used it before
# [02:02] <jkomoros> Okay. We're using some semantic media wiki stuff pretty heavily
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# [02:03] <jkomoros> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Implementation_Patterns
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# [02:04] <waldir> jkomoros: cool| I'll add that page to my personal reading list
# [02:04] <jkomoros> yeah, hopefully it's interesting
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# [02:04] <jkomoros> I'd like more people to understand this stuff so they can help with templates and such
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# [02:04] <jkomoros> I've been meaning to write up another doc that explains how specific templates use those patterns
# [02:04] <jkomoros> brb
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# [02:05] <Tomato> Ryan_Lane: InputBox?! Do you like that? o; It can be pretty nice for users who don't understand mediawiki well and are having troubles creating pages, it's nice to have something just throw on all the templates you need once you start the page.
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# [02:05] <@Ryan_Lane> I think we're using SemanticForms for any cases like that
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# [02:05] <Tomato> Okay I figured. Just curious.
# [02:06] * @Ryan_Lane nods
# [02:06] <waldir> jkomoros that'd be very helpful. We need to enable people to contribute with as less hoops to jump as possible. Clear, easily findable and concise documentation is a must for that
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# [02:09] <harryrf> paul_irish: Do I need to write something in the "Summary" line before commiting changes?
# [02:09] <@paul_irish> yup! that's best
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# [02:13] <harryrf> Finally got it, I kept getting an error message.
# [02:13] <demonart> Hi all. Who live in Russia? ))
# [02:13] <@shepazu> you!
# [02:13] <@Ryan_Lane> harryrf: what error messag?
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# [02:13] <harryrf> one sec.
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# [02:14] <Mike> hi
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# [02:14] <harryrf> "Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still does not work, try logging out and logging back in."
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# [02:14] <Tomato> Hi.
# [02:14] <@Ryan_Lane> ugh
# [02:14] <harryrf> So I tried logging back in
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# [02:14] <demonart> Hi )
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# [02:14] <Guest54358> How to interoperate all cloud office website,GoogleDocs,MS Office 365,IBM Docs,Cisco WebEx,Acrobat,Zoho,Evernote..?
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# [02:14] <harryrf> I don't know if this made it work or not, but I had to preview, view changes, then save, then it worked
# [02:15] <harryrf> Oh, plus I added a summary
# [02:15] <Guest54358> http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/1414/interoperate-website-googledocs-office-acrobat-evernote
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# [02:16] <Guest54358> How to interoperate all cloud office website,GoogleDocs,MS Office 365,IBM Docs,Cisco WebEx,Acrobat,Zoho,Evernote..?
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# [02:16] <waldir> Tomato: so are you running pywikipediabot?
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# [02:17] <||Vini||iRie> pvt
# [02:18] <Tomato> harryrf, are you referring to a certain page? What are you confused about? o;
# [02:18] <demonart> Follow me http://twitter.com/5arts and visit to my website http://demon-art.ru Thanks
# [02:18] <socialhapy> ? Tweet from 5arts: ??????? ?????? ?? ????? http://t.co/dnpUJfVK ????????, ????????, ?????????? :) http://t.co/jQyvuNYp ? http://bit.ly/Tt3UzS
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# [02:19] <demonart> evaluate design =)
# [02:19] <Garbee> Is it just me or does demonart seem spammy?
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# [02:20] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: are there plans to install the gadgets extension? HotCat could be useful
# [02:20] <@Ryan_Lane> that isn't installed?
# [02:20] <@Ryan_Lane> shepazu: ^^ ?
# [02:20] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: I think it is
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# [02:21] <@Ryan_Lane> it is
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# [02:21] <@Ryan_Lane> waldir: it's installed ;)
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# [02:22] <Garbee> shepazu, What do you think of tutorials on the site for using Dev Tools (for any browser) ?
# [02:22] <@shepazu> Garbee: how do you mean?
# [02:23] <demonart> ?? )
# [02:23] <@shepazu> like, Firebug?
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# [02:23] <Garbee> Start with basics for people just learning. How to open, what does everything do, basics of debugging. From there we could have an article or section where people show off more advanced things that could be done with the tools.
# [02:23] <@shepazu> demonart: please stop the chatter
# [02:24] <Garbee> Each tool would have its own little section to keep things neat, with perhaps subsections on things from there for something like Chrome's which does a ton of stuff.
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# [02:24] <@shepazu> Garbee: seems reasonable
# [02:24] <demonart> Web Developer Tools + ?????????? ?????????? ?? Mozilla Firefox ????? ??? firebug
# [02:24] <Garbee> I will work on an actual outline later in the week and let you guys see to give a better idea.
# [02:24] <demonart> Web Developer Tools + intsrument built on Mozilla Firefox better than firebug
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# [02:25] <Garbee> demonart, That is completely uproductive.
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# [02:25] <@paul_irish> Garbee: the recent nettuts article on chrome devtools is a good basics overview.. i think we could upstream that
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# [02:25] <Garbee> paul_irish, Exactly. That would be a good base for a beginner section.
# [02:26] <Garbee> And we all know how you love your neat obscure tricks. ;)
# [02:26] <Garbee> So those would make great sections on an advanced page of tricks.
# [02:26] <@paul_irish> Garbee: i know the author and we coudl ask him and jeffrey way
# [02:26] <Garbee> paul_irish, You get the permission, and I will do the import.
# [02:27] <harryrf> On the profile avatar upload page, "".$1" are not permitted file types. Permitted file types are $2." is shown for the wrong file type
# [02:27] <harryrf> ^^ I don't know how to fix that one.
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# [02:27] <demonart> I have enough of that, I like the speed of the javascript anyone should count for firebug irreplaceable;)
# [02:27] <Garbee> paul_irish, Could we also import content from: https://developers.google.com/chrome-developer-tools/docs/overview ? I'm assuming we could.
# [02:28] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: hmm... if it's installed, shouldn't I be seeing it as a tab of my preferences? oh right, I think mediawiki:gadgets-definition needs to exist
# [02:28] <@paul_irish> Garbee: yes its likely
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# [02:29] <@Ryan_Lane> waldir: yeah, it does
# [02:29] <@Ryan_Lane> and there's no gadgets installed
# [02:29] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: I think hotcat should be pretty harmless right?
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# [02:30] <@Ryan_Lane> yeah. it should be
# [02:30] <@Ryan_Lane> licensing likely needs to be noted
# [02:30] <@Ryan_Lane> it's cc-by-sa
# [02:30] <demonart> Here somebody knows at least a few words in Russian? )
# [02:30] <@Ryan_Lane> content on webplatform is cc-by
# [02:30] <waldir> hmmm, ok
# [02:30] <@Ryan_Lane> demonart: niet
# [02:30] <@paul_irish> Garbee: the devtools docs are cc-by so we're good
# [02:31] <Garbee> paul_irish, Yea, just found it.
# [02:31] <jkomoros> We have guidelines for CC-BY-SA content
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# [02:31] <Garbee> I *Literally* just read it.
# [02:31] <jkomoros> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:External_Attribution
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# [02:31] <Gustavo> good evening everyone!
# [02:31] <Garbee> Sweet. I will get writing up an outline and ask for input before putting anything into the wiki itself.
# [02:31] <waldir> the code needs to be copied, I suppose. Would a mention of the license in a code comment be enough?
# [02:31] <@paul_irish> kk
# [02:31] <jkomoros> for each new source we'd like to have some CC-BY-SA content from, we need to change a list and agree that it's worth it for that source
# [02:31] <waldir> oh
# [02:32] <Gustavo> 'm in SEO company GFM
# [02:32] <@shepazu> jkomoros: but we agreed that we wouldn't accept just any CC-BY-SA, only if the source was significant enough to warrant it
# [02:32] <jkomoros> yes, that's correct
# [02:32] <jkomoros> my point was not that it's okay in this case, but rather that we have a conceptual framework under which it could be allowed, if we decide it's worth it
# [02:32] <nrosa> Hi, is there a way to override drag and drop mouse icons?
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# [02:33] <@shepazu> jkomoros, ok, got you� we want a transition strategy for it to CC-BY :)
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# [02:33] <@shepazu> nrosa: have you tried the cursor: property?
# [02:33] <jkomoros> absolutely
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# [02:33] <Tomato> shepazu, just wanted to check, when pages are labeled as CSS/x or SVG/x, etc, are those pages suppose to be lowercase like css/x or svg/x, I noticed there's a lot of inconsistency.
# [02:34] <Tomato> How should they be styled?
# [02:34] <jkomoros> Tomato: are you talking about with those in the URL?
# [02:34] <Tomato> Yes.
# [02:34] <jkomoros> lowercase
# [02:34] <Tomato> Okay.
# [02:34] <jkomoros> that's documented somewhere� let me find it
# [02:34] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: $wgMetaNamespace needs to be set to "WPD"
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# [02:35] <@shepazu> Tomato: what jkomoros said L(
# [02:35] <Tomato> Should every part of the URL be lowercase? jkomoros, for example CSS/Selectors/attribute selector, should "Selectors" be lowercase?
# [02:35] <jkomoros> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Style_Manual
# [02:35] <jkomoros> under the URLs ssection
# [02:35] <jkomoros> yep
# [02:35] <Tomato> Oh okay thanks.
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# [02:35] <@shepazu> yes� the only uppercase should eb actual code commands, like getElementById
# [02:35] <jkomoros> basically, the only exceptions are supposed to be things where it's an actual method name, like getElementById
# [02:36] <@shepazu> lol
# [02:36] <jkomoros> ha, great example shepazu
# [02:36] <@shepazu> :D
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# [02:38] <Harris> What is everyone's favorite web development software?
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# [02:39] <Garbee> Harris, I'm on board with Sublime Text and Google Chrome.
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# [02:39] <Garbee> Plus the good ol' fashioned LAMP.
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# [02:40] <k310> Test message (ignore)
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# [02:41] <nrosa> shepazu: yes, i was able to change cursor before and after drag and drop. not during
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# [02:41] <Tomato> Just a bug with moving pages, if I try to untic "Leave behind a redirect", the page just won't work and won't move at all, no matter how much you click submit, it only works if you leave behind a redirect, which makes for a lot of useless redirect pages. o; Ryan_Lane
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# [02:42] <@Ryan_Lane> weird
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# [02:42] <@Ryan_Lane> redirect pages aren't useless
# [02:42] <@Ryan_Lane> in general you should always leave redirects
# [02:42] <Alistair> Wow - a lot of people in here!
# [02:43] <@shepazu> hi, Alistair
# [02:43] <Tomato> Well, I just meant in situations where sometimes people just redirected to the wrong name, then there's double redirects or something. With a redirect that no one is going to use.
# [02:43] <Alistair> Just learned about WebPlatform today
# [02:43] <andrewjbaker> I'm [probably] not the first person to mention this, and I don't want to start any fisticuffs, but the word 'platform' conjures up visions of a full Web stack in my mind. Are middle-tier and back-end technologies within the scope of WP?
# [02:43] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: ah. right
# [02:43] <@shepazu> it's really just me in a few hundred chat windows
# [02:43] <Alistair> As an educator in Web Development, it's exciting!
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# [02:43] <TehRealGawd> shepazu, who's playing with the irc hostmask?
# [02:43] <Alistair> Hi @shepazu1
# [02:43] <TehRealGawd> why is that long gateway/web/qwebirc/blablabla
# [02:43] <@Ryan_Lane> TehRealGawd: what do you mean?
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# [02:43] <Alistair> Er Hi @shepazu!
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# [02:43] <@Ryan_Lane> because freenode requested it
# [02:44] <@shepazu> Alistair: great to have an educator here!
# [02:44] <TehRealGawd> oh makes sense Ryan_Lane
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# [02:44] <jkomoros> Should we add the "is server stuff in scope" question to the FAQ?
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# [02:44] <jkomoros> @shepazu ^^
# [02:44] <Tomato> I can still delete the redirect separately of course, I just thought you should know that the tic box isn't working on the move page.
# [02:44] <@paul_irish> yes
# [02:44] <@shepazu> jkomoros: yeah, I think so� do you agree with the solution?
# [02:44] <TehRealGawd> andrewjbaker, idt there will be back end sections on this website for the time being
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# [02:44] <jkomoros> can you repeat it for me?
# [02:44] <jkomoros> :-)
# [02:44] <Alistair> I teach at the BC Institute of Technology. I have a lecture tonight and we're covering CSS resets, Boilerplate, some layout things and media queries.
# [02:44] <@shepazu> jkomoros: if you do, we should just make stubs and an umbrella explanation
# [02:45] <TehRealGawd> it's a front end for cross compatability between browsers
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# [02:45] <Alistair> I've added WebPlatform to the agenda as a discussion item.
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# [02:45] <jkomoros> shepazu: Can you remind me what the solution is?
# [02:45] <TehRealGawd> andrewjbaker, im sure tons of people would love a place to talk about back end technologies since there really aren't good ones
# [02:45] <@shepazu> jkomoros: basically, we will include basic intros to a range of server-side languages, but then link out to external sites for that
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# [02:46] <@shepazu> Alistair: cool!
# [02:46] <jkomoros> Ah, yeah, that sounds acceptable
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# [02:46] <TehRealGawd> maybe someone will take inspiration and make a hub for back-end the way WP has made for front-end :P
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# [02:46] <andrewjbaker> TehRealGawd: Heh, OK.
# [02:46] <jkomoros> does someone want to write that up and add to FAQ?
# [02:46] <@shepazu> jkomoros: I can do that
# [02:46] <jkomoros> Sounds good
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# [02:47] <Alistair> I'm hoping to get some of the students interested enough to get involved.
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# [02:47] <Alistair> I'd like to get involved, so I'm poking around to see what the opportunities are.
# [02:47] <harryrf> Alistair can I PM you?
# [02:47] <Nickolas11> 123
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# [02:48] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: did you get that about the $wgMetaNamespace?
# [02:48] <@paul_irish> Alistair: you've read through http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started ? right now a lot of the contribution ideas are there
# [02:48] <jkomoros> Alistair: That's great!
# [02:48] <@paul_irish> also yes.. :) Sounds super awesome
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# [02:48] <Garbee> Is everything super with you Paul? Can nothing ever be just good or great?
# [02:48] <@paul_irish> Alistair: most of the folks behind HTML5 Boilerplate (if you're covering that) are involved in webplatform.org
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# [02:49] <@divya> why do you hate caps, and words so much Garbee
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# [02:49] <@paul_irish> Garbee: i'm home sick today so my throat is very much not good. aside from that i'm getting fresh homemade soup so things are looking good :)
# [02:49] <Garbee> divya, Caps I hate just in general. But I swear in every talk I hear from Paul something has to be "super".
# [02:49] <Alistair> paul: Yes, I'll be coverin H5BP tonight. It's great for students and the segway is perfect
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# [02:49] <@paul_irish> sweet
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# [02:50] <@divya> Alistair: where do you teach?
# [02:50] <Garbee> paul_irish, Aww. Sorry to hear you're sick. Do try some tea too though.
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# [02:50] <Alistair> BC Institute of Technology
# [02:50] <@paul_irish> on a tea marathon :) thx
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# [02:50] <Garbee> Tea and a hot-tub or steaming hot bath always helps me out.
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# [02:50] <@Ryan_Lane> waldir: eh?
# [02:50] <Garbee> Wait... You are *sick* and still doing this? /me slaps paul_irish.
# [02:50] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: it needs to be set to "WPD"
# [02:50] <Alistair> Thanks for the Getting Started link.
# [02:51] <@Ryan_Lane> is it not already?
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# [02:51] <@Ryan_Lane> I'm not touching that one :)
# [02:51] <waldir> currently it seems to eb defaulting to $wgSiteName
# [02:51] <@Ryan_Lane> oh
# [02:51] <waldir> *be
# [02:51] <@Ryan_Lane> really?
# [02:51] <Garbee> I need to give you the childish ways again... Sick means no work. Then again for you guys work is fun so... Not really sure where to draw the line there.
# [02:51] <sudoman> what license is content at http://docs.webplatform.org under?
# [02:51] <@Ryan_Lane> that makes no sense
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# [02:51] <Garbee> Ok, I will get back to you on that discipline paul...
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# [02:51] <@Ryan_Lane> sudoman: in general CC-BY
# [02:51] <sudoman> Ryan_Lane: in general?
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# [02:52] <@paul_irish> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Copyright
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# [02:52] <jkomoros> sudoman: See http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:External_Attribution for more on the exceptions to vanilla CC-BY
# [02:52] <sudoman> thank you everyone.
# [02:53] <laba> yo yo yo
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# [02:53] <sudoman> maybe it would make sense to link to the copyright page from the FAQ, since it's not listed in page footers, where it normally might be.
# [02:53] <andrewjbaker> "For example, if you were creating a tutorial about a racing game, the URL might be�/tutorials/racing_game�(you would type in�tutorials/racing game: the Wiki creates the underscores for you." :-D
# [02:54] <Garbee> Well, have a good night everyone. Especially to anyone that is sick.
# [02:54] <jkomoros> sudoman: We have a bug to add the license into the footer
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# [02:55] <Alistair> Thanks for the pointers, all. Off to lecture the web minds of tomorrow!
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# [02:56] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: that behavior is what's described at mediawiki.org. See for instance http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers/sysop , the "administrator" links have the "WebPlatform Docs" prefix but it should be "WPD"
# [02:57] <eternicode> /topic
# [02:57] <eternicode> woops
# [02:58] <@Ryan_Lane> waldir: right, but I'm nearly positive we had it set
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# [02:58] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: well, something clearly is missing :)
# [02:58] <@Ryan_Lane> fixing that isn't terribly straightforward
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# [02:58] <@Ryan_Lane> I'm about to leave, so I'm not going to deal with it right now
# [02:59] <@Ryan_Lane> in case I break everything
# [02:59] <waldir> lol
# [02:59] <waldir> I'll make a note then so I can bug someone later
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# [03:01] <harryrf> Is there a way to submit a bug that you yourself cannot fix?
# [03:02] <Tomato> harryrf: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Filing_Bugs
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# [03:03] <harryrf> Guess I should rtfm
# [03:03] <Tomato> harryrf: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=webplatform.org You can go here and submit software issues such as extensions, skin, things like that.
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# [03:03] <@divya> harryrf: read topic
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# [03:04] <harryrf> ah
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# [03:07] <@shepazu> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ#Will_this_site_include_information_on_server-side_languages.2C_like_PHP.2C_Perl.2C_Ruby.2C_Python.2C_etc..3F
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# [03:07] <Anon35> hello?
# [03:07] <@shepazu> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/server-side_languages
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# [03:07] <he_> hi
# [03:08] <@shepazu> ok, server-siders� go to town!
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# [03:08] <he_> r u there
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# [03:08] <@shepazu> no, I am here, are you there?
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# [03:08] <harryrf> nicely written
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# [03:08] <@shepazu> thanks, harryrf
# [03:08] <he_> where do you from
# [03:09] <@shepazu> the Internet!
# [03:09] <he_> can I have a private chat room here
# [03:09] <@divya> :))))))
# [03:09] <@shepazu> he_: no, this is for collaboration and help on web development and design
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# [03:09] <harryrf> he_: Do you mean your own channel?
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# [03:09] <he_> yes
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# [03:10] <Nick_Zaccardi> Hello again!
# [03:10] <harryrf> just use /join and the name of the channel you want to create
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# [03:15] <bil> hello there
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# [03:16] <waldir> I'm getting "500 internal server error"... anyone else?
# [03:17] <harryrf> yep
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# [03:17] <@Ryan_Lane> on it
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# [03:17] <waldir> ok
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# [03:19] <sdfs> hi
# [03:19] <sdfs> test
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# [03:19] <Guest75366> hello?
# [03:20] <harryrf> Hello
# [03:20] <arno__> hi there... getting a 500 when accessing http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/
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# [03:20] <arno__> anybody else?
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# [03:20] <@shepazu> arno__: top men are working on it
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# [03:20] <goseta> Error 500 Internal in all docs?
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# [03:20] <goseta> oh ok cool!
# [03:21] <arno__> great. thanks...
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# [03:21] <@Ryan_Lane> wow. where the hell is the CSS?
# [03:22] <@Ryan_Lane> ugh
# [03:22] <@Ryan_Lane> cached
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# [03:22] <@Ryan_Lane> seems there's another error in mediawiki there
# [03:22] <@Ryan_Lane> I have to purge all
# [03:23] <@Ryan_Lane> back
# [03:23] <@Ryan_Lane> I need to do some math on the number of apache services running and the number of database connections we need
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# [03:29] <@Ryan_Lane> ok. adding slave back in
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# [03:29] <Soichi> hi
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# [03:30] <test_> test
# [03:30] <Charun> success!
# [03:30] <harryrf> test failed
# [03:30] <Charun> :(
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# [03:32] <hiramyoucan> where
# [03:32] <hiramyoucan> who
# [03:32] <hiramyoucan> how
# [03:32] <hiramyoucan> what
# [03:32] <@shepazu> when
# [03:33] <harryrf> I love the introductions here
# [03:33] <hiramyoucan> chin
# [03:33] <hiramyoucan> china
# [03:33] <@shepazu> ok, hiramyoucan, that's enough :)
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# [03:34] <@Ryan_Lane> ok. removed the performance tweak on app1 that was likely causing the database connections issue
# [03:34] <@Ryan_Lane> it was in place for when the static content was being served from it
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# [03:35] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: thanks, man
# [03:35] <@Ryan_Lane> yw
# [03:36] <Tomato> shepazu, does promoting an account on the wiki also result in an admin forum account? Did you mean for that to happen because I though you should know I have admin rights on the forum too.
# [03:37] <@shepazu> Tomato: yeah, I think it does� please don't abuse them :)
# [03:37] <Tomato> Okay, just making sure you knew, I won't, don't worry. :3
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# [03:47] <harryrf> jaycie: Welcome!
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# [03:48] <Guest11315> DROP INDEX
# [03:48] <jaycie> ths
# [03:48] <Guest11315> DROP `CHAT`
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# [03:50] <Computer> Hello, world!
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# [03:50] <ChadT> lol @ Guest11315
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# [03:52] <Tomato> shepazu, I'm having strange issues with my forum account where I can log on the wiki, but if I switch to forums, it just shows my IP for some reason and all my rights are gone. If I move back to the wiki, it just logs me out again afterwards.
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# [03:52] <@shepazu> Tomato: OSSO is hard� can you please file a bug?
# [03:52] <Tomato> The account was working fine a second ago, now it's just stuck on my IP for some reason.
# [03:52] <Tomato> Okay.
# [03:52] <@shepazu> SSO
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# [03:54] <OpenGG> This web IRC use comet?
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# [03:56] <zhangsan> hello ,every one
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# [03:59] <boyso> hello
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# [04:00] <cyc> anybody here?
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# [04:00] <Tomato> Hi cyc.
# [04:00] <Tomato> Hi everyone~
# [04:01] <Bankzilla> lol
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# [04:01] <nnnnnnesf> test
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# [04:04] <Tomato> Hi.
# [04:04] <agustinkry> one question , if you use display none , content will be loaded ?
# [04:04] <arkhi1> agustinkry: depends. ?
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# [04:05] <agustinkry> one question , if you use display none , content will be loaded ?
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# [04:06] <agustinkry> one question , if you use display none , content will be loaded ?
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# [04:07] <amidamaru888> hi
# [04:08] <agustinkry> one question , if you use display none , content will be loaded ?
# [04:08] <Tomato> Where are you using it?
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# [04:08] <agustinkry> responsive site
# [04:08] <agustinkry> for example a gallery
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# [04:08] <amidamaru888> may iI help translating stuff toSpanish in this site??h
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# [04:08] <Tomato> display: none, as in the CSS visibility, right?
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# [04:09] <James> Hello.
# [04:09] <Tomato> It probably won't display anything depending on what class you used it under.
# [04:09] <Tomato> Hi James.
# [04:09] <ctoveloz[BR]> float: right
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# [04:09] <ctoveloz[BR]> lol
# [04:09] <agustinkry> but it will make the request ?
# [04:09] <Guest55871> Guess I can't be James, I am a complete noob here.
# [04:09] <agustinkry> of images?
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# [04:09] <Guest55871> Saw this site on tomshardware and decided to take a look.
# [04:10] <Tomato> Your name might be taken by someone else on Freenode.
# [04:10] <Tomato> Maybe you can be James2
# [04:10] <Tomato> Type /nick whateveryouwanthere
# [04:10] <Tomato> to change your name
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# [04:10] <viralgeek> What is this all about?
# [04:10] <James052> That works.
# [04:10] <James052> Thanks.
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# [04:11] <Tomato> agustinkry, I guess I'm a little confused on how you're using it, can you paste the coding in here.
# [04:11] <Tomato> Hi viralgeek!
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# [04:11] <viralgeek> hey!
# [04:11] <Tomato> Are you referring to the entire website?
# [04:11] <steve_s> hello viralgeek
# [04:11] <viralgeek> yes
# [04:12] <Tomato> Well, it's about playing for keeps, ya know, we're laying down the free information for you so you can learn how to work on the front end of websites.
# [04:12] <Tomato> But also, we'll be providing information about some backend aspects too, that's in the works.
# [04:12] <Tomato> So mostly information about HTML, CSS, Javascript, things like that.
# [04:12] <Tomato> Plus, a little about php, perl, etc.
# [04:13] <viralgeek> So how to create great websites?
# [04:13] <@shepazu> practice
# [04:13] <steve_s> Anything about .NET and the web?
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# [04:14] <Guest99587> any one talking?
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# [04:14] <Tomato> steve_s, I haven't heard anything about .NET, but I'm sure you can propose the idea.
# [04:14] <Tomato> Hi Guest99587.
# [04:15] <@paul_irish> steve_s: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ#Will_this_site_include_information_on_server-side_languages.2C_like_PHP.2C_Perl.2C_Ruby.2C_Python.2C_etc..3F
# [04:15] <Gamfung> www.baidu.com
# [04:15] <Guest99587> ^ _ ^
# [04:15] <@paul_irish> hey ryanseddon
# [04:15] <dren_a> Hi~
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# [04:15] <Guest99587> ????
# [04:15] <ryanseddon> paul_irish: yo
# [04:15] <dren_a> ??,???
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# [04:15] <steve_s> thank you paul_irish
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# [04:15] <Gamfung> ????IK
# [04:15] * paul_irish changes topic to 'WebPlatform: ask and answer questions about web development and design :: FAQ: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ :: logs: http://talk.webplatform.org/chatlogs :: bugs: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org | English only, please'
# [04:15] <Guest99587> ??????
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# [04:16] <@paul_irish> English only please. you can create a new channel if you dont want to speak in english
# [04:16] <dren_a> ???????????
# [04:16] <Gamfung> only english?
# [04:16] <dren_a> ?????36Kr???,???
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# [04:16] <Tomato> Yeah, so everyone can understand you~
# [04:16] <Guest99587> 36kr??????
# [04:16] <dren_a> Oh,sorry....
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# [04:17] <Gamfung> QQ ??
# [04:17] <Guest99587> ?????????????
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# [04:17] <steve_s> Tomato...how long have you been involved with webplatform.org and how did you get started with them?
# [04:17] <dren_a> can you know Chinese?
# [04:17] <Tomato> I just started today actually.
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# [04:17] <@paul_irish> /join #webplatform-cn
# [04:17] <@paul_irish> for chinese go there ^
# [04:17] <Tomato> But I have been using MediaWiki for five years.
# [04:17] <steve_s> ok...cool
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# [04:18] <Tomato> I'm just a volunteer though.
# [04:18] <dren_a> ping baidu.com
# [04:18] <Tomato> The people with @ by their name are much more involved and can answer more questions.
# [04:18] <Gamfung> mediawiki , no idea
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# [04:18] <dren_a> i guess they are involved in TW...
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# [04:19] <dren_a> or weibo.com
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# [04:20] <steve_s> tomato..ok...I'm a .NET developer and just checked in to see what webplatform.org was all about.
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# [04:21] <steve_s> I've developed a few .aspx sites and am wanting to broaden my experience
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# [04:21] <Tomato> You should throw the idea out there if you want to write about .NET, the admins around here are pretty flexible and like hearing ideas.
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# [04:25] <steve_s> ok...thank you for taking the time to respond tomato
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# [04:26] <Tomato> No problem steve_s.
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# [04:27] <Tomato> if you want, you can yell at shepazu, that's who I yell at when I have ideas.
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# [04:27] <emtyvb> oooooooooooooooooo
# [04:27] <Tomato> Hi emtyvb.
# [04:27] <emtyvb> eeeeee
# [04:27] <@shepazu> STOP YELLING AT MEEEE
# [04:27] <@paul_irish> Tomato: right now backend stuff is out of scope
# [04:28] <steve_s> how do you leave the chat group?...I'm using Google Chrome
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# [04:28] <@paul_irish> close the tab?
# [04:28] <steve_s> ok...I can close the tab...just wondering if there was a command or something
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# [04:30] <Tomato> ahh okay paul_irish, I just saw shepazu putting some stuff up about php and perl, so I figured if he wanted to ask, that would be the person to go to. Thanks though. :3
# [04:30] <Tomato> Also, I was just watching a video about Web Platform and saw you in it.
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# [04:30] <@shepazu> Tomato: nah, I just made placeholders
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# [04:30] <@shepazu> this project is the first time I've really used PHP
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# [04:30] <nodexy> Hello there
# [04:30] <jkomoros> There's now a question on WPD:FAQ about this
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# [04:30] <jkomoros> thanks to shepazu
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# [04:31] <gootle> Hi
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# [04:31] <@shepazu> jkomoros: well, it was your genius idea to put it in the Frequently Asked Questions after I'd answered it myself about 10 times� maybe I should have thought of that myself...
# [04:31] <jkomoros> :-)
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# [04:32] <@Garbee> webplatform.org ... Keeping people awake since 10-9-2012.
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# [04:32] <ar_> hi to all
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# [04:32] <@Garbee> shepazu, Now you will just need to give the FAQ link to everyone who asks since no one actually reads it up front.
# [04:33] <opaxa> Hi guys
# [04:33] <@shepazu> Garbee: :) easier than typing it all again
# [04:33] <@shepazu> hi, opaxa
# [04:33] <jkomoros> Even better, we just need a bot that automatically responds with the link whenever a new user writes something with a ? in it
# [04:33] <@Garbee> Also better than me trying to remember what we ended on as far as an answer this morning too.
# [04:33] <@Garbee> Nah, a bot for ? is going a littel too far.
# [04:34] <nbmatt> hm
# [04:34] <jkomoros> I was joking :-)
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# [04:34] <@Garbee> Perhaps search for any server-side language and "include" and a ?.... then we have a bot.
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# [04:34] <@Garbee> Needs to be just a tad more targeted. Since any server-side language questions are way out of he scope of even the chatroom.
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# [04:35] <Tomato> paul_irish or shepazu, http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Es/Animaci%C3%B3n_con_JavaScript Are Spanish pages suppose to be up already? Is the language code suppose to be in front or on the end? How should language links be formatted?
# [04:36] <opaxa> I have a question for you, about technologies, not about website :) How you see future of web-development? I mean not a wordpress or php, but really big projects. How JS should be organized? What tools use to make templates and stylesheets?
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# [04:36] <@Garbee> Tomato, It is only the title. How did that happen?
# [04:37] <@Garbee> I think someone made the title that, or a bad import.
# [04:37] <nbmatt> is it illegal (in terms of U.S. law) if a webmaster decided to rebel and not follow the standards? just curious how that works :)
# [04:37] <@Garbee> nbmatt, That depends on *why* you ask.
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# [04:37] <jkomoros> Tomato: That file's from a long time ago
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# [04:38] <jkomoros> looks like it was an import of some existing content months ago, before we had even discussed how to handle translations at all
# [04:38] <Tomato> Ah okay.
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# [04:38] <Tomato> There are some Japanese pages too.
# [04:38] <@Garbee> Oh, it is under ES.. maybe it is a test for language support?
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# [04:39] <jkomoros> We should mark those and make sure we do the right thing with them when we figure out what that is. :-)
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# [04:39] <Tomato> nbmatt, it would only be illegal if there was some sort of agreement formed between the webmaster and the client. Such as a contract.
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# [04:39] <@Garbee> Can we please get crap like this deleted? http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/1398/when-is-the-world-gong-to-end
# [04:39] <Tomato> If you want, I could put them in a "Foreign Language" category or something.
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# [04:40] <jkomoros> That might be reasonable
# [04:40] <Tomato> Also Garbee, I would close that but for some reason my admin forum account just broke, so I had to submit a bug for it, you can't see the close button though?
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# [04:40] <@Garbee> What close button?
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# [04:41] <@Garbee> hehe, obviously not.
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# [04:41] <opaxa> ok, looks like you are too busy, so i go
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# [04:41] <@Garbee> What did opaxa want? I never saw a question.
# [04:41] <@Garbee> Oh, just found it.
# [04:41] <Tomato> I didn't see a question from opaxa either.
# [04:41] <@Garbee> Oh, something I don't think we have the time for right now.
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# [04:41] <@Garbee> <opaxa> I have a question for you, about technologies, not about website :) How you see future of web-development? I mean not a wordpress or php, but really big projects. How JS should be organized? What tools use to make templates and stylesheets?
# [04:41] <@Garbee> That was it.
# [04:42] <Tomato> Oh, I see.
# [04:42] <@Garbee> Yea, I just logged back into the forum and still don't see a close button.
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# [04:43] <Tomato> Garbee, if it makes you feel better, maybe your account is just bugged? Mine was working earlier, but now when I move to the forum, it just shows my IP instead of my account and all my rights are gone.
# [04:43] <Tomato> My admin account on the wiki still works though.
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# [04:43] <@Garbee> Tomato, I shouldn't have any admin rights on the site itself.
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# [04:43] <Tomato> Oh okay.
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# [04:43] <@Garbee> I am only an op here that I know of...
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# [04:44] <jkomoros> Tomato: Earlier today when I was running between meetings I saw someone talk about making some changes to some of the templates (I think)
# [04:44] <jkomoros> do you remember who that was or what they were saying?
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# [04:45] <IRC_MelOn> kk
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# [04:46] <@paul_irish> jkomoros: afaik that was Tomato
# [04:46] <Tomato> Probably the admin from wikipedia, waldir.
# [04:46] <@paul_irish> ya
# [04:46] <@paul_irish> i thought you wanted to unprotect them :)
# [04:46] <jkomoros> ah, okay
# [04:46] <jkomoros> there's a lot of improvement to be done to the various templates
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# [04:46] <Tomato> I still do, mostly because I don't think people would vandalize them but it's just my own opinion, haha.
# [04:47] <jkomoros> I've been the informal owner of them so far
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# [04:47] <jkomoros> but I'm often in meetings during the day, so I can't follow IRC all day :-(
# [04:47] <jkomoros> I'd love for other folks to help "own" the templates
# [04:47] <jkomoros> a
# [04:47] <Tomato> He said he wanted to add something to the template so it would automatically categorize, and give the flags template classes so it was easier to choose flags and let them categorize, then he mentioned something about SMW and asked if I knew about it.
# [04:47] <Tomato> Then he disappeared, I guess maybe he went to bed or something.
# [04:47] <jkomoros> ah, right
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# [04:48] <jkomoros> also, I want to unprotect the templates soon
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# [04:48] <jkomoros> we just locked down some sensitive pages for the launch crunch
# [04:48] <Tomato> Ah okay, that makes sense.
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# [04:48] <jkomoros> and I didn't have a watch list in place, and there weren't enough people watching them closely
# [04:48] <jkomoros> and that knew how to fix them
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# [04:49] <jkomoros> Do you have any interest in learning about them?
# [04:49] <Tomato> I know templates pretty well actually.
# [04:49] <Tomato> If you want I can edit them.
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# [04:49] <Tomato> And do that stuff that Waldir mentioned.
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# [04:49] <jkomoros> have you had a chance to read through http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Implementation_Patterns ?
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# [04:50] <jkomoros> I'd also like it if we can have discussions about architectural changes to categories/templates/properties on the mailing list
# [04:50] <jkomoros> t
# [04:50] <Tomato> I checked it out earlier, mostly when we were talking about SMW.
# [04:50] <jkomoros> hat way folks who can't be on the IRC channel all day (like me) can still weigh in
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# [04:50] <Tomato> Yeah that would be really nice because the categories are a little crazy right now.
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# [04:51] <jkomoros> yeah, there's TONS of room for improvement
# [04:51] <Tomato> I spent a few hours sorting like 300 or so uncategorized pages with a friend, but there's still a lot of duplicate categorizes.
# [04:51] <jkomoros> what part of the world are you from?
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# [04:51] <kcy> a
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# [04:51] <@Garbee> It works kcy.
# [04:52] <divya_> hey
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# [04:52] <kcy> hi,i am new here!
# [04:52] <Tomato> Hi kcy!
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# [04:52] <@Garbee> kcy, Everyone is new here. It launched a day ago. ;)
# [04:52] <@Garbee> Welcome though.
# [04:52] <divya_> hey hw u
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# [04:54] <bugss> hi
# [04:54] <Tomato> Hi bugss.
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# [04:55] <Raymin> hello
# [04:55] <luckyjajj> hi
# [04:55] <Tomato> jkomoros, should I start editing templates or wait until they get discussed more with the mailing list?
# [04:55] <Tomato> Hi Raymin and luckyjajj.
# [04:55] <jkomoros> Why don't you propose your changes you want to make on the mailing list?
# [04:56] <thinkoo> hello
# [04:56] <jkomoros> for all intents and purposes, at this point I'm the only person that needs to respond
# [04:56] <Tomato> Okay, that would be awesome.
# [04:56] <Raymin> Hi Tomato
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# [04:56] <jkomoros> but it will be good to have a more permanent record, and also to ensure that I get a chance to see that stuff (I'm not always able to be in IRC)
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# [04:56] <@Garbee> jkomoros, It is also good to get others input still. Perhaps someone else will see a different way of doing things.
# [04:57] <jkomoros> yep
# [04:57] <jkomoros> definitely
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# [04:57] <@Garbee> I feel like inbox explosion is about to occur from this mailing list.
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# [04:57] <@Garbee> I may need to do like I did with kernel.org and make a dedicated email account for it.
# [04:57] <jkomoros> well, we've already got IRC explosion
# [04:57] <@Garbee> I think explosion in here understates it.
# [04:57] <jkomoros> you might be able to use filters and such
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# [04:58] <jkomoros> brb
# [04:58] <@Garbee> jkomoros, hosted via my web host, not that kind of control and I don't feel like piping.
# [04:58] <@Garbee> err, forwarding would be the proper term for email.
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# [05:00] <divya__> hey wh ar u
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# [05:01] <cocushio> this is neat
# [05:01] <@Garbee> 1921.
# [05:01] <@Garbee> 191*
# [05:01] <@Garbee> 191 people in the room with 6 Ops.
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# [05:02] <nbmatt> interesting.. you guys are reviving irc haha
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# [05:03] <JerryBolokinoz> Hello everybody from Brazil
# [05:04] <@Garbee> nbmatt, Do remember people tend to lurk quite a bit in IRC.
# [05:04] <Nick_Zaccardi> Hello JerryBolokinoz
# [05:04] <Tomato_> nbmatt, this IRC is always bumpin!
# [05:04] <Tomato_> It's a party in here
# [05:04] <Nick_Zaccardi> Tomato_: you get your Admin?
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# [05:04] <JerryBolokinoz> toc toc
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# [05:05] <arkhi1> Hello from China JerryBolokinoz
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# [05:05] <@Garbee> What IRC clients do you guys use? I don't need any explinations, just names please.
# [05:05] <arkhi1> Garbee: Thunderbird
# [05:06] <@Garbee> Wait... When did Thunderbird start doing IRC?
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# [05:06] <arkhi1> Since version 15 :)
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# [05:06] <Nick_Zaccardi> LimeChat
# [05:06] <nbmatt> i never knew that either
# [05:07] <@Garbee> arkhi1, Wow. Too bad I don't do desktop email anymore. :(
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# [05:07] <arkhi1> Garbee: Facebook, Google Talk, IRC, XMPP, Twitter
# [05:07] <@Garbee> Still, I can't really use that in something I'm mocking up. Too much extra stuff.
# [05:08] <@Garbee> arkhi1, I saw in the release notes.
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# [05:08] <@Garbee> Nick_Zaccardi, Nice! I forgot about that one and i know many love it.
# [05:08] <Nick_Zaccardi> It you are on a Mac it is really nice
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# [05:10] <@Garbee> I like how LimeChat is basically a web page.
# [05:10] <arkhi1> Nick_Zaccardi: Don�t fight� Bend as the reed
# [05:10] <@Garbee> It uses CSS for easy changing of styles.
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# [05:11] <Nick_Zaccardi> changes*
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# [05:13] <arkhi1> Nick_Zaccardi: It gets rid of local changes locally if you don�t pass more options, I think.
# [05:13] <JerryBolokinoz> What is the best site to test my website performance?
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# [05:13] <@Garbee> JerryBolokinoz, I use http://gtmetrix.com and http://webpagetest.org
# [05:14] <JerryBolokinoz> oh great! thaks!!
# [05:14] <@Garbee> Be warned, getting 100% is not always the best.
# [05:14] <@Garbee> A general guide for me is to have 90% or greater.
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# [05:14] <@Garbee> At least on Gtmetrix.
# [05:15] <wghenderson> you might also check out http://stevesouders.com/ he has some great tools for accessing performance
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# [05:15] <kjhkjh> hi
# [05:16] <@Garbee> There is something else we can add to the site... Speed tips and testing.
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# [05:16] <NotTomato> Hi.
# [05:17] <arkhi1> Ho NotTomato.
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# [05:18] <Bankzilla> agustinkry: sorry if this has already been answered: Yes it will make a request, but it wont show it on the page. So the element is still there on the page, it's just hidden
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# [05:22] <@Garbee> Any input on my reformed chat page? http://test.jonathangarbee.com/
# [05:23] <@Garbee> Could probably use a few more clients.
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# [05:24] <Tomato> Garbee, sorry I disconnected, which clients? o;
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# [05:25] <@Garbee> Tomato, I was asking what IRC clients people used to link to in my idea for a reformed chat page. http://test.jonathangarbee.com/ If you have any suggestions please let me know.
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# [05:27] <Tomato> HexChat? It's basically XChat, except instead it's free. Pidgin is also pretty good for IRC and also allows you to connect to other things, I've used that before too.
# [05:28] <Ricky_zhang> hey
# [05:28] <@Garbee> Tomato, Xchat is free, except for Windows. And there is a installer from Silverex for Windows that is free but uses GTK instead of the Windows UI engine.
# [05:28] <gelatocar> I'm using adium for mac at the min, I haven't used IRC much but it seems to work well.
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# [05:28] <Tomato> Yeah, I just mean HexChat was free for windows.
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# [05:29] <@Garbee> I'm going to add a link to pidgin and a few others. I'm not going to worry about linking to forks of paid for software made free since if people *really* care they will search themselves.
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# [05:29] <Tomato> Yeah true, okay. (:
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# [05:30] <@Garbee> I'd hope that users may install one and decide they like it and pay for the development time compared to just linking to free versions everywhere. I think devs to deserve a little cash for their efforts, so why not help out a little.
# [05:30] <xiaopangge> ??????
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# [05:31] <Tomato> I guess I was just thinking of people who might not have too much money to spare, but of course, if they want something free, they can look it up.
# [05:31] <@Garbee> Is it *legal* to fork xchat and make it free on Windows. Ofc it is. But I still feel a little better by not linking to all that just to help people avoid paying for other peoples time.
# [05:31] <arkhi1> Garbee: Pidgin?
# [05:31] <pwnang> /msg nickserv help
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# [05:31] <@Garbee> Pidgin is a chat client for all kinds of protocols including IRC.
# [05:31] <arkhi1> Garbee: Sorry, didn�t read the whole backlog before suggesting. :p
# [05:31] <@Garbee> http://pidgin.im/
# [05:32] <arkhi1> (that was a suggestion, yes)
# [05:32] <@Garbee> Oh, that was another suggestion.
# [05:32] <@Garbee> ok, we are on the same page now then.
# [05:32] <arkhi1> Sorry for the confusion. :)
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# [05:32] <@Garbee> It is all cool. We didn't get too far into some random conversation over miscommunication... Which actually happens to me a bit too often.
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# [05:33] <arkhi1> You can alternatively link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC#Clients
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# [05:34] <@Garbee> Even better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_clients
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# [05:35] <www_> hello
# [05:35] <ryanseddon> gonna push a blog post live real soon but check out how broken optgroups are in iOS6 safari http://youtu.be/PPRUVzeo4TM
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# [05:37] <Tomato> Oh god, Mechromancer just came out for Borderlands 2 early, I have to go play omg. I'll be back in the morning.
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# [05:38] <xiaopangge> ??.??????
# [05:39] <Tomato> Also hi xiaopangge.
# [05:39] <Tomato> Please speak English so we can understand you!
# [05:39] <xiaopangge> OK
# [05:40] <Tomato> Thanks. :D
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# [05:41] <wghenderson> thats some f'd up shit ryanseddon
# [05:41] <ctoveloz[BR]> HexChat is the best
# [05:41] <@Garbee> wghenderson, What is?
# [05:41] <wghenderson> the broken optgroups in iOS6
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# [05:42] <director> hi there
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# [05:42] <@Garbee> Oh, that stuff. I'm thinking it is just a bug and will get fixed.
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# [05:43] <wghenderson> Probably, but working in the mobile space it is good to know
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# [05:44] <Afei> ??????
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# [05:44] <@Garbee> wghenderson, Any issues like that are good to know. Then you don't try to do something and spend hours attempting to figure it out.
# [05:44] <@Garbee> ;)
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# [05:44] <wghenderson> agreed, been there done that
# [05:44] <@Garbee> Afei, Please speak English and use UTF-8 Characters.
# [05:45] <@Garbee> Oh, the time I have wasted debugging known bugs...
# [05:45] <@Garbee> Freaking Gnome/Unity.
# [05:45] <@Garbee> ^^Why I don't use Linux as my desktop OS anymore.
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# [05:45] <Afei> Hello,Bird.
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# [05:46] <wghenderson> @Garbee i can imagine
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# [05:47] <achuan> everybody ???,china welcome you!
# [05:49] <bird_> hi,all
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# [05:56] <arkhi> ?? achuan, hello achuan
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# [05:57] <Tomato> Hi bird_.
# [05:57] <arkhi> Hello again Tomato :)
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# [05:57] <sss> hi
# [05:57] <Tomato> Hi.
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# [05:58] <achuan> ???arkhi
# [05:58] <achuan> ???<arkhi>
# [05:58] <achuan> ???!arkhi
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# [06:06] <Guest14191> Why did my nick change?
# [06:07] <Tomato_> Because someone else on Freenode is using your name.
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# [06:07] <Guest14191> ah
# [06:07] <eternicode> or vice versa
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# [06:07] <Tomato_> Type /nick whateveryouwanthere to change your nickname
# [06:07] <tony_> hello
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# [06:07] <praveen___> hello
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# [06:07] <Ali> Hi
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# [06:07] <steveyang> successfully changed my name lol
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# [06:07] <Ali> this looks fimiliar
# [06:08] <Tomato_> Hi Ali.
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# [06:08] <Nick_Zaccardi> I give up... today is just not my day
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# [06:08] <Ali> it has sound aswell
# [06:08] <Tomato_> What's wrong Nick_Zaccardi?
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# [06:08] <lele__> Hello everyone
# [06:08] <Nick_Zaccardi> Tomato_: git is fighting me, php is fighting me, my server is fighting me...
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# [06:09] <Nick_Zaccardi> I think it is time for a new language!
# [06:09] <Nick_Zaccardi> Python... here I come
# [06:09] <lele__> it's time to lunch
# [06:09] <Tomato_> python is fun.
# [06:10] <Nick_Zaccardi> Rumor has it...
# [06:10] <plamoni> How about Ruby? It's fun for at least one program :-P
# [06:10] <lele__> One program?
# [06:10] <Nick_Zaccardi> I gave Ruby a shack a few months back
# [06:10] <Ali> Python is just fun
# [06:10] <charlieok> I tried to create an account on webplatform.org but it said �The user account was not created, as we could not confirm its source. Ensure you have cookies enabled, reload this page and try again.� However I *do* have cookies enabled
# [06:10] <Nick_Zaccardi> Here is the thing I like about pgp
# [06:10] <Nick_Zaccardi> php*
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# [06:11] <Nick_Zaccardi> Get a LAMP running and it jut goes
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# [06:11] <Nick_Zaccardi> And let's be honest it is not hard to get a LAMP running
# [06:11] <plamoni> Nick_Zaccardi: Yeah, but it's wicked hard to secure
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# [06:11] <Tomato_> charlieok, try hard refreshing and registering again, hit ctrl+f5
# [06:12] <Nick_Zaccardi> maybe, but I am not writing defense code...
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# [06:12] <Nick_Zaccardi> not that security isn't important... I just mean that the barrier to entry is work the risk
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# [06:13] <plamoni> I think the problem with LAMP servers is the L and A parts� and maybe the M
# [06:13] <plamoni> and partially the P
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# [06:13] <plamoni> if you want to do web development, there's no need to become a sysadmin in the process
# [06:13] <lele__> It s time for lunch
# [06:13] <lele__> It s time for lunch
# [06:14] <lele__> It s time for lunch
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# [06:14] <plamoni> there are some really nice "PaaS" solutions out there
# [06:14] <Nick_Zaccardi> lele__: congrats.
# [06:14] <plamoni> like AppEngine
# [06:14] <plamoni> and Heroku
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# [06:14] <plamoni> that will let you ignore the LA and most of the M, and stick to the P or J of your choice :-D
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# [06:15] <plamoni> fewer parts to manage == much easier to secure
# [06:15] <charlieok> I'm wondering what the registration page on webplatform.org means by �we could not confirm its source�. What exactly is it attempting to confirm?
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# [06:15] <Nick_Zaccardi> plamoni: I agree. Do you know of any Python PaaS that run with 3.0
# [06:16] <plamoni> i don't think AppEngine supports 3.0 yet
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# [06:16] <plamoni> but it's certainly my PaaS choice for Python
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# [06:17] <Nick_Zaccardi> I will have to give it a chance
# [06:17] <plamoni> heroku also supports python
# [06:17] <plamoni> but also not 3.0 yet
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# [06:17] <Nick_Zaccardi> I have minimal experience with heroku
# [06:18] <plamoni> i'm growing to love heroku's git-based deployment model
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# [06:18] <Nick_Zaccardi> That is handy
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# [06:19] <Nick_Zaccardi> But you need to have a local dev set up
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# [06:19] <plamoni> yeah, but it's not hard
# [06:19] <plamoni> you just need Node.js
# [06:19] <Nick_Zaccardi> which means you are back to dev-ops again
# [06:19] <Mr_Sunshyne> Thanks for launching this platform.
# [06:19] <jjjjjkl> lool
# [06:19] <Mr_Sunshyne> Hope it helps many people!
# [06:19] <Mr_Sunshyne> :P
# [06:19] <Mr_Sunshyne> glhf
# [06:20] <plamoni> but it's pretty minimal� and with LAMP, you're stuck trying to manage configuration between your different tiers (dev and prod)
# [06:20] <jjjjjkl> its chat table really?
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# [06:20] <plamoni> and with something like Heroku, the configuration is managed via Git, so it's easily copied over
# [06:20] <Nick_Zaccardi> I suppose.
# [06:21] <Nick_Zaccardi> This all goes back to a few things
# [06:21] <Nick_Zaccardi> well, one big thing
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# [06:21] <Nick_Zaccardi> It is not easy to develop for the web any more
# [06:21] <plamoni> it was easy before?
# [06:21] <Nick_Zaccardi> easier than it is now
# [06:22] <plamoni> was it? or was it just that people set their bar a bit lower? :-)
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# [06:22] <Nick_Zaccardi> maybe, maybe not
# [06:22] <plamoni> i mean, if you just want to drop some HTML on a web server, that's easier than ever
# [06:22] <charlieok> Looks like webplatform.org will happily create an account using an email address from a well-known provider like gmail.com but will fail to �confirm� if given an email from (in my case) a domain I registered myself
# [06:22] <plamoni> but that's not enough anymore
# [06:22] <Nick_Zaccardi> true.
# [06:22] <Nick_Zaccardi> regardless
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# [06:23] <Nick_Zaccardi> It is not easy and I find myself getting frustrated more and more
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# [06:23] <Nick_Zaccardi> maybe I am just dumb...
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# [06:23] <Nick_Zaccardi> :)
# [06:24] <Nick_Zaccardi> When all else fails self-deprecate! jk.
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# [06:24] <plamoni> it's probably not that� if you're here, you're thinkin' with the right brain cells
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# [06:25] <Nick_Zaccardi> well, those brain cells are shutting off quickly... Tomorrow is a new day. until then, gn
# [06:25] <Guest91974> hi
# [06:25] <plamoni> heck, you've got paul_irish here to answer all your frontend development questions� and probably a bunch more people I really should know but don't :-/
# [06:25] <charlieok> Did I break a rule here? I apologize if I did...
# [06:25] <plamoni> night, Nick_Zaccardi!
# [06:25] <Nick_Zaccardi> plamoni: good night. talk to you soon!
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# [06:27] <Tomato_> charliok, that's interesting. you can report the issue as a bug and see if someone can fix it.
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# [06:28] <Tomato_> Oh wait, he left. shoot~
# [06:28] <Tomato_> Hi tunxtinx.
# [06:28] <Tomato_> I guess I'll report it.
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# [06:43] <NeXy> hi i am younger developer from Russia
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# [06:44] <Tomato_> Welcome NeXy.
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# [06:45] <NeXy> Where find good job if my town is not big? Where i could found a job in internet ?
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# [06:45] <TehRealGawd> NeXy, most people don't hire front-end from developers unless they have a degree and extensive experience
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# [06:46] <TehRealGawd> and then they just use wordpress and other things
# [06:46] <astropirate_> what?
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# [06:46] <astropirate_> thats not true
# [06:46] <astropirate_> well..
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# [06:46] <astropirate_> it might be
# [06:46] <astropirate_> but not so much for freelance stuff
# [06:46] <astropirate_> or if you got the inside hooksies
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# [06:47] <TehRealGawd> front-end is so easy to do though that many people use pre-compiled websites
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# [06:47] <TehRealGawd> and the ones who don't use those already have their site made
# [06:47] <XING_> ping www.baidu.com
# [06:47] <NeXy> But how they start their career ?
# [06:47] <TehRealGawd> front-end web development is dying job market in my opinion
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# [06:48] <astropirate_> i think its steady
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# [06:48] <astropirate_> NeXy, depends on what kind of jobs you want. if you want small-time jobs try odeks elance guru etc
# [06:48] <XING_> this application is long polling
# [06:48] <XING_> ???
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# [06:48] <XING_> this application is long polling??????
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# [06:48] <XING_> or websocket
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# [06:48] <paris> Hola
# [06:49] <anil> hi
# [06:49] <paris> Alguien que hable espa�ol??
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# [06:49] <Tomato_> The admins ask that you speak English in this channel, paris.
# [06:49] <anil> may i know when will you complete this website
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# [06:50] <NeXy> Ok, but if i want create own project, what do i do ?
# [06:50] <astropirate_> NeXy, you start it
# [06:50] <astropirate_> NeXy, not sure what you are asking
# [06:51] <redboot> NeXy: What's the project?
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# [06:51] <ff_> cc
# [06:51] <ff_> ..
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# [06:52] <jackie_> oh well...what's this?
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# [06:52] <DEEJAY_> COOL best ))
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# [06:54] <redboot> Bye
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# [06:56] <Vasant_> all
# [06:56] <Quber> Hi
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# [07:02] <hamed> alpha
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# [07:05] <tom> hi
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# [07:05] <wonsuk> Hi. tom
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# [07:06] <wonsuk> It's funny ;)
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# [07:11] <doom_> hello
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# [07:13] <wilan> hi there
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# [07:13] <phantom> hi
# [07:13] <wilan> someone over here?
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# [07:14] <phantom> yep phantom here
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# [07:14] <wilan> so, who are u phantom?
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# [07:14] <Guest62484> web developer
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# [07:16] <wilan> [b] im from dominican republic[/b]
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# [07:19] <Croal> Hello
# [07:19] <darkodelta> hi
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# [07:20] <darkodelta> are these irc chats running on freenode.net or some other servers?
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# [07:21] <hate606> ????
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# [07:22] <arkhi> darkodelta: Yes, It�s on Freenode.
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# [07:22] <darkodelta> thanks
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# [07:23] <arkhi> darkodelta: http://talk.webplatform.org/
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# [07:25] <ChosenMango> I'm really into web standards. and pimple popping websites
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# [07:26] <ruby_on_tails> hello
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# [07:30] <Guest99935> Does Web Platform support multilingual right now? I can't see any way to edit content in another language?
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# [07:31] <arkhi> Hi Guest99935.
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# [07:31] <arkhi> Guest99935: It should be possible in a few weeks, if the answer I had yesterday was correct.
# [07:31] <llll> test ....
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# [07:32] <Guest99935> @arkhi: Thanks! I see.
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# [07:38] <Guest39771> hi. i need web developer for new site. who has a portfolio? thks
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# [07:56] <ary> hi guys
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# [08:00] <Guest58224> Hi all
# [08:01] <arkhi> hi Guest58224
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# [08:03] <Guest58224> Has this site been helpful to anyone since it launched
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# [08:10] <olp> hello all
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# [08:13] <Amfibi9> Hi)
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# [08:13] <PingWin87> ???? ??, ??? ??? ?? ???????
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# [08:14] <arkhi> PingWin87: Sorry, we only speak English here.
# [08:14] <nick> !info
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# [08:15] <PingWin87> why?
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# [08:15] <Alfonso_2412> :)
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# [08:16] <arkhi> PingWin87: I suppose to avoid a really confused conversation when this happens.
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# [08:17] <Dinesh_> hi friends
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# [08:19] <zhodge> hey all
# [08:19] <zhodge> any way to find all of the stubs?
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# [08:20] <THANGLH> CHAT
# [08:20] <THANGLH> TEST
# [08:20] <THANGLH> HI ALL
# [08:20] <art-divin> hi there
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# [08:21] <Faruk> hello
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# [08:23] <Anenth> hi
# [08:23] <Anenth> wow this is great
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# [08:23] <JohnJohn> Hi
# [08:23] <arkhi> hello art-divin, and Anenth
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# [08:24] <Anenth> hello arkhi
# [08:24] <JohnJohn> Have a question already, am using latest Google Chrome with all default settings and somehow it displays all websites Headers and Input boxes in italic...why is that|?
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# [08:25] <test_> #exit
# [08:25] <astropirate_> So.......
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# [08:25] <astropirate_> Anyone hirigin? :D
# [08:25] <arkhi> JohnJohn: Do you have URL and screenshots?
# [08:25] <LeoKwok> :)
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# [08:25] <art-divin> as i suspect, this platform is intended to become the main competitor for stackoverflow :)
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# [08:26] <JohnJohn> there is no URL as it happens on all websites
# [08:26] <arkhi> art-divin: This should probably better be an educational content, more than a help platform.
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# [08:27] <JohnJohn> and sceenshots, just imagine all header tags being italic :) haha
# [08:27] <arkhi> That�s how I understood it, at least.
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# [08:28] <JohnJohn> weird thing is that this only happen on Google chrome browser, firefox and IE are fine
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# [08:29] <art-divin> well, it's very nice for all those software giants to participate in something ONE and Open!
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# [08:29] <minnie> a?
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# [08:30] <Guest55021> ??????????
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# [08:31] <arkhi> Guest55021: ?????? ;)
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# [08:33] <arkhi> Oh� That was a bad typo in Chinese�
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# [08:34] <bhjhg> hi
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# [08:42] <mxaos> hi
# [08:42] <Peskovdv> hello all
# [08:42] <mxaos> anybody here?
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# [08:42] <arkhi> indeed mxaos
# [08:42] <arkhi> hello
# [08:42] <mxaos> so many people involved in html5/css3?
# [08:42] <tocka_> this is something new
# [08:42] <tocka_> ::)))
# [08:43] <mxaos> hi arkhi
# [08:43] <mxaos> hi tocka
# [08:43] <arkhi> But most of people in US are sleeping, and Chinese I saw coming here were speaking chinese and left shortly after. :p
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# [08:43] <mxaos> just bought two books on the subject
# [08:43] <mxaos> seems great
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# [08:44] <mxaos> i'm a bit late
# [08:44] <arkhi> It is. :)
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# [08:44] <mxaos> are you a web designer arkhi?
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# [08:45] <arkhi> Probably closer to the frontend dev
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# [08:45] <Peskovdv> Who can look at my project and evaluate its usability?
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# [08:45] <Peskovdv> please
# [08:45] <BlocksBerg> Test
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# [08:46] <mxaos> cool this old flavoured irc chat
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# [08:47] <BlocksBerg> 1598645
# [08:47] <BlocksBerg> 1111111
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# [08:47] <mxaos> seem being back to '90s :)
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# [08:47] <mxaos> ok c u soon bye
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# [08:47] <arkhi> bye mxaos
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# [08:48] <Emily_> this is nice
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# [08:48] <iwihuj> hi
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# [08:49] <FR_> ???
# [08:49] <FR_> TW
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# [08:51] <johanderowan> i want to contribute to webplatform, but i'm not sure where to put my content (tutorials)
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# [08:52] <johanderowan> for example, i have this tutorial on how to implement a google map with directions... can i put it in the docs, and if so: where?
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# [08:52] <arkhi> Hi johanderowan
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# [08:52] <johanderowan> hi :)
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# [08:52] <arkhi> You might be willing to look at the topic of the chan
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# [08:53] <arkhi> I think what you�re looking for is there.
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# [08:53] <arkhi> But maybe you can have a look at this as well: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started
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# [08:54] <Richard_Ainz> put it under media queries
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# [08:54] <johanderowan> i'll check it out, thanks
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# [08:56] <Jahlom> Can you use web-socket to communicate with a database? I want an alternative to the sever scripting languages like ASP PHP Ruby Python and the others
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# [08:58] <horse_ebooks> https://soundcloud.com/sneakyness/rough_20th_operater1_disaster
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# [09:01] <qwert54321> hi
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# [09:03] <holo> ????
# [09:03] <holo> web socket?
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# [09:03] <_cheney> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/WebSockets
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# [09:04] <lopopo> ????
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# [09:07] <arkhi> lopopo: As the topic says, please use English in this chan.
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# [09:12] <td> wow
# [09:12] <td> hi
# [09:13] <Richard_Ainz> hi
# [09:13] <td> nice work
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# [09:13] <Richard_Ainz> wouldnt know, I am n00b here
# [09:13] <td> who did it?
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# [09:14] <Richard_Ainz> out of curiosity, did what, td?
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# [09:18] <astropirate_> Is this freenode's troll centeral
# [09:18] <astropirate_> lol
# [09:18] <astropirate_> all i've seen for the past two days
# [09:18] <astropirate_> is peple coming here saying high
# [09:18] <astropirate_> hi*
# [09:18] <astropirate_> and then slapping each other with trouts :S
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# [09:19] <k2> hii
# [09:19] <ctoveloz[BR]> astropirate_, hi
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# [09:19] <k2> may I know wer ur from
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# [09:20] <ctoveloz[BR]> i iam from brazil
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# [09:20] <astropirate_> Afghanistan
# [09:20] <arkhi> China
# [09:20] <MaSTeRx> Lithuania
# [09:21] <arkhi> If you imply the country of residence and not the country where one�s born. :)
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# [09:21] <geroinfo> Rep�blica Dominicana
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# [09:22] <StikMan> Moldova republic
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# [09:22] <ctoveloz[BR]> arkhi, ... live argentina
# [09:22] <astropirate_> The dark side of the moon
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# [09:25] <Hoang_Minh_Hai> hay nhi
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# [09:25] <orcx> hi
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# [09:26] <orcx> say smt
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# [09:27] <ky> hi
# [09:28] <baotm> hello
# [09:28] <JakeA> Feature request: Put WPD in search results or urls
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# [09:28] <JakeA> I often google for "mdn gradients" for example, would be great to be able to do "wpd gradients"
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# [09:29] <clau> hola
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# [09:29] <ctoveloz[BR]> hola
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# [09:31] <Richard_Ainz> hola
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# [09:32] <ikr_> Aloha
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# [09:32] <Richard_Ainz> whaaa, no trouts?
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# [09:35] <jji> hello
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# [09:36] <Sandkorn> Good morning!
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# [09:36] <arkhi> Good afternoon Sandkorn. :p
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# [09:36] <Sandkorn> :D
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# [09:37] <hinfra> hello?
# [09:37] <Grephix> hi.
# [09:37] <hinfra> amazing initiative
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# [09:38] <Grephix> iknowrite :>
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# [09:39] <WhoKnows> Good morning! :)
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# [09:39] <Richard_Ainz__> so got it up via Trillian instead of web, better
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# [09:42] <Aboebakr> hello everyone
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# [09:43] <WhoKnows> For a starting community there are a lot of people in this room! Im impressed,
# [09:43] <WhoKnows> cant wait to see what this site will become in time :)
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# [09:43] <Richard_Ainz__> well, if some were to actually talk, we might progress a bit
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# [09:43] <David_Blaine> ????? ??????????
# [09:44] <Richard_Ainz__> English please
# [09:44] <WhoKnows> haha, thats true! But i assume everyone is still working on some parts of the site
# [09:44] <Grephix> [09:38:15] <WhoKnows> haha, thats true! But i assume everyone is still working on some parts of the site
# [09:44] <iaebusobak> But what about russian?
# [09:44] <Richard_Ainz__> I am not. I am just interested in this and messing around with my irc settings
# [09:44] <Grephix> Or just here to idle, like the majority of IRC.
# [09:45] <David_Blaine> english not true language
# [09:45] <WhoKnows> Ahh, fine, there is a chance of that too.
# [09:45] <Richard_Ainz__> David, ok, but English goes here, sorry
# [09:45] <WhoKnows> what kind of irc settings are you messing with? (i didnt use it a lot in the past)
# [09:45] <WhoKnows> are there fun options to explore?
# [09:45] <Richard_Ainz__> lol, neither did I, I set it up via my regular chat software, Trillian
# [09:46] <_WiZZarD> And there I am, thinking IRC is for idling only
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# [09:46] <Grephix> _WiZZarD: apparently we are supposed to..
# [09:46] <Grephix> *shrugs*
# [09:46] <Richard_Ainz__> it is a communicating tool, but i may be mistaken
# [09:46] <WhoKnows> Slowly people are waking up,, now there are already 4 people alive!
# [09:46] <Grephix> socialize
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# [09:46] <_WiZZarD> soci*what?
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# [09:46] <Richard_Ainz__> you know, facebook junkies
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# [09:47] <Grephix> _WiZZarD: not a clue.
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# [09:47] <_WiZZarD> next you tell me its about meeting new people and having fun together, doing things etc.
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# [09:47] <lorem> <script>alert(tutu)</script>
# [09:47] <Grephix> Talking about interests
# [09:47] <Grephix> etc
# [09:47] <Grephix> lorem: oh wow, nice.
# [09:47] <_WiZZarD> scary
# [09:47] <Grephix> _WiZZarD: I guess I should stop using a bouncer then
# [09:47] <David_Blaine> lorem. XSS?)
# [09:47] <Grephix> as that gives people the impression I am actually here 24/7
# [09:47] <_WiZZarD> hehe
# [09:47] <WhoKnows> thats a good thing mate,
# [09:48] <_WiZZarD> count me in on that as well ;)
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# [09:48] <WhoKnows> people will respect you!
# [09:48] <Grephix> David_Blaine: and a bad attempt at it as well
# [09:48] <Richard_Ainz__> lol, answering question 24/7 as well then?
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# [09:48] <Grephix> variable tutu was not set :(
# [09:48] <WhoKnows> of course!
# [09:48] <_WiZZarD> not a 'real' bouncer though, just a nifty client :)
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# [09:48] <Grephix> Richard_Ainz__: as long as it's a PM with 'are you active right now': yes I will
# [09:48] <Grephix> as my bouncer reacts with 'not here right now' or something along that line
# [09:48] <Grephix> :+
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# [09:49] <Munter> I thought everyone was running in screen or using a bouncer
# [09:49] <Richard_Ainz__> well, gonna have to talk to some russian friends about a project, talk to you later,if you want some, poke me
# [09:49] <WhoKnows> have fun!
# [09:50] <Grephix> cya mate
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# [09:50] <Grephix> Munter: apparently not
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# [09:50] <Munter> irssi in screen. Perfect combo
# [09:50] <Grephix> true that
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# [09:51] * _WiZZarD sticks to quassel
# [09:51] <WhoKnows> Lets see
# [09:51] <WhoKnows> opinion:
# [09:51] <Grephix> though, I'm running mIRC
# [09:51] <WhoKnows> what is the most interesting function/method/tag/whatever in HTML5 or CSS3?
# [09:51] <Munter> That thing still lives?
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# [09:51] <hooloovoo> WhoKnows: Canvas?
# [09:51] <Grephix> Munter: yea, apparently
# [09:51] <_WiZZarD> define thing Munter, u mean quassel or mIRC?
# [09:52] <Munter> _WiZZarD: mIRC. Never heard og quassel before
# [09:52] <Munter> s/og/of
# [09:52] <_WiZZarD> ah
# [09:52] <Grephix> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/50377664/screenshots/3a99982639e0e713d2f5d63c62d5a307.png
# [09:52] <_WiZZarD> havent used mIRC in ages :)
# [09:52] <Munter> Just got a flashback from the 90's :)
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# [09:53] <ehsan_> hi
# [09:53] <Grephix> I bought myself a license once and descided not letting that go to waste :>
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# [09:53] <DongGyu> asdf
# [09:53] <Munter> WhoKnows: Most interesting tag: object. It has been there for years, yet people have no clue how to use it
# [09:53] <_WiZZarD> Munter: quote from their site: "Quassel IRC is a modern, cross-platform, distributed IRC client, meaning that one (or multiple) client(s) can attach to and detach from a central core."
# [09:53] <_WiZZarD> easiest way to describe ;)
# [09:53] <Lifesnoozer_> I've never seen anyone who's bought mIRC before
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# [09:54] <David_Blaine> how to hide bot message ?
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# [09:54] <David_Blaine> bot spam
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# [09:55] <WhoKnows> pretty much
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# [09:56] <jech> hello
# [09:56] <Hajdari> hello
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# [09:56] <Hajdari> hello
# [09:56] <jech> hi
# [09:56] <WhoKnows> Good morning!
# [09:56] <Munter> David_Blaine: /ignore
# [09:56] <ttesssta> irc will never die, i guess
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# [09:56] <jech> test
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# [09:58] <white> hello
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# [09:58] <Pooya> microsoft, please fuck IE7, if not, I'll fuck it :@
# [09:58] <ca_> test
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# [09:59] <WhoKnows> i wonder....
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# [09:59] <Pooya> I have a big cock and your ie will have a huge hole in center of it :@
# [09:59] <WhoKnows> isnt there a tool where you can load your localhost, and the tool will let you view the website in multiple browsers?
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# [10:00] <David_Blaine> Pooya, IE is not browser xDD
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# [10:00] <WhoKnows> because i noticed that there are small differences when you put IE 9 in a former version, or just use the former version\
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# [10:01] <WhoKnows> someone know if there is a tool like that? afk's? :)
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# [10:01] <Tarakan> Hi
# [10:01] <WhoKnows> hey
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# [10:01] <Tarakan> ????? ???? ???????
# [10:01] <WhoKnows> im being ignored lol, ill be back when its a bit more lively in here! :)
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# [10:01] <sahok> ?????? ????
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# [10:02] <Pooya> hi all
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# [10:02] <Pooya> check my out on www,1pooya.me
# [10:02] <David_Blaine> ???????????? :)
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# [10:02] <Pooya> www.1pooya.me
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# [10:03] <_WiZZarD> English plz
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# [10:03] <_8976906> ??????
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# [10:03] <_8976906> ???????
# [10:03] <rajan> hello is there some one?
# [10:04] <_8976906> yes
# [10:04] <JohnQ> hi everyone
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# [10:04] <_8976906> i em russia
# [10:04] <rajan> may i know to whom i chating?
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# [10:04] <_WiZZarD> random people most likely ;)
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# [10:06] <rajan_> hello
# [10:06] <rajan_> @divya
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# [10:06] <David_Blaine> Allah Akbar
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# [10:07] <rajan_> hello
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# [10:07] <rajan_> can anyone help me?
# [10:07] <Grephix> rajan_: just ask the question mate
# [10:07] <rajan_> thanks
# [10:07] <mstalfoort> rajan, where can we help you with
# [10:07] <rajan_> i am new in this community
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# [10:08] <Grephix> ok.
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# [10:08] <mstalfoort> rajan, you're not the only one ;)
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# [10:08] <_WiZZarD> new community means mostly new people ;)
# [10:08] <rajan_> ok thanks
# [10:08] <Grephix> :>
# [10:08] <rajan_> can you tell me what acjeatly this websites do?
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# [10:08] <ognus> hello
# [10:09] <Grephix> inform and educate
# [10:09] <berm0o0da> hi I who is familar with jqGrid?
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# [10:09] <mstalfoort> berm0o0da, i think you have to switch to #jquery channel
# [10:09] <ognus> very interesting project... are you guys planning to create wikipedia for web dev standards :)?
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# [10:10] <David_Blaine> This site only English localization, discrimination
# [10:10] <mstalfoort> ognus, it already is ;)
# [10:10] <Grephix> ognus: that's more or less the idea
# [10:10] <Grephix> David_Blaine: discrimination?
# [10:10] <berm0o0da> ok thanks
# [10:10] <Grephix> And why is that mate?
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# [10:10] <Grephix> You expect everyone to speak every single language?
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# [10:10] <Grephix> English is simply the most widespread.
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# [10:11] <mstalfoort> Grephix, english is primary, there are plans of adding more language
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# [10:11] <mstalfoort> s
# [10:11] <David_Blaine> more language skill :)
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# [10:12] <Grephix> mstalfoort: I know. Choosing for english as primary however is far from discrimination, however.
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# [10:12] <ognus1> sorry... poor internet connection :)
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# [10:13] <Wanpeng> i just want to say "vertical-align" is not good as it can be
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# [10:14] <Jajay> do you talk about the specification or about any of the implementations out there?
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# [10:14] <alfha> what happening
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# [10:17] <DevZone> this chat used WebSocket ?
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# [10:18] <sz0ka> Hey guys
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# [10:20] <Jajay> test
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# [10:21] <Jajay> no web socket. it seem to use "normal" http methods
# [10:21] <Jajay> probably with ajax
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# [10:22] <_WiZZarD> its qweb irc
# [10:22] <Lifesnoozer> Pretty sure it's a java thing
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# [10:22] <_WiZZarD> javascript clientside
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# [10:22] <_WiZZarD> compiled stuff serverside
# [10:22] <_WiZZarD> oslt
# [10:23] <katxoupi> hi buddies
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# [10:25] <arkhi> Hello dontcallmedom
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# [10:25] <dontcallmedom> hello arkhi!
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# [10:28] <Jajay> has anybody tried b2g yet?
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# [10:29] <Mohamad> hi
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# [10:31] <CharliePrynn> Hello
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# [10:32] <INKERS> hi
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# [10:32] <INKERS> <b>=)</b>
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# [10:33] <heyheyhey> hello
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# [10:33] <INKERS> what is this?
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# [10:33] <heyheyhey> chat
# [10:33] <INKERS> i know
# [10:33] <Grephix> :')
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# [10:33] <INKERS> im about site
# [10:33] <heyheyhey> webplatform?
# [10:33] <INKERS> y
# [10:33] <heyheyhey> Mm...
# [10:34] <Eminos> paul irish is my idol :)
# [10:34] <StomCube> asdfg
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# [10:34] <heyheyhey> school work web page maybe..
# [10:34] <INKERS> discussion about standards?
# [10:34] <arkhi> INKERS: �aims to become a comprehensive and authoritative source for web developer documentation.�
# [10:35] <StomCube> what would be the best way to align a image in the center ?
# [10:35] <StomCube> *an image
# [10:35] <INKERS> or a site where companies can measure themselves
# [10:35] <heyheyhey> use css
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# [10:37] <oh> slm
# [10:37] <CharliePrynn> @INKERS http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page
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# [10:37] <arkhi> I don�t mind that companies measure themselves if it�s beneficial to the community.
# [10:37] <arkhi> In that case, I suppose they all put a lot of efforts into this; gathering all those informations in one place is a quite big challenge.
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# [10:38] <kornekeN> hi
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# [10:38] <kornekeN> @shepazu I've got question.
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# [10:39] <kornekeN> @shepazu http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/1319/webplatform-users-become-aware-learning-attack-defend-against and will WebPlatform have official fanpage's on Facebook and Google+ ?
# [10:39] <zupa> sup?
# [10:39] <DevZone> ZFS v28 for OS X Mountain Lion = http://zalil.ru/33837053
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# [10:40] <Grephix> with what, pampkin?
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# [10:41] <donovanh> Is there an about page or similar? I'm struggling to understand what this is.
# [10:41] <Grephix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug6XAw6hzaw&feature=player_embedded
# [10:41] <Grephix> The introduction video
# [10:41] <Grephix> Ought to give you some insight
# [10:41] <ognus1> i have a question, would like to contribute a little to docs... is it OK to copy material from http://www.w3.org/TR/?
# [10:42] <mstalfoort> donovanh, check this http://blog.webplatform.org/
# [10:42] <donovanh> Cool thanks!
# [10:42] <mstalfoort> donovanh, ..and this https://developers.google.com/live/shows/ahNzfmdvb2dsZS1kZXZlbG9wZXJzcg4LEgVFdmVudBiomqIEDA/
# [10:42] <arkhi> donovanh: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started#Tasks
# [10:43] <Grephix> ognus1: http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/ipr-notice-20021231
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# [10:44] <ognus1> Grephix: thanks
# [10:44] <donovanh> Nice. I'm liking this. Will poke around and see if I can contribute.
# [10:44] <mstalfoort> donovanh, yay
# [10:44] <Grephix> cool donovanh
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# [10:45] <Jaspio> Greetings all
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# [10:46] <Sandkorn> btw. what type of license is the imported stuff? Are we supposed to "rewrite" that stuff as well?
# [10:46] <Grephix> Sandkorn: imported stuff?
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# [10:46] <rajan> hello
# [10:46] <Sandkorn> MSDN / MDN imports for example
# [10:46] <DevZone> Grephix, please add translate to other language mediawiki
# [10:46] <rajan> can anyone tell me which is the best payments api
# [10:46] <Grephix> You are allowed to rewrite anything on which you think you can do a better job.
# [10:47] <Grephix> rajan: you honestly think this is the best place for that question? ;)
# [10:47] <Grephix> Depends on your needs and budget as well.
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# [10:47] <Grephix> DevZone: as mstalfoort stated beautifully earlier today:
# [10:48] <Grephix> <mstalfoort> english is primary, there are plans of adding more language
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# [10:48] <AshKyd> Hi all. The "Data Type" field on the wiki only has "string", "number" and "DOM node" as options. How can we go about getting "object" added? Or am I missing something.
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# [10:48] <fatih> hi guys
# [10:48] <jepetko> hi guys ;-)
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# [10:48] <AshKyd> I guess "function" would be useful too.
# [10:48] <Grephix> hi jepetko
# [10:48] <jepetko> hi Grephix.
# [10:48] <jepetko> nice platform
# [10:48] <Sandkorn> if i get it right, we're supposed to get rid of most of the CC-BY-SA stuff, yet there seems to be imported stuff with that license (css propertie pages as example)
# [10:48] <Grephix> agread ;)
# [10:49] <DevZone> hi yandex team
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# [10:50] <dariush> Hello guys :)
# [10:50] <Jaspio> hi @dariush
# [10:51] <dariush> I wanna learn css3 can any one help me?
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# [10:52] <arkhi> dariush: That�s a pretty huge topic� Did you look at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css ?
# [10:52] <Grephix> dariush: you might try #css
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# [10:53] <dariush> I know CSS and a little css3 but i want learn advanced
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# [10:55] <ognus1> Grephix: based on http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-documents-20021231 you have to link back to w3 docs when copying content... but for example the pag http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/CSS/Selectors/universal_selectore doesn't do it... what should i do :)?
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# [10:55] <abhi_> :)
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# [10:56] <abhi_> good aftrnoon everyone
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# [10:57] <Grephix> ognus1: it's mostly a good habbit to link back whenever using text from a different source
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# [10:57] <Grephix> Better save than sorry
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# [10:57] <kk_> ..hah ?
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# [10:58] <swain> Howdy.
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# [10:58] <Grephix> However, in this specific situation I'm not sure, as webplatform is an iniative of w3c, ognus1
# [10:58] <Grephix> hi swain
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# [10:58] <swain> What's up everybody?
# [10:59] <Grephix> nm
# [11:00] <ognus1> Grephix: yeap, thanks... tricky with w3c...
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# [11:00] <Grephix> ognus1: yea. I'd recommend linking back in this case. Can't hurt :)
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# [11:01] <test> wow I didn't actually expect people to really be herec hatting
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# [11:01] <swain> Hm... Anybody know's a good IRC client for mac?
# [11:01] <test> hmm
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# [11:01] <swain> Since the lack of colors in this web version is driving me nuts. :D
# [11:02] <test> I haven't used IRC in more than 10 years
# [11:02] <pzich> irssi
# [11:02] <twat> think it was called xirc
# [11:02] <Grephix> lack of colors, swain? ;)
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# [11:02] <test> truth be told I'm totally baffled that people still use IRC
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# [11:02] <ognus1> Grephix: ok, thanks:)
# [11:02] <Grephix> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/50377664/screenshots/83419146271aa31c9b70c107274887b3.png < how's that for a lack of colors
# [11:02] <_WiZZarD> lack of colours is usually a indication of a good irc client imho ;)
# [11:02] <Grephix> also: i've heard good things about Colloquy
# [11:02] <Grephix> No experience though
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# [11:03] <pzich> I know x-chat and Snak are popular on OS X, but I've not used either
# [11:03] <si-m1> test: stuff that just works usually stick around
# [11:03] <swain> Colloquy, I've used that, a few years ago. :o I think I'll go back to that. Thanks guys.
# [11:03] <test> true
# [11:03] <Grephix> I'm still waiting for my Macbook Pro to be delivered
# [11:03] <pzich> ah yeah, Colloquy
# [11:03] <Grephix> I'll be able to give you some pointers after that ;)
# [11:03] <test> do people sitll use it for what they used it years ago? (to download files)
# [11:03] <pzich> Grephix: of the retina variety?
# [11:03] <Grephix> yeap
# [11:04] <Grephix> budget allowed it
# [11:04] <pzich> nice, I'm on one of those right now
# [11:04] <twat> yep people use irc to download
# [11:04] <test> I remember it was kinda like dos or unix in that you could use commands and download files from people
# [11:04] <swain> So, where's everybody from?
# [11:04] <si-m1> test: think it's mostly used for open source projects and gaming now
# [11:04] <Grephix> shame everything is glued on the board or otherwise unable to be upgraded though, pzich
# [11:04] <test> crazy
# [11:04] <test> lol
# [11:04] <twat> also check out dc++
# [11:04] <Grephix> test: you are on IRC right now :>
# [11:04] <test> I used to use MIRC to get mp3s back then
# [11:04] <Grephix> < running mIRC right now
# [11:04] <test> it was the best place for that until napster and those apps came out
# [11:05] <Grephix> once bought a license, never stopped using it
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# [11:05] <pzich> well, SSD is upgradeable, everything else I don't imagine being much more upgradeable without a new mobo anyway
# [11:05] <Grephix> pzich: memory?
# [11:05] <pzich> did you not go 16?
# [11:05] <Grephix> Also: SSD is upgradeable, by apple
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# [11:05] <test> I just hope these chats don't turn into crappy fanboy cliques like at stack overflow
# [11:05] <pzich> there are third party vendors working on it
# [11:05] <Grephix> You are not able to upgrade the SSD yourselve :<
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# [11:05] <pzich> I think some are about ready
# [11:05] <Grephix> True that
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# [11:05] <Grephix> Though I'd rather do it myself
# [11:05] <Grephix> AFAIK its not a regular SSD anymore
# [11:05] <Stas_> Hm
# [11:06] <Grephix> so not all SSDs will fit
# [11:06] <pzich> well, it isn't in the airs either, but there are third party vendors for that
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# [11:06] <Grephix> also, no, I went for 8GB mem
# [11:06] <pzich> http://www.techpowerup.com/170508/OWC-Announces-Mercury-Aura-Pro-First-SSD-Upgrade-for-MacBook-Pro-with-Retina-Display.html
# [11:06] <Grephix> true that
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# [11:08] <___asa> hi there
# [11:08] <Vardan> Hello
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# [11:11] <zwagng9> what?
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# [11:12] <ognus1> swain: Poland, currently based in New Zealand
# [11:12] <swain> Nice! New Zealand is on my 'definitely need to visit country' list. :)
# [11:12] <swain> I mean
# [11:12] <swain> Middle Earth.
# [11:12] <swain> not New Zealand
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# [11:13] <ognus1> hehe yeah middle earth :) its really nice country... not only for Tolkien fans :)
# [11:14] <swain> I know. :)
# [11:14] <swain> Well
# [11:14] <ognus1> great sceneries
# [11:14] <swain> I mean, I think I know. ;) Myself I'm a dutchy, based in Germany.
# [11:14] <swain> And 21 years old./
# [11:14] <ix14n> zomg. irc.
# [11:14] <ognus1> nice
# [11:15] <ognus1> bean few times in Germany :)
# [11:15] <ognus1> been
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# [11:15] <Grephix> swain: a dutchy in Germany ey?
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# [11:15] <Grephix> Nice
# [11:15] <Grephix> In Germany for business?
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# [11:15] <James> Hello
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# [11:16] <swain> No, living there now for a yet unknown period of time. Moved here for love. ;)
# [11:16] <mynameisozz> hi all o/
# [11:16] <swain> Hello James.
# [11:16] <Guest6612> Hello Swain
# [11:16] <Guest6612> Are there are official W3C tools to validate my webpages ?
# [11:16] <JakeA> a/s/l
# [11:17] <arkhi> swain: Good reason to move. :)
# [11:17] <swain> Haha, would say so. Next week a year together.
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# [11:17] <swain> So far pretty successful. 2 months ago finished school. Now freelancing. :)
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# [11:17] <Guest6612> Guys, little help here
# [11:17] <As4xk> Guest6612: http://validator.w3.org/
# [11:17] <lol_> hi people
# [11:18] <Guest6612> I am looking for an offline tool, preferably a browser extension
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# [11:18] <swain> Guest6612: What browser?
# [11:18] <Guest6612> Fireox
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# [11:19] <swain> Guest6612: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/offline-page-validator/
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# [11:19] <sandroid> morning everyone
# [11:19] <Guest6612> That extension will connect to W3C, is there something that can be done offline?
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# [11:20] <arkhi> Guest6612: http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/
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# [11:20] <As4xk> Guest6612: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML_Tidy
# [11:20] <arkhi> This should help you…
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# [11:20] <Guest6612> Great, will try those two
# [11:21] <Guest6612> Also, does any one know where I can find the skin of the mediawiki used by this site?
# [11:21] <swain> Morning sandroid
# [11:21] <Guest6612> webplatform.org
# [11:21] <Grephix> I'm guessing its custom build, Guest6612
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# [11:22] <Guest6612> Well, since its opensource, I believe it should be made available to public
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# [11:22] <arkhi> Guest6612: It is, you just need to check the source.
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# [11:23] <Guest6612> where can find the source arkhi
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# [11:23] <Grephix> Guest6612: right click > view source? ;-)
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# [11:24] <chrismills> Morning all
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# [11:24] <Grephix> lo chrismills
# [11:24] <Guest6612> I am looking for the mediawiki template used by this site, not the source of this webpage
# [11:24] <B4el> hi all
# [11:24] <Grephix> Guest6612: I am guessing it's not available for download mate.
# [11:24] <B4el> are there somebody from russia?
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# [11:25] <B4el> I need help, but my english isn't very well
# [11:25] <RazdoR> Yes. I'm from Russia
# [11:25] <Grephix> B4el: it's an english only channel mate
# [11:25] <B4el> проверка
# [11:25] <arkhi> Does it say anywhere on webplatform.org that it’s open source, by the way?
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# [11:25] <Grephix> Give it a try ;)
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# [11:26] <B4el> ok
# [11:26] <Guest6612> No, I am just asuming it is. Is it not?
# [11:26] <swain> I don't think so.
# [11:26] <swain> The content is.
# [11:26] <arkhi> Why would it be? :)
# [11:26] <Grephix> Guest6612: the source ís open, is it not?
# [11:26] <chrismills> arkhi: I don't think so. Mabye we ought to say that in the FAQ
# [11:26] <chrismills> Maybe*
# [11:26] <swain> @ChanServ Hello
# [11:26] <swain> Hm.
# [11:26] <swain> :P
# [11:26] <B4el> voobshem servak lomanuli (somedody hack my website)
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# [11:26] <Guest6612> So, are you saying webplatform.org is not open source?
# [11:27] <_WiZZarD> does it have to be?
# [11:27] <chrismills> Guest6612: No - it is. It's built on open source products
# [11:27] <RazdoR> lol
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# [11:27] <chrismills> But that's not a major selling feature ion our eyes
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# [11:27] <chrismills> in*
# [11:27] <tom_> ting
# [11:27] <chrismills> lol - it's free anyway, but you know what I mean ;-)
# [11:27] <Sandkorn> http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/99/is-webplatform-org-code-open
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# [11:28] <B4el> Does DLE 9.6 have some exploit?
# [11:28] <swain> Too bad the /slap command doesn't seem to work.
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# [11:28] <swain> Ah :P
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# [11:29] <eke> hey guys
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# [11:29] <Guest6612> Yes, you are right. Its built on open source products.
# [11:29] <swain> Hey eke
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# [11:29] <Grephix> lol swain
# [11:29] <Grephix> n1
# [11:29] <Guest6612> I would really love to have the skin used the mediawiki on this site
# [11:30] <chrismills> Sandkorn: we are planning to open up the code used for the skin, etc., too, probably on github, but that's a low priority thing right now, with al the immediate server bugs to sort out ;-)
# [11:30] <chrismills> It's in the queue ;-)
# [11:30] <RazdoR> habrahabr
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# [11:31] <Guest6612> Great, that would be helpful, Chrismills
# [11:31] <Guest6612> I am assuming you are one of the admins here
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# [11:31] <B4el> Hm, where i can read about "how do microsoft MetroUI web site at home?"
# [11:32] <chrismills> Guest6612 - I work for Opera, who are one of the stewards; I'm basically their representative on webplatform. Short answer: yes ;-)
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# [11:33] <Guest6612> That's great. Since you've been very helpful, Is there any way I can contact you personally. I have a few questions about validation, which would take long to post here.
# [11:33] <RazdoR> B4el, http://www.stephanemassey.com/metro-design-principles/
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# [11:34] <B4el> RazdoR, thanks
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# [11:35] <dharani> actually i want to build reader app in html 5
# [11:35] <dharani> can i ger any help
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# [11:35] <Grephix> dharani: join #html5
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# [11:36] <bertolottipf> www.bertolottipf.it what do you thik about it?
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# [11:37] <@paul_irish> chrismills: can you register your nick on freenode
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# [11:38] <@paul_irish> /ns help register
# [11:38] <Guest6612> I don't know if this is the right place to ask this question, but whenever I use facebook plugins on my site, the page doesn't get validated. I know its a common problem, but is there a solution for it?
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# [11:39] <Guest6612> Also, what validation software do you use to validate your webpages
# [11:39] <chrismills> Guest6612: did you get my private message sending you my e-mail so you can ask me? ;-)
# [11:39] <Guest6612> I did not get the message
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# [11:39] <Guest6612> I never used IRC and right now I am using the one on webplatform.org
# [11:39] <chrismills> paul_irish: cheers Paul. When I type that in, all the help message comes up in growl notification windows, which is not very helpful ;-)
# [11:39] <nanick> Türk yok mu aranız da?
# [11:40] <chrismills> Guest6612: ah, ok - sorry about that!
# [11:40] <swain> paul_irish: Thanks for being who/what you are btw. ;)
# [11:40] <Guest6612> can i post my email address here?
# [11:40] <@paul_irish> <3z
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# [11:40] <chrismills> paul_irish: I'll get it sorted in a minute
# [11:40] <Grephix> chrismills: /msg NickServ REGISTER bar foo@bar.com
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# [11:40] <@paul_irish> chrismills: ok
# [11:40] <@paul_irish> also that ^
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# [11:41] <chrismills> Guest6612: it would be better if you download an IRC client to use - way better than using the web version
# [11:41] <chrismills> what Os are you on?
# [11:41] <tobie> Guest6612: or give irccloud.com a spin. It's really good.
# [11:41] <nanick> Türk yok mu aranız da?
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# [11:41] <Guest6612> I will try
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# [11:42] <chrismills> Guest6612: for the validation question - I use http://html5.validator.nu/ to validate my sites
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# [11:42] <chrismills> Guest6612: and yes, a lot of 3rd part plugins and stuff do tend to wreck your validation. This is one bad thing about using them
# [11:42] <swain> Where can I find the connection settings for the chat so I can get it on my Colloquy?
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# [11:43] <alquhait> hey
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# [11:43] <Guest6612> chrismills: can you send me your email address to castor_t @ ymail dot com
# [11:43] <alquhait> how r u guys?
# [11:43] <Grephix> swain
# [11:43] <Grephix> connect to one of following servers: http://www.freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml
# [11:43] <As4xk> swain: freenode #webplatform
# [11:43] <Grephix> does not matter which one
# [11:43] <chrismills> Guest6612: But as long as the site works well and follows best practice, it doesn't matter if you have a few validation errors. Validation is a useful tool for debugging code, but it is not an absolute
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# [11:43] <Grephix> and join #webplatform
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# [11:44] <chrismills> Guest6612: done
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# [11:44] <Guest6612> Thank you Very much
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# [11:45] <Guest6612> I got to run now.. Thanks all for your help...
# [11:45] <chrismills> Guest6612: bye!
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# [11:46] <swain_> Ha.
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# [11:46] <Guest6612> One last question, which software do you use to connect ot IRC. So that I can use it the next time I'm here
# [11:46] <swain> So, that worked. :)
# [11:46] <Guest6612> I am new to IRC :)
# [11:46] <kranius> hello #webplatform
# [11:46] <As4xk> Guest6612: which OS?
# [11:46] <Guest6612> Windows
# [11:47] <arkhi> Guest6612: Pidgin works on anything
# [11:47] <Guest6612> Do I have to signup for a user name or something?
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# [11:47] <deneme> hi guys
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# [11:47] <swain> Guest6612: Yes, you can do that
# [11:47] <arkhi> Guest6612: If you want to make sure nobody will use it, yes.
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# [11:47] <swain> Use /ns help REGISTER
# [11:48] <arkhi> elsehow just use what you like as nickname
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# [11:48] <swain> I believe.
# [11:48] <Guest6612> Thanks guys. It
# [11:48] <Guest6612> It's been fun. Have a good one.
# [11:48] <swain> Same to you
# [11:48] <arkhi> See you around
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# [11:48] <chrismills> Grephix paul_irish ok, I've just registered my nick. What do I do now? Does this allow me to properly become and admin, and stuff?
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# [11:48] <deneme> beyler okuyan bişey desin ?
# [11:48] <neom> hi
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# [11:49] <neom> okudum diorum
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# [11:49] <swain> Hey, why is my slap command not working? :o
# [11:49] <deneme> ne ayak buralar :D
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# [11:49] <@paul_irish> let's not slap in this channel, swain :)
# [11:49] <@paul_irish> be nice.
# [11:49] <arkhi> deneme: Please use English only. :)
# [11:49] <Grephix> chrismills: yea
# [11:49] <swain> Aww :( But /hug doesn't seem to work also paul_irish
# [11:50] <swain> ;)
# [11:50] <deneme> which foot are there ?
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# [11:50] <@paul_irish> chrismills: yup. you may have to /ns identify on reconnecting too
# [11:50] <Grephix> chrismills: channel admins will be enabled to hand out roles to your nick
# [11:50] <Chyvakoff> Hi
# [11:50] <@paul_irish> but you'll get auto-opped
# [11:50] <Chyvakoff> O_o
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# [11:50] <Grephix> chrismills: also: people are no longer able to use your nick, as it is registered
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# [11:50] <@chrismills> cool!
# [11:50] <yasser> wassap people !
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# [11:50] <Grephix> paul_irish: you might hand auto-op to my account as well
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# [11:50] <yasser> quit
# [11:50] <@chrismills> I am relatively inexperienced in using IRC too ;-)
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# [11:50] <swain> :D
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# [11:50] <@paul_irish> Grephix: once i know you better we can work that out :)
# [11:51] <@chrismills> paul_irish: what does "auto-opped" mean?
# [11:51] <Grephix> Hehe, no worries
# [11:51] <deneme> how i can use robo plus clearly ?
# [11:51] <@paul_irish> when you join the channel Chanserv will op you.
# [11:51] <sandroid> heh, i was suprised to actually see the webplatform use IRC .. sooo oldschool :) i like it
# [11:51] <swain> Grephix: You mysterious soul, who are you?
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# [11:51] <kranius> IRC is serious win
# [11:51] <Grephix> Define mysterious soul?
# [11:51] <Grephix> kranius: can't agree with you more :>
# [11:51] <Grephix> Way underrated.
# [11:51] <kranius> social before the web
# [11:51] <eschatonic> IRC seems a natural choice, but again I think this is a point where the stackexchange model works better.
# [11:51] <Grephix> It was cool before it was cool.
# [11:52] <kranius> :>
# [11:52] <@paul_irish> eschatonic: i think SO is better for support yes
# [11:52] <sandroid> i wonder how long until people start pulling up custom mirc scripts or similars in this chat :)
# [11:52] <eschatonic> The chat system there is an evolution of IRC
# [11:52] <Grephix> hehe
# [11:52] <Grephix> custom mirc scripts?
# [11:52] <@chrismills> I only started using IRC because it is only way you can actually get Opera core developers to talk to you ;-)
# [11:52] <sandroid> "bots"
# [11:52] <mstalfoort> chrismills, lol
# [11:53] <Grephix> kk
# [11:53] <Grephix> I was guessing something along the lines of
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# [11:53] <kranius> chrismills: good enough
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# [11:53] <swain> Grephix: Mysterious soul > Person that has a certain shade of mystery hanging around him/her.
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# [11:53] <Grephix> hehe
# [11:53] <Grephix> Just another webdeveloper mate :)
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# [11:53] <sandroid> irc has been a breeding ground for lots of wares channels back in the days before torrents and p2p networks
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# [11:53] <Grephix> 24 y/o living in the Netherlands
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# [11:54] <swain> Where in that little wet and cold country?
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# [11:54] <Grephix> sandroid: and as fas as I understand it still is
# [11:54] <swain> If I may ask.
# [11:54] <@paul_irish> swain: i'm all about Thrift Shop. so hard.
# [11:54] <_WiZZarD> Netherlands \o/
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# [11:54] <deneme> how i can learn software ?
# [11:54] <swain> paul_irish: Try also Wing$, amazing.
# [11:54] <sandroid> Grephix: i'm sure of it :) old habits die hard
# [11:54] <swain> :)
# [11:54] <swain> Or
# [11:54] <Grephix> swain: I live in Amersfoort and work in Hilversum
# [11:54] <swain> Same love
# [11:54] <@paul_irish> kay
# [11:54] <swain> First rap I heard that's positive about same sex love
# [11:54] <Grephix> deneme: 'learn software'?
# [11:54] <Grephix> Define software? :++
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# [11:55] <swain> Grephix: Work perhaps for the NOS?
# [11:55] <sandroid> software: piece of spagetti code that runs in a loop and eventually crashes :P
# [11:55] <Grephix> swain: nope
# [11:55] <deneme> like robo+or c++ ..
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# [11:55] <_WiZZarD> lol
# [11:55] <Grephix> Atm I find myself working for a small Internet Bureau
# [11:55] <swain> Grephix: Ah, okay, would've been a lucky guess. :P
# [11:55] <Grephix> Hehe
# [11:55] <AntonioK> Hi everyone
# [11:56] <deneme> hi
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# [11:56] <mstalfoort> which one Grephix ?
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# [11:57] <swain> Is it just me or does every developer has this moments that he/she says to himself/herself "God, I'm brilliant."
# [11:57] <Grephix> Websight, mstalfoort
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# [11:57] <swain> And than, 2 seconds later you wish you didn't say it?
# [11:57] <swain> :P
# [11:57] <sandroid> absolutely :)
# [11:57] <Grephix> Rofl
# [11:57] <Grephix> yea
# [11:57] <mstalfoort> aha, know that one ;)
# [11:57] <Grephix> srsly?
# [11:57] <_WiZZarD> swain: its easier to keep a recording of that sentence, and just loop it all day
# [11:58] <As4xk> Hakuna matata
# [11:58] <Grephix> What from, mstalfoort? :)
# [11:58] <sandroid> what a wondeful day
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# [11:58] <arkhi> As4xk: Jambo
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# [11:58] <aw> HI!
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# [11:59] <aw> dsafdsf
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# [11:59] <mstalfoort> Grephix, know one of the original founders (S.Reijn)
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# [11:59] <swain> _WiZZarD: So true. :)
# [11:59] <Grephix> Ah, Sander
# [11:59] <Grephix> Way before my time :)
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# [12:00] <ae> hi
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# [12:00] <@chrismills> hey there ae
# [12:00] <eschatonic> So, are there any plans to separate out the forum into multiple sections, or at least enforce category tagging?
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# [12:01] <@chrismills> eschatonic: that's a good idea. I'll add it to the to do list
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# [12:01] <alexfl> hi!
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# [12:02] <alexcl> wtf bugs connect?
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# [12:02] <eschatonic> chrismills: hopefully it will make the chaos slightly more manageable
# [12:02] <swain> chrismills: How long is that to-do list as I might ask? :P
# [12:03] <swain> if*
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# [12:03] <sandroid> hm.. you know what would be fun as well .. if the whole points system would have an api so that a custom bot in the channel could give out points for stuff answered in here :)
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# [12:03] <@chrismills> swain: Ummmm, VERY ;-)
# [12:03] <swain> Was afraid for that answer.
# [12:03] <@chrismills> sandroid: that is a cool idea
# [12:04] <eschatonic> Also, would it be helpful to start producing a list of suggested design/typography/usability changes?
# [12:04] <eschatonic> I know they're likely to be waaay down the priority list
# [12:04] <As4xk> Are webplatform not planning to contain information about php, asp, jsp, etc?
# [12:04] <@chrismills> eschatonic: sure. If you have a lot of ideas, the best way to log them is just to fie bugs, at https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org
# [12:05] <sandroid> chrismills: well if you want any help with that, i'll be lurking around here anyway :) running irc on my dedicated box all day :)
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# [12:05] <arkhi> time to go… Have fun!
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# [12:06] <Castor_T> Hi guys, I am back. Just installed an IRC client.
# [12:06] <Castor_T> I am glad to see webplatform, a platform for the community :)
# [12:06] <@chrismills> As4xk: we are planning on including some introductory material on server-side topics, and then linking to more detailed references elsewhere. Our remit is client-side technologies, and we want to stick to this mostly. If we tried to cover all the server-side stuff as well, the site would just be unmanageable. Covering all the client side stuff in detail is ambitious as it is!
# [12:07] <deneme> admin de var mı bu sitede ? :)
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# [12:07] <Castor_T> Since facebook is a steward of webplatform, aren't they supposed to designed plugins which are don't break the html code when validating?
# [12:07] <Grephix> Heh Castor_T: good point
# [12:07] <@chrismills> Castor_T hello again ;-)
# [12:08] <Castor_T> Thanks Chris. I am just getting the hang of using IRC
# [12:08] <@chrismills> Castor_T: It is often difficult, especially when doing stuff with Flash, and DHTML
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# [12:08] <deneme> =bi dahha
# [12:08] <@chrismills> I wouldn't beat them up too much about it. they are doing a great thing by supporting this project.
# [12:09] <eschatonic> chrismills: will do. I notice there are a fair few logged already. :)
# [12:09] <As4xk> chrismills: Yes. I guess it would :p
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# [12:09] <Castor_T> what's the role of stewards in webplatform? I am assuming its to design web standards.
# [12:09] <@chrismills> eschatonic: thanks!
# [12:09] <mamameya> for a web design beginner, the webplattform is a very good starting point. thanks
# [12:09] <@chrismills> mamameya: glad it's helpful. Most of that beginning stuff comes from the Opera web standards curriculum ;-)
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# [12:10] <@chrismills> Castor_T the role of the stewards is to shape the project, manage it, build the site, donate content, and provide fuding and other resources to keep the site going
# [12:11] <@chrismills> But we don't want to tell everyone what to do; just to guide the community in making the site their own
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# [12:12] <Castor_T> Is php part of W3C ?
# [12:12] <nguyenquocthe> ok
# [12:12] <Castor_T> I mean, will it be a part of the webplatform.org
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# [12:13] <mamameya> Is it possible that webplattform can generate the web page to pdf format, so that I can put it into my mobile device to learn?
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# [12:14] <ThijsWostyn> hello everyone!
# [12:14] <swain> Hello ThijsWostyn
# [12:14] <icaaq> Hi chrismills long time no see :)
# [12:14] <sandroid> brb
# [12:14] <ThijsWostyn> great website
# [12:15] <Castor_T> I guess webplatform should add a page where user can recommend features for the website, and you could implement the most requeted features
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# [12:15] <@chrismills> icaaq - hey man! Good to see you here ;-)
# [12:15] <ThijsWostyn> from where are you guys?
# [12:15] <Grephix`dev> Castor_T: there is. W3c bugtracker
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# [12:15] <@chrismills> ThijsWostyn: I live in Manchester UK
# [12:16] <icaaq> is the wikisource on github or something? some things are not that accessible as it should be imho
# [12:16] <@chrismills> Castor_T - file suggestions for additions to the site as bugs
# [12:16] <Castor_T> cool
# [12:16] <@chrismills> icaaq - that's on the to do list
# [12:16] <@chrismills> ;-)
# [12:16] <Kevin3> Hi all. o/
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# [12:17] <@chrismills> mamameya: that's a nice idea, but a lot of work to implement. For now, you could generate your own PDFs? ;-)
# [12:17] <icaaq> chrismills: whatis? the github thing or to make it more accessible? :)
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# [12:18] <mamameya> I just use the google chrome to generate the pdf file, but I still not happy with that kind of output.
# [12:18] <Castor_T> mamameya: If you want individual pages, I guess google chrome has added a new feature recently to save a webpage as pdf or you could find some extension for other browsers to do that. You could save the pages you like.
# [12:18] <mstalfoort> mamameya, have u tried http://www.web2pdfconvert.com/ yet?
# [12:19] <@chrismills> icaaq both ;-)
# [12:19] <Castor_T> mameya: right, so you know it :)
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# [12:19] <mamameya> thanks.
# [12:19] <icaaq> chrismills: awesome :)
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# [12:19] <Grephix`dev> mamameya: why not just save it as HTML, I wonder?
# [12:19] <Grephix`dev> ought to work on mobile devices as well
# [12:19] <Castor_T> reg. validation, I still think w3c should give some *offline* tool to validate webpages. It will be helpful.
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# [12:22] <mstalfoort> Castor_T, you can have a validator installed locally, http://about.validator.nu/#src
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# [12:23] <TicTic> Hi all
# [12:23] <hitalex> hi
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# [12:23] <TicTic> Who contributes documents to this site?
# [12:23] <Castor_T> <mstalfoort> is it easy to install and use?
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# [12:23] <Castor_T> tictic: I guess webplatform is an part of w3c
# [12:23] <Grephix`dev> TicTic: the community does
# [12:23] <mamameya> thanks, Grephix`dev.
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# [12:23] <mstalfoort> Castor_T, havent tried it, so cant really say... i only know its there ;)
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# [12:24] <TicTic> I mean is msdn or apple info is merged by w3c people or microsoft or apple is contributing it
# [12:24] <Cromwell_> hello guys
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# [12:25] <Castor_T> I see that many website have already started using HTML5. Last time, I read, its still a draft
# [12:26] <Castor_T> wonder why people are using html5 already
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# [12:26] <Grephix`dev> Because of the advantages it offeres, Castor_T?
# [12:26] <Castor_T> tictic: here's the list of stewards: http://www.webplatform.org/stewards/
# [12:26] <Grephix`dev> It's already quite wide implemented
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# [12:26] <TicTic> <Castor_T> Almost all browse suports HTML5
# [12:26] <Grephix`dev> Early adaptors are the ones that get the job finished
# [12:27] <TicTic> I mean latest version
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# [12:27] <Castor_T> Is it recommended by search engines like google or bing?
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# [12:31] <JamesPotter> not coll, that a "web platform" site have a problem with design in opera.
# [12:31] <WhoKnows> HTML5 is a great tool, if supported. If not supported you can use the old stuff. HTMl5 simply has advantages in speed, implementation, etc.
# [12:31] <WhoKnows> *tool --> markup language*
# [12:31] <TicTic> Web Platform Docs is currently in alpha. Web Platform Docs is an open wiki that anyone can help improve.
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# [12:31] <@chrismills> remember that HTML5 basically IS HTML4
# [12:31] <@chrismills> but with some extra stiff thrown on top
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# [12:32] <@chrismills> stuff* ;-)
# [12:32] <swain|dev> Same as CSS3 right chrismills?
# [12:32] <@chrismills> pretty much, yes
# [12:32] <beverloo> The CSS level 3 specifications build on top of CSS2.1 as well
# [12:32] <Castor_T> But will the html5 code break in old browseres.
# [12:32] <@chrismills> So making a site HTML5 can be as simple as just using the HMTL5 doctype, which ALL browsers support
# [12:32] <beverloo> it's going to be rather confusing when new css1 specs start coming out :)
# [12:32] <Castor_T> I guess any web programmes wants his/her site to be able to work in all browsers
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# [12:33] <@chrismills> or you can go further and use the new semantic elements (which can be made to behave in older browsers, using the HTML5 shiv)
# [12:33] <@chrismills> and then there's all the APIs
# [12:33] <@chrismills> Which won't work in older browsers
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# [12:36] <swain|dev> Grephix`dev: What's you're working on?
# [12:36] <TicTic> Web Platform Docs is a new community-driven site that aims to become a comprehensive and authoritative source for web developer documentation. Even though Web Platform Docs is still in alpha, you can already find lots of valuable content on the site, including information on: How to use features of the open web, with syntax and examples What platforms and devices you can use various technologies on What is the
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# [12:37] <Grephix`dev> swain|dev: the backand for a new product we are working on
# [12:37] <Grephix`dev> http://sooqr.com :)
# [12:37] <swain|dev> Castor_T: If possible, yes, if not than I gladly cut out IE6, IE7 and maybe even IE8. But that's in rare occasions. Just take a look at your target user group what browser they use.
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# [12:38] <WhoKnows> alright
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# [12:39] <WhoKnows> just use HTML5 (HTML4 included), CSS3(CSS2.1 included) modernizr to detect if HTML5/CSS is supported
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# [12:39] <WhoKnows> and if not, use JS libs
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# [12:40] <Castor_T> I just installed firefox 16 and sometimes, i am not able to close tabs
# [12:40] <Castor_T> it's ridiculous
# [12:40] <swain|dev> Grephix`dev: Woah, nice voice in the video ;)
# [12:40] <WhoKnows> those libs must be widely supported, or just dont use it at all
# [12:40] <Grephix`dev> Thanks, thanks ;)
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# [12:40] <swain|dev> Is that yours?
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# [12:40] <Grephix`dev> Not me, I'm afraid
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# [12:40] <Castor_T> reg. html5, i guess i will wait for sometime, before using it on major sites
# [12:40] <kranius> use http://vanilla-js.com/ ;)
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# [12:40] <Grephix`dev> Hehe nope, the video was outsourced.
# [12:40] <Grephix`dev> kranius: lol, iknowrite!
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# [12:41] <swain|dev> Grephix`dev: Too bad, the 'demo' from The Phone House doesn't seem to be working.
# [12:41] <kranius> no overhead ! lightweight !
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# [12:42] <WhoKnows> whats good about vanillia-js?
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# [12:42] <WhoKnows> i heard about it a couple of times, but never used it
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# [12:42] <Grephix`dev> WhoKnows: it's just JS, downloading vanilla-js returns an empty file ;)
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# [12:43] <rooney> สวัสดี
# [12:43] <rooney> มีใครอยู่บ้างครับ
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# [12:43] <WhoKnows> ahh, fine with me, empty files van be fun too.
# [12:43] <WhoKnows> ill look into it :)
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# [12:44] <WhoKnows> brb :)
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# [12:44] <swain|dev> Grephix`dev: Now it works. :/
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# [12:44] <Grephix`dev> Lol, nothing has changed ;)
# [12:45] <Psihadelic> hallo guys
# [12:45] <swain|dev> I blame Safari 6.0
# [12:45] <Grephix`dev> As do I ;-)
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# [12:46] <swain|dev> Been acting up constantly since Mountain Lion.
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# [12:47] * swain|dev is enjoying Muse - The 2nd Law
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# [12:48] <weqr> Hi
# [12:48] <swain|dev> Hello weqr
# [12:48] <weqr> help please
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# [12:49] <weqr> how make game on crafty with WebGL?
# [12:49] <weqr> help please
# [12:49] <Grephix`dev> weqr: try joining #WebGL mate :)
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# [12:50] <weqr> what is mate?
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# [12:51] <Grephix`dev> English isn't your primary language, I presume?
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# [12:51] <Grephix`dev> weqr: type '/join #webgl' without the quotes
# [12:51] <Grephix`dev> They ought to be able to help you there
# [12:51] <swain|dev> What just happened. :o
# [12:52] <@chrismills> ?
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# [12:52] <swain|dev> I got slapped :'(
# [12:52] <@chrismills> swain|dev: ?
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# [12:52] <@chrismills> ah
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# [12:52] <swain|dev> Besides that all is fine chrismills ;)
# [12:53] <@chrismills> YouJean can we stop the slapping? Let's be nice to each other ;-)
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# [12:54] <werq> Hi
# [12:54] <Marc> hello
# [12:54] <Grephix`dev> Welcome back, werq ;)
# [12:54] <Grephix`dev> Hi Marc
# [12:54] <werq> admin why if i opoen second channel i cant back?
# [12:54] <Marc> hello
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# [12:54] <Marc> are you all developer?
# [12:54] <werq> i not see panel with list of channels
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# [12:54] <werq> yes
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# [12:54] <@chrismills> were - are you using the web-based IRC chat?
# [12:55] <selcuk> hi
# [12:55] <@chrismills> werq
# [12:55] <werq> ?
# [12:55] <Marc> hey buddy please add my on skype mlester.gonzales
# [12:55] <Marc> :-)
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# [12:55] <@chrismills> werq - are you using the web-based IRC chat?
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# [12:55] <Marc> lets talk web hahahahha
# [12:55] <robertpitt> Hey Everyone!
# [12:55] <Marc> yes
# [12:55] <werq> i on http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/
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# [12:56] <werq> i nor see panel lists
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# [12:56] <werq> not see
# [12:56] <werq> lol
# [12:56] <werq> admin second bug i found
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# [12:57] <@chrismills> were http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/ is not very good; it is really just a back up if you haven't got an IRC
# [12:57] <werq> here keys PgUp End... work and scrool not work
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# [12:57] <Marc> oh really cool hahahaha the interface makes me feel like a pro
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# [12:57] <@chrismills> werq - have you got an IRC client on your machine?
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# [12:57] <@chrismills> IRC program?
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# [12:58] <werq> i want all in browser
# [12:58] <swain|dev> Anyone experience with running Wordpress on a local server?
# [12:58] <Grephix`dev> werq: try http://mibbit.com
# [12:58] <werq> i see pdf and docs and other in browser too
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# [12:59] <Grephix`dev> probably the most advanced online IRC client I know
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# [12:59] <@chrismills> thanks Grephix`dev
# [12:59] <werq> and why kitten^^ cant write here?
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# [12:59] <@chrismills> werq - try a different client; our current one is not very good
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# [13:01] <swain|dev> Btw, everybody who wants do make some HTML5 animations or whatsoever and don't want to use flash, I can recommend Hype. :)
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# [13:01] <@chrismills> Right, I gotta go now guys - I'll be back later ;-)
# [13:01] <@chrismills> Have fun
# [13:01] <swain|dev> Cya later chrismills
# [13:01] <Grephix`dev> Cya chrismills
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# [13:01] <kranius> what about qwebirc ?
# [13:01] <swain|dev> And he's gone.
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# [13:04] <howardtrb> hello, just joined to say that this webplatform is quite a good idea
# [13:04] <howardtrb> a great idea i guess
# [13:04] <howardtrb> im new user
# [13:04] <howardtrb> and it will be very helpfull for me and for everybody
# [13:04] <howardtrb> thanks
# [13:04] <janfredrik> hi howard, im looking into this for the same reasons
# [13:04] <janfredrik> think its a great idea, looking forward to share knowledge
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# [13:06] <Netron_> Hello
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# [13:06] <swain|dev> Hello Netron_
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# [13:06] <Netron_> Hello ;)
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# [13:06] <swain|dev> How are you doing?
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# [13:07] <Marin> Js
# [13:07] <Marin> Hello, world!
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# [13:07] <Netron_> I'm fine! You?
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# [13:08] <swain|dev> I'm good, just working :P
# [13:08] <vsias> hi people!!!
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# [13:08] <swain|dev> Hello vsias
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# [13:08] <chanu> Hi
# [13:09] <lslayer> :)
# [13:09] <vsias> its my first join
# [13:09] <chanu> me too
# [13:09] <Kevin3> Hi chanu and vsias. o/
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# [13:10] <chanu> hi kevin
# [13:10] <chanu> can any one brief about this site
# [13:10] <chanu> ?
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# [13:11] <swain|dev> chanu: how do you mean?
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# [13:12] <Mike_Aski> Hi gents!
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# [13:13] <Mike_Aski> This is a great place...
# [13:13] <brik> it is isn't it
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# [13:14] <Mike_Aski> Congrats to the team, and to the supporters
# [13:14] <Mike_Aski> See ya!
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# [13:15] <chanu> yea i got it i just saw the video in the home page
# [13:15] <chanu> its just another community forum
# [13:15] <swain|dev> Well, the idea is to make this THE community forum, I believe.
# [13:16] <swain|dev> And more than that.
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# [13:16] <swain|dev> Make it a central place with documentation, answers and questions etc.
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# [13:17] <jackiiz> hello
# [13:17] <swain|dev> Hello jackiiz
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# [13:18] <jackiiz> hello swain|dev
# [13:19] <bio> is there a chat for each field (html css etc.) or just a global one ?
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# [13:19] <jackiiz> can you explain about this web
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# [13:19] <jackiiz> MM
# [13:19] <swain|dev> What would you like to know jackiiz
# [13:20] <bio> is there a chat for each field (html css etc.) or just a global one ?
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# [13:22] <jackiiz> now i study java i interesting java script ,css and html5
# [13:22] <Guest48319> What about IE? ;-)
# [13:23] <swain|dev> Guest48319: What about it? :0
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# [13:23] <jackiiz> umm .... about web
# [13:24] <swain|dev> jackiiz: The web is a pretty big space… Do you mean WebPlatform.org or the web in general?
# [13:25] <setico> yes is so
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# [13:26] <jackiiz> ok i would like to know about webplatform.org
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# [13:26] <jackiiz> what about web??
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# [13:26] <swain|dev> Okay, so it's a place where everything you'd like to know about web development could be found.
# [13:27] <swain|dev> At least, that's the goal it has in mind.
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# [13:28] <jackiiz> thank you for answer
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# [13:29] <jackiiz> i will try train about web develop
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# [13:29] <swain|dev> Good luck jackiiz
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# [13:30] <jackiiz> :)
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# [13:30] <Behdad> hii
# [13:30] <Behdad> anybody there
# [13:30] <Behdad> ?
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# [13:31] <Test_Service> hi all
# [13:31] <Test_Service> how are you?
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# [13:32] <Test_Service> hope you are fine
# [13:32] <hello_> yes i m fine
# [13:32] <cyril_c_> 2
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# [13:33] <gigwattz> >.> whats up guys
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# [13:33] <swain|dev> Not much, busy with working.
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# [13:34] <gigwattz> paul_irish, Are you around?
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# [13:35] <Vanderlei> hi
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# [13:46] <kitten_> hi
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# [13:47] <kitten_> change doc's colors please i cant see code :(
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# [13:47] <Guest85396> http://craftyengine.com/tutorial/bananabomber/create-a-game
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# [13:49] <kitten99> Admin
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# [13:49] <kitten99> Admin unban kitten^^ please
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# [13:49] <kitten99> PLEASE
# [13:49] <kitten99> u see me?
# [13:50] <sonotos> moin
# [13:50] <kitten99> admin help plz
# [13:50] <kitten99> unban kitten^^
# [13:50] <kitten99> plz
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# [13:50] <kitten99> he muted here :(
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# [13:51] <kitten99> кто тут есть?
# [13:51] <Scapesoft> a
# [13:51] <kitten99> из нашых?
# [13:52] <gigwattz> Hmm, Should we add the "Future of JavaScript" to the /wiki/Javascript page, just after the History section. it's currently a hot-topic
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# [13:52] <kitten99> Any admin here?
# [13:52] <kitten99> hgelp plz
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# [13:52] <Adem> hi
# [13:53] <kitten99> help
# [13:53] <Grephix`dev> kitten99: what do you need help with?
# [13:53] <sonotos> gigwattz: sounds interesting
# [13:53] <Grephix`dev> gigwattz: would be a nice feature, feel free to add it
# [13:53] <gigwattz> kk
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# [13:53] * Adem test
# [13:53] <Grephix`dev> Can't imagine why you shouldnt ;)
# [13:53] <kitten99> i need admin help
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# [13:54] <Grephix`dev> kitten99: I'm guessing no admin is around atm. What is it you need help with?
# [13:54] <kitten99> heeeeeeeLP!!!!!!!!!
# [13:54] <sonotos> his nick unbaned
# [13:54] <kitten99> who?
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# [13:55] <Grephix`dev> kitten99: what makes you say kitten^^ is banned?
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# [13:56] <kitten99> 15:42] <kitten99> i need admin help [15:42] == booya_ [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-boaukwvuzsulrggj] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] [15:43] <kitten99> heeeeeeeLP!!!!!!!!! [15:43] <sonotos> his nick unbaned [15:43] <kitten99> who? [15:44] == kitten99 has changed nick to kitten^^ [15:44] <kitten^^> ok? [15:44] == Cannot send to channel: #webplatform [15:44] <Grephix`dev> kitten99: what
# [13:56] <kitten99> [15:44] <kitten^^> aaaaaaaaa [15:44] == Cannot send to channel: #webplatform [15:44] <kitten^^> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa [15:44] == Cannot send to channel: #webplatform [15:44] <kitten^^> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa [15:44] == Cannot send to channel: #webplatform
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# [13:57] <broken> hola!
# [13:57] <kitten99> hey?!?!?
# [13:57] <kitten99> cry;(
# [13:57] <mstalfoort> paul_irish, ping
# [13:57] <kitten99> :(
# [13:57] <Krishna_> hello world
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# [13:57] <swain|dev> !ping
# [13:57] <Grephix`dev> kitten99
# [13:57] <Grephix`dev> is your nickname registered?
# [13:57] <kitten99> no
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# [13:58] <kitten99> i yesterday used kitten^^
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# [13:58] <kitten99> why banned :(((
# [13:58] <kitten99> u where?
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# [13:58] <Grephix`dev> hmmm right
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# [13:58] <Grephix`dev> paul_irish: around?
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# [13:59] <kitten99> HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP!!!!!!!!!
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# [13:59] <Grephix`dev> kitten99: were you told why you got banned?
# [13:59] <Guest35610> hm?
# [13:59] <Lifesnoozer> kitten99: Shouting about it won't help
# [13:59] <sonotos> kitten99: do you thnk it gets better by spamming the channel? shut up, i understand why you got banned
# [13:59] <Grephix`dev> also: that is just the behaviour that'll get yourselve banned
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# [13:59] <Grephix`dev> s/ve/f
# [13:59] <kitten99> stfu sontos
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# [14:00] <kitten99> to other
# [14:00] <kitten99> idk why
# [14:00] <kitten99> me not banned
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# [14:00] <kitten99> yesterday all was good
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# [14:00] <kitten99> and today this nick banned :(
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# [14:01] <andrewjbaker> Did you register the nick?
# [14:01] <kitten99> Any admin or member here?
# [14:01] <kitten99> Who know admin??
# [14:01] <Grephix`dev> andrewjbaker: its not registered
# [14:01] <Krishna_> Hello webplatform team, just saw your youtube presentation. any member on the house to chat more about it?
# [14:01] <Grephix`dev> already checked
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# [14:01] <Grephix`dev> Shouting about it or telling others to stfu will probably not get you anywhere kitten99
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# [14:01] <mstalfoort> kitten99, we all understand your frustration atm, but there's no admin around to help you out on short notice
# [14:01] <andrewjbaker> Grephix`dev, OK. ;-)
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# [14:01] <asddas> d
# [14:01] <asddas> lol
# [14:01] <asddas> asd
# [14:01] <asddas> d
# [14:01] <asddas> as
# [14:01] <asddas> das
# [14:01] <asddas> as
# [14:01] <asddas> Полученные гистограммы распределения по энергиям позволяют рассчитать внутреннюю энергию (2.34), теплоёмкость (2.35) и энтропию (2.36), а также средние квадраты радиусов инерции (2.38). Получившиеся функции для полимеров длиной 6, 12 и 24 Ñ
# [14:02] <asddas> Одинокая птица над полем кружит, Догоревшее солнце уходит с небес. Если шкура сера и клыки что ножи, Не чести меня волком, стремящимся в лес. Лопоухий щенок любит вкус молока, А не крови, бегущей из порванных жил. Если
# [14:02] <kitten99> cry :(
# [14:02] <Grephix`dev> /mode #webplatform +b asddas
# [14:02] <asddas> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ OCR по изданию: М.Семенова, "Волкодав", Азбука-Терра, СПб, 1995г. Spellcheck: Петр Кириевский ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Одинокая птица над полем кружит, Догоревшее солнце уходÐ
# [14:02] <Grephix`dev> This channel needs an active operator, lol
# [14:02] <asddas> This channel needs an active operator, lol
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# [14:02] <asddas> This channel needs an active operator, lol
# [14:02] <asddas> This channel needs an active operator, lol
# [14:02] <asddas> This channel needs an active operator, lol
# [14:02] <asddas> v
# [14:02] <asddas> This channel needs an active operator, lol
# [14:02] <asddas> This channel needs an active operator, lol
# [14:02] <asddas> This channel needs an active operator, lol
# [14:02] <asddas> This channel needs an active operator, lol
# [14:02] <asddas> This channel needs an active operator, lol
# [14:02] <asddas> This channel needs an active operator, lol
# [14:02] <kitten99> aaa
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# [14:02] <kitten99> spammer
# [14:02] <swain|dev> *sigh*
# [14:02] <Grephix`dev> with ^
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# [14:03] <kitten99> иди отсюда плохой
# [14:03] <kitten99> ты позоришь нашу нацыю
# [14:03] <asddas> блин(
# [14:03] <asddas> я не хотел
# [14:03] * Grephix`dev highlights divya Garbee paul_irish ppk_ shepazu tobie
# [14:03] * swain|dev helps Grephix`dev
# [14:03] <kitten99> иди на канал виндовс
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# [14:03] <asddas> и при чем тут спаамер?
# [14:03] <kitten99> они заслужили это
# [14:03] <kitten99> ну ты спаммишь
# [14:03] <asddas> флудер, а не спамер
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# [14:04] <asddas> спамер это который рекламу пихает
# [14:04] <kitten99> ты с хабра?
# [14:04] <webnick> /nickserv set enforce on
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# [14:04] <asddas> типа - BUY THIS !!!!
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# [14:04] <asddas> ну да, откуда ж еще
# [14:04] <kitten99> значит ты вчерашний
# [14:04] <asddas> почему?
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# [14:05] <dariush> Hello
# [14:05] <andrewjbaker> This needs to happen, but I imagine it requires an op to do it. Oh, the irony. 'Help us support your channel in emergencies by adding channel staff to your channel access list via "/msg chanserv flags #channelname [nick] [access]".'
# [14:05] <swain|dev> Hello dariush
# [14:05] <andrewjbaker> From: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
# [14:05] <Grephix`dev> andrewjbaker: yup
# [14:06] <Grephix`dev> only operators are able to kick, ban, mute, whatnot
# [14:06] <kitten99> !admin
# [14:06] <kitten99> !admins
# [14:06] <dariush> Help me, please.
# [14:06] <kitten99> !wtf?
# [14:06] <Grephix`dev> dariush: with what?
# [14:06] <swain|dev> dariush: What's your problem? What can we help with?
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# [14:06] <kitten99> i can help
# [14:07] <kitten99> change color and unban nick
# [14:07] <kitten99> please!
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# [14:07] <kitten99> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
# [14:07] <kitten99> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
# [14:07] <dariush> I want to join to android devs but I cant because of my contry
# [14:07] <kitten99> HEY I HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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# [14:08] <sonotos> /ignore kitten99
# [14:08] <swain|dev> dariush: Android debs. What do you mean?
# [14:08] <swain|dev> devs*
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# [14:08] <swain|dev> Like a IRC channel or...?
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# [14:08] <dariush> No android devloers in google play.In iran we cant
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# [14:09] <gzuce> Hi, i'm super bored
# [14:09] <@divya> did the spammer get kicked?
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# [14:09] <asddas> no
# [14:09] <asddas> I'm here
# [14:09] <swain|dev> dariush: I'm afraid I can't help you with that, have you tried to contact Google?
# [14:09] <@divya> oh hai spammer
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# [14:09] <asddas> flooder! no spamer
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# [14:10] <asddas> тупой бля
# [14:10] <Lifesnoozer> swain|dev: Won't help him, the US and Iran doesn't work together
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# [14:10] <@divya> well we will quiet you if you are wasting everybody's time
# [14:10] <asddas> иносранцы бараны тупые
# [14:10] <dariush> Excusme why you afraid? :(
# [14:10] <swain|dev> dariush: Haha, don't worry, I'm not afraid, it's just a saying
# [14:10] <andrewjbaker> Term of phrase.
# [14:11] <swain|dev> Lifesnoozer: Sadly, governments still don't seem to realize that the internet shouldn't have borders.
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# [14:11] <Lifesnoozer> Well the problem isn't really internet
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# [14:11] <Robika> hello
# [14:11] <swain|dev> No, the problem is the governments.
# [14:11] <Lifesnoozer> It's more that the US has blocks on Iran and more or less ban businesses from working with people in Iran
# [14:11] <swain|dev> Hello Robika
# [14:12] <dariush> whats your Idea about Iran?
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# [14:12] <s_ert> ?
# [14:12] <swain|dev> dariush: How do you mean?
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# [14:13] <Robika> I am Hungarian
# [14:13] <s_ert> testing the finctionality :)
# [14:13] <s_ert> functionality
# [14:13] <Robika> php?
# [14:13] <test1> test complete
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# [14:13] <dariush> @swain|dev I think every body afraid from iranian :(
# [14:13] <Richard_Ainz__> Dariush, from you choice of name i would guess that you consider yourself more of a Persian than an Iranian?
# [14:13] <sonotos> divya: :-)
# [14:13] <mstalfoort> thx divya
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# [14:14] <s_ert> working great.. logging off
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# [14:14] <swain|dev> dariush: I'm sorry to gave you that thought, in fact I'm not afraid of you or any other Iranian, at least not without having a reason to be afraid.
# [14:14] <test1> \quit
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# [14:14] <@divya> please keep discussions on topic please
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# [14:14] <swain|dev> It was just a term of phrase, used in the English language.
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# [14:14] <@divya> there are other channels to discuss politics
# [14:14] <@divya> swain|dev: dariush ^
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# [14:15] <swain|dev> divya: It's not about politics, at least, it shouldn't be. ;) I'm a bad person to talk about politics anyways.
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# [14:15] <@divya> yes so no this is about webplatformdocs.
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# [14:15] <@divya> if your conversation is not about that, take it to PM
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# [14:16] <@divya> or other channels relevant to that topic.
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# [14:16] <@divya> it does not help because others may have questions w.r.t WPD and then the current conversation might prevent them from asking it.
# [14:16] <dariush> Im not fluent in english :(
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# [14:16] <sonotos> how about using #webplatform-offtopic ?
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# [14:17] <@divya> sounds good to me.
# [14:17] <sonotos> in some other popular chans is an offtopic channel for exactly that reason
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# [14:17] <dariush> Help me :(
# [14:17] <Richard_Ainz__> as divya said there are nuff channels for political topics, but it may of course be easy to stumble in to poilitics when talking internet in general
# [14:17] <sonotos> divya: ill give you admin rights in ot
# [14:18] <@divya> sonotos: naw i am cool having it unmoderated, just change topic to UNOFFICIAL or osmething
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# [14:18] <sonotos> divya: ok
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# [14:18] <Niiw> hello
# [14:18] <Niiw> algum brasileiro?
# [14:18] <Reyres> o/
# [14:18] <dariush> hello niiw
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# [14:19] <Reyres> Aqui
# [14:19] <andrewjbaker> Also, I'd hazard a guess that a considerable number of the devs finding this channel aren't familiar w/ the whole IRC shizzle. It might even be there first exposure to IRC, for a number of them.
# [14:19] <Richard_Ainz__> Spanish here
# [14:19] <andrewjbaker> *their
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# [14:19] <Niiw> esse conteudo de html já é op 5??
# [14:19] <egecan> maybe we need ircplatform.org too?
# [14:19] <@divya> Niiw: can you please stick to english so others dont feel excluded/
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# [14:19] <egecan> =)
# [14:19] <Niiw> ok
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# [14:20] <@divya> i hope the web based IRC channel has been abandoned
# [14:20] <iranian_boy> hi freinds
# [14:20] <dariush> سلام پسر ایرانی
# [14:20] <iranian_boy> سلام بر داریوش
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# [14:20] <dariush> نبودی چت روم شده بود سیاست ایران
# [14:20] <@divya> dariush: iranian_boy wow i need to repeat my message twice so quickly
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# [14:20] <@divya> dariush: iranian_boy can you please stick to english so others dont feel excluded?
# [14:21] <iranian_boy> yes my dude ;)
# [14:21] <iranian_boy> چرا؟
# [14:21] <iranian_boy> حرف از چی میزدن؟
# [14:21] <egecan> google translate says: "Nbodi had been the Iranian policy chat room"
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# [14:21] <Niiw> This material is for html 5?
# [14:21] <swain|dev> Poor divya :P
# [14:21] <Grephix`dev> :D
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# [14:21] <Richard_Ainz__> andrewjbaker: thing is many irc channels are created with a narrow topic in mind, but get all swamped by off topic discussions... that is why I laft IRC some years ago, and why I also am a but reluctant to this approach for webplatform, but, it may of course be useful once some moderation is in place.
# [14:21] <dariush> راجع به محمود بحث انداختم دیگه کسی راجع به وب حرف نمیزد :)
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# [14:22] <ethan_> exit
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# [14:22] <@divya> i am fine having occasional offtopic conversations
# [14:22] <egecan> irc is the only place you see you see all these html5 rockstars on the right pane =))
# [14:22] <@divya> just not in the beginning
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# [14:23] <swain|dev> Understandable divya
# [14:23] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting.
# [14:23] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off topic seekign people in here
# [14:24] <mstalfoort> divya, my guess it will stay this way
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# [14:24] <@divya> mstalfoort: naww channels get some sort of good practice and stay that way.
# [14:24] <@divya> like #html5
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# [14:25] <andrewjbaker> Where people come, and people go, and most rarely speak? :-p
# [14:25] <Munter> If you want this to be about improving webplatform.org then a small note somewhere saying '#webplatform on freenode' will be enough to get stewards and other enthusiasts in here
# [14:25] <mstalfoort> divya, that would be nice indeed
# [14:25] <kallepersson_> divya: I'd have to chime in on the suggestion to remove the "Chat" page on webplatform.org. Just my 50 cents :)
# [14:25] <mstalfoort> time will tell
# [14:25] <kallepersson_> Munter: yes, totally.
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# [14:26] <@divya> Munter: yeah we are all here anyway. i think that chat page has to go too.
# [14:26] <asd_> fg
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# [14:26] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
# [14:26] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
# [14:26] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
# [14:26] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
# [14:26] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
# [14:26] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
# [14:26] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
# [14:26] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
# [14:26] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
# [14:26] <Richard_Ainz__> one could start with moderating the current "forums" since they are getting spammed as we speak
# [14:26] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
# [14:26] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
# [14:26] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
# [14:26] * vasyabigi slaps sonotos around a bit with a large fishbot
# [14:26] <asd_> WTF
# [14:26] <asd_> topic seekign people in here [16:13] <mstalfoort> divya, [16:15] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest r
# [14:26] <asd_> topic seekign people in here [16:13] <mstalfoort> divya, [16:15] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest r
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# [14:26] <asd_> gu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off topic seekign people in here [16:13] <mstalfoort> divya, [16:15] * vasyabigi slaps sonotos around a bit with a large fishbot [16:15] <asd_> WTF [16:
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# [14:26] <Guest19217> http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/
# [14:26] * divya sets mode: +q asd_!*@*
# [14:26] <Guest19217> http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/
# [14:26] <kallepersson_> :(
# [14:26] <kranius> such spam
# [14:26] <@divya> man 24/7 i need to be on duty huh
# [14:26] <Guest19217> http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
# [14:26] <Guest19217> http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
# [14:26] <Guest19217> http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
# [14:26] <Guest19217> http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
# [14:26] <Guest19217> http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
# [14:26] <Guest19217> http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
# [14:26] <Guest19217> http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
# [14:26] <Guest19217> http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
# [14:26] <Guest19217> http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
# [14:26] <Guest19217> http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
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# [14:27] <swain|dev> My ignore list is getting filled up pretty much already… :/
# [14:27] <Richard_Ainz__> no I wont buy a car from that place, so sorry
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# [14:27] <kallepersson_> divya: Might I suggest allowing access to identified freenode users only?
# [14:27] <@divya> you dont have to ignore htem as i already muted them
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# [14:27] <CLICKER> CLICK http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
# [14:27] <CLICKER> CLICK http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
# [14:27] <CLICKER> CLICK http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
# [14:27] <CLICKER> CLICK http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
# [14:27] <CLICKER> CLICK http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
# [14:27] <CLICKER> CLICK http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
# [14:27] <CLICKER> CLICK http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
# [14:27] <CLICKER> v
# [14:27] <CLICKER> CLICK http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
# [14:27] <CLICKER> vCLICK http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
# [14:27] <CLICKER> CLICK http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
# [14:27] <CLICKER> CLICK http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
# [14:27] <CLICKER> CLICK http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
# [14:27] <kallepersson_> afaik #python has it and I believe it's working great.
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# [14:27] <sonotos> kallepersson_: ack
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# [14:28] <sonotos> but that would block the webchat
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# [14:28] <Richard_Ainz__> ok, guys, you need to get a grip of this chat somehow...
# [14:28] <si-m1> probably helps alot just removing the web client
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# [14:28] <sdaadssadadsdas> Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
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# [14:28] <sdaadssadadsdas> Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
# [14:28] <kallepersson_> Yes I guess that too.
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# [14:28] <sdaadssadadsdas> Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
# [14:28] <sdaadssadadsdas> Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
# [14:28] <Yaser> hi for all
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# [14:28] <@divya> geesus
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# [14:28] <si-m1> or requiring being logged in to use it
# [14:28] <Richard_Ainz__> you will NOT be able to handle all that manually
# [14:28] <@divya> how do i use hostname ban for someone using webchat?
# [14:28] <sonotos> well as long as we have the webchat you have not a real chance
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# [14:29] <Richard_Ainz__> remove the webchat
# [14:29] <Richard_Ainz__> now
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# [14:29] <mstalfoort> looks like someone is testing you divya.... not cool
# [14:29] <@divya> i dont have admin access to the site
# [14:29] <egecan> you have to ban spammer manually? isn't there an automated bot?
# [14:29] <Richard_Ainz__> grrrmblbm...n00bs
# [14:29] <@divya> i will tell the people there.
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# [14:32] <puppion> this is crazy
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# [14:32] <Pouya> Hi all
# [14:32] <puppion> hi
# [14:32] <@divya> wow someone is really hurt
# [14:32] <puppion> how are you Pouya?
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# [14:32] <orangeshark> hello Pouya
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# [14:32] <Pouya> not bad
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# [14:32] <puppion> so what are you guys developing with?
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# [14:33] <Pouya> how are u ?
# [14:33] <swain|dev> Anything that I need, puppion
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# [14:33] <puppion> you know something, the truth is i still havn't found my ultimate ide for client side developement
# [14:34] <Grephix`dev> puppion: u haven't?
# [14:34] <Grephix`dev> PHPStorm ftw \o/
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# [14:35] <puppion> i keep changing.... right now the most comfortable for me is NetBeans php. crazy, ah?
# [14:35] <sonotos> ZendStudio / Netbeans
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# [14:35] <Grephix`dev> I came from netbeans as well
# [14:35] <Grephix`dev> I like PHPStorm better though
# [14:35] <sonotos> it's cool for js
# [14:35] <puppion> zend is the most comfortable of all the eclipses, that's true
# [14:35] <Grephix`dev> the whole jetbrains software office tbh
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# [14:36] <sonotos> well PHPStorm has some good features, i just miss the multi project support
# [14:36] <Lifesnoozer> I really don't like eclipse
# [14:36] * Gorkyman loves Komodo
# [14:36] <sonotos> our projects normally are devided in serveral sub projects, so i had to open x instances in PHPStorm
# [14:36] <puppion> but i can't help but feeling i really need one perfect ide for js (jquery) and css
# [14:36] <sonotos> Eclipse hast this working set feature, that's really cool
# [14:36] <Grephix`dev> Agread sonotos, that's the only thing I miss
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# [14:37] <puppion> i'll have to check phpstorm...
# [14:37] <sonotos> Grephix`dev: write, that was at least the only reason for me to stay with zend
# [14:37] <sonotos> even zend is so slow that it crashes very often even by just indexing the code
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# [14:37] <Grephix`dev> It is, that's why I stopped using it
# [14:38] <Grephix`dev> PHPStorm is quite smooth when it comes to that.
# [14:38] <Grephix`dev> Also: I dont mind opening x instances. I never reach > 3 instances though.
# [14:38] <sonotos> right, and it's not blocking all the actions
# [14:38] <sonotos> Grephix`dev: we have 200 projects
# [14:38] <sonotos> modules, libraries, gateway projects, themes etc
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# [14:39] <Grephix`dev> I never work on more than 3 at a time, lol
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# [14:39] <Grephix`dev> True, I guess it depends on how you setup your projects :)
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# [14:39] <sonotos> Grephix`dev: they are all part of one bigger project
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# [14:39] <Grephix`dev> That's what I was getting at ;)
# [14:39] <sonotos> it's just splitted up
# [14:40] <sonotos> well you don't want to have projects with serveral million loc, in one project. especially not in eclipse hrhr
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# [14:40] <puppion> ok, downloading phpstorm
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# [14:40] <Grephix`dev> hehehe
# [14:40] <Grephix`dev> agreed
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# [14:41] <sonotos> Grephix`dev: i've heard there's an enterprise version of PhpStrom that should have this multi project feature
# [14:41] <menc> hi
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# [14:42] <Grephix`dev> Is it really?
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# [14:42] <Grephix`dev> Never heard about that tbh
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# [14:42] <sonotos> not shure if this is just the java idea or also the phpmodule
# [14:42] <Grephix`dev> Google doesn't get me any wiser on the subject either
# [14:43] <sonotos> a friend told me after complaining about that
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# [14:43] <sonotos> i did not fint it either
# [14:43] <sonotos> find
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# [14:43] <sonotos> i should have asked him direct where
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# [14:44] <Grephix`dev> whom?
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# [14:45] <Ajay_> hi
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# [14:46] <Ajay_> Is html5 is working in all major Browsers?
# [14:46] <vldcnst> yes
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# [14:46] <aSFASfAsf> eae galere!
# [14:47] <Grephix`dev> Ajay_: define 'html5' ;-)
# [14:47] <aSFASfAsf> os garção gostam de dalo K
# [14:47] <aSFASfAsf> servir dalo K
# [14:47] <Grephix`dev> Not all specifications are fully addapted by all major browsers
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# [14:47] <Ajay_> I want to use SVG but we are support ie7+. Is there any way to use svg in ie7
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# [14:47] <@divya> aSFASfAsf: please stick to english
# [14:48] <Ajay_> I want to use SVG but we are support ie7+. Is there any way to use svg in ie7
# [14:48] <Ajay_> ?
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# [14:48] <aSFASfAsf> oi
# [14:48] <az09|and> Ajay_, raphaeljs
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# [14:49] <servirDaloK> cole divya
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# [14:50] <servirDaloK> divya: do u like daloK?
# [14:50] <Ajay_> yes, raphaeljs is a solution because they used vml also
# [14:50] <@divya> servirDaloK: please stick to ontopic conversations, there is an offtopic chatroom for otherwise.
# [14:50] <servirDaloK> servir daloK
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# [14:50] <servirDaloK> sorry for trollar
# [14:50] <servirDaloK> to indo
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# [14:50] <Ajay_> is there any solution without raphaeljs
# [14:50] <Lifesnoozer> Yeah, write your own
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# [14:51] <Ajay_> in vml?
# [14:51] <akhil_> hi guys
# [14:51] <Lifesnoozer> Yep
# [14:51] <mstalfoort> Ajay_, yep
# [14:51] <Ajay_> ok
# [14:51] <Ajay_> one more question?
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# [14:51] <Lifesnoozer> But really no reason to do that when you could use raphaël instead
# [14:51] <mstalfoort> Ajay_, it should be easier with a system like raphaeljs
# [14:51] <abdsener> 1
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# [14:52] <Ajay_> I want to create a chess program in css3/js. Can any one give me a link how i can process for that?
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# [14:52] <Skinny26> Hello all!
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# [14:53] <Ajay_> I want to create a chess program in css3/js. Can any one give me a link how i can process for that?
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# [14:54] <andrewjbaker> Looks like WP made this week's HTML5 Weekly newsletter.
# [14:54] <andrewjbaker> http://html5weekly.com/archive/58.html
# [14:54] <mstalfoort> Ajay_, my guess is you'll have to google for that,... this is not really the channel for such specific queries
# [14:55] <Ajay_> ok
# [14:55] <Ajay_> thanks
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# [14:58] <Ajay_> but could you(mstalfoort) please let me know, What type of queries we can ask in this channel.
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# [15:00] <Dubaut> Всем привет 🇷🇺
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# [15:01] <webnick> dubaut, stick to english pls
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# [15:02] <mstalfoort> anything related to webplatform.org and/or the technologies described on the site, your query is very game specific
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# [15:03] <mstalfoort> unless 1 of the admins have another point of view (which isnt described in the topic)
# [15:03] <sonotos> hm, who has reset the mainpage?
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# [15:09] <Anna__> where should I post suggestions for the webplatform css... I can't distinguish the blue link colour from the grey, the contrast is not nearly enough
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# [15:09] <_kud> Boooriiing.
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# [15:10] <Anna__> anyone?
# [15:10] <sonotos> Anna__: please create a bug report
# [15:10] <sonotos> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org
# [15:10] <Anna__> perfect, thanks!
# [15:10] <sonotos> yw
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# [15:11] <edi> wow this looks like new here ;-)
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# [15:12] <razwan> hey
# [15:12] <razwan> what's this :D
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# [15:13] <razwan> hm...
# [15:13] <razwan> so no one's here
# [15:13] <Guest51704> Im here man :D
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# [15:18] <@divya> karlcow: if you have the time to stop the bots from flooding the channel pls do!
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# [15:20] <@karlcow> divya: it is interesting at least socially to see what is happening.
# [15:20] <sonotos> karlcow: ack
# [15:21] <sonotos> provide an easy access for the mass and you have the mess...
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# [15:22] <swain|dev> I agree with sonotos.
# [15:22] <@karlcow> brb
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# [15:23] <swain|dev> Nice quit message. XD
# [15:23] <sonotos> hm should check if not somebody else said that before, i like it :-)
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# [15:23] <@divya> i have mentioned it to the admins anyways. hopefully there wont be webchat soon.
# [15:23] <sonotos> thx
# [15:24] <sonotos> maybe we can reanable it later again
# [15:24] <sonotos> at the moment there where many articles in diffrent news pages
# [15:24] <sonotos> think that drives the average forum trolls to the irc
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# [15:25] <nghia> Hi all, have a nice day with the new platform.
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# [15:32] <gilvam> I wonder what is the best IDE for mac or windows in javascrip
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# [15:33] <Nick_Zaccardi> Good morning.
# [15:33] <Chopki> Afternoon
# [15:33] <@divya> it is hilarious that the very first question that anybody asks in any forum
# [15:33] <@divya> is what is the best IDE
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# [15:33] <@divya> the best IDE is the one you master.
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# [15:33] <Nick_Zaccardi> divya: Sublime Text... unless you are crazy, then learn VIM
# [15:33] <Nick_Zaccardi> :)
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# [15:33] <Chopki> Submlime is good
# [15:33] <Kevin3> I agree with Nick_Zaccardi.
# [15:34] <Chopki> not an IDE though
# [15:34] * sonotos prefers Eclipse / Netbeans
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# [15:34] <Nick_Zaccardi> Chopki: HOw is it NOT an ide?
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# [15:34] <Chopki> its a text editor
# [15:34] <@divya> and o why is sublime not an IDE?
# [15:34] <@divya> orly
# [15:34] <Nick_Zaccardi> With git, ftp
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# [15:34] <Nick_Zaccardi> Autocompletion
# [15:34] <Tomato> Hey cuties.
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# [15:35] <gilvam> tanks
# [15:35] <Nick_Zaccardi> There are 100000 things Sublime can do for you!
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# [15:35] <gilvam> thank you*
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# [15:35] <Chopki> It may be a glorified text editor but it does not have the features of something like Eclipse
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# [15:36] <kranius> Chopki: what features ?
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# [15:36] <mstalfoort> what about brackets?
# [15:36] <Nick_Zaccardi> In all seriousness, what has made you come to that conclusion. I will step off my soap box and listen to your reason. Then let the plebs decide.
# [15:36] <kranius> real men use vim
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# [15:37] <kranius> and some unix-flavored OS
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# [15:37] <Nick_Zaccardi> right... and we should all use punch cards.
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# [15:37] <Chopki> sublime text has only really its text editing component, it can do a little more behind the scenes but Eclipse can debug and do much more i.e. GUI development and testing - more than text editing
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# [15:38] <@divya> kranius: how about real women?™
# [15:38] <@divya> never mind this stupid IDE discussion
# [15:38] <kranius> yup
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# [15:40] <pahbloo> hello there.
# [15:40] <plamoni> divya: real women are more mature than to judge others by their text editor… Though I guess you already pointed that out
# [15:40] <freeman> hello everybody
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# [15:40] <freeman> hahha
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# [15:40] <kranius> real women would use butterflies
# [15:41] <pahbloo> is anyone here knowing when webplatform will have a multilanguage wiki?
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# [15:41] <Nick_Zaccardi> pahbloo: I saw a post on the forum about it.
# [15:41] <@divya> just shutup kranius
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# [15:41] <Nick_Zaccardi> pahbloo: The answer was yes, in time.
# [15:42] <Nick_Zaccardi> pahbloo: Granted that was the forum and not an official answer
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# [15:42] <pahbloo> Nick_Zaccardi: Good. I expect help to translate good docs to Portuguese. There are very few today.
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# [15:48] <lobos0ft> osf?
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# [15:48] <mstalfoort> divya, little ot, will brackets be supported on lets say ubuntu ?
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# [15:49] <@divya> mstalfoort: maybe! but i think they dont have bandwidth to work on it? you should ask on #brackets
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# [15:49] <Rufus> Hello :D
# [15:49] <@divya> coz lots have wanted that.
# [15:49] <mstalfoort> divya, thx
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# [15:50] <lobos0ft> is this really working?
# [15:51] <@divya> no
# [15:51] <@divya> :))
# [15:51] <Doidim> So.. I heard U like computers.. Is it true?
# [15:51] <sz0ka> no its broken
# [15:51] <Lucas> Hello
# [15:51] <sz0ka> what are we talking about?
# [15:51] <sz0ka> hi Lucas :)
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# [15:52] <Sundberg_Music> hello webworkers
# [15:52] <sz0ka> Doidim: Actually we all hate our computers BUT we are masochists and like it when it really hurts
# [15:52] <Lucas> Finally learned how to do drag and drop with html5
# [15:52] <Doidim> Lets talk about Bugs! I love bugsd :)
# [15:52] <plamoni> Lucas: cool
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# [15:53] <Lucas> Doidim you is brasilian?
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# [15:53] <Doidim> Ya! XD
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# [15:53] <Doidim> What was your tip? =p
# [15:53] <Lucas> I too
# [15:53] <lobos0ft> l
# [15:54] <Doidim> I shoul've working right now...
# [15:54] <Lucas> I hate bugs
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# [15:54] <Doidim> I love them!!
# [15:54] <Doidim> Without them i would have no work..
# [15:54] <Doidim> (not sure if correct gramar)
# [15:54] <Lucas> They can sometimes end up with a complete project
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# [15:54] <Doidim> (*grammar)
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# [15:55] <Doidim> That is true..
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# [15:55] <Doidim> But if it happens means that U've failed
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# [15:55] <Lucas> yes
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# [15:56] <sham4002> hey guys
# [15:56] <Lucas> bugs are natural things can always happen
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# [15:56] <Lucas> Speak bro?
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# [15:56] <Doidim> So.. I have lots of them to fix..
# [15:56] <Doidim> See ya pals o/
# [15:56] <Diego> http://www.jogodavelhadigital.com.br
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# [15:57] <Lucas> What's this?
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# [15:57] <Doidim> its broken
# [15:57] <Doidim> oh no, my bad
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# [15:58] <Doidim> cool
# [15:58] <Lucas> You know messing with css, javascript, html5?
# [15:59] <Doidim> Now is serious.. Bye!
# [15:59] <Lucas> Bye '-'
# [15:59] <arkhi> Hello World.
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# [16:06] <krava> Hello world!
# [16:06] <Lucas> hello '-'
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# [16:08] <Lucas> As I centralize a text with css?
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# [16:08] <webnick> do u mean text-align: center?
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# [16:09] <Lucas> Not working
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# [16:10] <gigwattz> Will work on this a little later, anyone who wants to start can do. http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/programming/javascript/future
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# [16:10] <webnick> Lucas: see private chat
# [16:11] <Lucas> ?
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# [16:11] <Lucas> I am not registered
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# [16:12] <webnick> do u have an example script where it does not work?
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# [16:12] <ChooChooooNDraa> oh, hi!
# [16:12] <Lucas> no ;´(
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# [16:13] <webnick> do u want to center only text or a container?
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# [16:14] <ChooChooooNDraa> Do this cite has list of compatibles around HTML5 ? I mean can i know which feature is enabled in different browser.
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# [16:25] <grc> so what?
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# [16:26] <josemon> hi, I am new here..what is this webplatform meant for ??? please help ...anyone ?
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# [16:27] <@ppk_> webplatform is meant to document browser incompatibilities. It's just started up, so there isn't a lot of info on the site yet. But that'll be corrected later on.
# [16:27] <@shepazu> morning, folks
# [16:27] <sonotos> moin
# [16:27] <@ppk_> 'afternoon.
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# [16:28] <@shepazu> ppk_: browser incompatibilities? you mean browser features and interop, and some incompatibilities, right? :D
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# [16:28] <@ppk_> It all boils down to the same.
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# [16:28] <@ppk_> Stuff I'm supposed to figure out.
# [16:28] <@shepazu> :)
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# [16:29] <Nick_Zaccardi> good morning shepazu
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# [16:30] <jfsd> hello
# [16:30] <@shepazu> hi, Nick_Zaccardi
# [16:30] <desbenoit> Afternoon shepazu :)
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# [16:31] <@shepazu> hi, desbenoit
# [16:31] <test_> hi @shepazu
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# [16:33] <@shepazu> I've had some requests to remove the IRC web client, because of abuse… what do you all think? we have some options… maybe we could disable it when there aren't ops here, or increase the security with a captcha, or something
# [16:33] <sonotos> shepazu: wont help against kiddie trolls
# [16:33] <sonotos> require a user account
# [16:33] <@shepazu> we want this channel to be productive
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# [16:33] <sonotos> with a valid mail
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# [16:33] <webnick> require registration
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# [16:34] <@shepazu> sonotos: wouldn't that raise the bar too high?
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# [16:34] <sonotos> shepazu: not really
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# [16:34] <sonotos> we are talking about people who claim to be developer
# [16:34] <sonotos> right?
# [16:35] <webnick> i think all users who want to be productive register their account
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# [16:35] <sonotos> i mean you nead also an account to edit in the wiki
# [16:35] <Riant> Hello, everyone
# [16:35] <@shepazu> but not to read the wiki…
# [16:35] <sonotos> we could use the same account at least
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# [16:35] <@shepazu> hi, Riant
# [16:35] <@ppk_> How bad is spamming and trolling in practice?
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# [16:35] <Riant> YEs?
# [16:35] <desbenoit> I don't think a captch would slow the trolls down
# [16:35] <Nick_Zaccardi> The great dilemma of building a community... To much freedom you have to deal with trolls, to strict and nothing gets accomplished.
# [16:35] <Riant> I am new here
# [16:36] <@ppk_> I took over ops duty from divya a while back, but nothing happened.
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# [16:36] <mstalfoort> it comes and goes
# [16:36] <sonotos> shepazu: yes but they are writing here also, i mean this channel was planned to exchange between experts or people who want to become experts
# [16:36] <_cheney> i'd remove it, at least it would cut down on the join spam
# [16:36] <dontcallmedom> I'm happy to act as (c)op, if there is some guidance as to what is allowed or not
# [16:36] <@shepazu> divya was saying that there were a bunch of trolls overnight
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# [16:37] <sonotos> well they could also install an normal irc client
# [16:37] <dontcallmedom> tying access to the chat to having an account would make sense (although I can imagine not being trivial to set up)
# [16:37] <@ppk_> What's also necessary is a few ops from North America, a few from Europe, and a few from East Asia/Australia.
# [16:37] <mstalfoort> yeah, she was quite busy with it
# [16:37] * shepazu sets mode: +o dontcallmedom
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# [16:37] <@ppk_> So that there's always at least one, whatever the time.
# [16:37] <desbenoit> It's quieter today, yesterday there was a true hit...
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# [16:37] <_cheney> chat is helpful but i don't think it needs to be embedded to the site
# [16:37] <Tomato> Don't worry, I'm still here to bug you all day long desbenoit.
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# [16:37] <sonotos> well we had allready fu today with some wanabees
# [16:37] <sonotos> fun
# [16:37] <@shepazu> I think the channel will slow down over the next few weeks
# [16:38] <desbenoit> :) Tomato
# [16:38] <@shepazu> hi, Tomato
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# [16:38] <sonotos> shepazu: yes but until then it will leave a very bad impression to serious users
# [16:38] <sonotos> it was advertised
# [16:38] <@shepazu> ok, so, we need to do something
# [16:38] <@ppk_> The real work will be done elsewhere, anyway.
# [16:38] <sonotos> people are coming, see just bullshit and leave
# [16:39] <@ppk_> This chat is just for answering newbie questions, I guess.
# [16:39] <_WiZZarD> serious users on irc will usually ignore crap when they see it
# [16:39] <sonotos> ppk_: not only
# [16:39] <@shepazu> ppk_: yes, and also for socializing and coordinating
# [16:39] <sonotos> serious user have an irc client
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# [16:39] <_WiZZarD> true
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# [16:39] <@ppk_> For serious coordinating I'd say we use a back channel.
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# [16:39] <mstalfoort> a lot of the first question were: "which ide is best"
# [16:39] <sonotos> i talk about the people coming over the webchat
# [16:39] <sonotos> i mean most of them are ok
# [16:39] <_WiZZarD> and: the more serious stuff being talked about, the less room for trolls to walk around\
# [16:40] <_WiZZarD> which makes it just easier to ignore them
# [16:40] <Tomato_> shepazu, this guy has been trolling this morning on the forums.
# [16:40] <@shepazu> ppk_: I'd prefer to avoid backchannel where possible
# [16:40] <@shepazu> Tomato_: which guy?
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# [16:40] <_WiZZarD> forumtrolls deserve a ip based ban imho
# [16:40] <@ppk_> shepazu: But eventually you, I, and some others will have to talk about my compat tables.
# [16:40] <sonotos> in theory yes
# [16:40] <Tomato_> Wax eagle, he was contributing a lot last night and seemed completely fine.
# [16:40] <Tomato_> Now he seems angry, and started posting topics asking people to leave the site.
# [16:40] <@ppk_> Do you want to do it here in an environment that can become a monkey cage any minute?
# [16:40] <sonotos> _WiZZarD: well most of them used the webchat
# [16:40] <_WiZZarD> then his drugs kicked in?
# [16:40] <sonotos> hard to ban
# [16:40] <Steve__> Hi everyone, first time here.. interesting subject, trolls. I think it's a term which people throw about a lot now - I think some people get called trolls who just simply are old fashioned 'newbs' and might be asking the wrong question.
# [16:41] <_WiZZarD> ah, buit those arent forum trolls sonotos
# [16:41] <_WiZZarD> ;)
# [16:41] <@shepazu> ppk_: yes, we do
# [16:41] <Tomato_> I banned him for self-advertising, but I can't see his IP and he's still posting as an anonymous user.
# [16:41] <@ppk_> shepazu: Hm.
# [16:41] <@ppk_> Not ideal.
# [16:41] * _WiZZarD hasn't used qweb in a while
# [16:41] <@ppk_> Anyway, there's always email.
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# [16:41] <@shepazu> yes
# [16:41] <_WiZZarD> but it should be possible to ban IP's from using it
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# [16:42] <@ppk_> Anyway, I don't set policy for webplatform.
# [16:42] <_WiZZarD> if needed I can dive into that
# [16:42] <sonotos> moin Tomato_ btw
# [16:42] <Tomato_> Hi sonotos~!~!
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# [16:42] <sonotos> well let's see i think shepazu is write, it will slow down with the time
# [16:42] <sonotos> right
# [16:42] <Nick_Zaccardi> How many serious users come through the webchat? 1/2 1/10 1/100
# [16:42] <@shepazu> _WiZZarD: are you volunteering to set up SSO and IP blocking for qwebirc?
# [16:43] <Nick_Zaccardi> Tough to estimate I am sure.
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# [16:43] <_WiZZarD> if i can figure it out again, i don't mind
# [16:43] <Wilto> Full disclosure: I, too, am a troll.
# [16:43] <_WiZZarD> got it working once
# [16:43] <_WiZZarD> should be doable again
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# [16:43] <_WiZZarD> it's basically just a crapload of python
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# [16:43] <Steve__> Why do trolls troll (serious question) I can't get my head around it
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# [16:43] <Kevin3> Nick_Zaccardi, what do you mean by "serious"?
# [16:44] <sonotos> Steve__: to get attention
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# [16:44] <@shepazu> Wiltroll: :D
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# [16:44] <Nick_Zaccardi> Kevin3: I mean, people who are interested in being a part of the community
# [16:44] <_WiZZarD> Steve__: why do little kids go from door to door and ring each bell, just to run away?
# [16:44] <ali> hi
# [16:44] <_WiZZarD> trolling is just the digitized form of that imho
# [16:44] <Steve__> So is it proven that all trolls are children?
# [16:44] <Steve__> If so, just have an age limit???
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# [16:45] <_cheney> pretty much, i did the same as a child
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# [16:45] <sonotos> it's the same patter like naughty kids
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# [16:45] <sonotos> no not only kids
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# [16:45] <webnick> Steve___: what age is the best to choose for this limit?
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# [16:46] <Powersource> on talk.webplatform.org/chat there is nothing telling us the irc adress to this server. i can figure it out but having it in plain text would be nice
# [16:46] <webnick> there's a link
# [16:46] <Steve__> Webnick, i play the devil's advocate, I don't believe all trolls are children
# [16:46] <vldcnst> Powersource: http://talk.webplatform.org/ ?
# [16:46] <desbenoit> webnick It's not a question of age, i know 50 yo trolls
# [16:47] <Grephix`dev> Powersource: http://www.freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml
# [16:47] <Grephix`dev> any of those servers
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# [16:47] <Steve__> So is 'how do we stop trolls in a community' a fair question ?
# [16:47] <webnick> thats also my opinion ;) and there are also young people who are no trolls
# [16:47] <Powersource> i know, but why not put irc.freenode.net #webplatform on the page
# [16:47] <Nick_Zaccardi> Steve__: That is an age old questions...
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# [16:48] <Nick_Zaccardi> People have been dealing with that since the early days of the internet.
# [16:48] <arkhi> I guess the webchat should be used as support through some chan like #webplatform-support, while the organization would be done somewhere else.
# [16:48] <arkhi> If this is explained on the chat page, then users would just reach the chan they're interested in and there would be less noise for everyone, eventually.
# [16:48] * Sandkorn yawns
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# [16:48] <arkhi> Steve__: Stop the community.
# [16:48] <Steve__> Personally I wish the internet had no spam and trolls, but then there are the other 50% of the global population who think differently
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# [16:49] <Steve__> arkhi- good idea :D
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# [16:49] <desbenoit> We are all trolls in hiding, it depends of the subject and the point of view.
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# [16:50] <desbenoit> The "new" effect will fade eventualy and till it's normal IMHO to face some troll.
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# [16:51] <VladimirKrstic> well hello
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# [16:51] <Steve__> Does anyone agree that GWT is far too complicated to be a useful tool?
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# [16:52] <Kevin3> Nick_Zaccardi, I think most of people want to know the aim of this website, and decide to being a part of the community if they can or if it is interesting. In fews days, only the serious people must stay.
# [16:52] <@shepazu> quick opinion polll: should I relabel "forums" to "q&a"?
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# [16:52] <desbenoit> shepazu yes.
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# [16:52] <_WiZZarD> in its current form: yes
# [16:52] <@ppk_> Yes.
# [16:53] <mstalfoort> yes
# [16:53] <Tomato> Yes.
# [16:53] <VladimirKrstic> okay, yes
# [16:53] <Tomato> Hahaha.
# [16:53] <webnick> yes
# [16:53] <sonotos> yes
# [16:53] <Steve__> How about wpdOverflow?
# [16:53] <Tomato> By the way, blocking doesn't work at all, so I just unblocked that guy and asked him to stop advertising.
# [16:53] <Tomato> He can still post though despite the block.
# [16:54] <arkhi> Tomato: Seems like the most civil way to do it. :)
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# [16:54] <desbenoit> indeed
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# [16:54] <Tomato> Oh well.
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# [16:54] <@shepazu> Tomato: blocking where?
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# [16:55] <tonymx227> msg
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# [16:55] <tonymx227> hi
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# [16:55] <Tomato> He was posting these topics on the forum, so I told divya about it and was told to try blocking him. So I tried on the wiki, that didn't work obviously, and I couldn't figure out how to block his forum account.
# [16:55] <arkhi> Tomato: (That meant “well done”)
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# [16:55] <Tomato> Thanks arkhi. :3
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# [16:56] <Tomato> or ban his forum account I should say.
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# [16:56] <@shepazu> Tomato, you mean Wax Eagle?
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# [16:56] <Steve__> can we disable joined/quit notifications ?
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# [16:56] <Maosud> hey guys
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# [16:56] <Tomato> Yeah.
# [16:56] <arkhi> Steve__: Depends on your client
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# [16:56] <Maosud> i have a question
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# [16:56] <Steve__> how would one do that?
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# [16:56] <Tomato> He was posting topics asking people to leave the forum to join Stack Exchange.
# [16:57] <@ppk_> Maosud: Ask
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# [16:57] <arkhi> Hello Maosud
# [16:57] <Maosud> how can i don't let a text in <p> dont get out of it , i mean line width ?????
# [16:57] <Steve__> web / Chrome
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# [16:57] <Tomato> Hi jkomoros.
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# [16:58] <Maosud> how can i don't let a text in <p> dont get out of it , i mean line width ?????
# [16:58] <@ppk_> Maosud: Sorry, I don't understand. What doesn't the text get out of?
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# [16:58] <Maosud> wait , i will show u
# [16:58] <arkhi> Maosud: It's always easier for others to answer with a code example. :)
# [16:58] <@ppk_> Please
# [16:58] <arkhi> ha
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# [16:59] <thonju> what's wrong
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# [16:59] <Sandkorn> everything. more cowbell is needet.
# [17:00] <Steve__> How can I disable joined/quit notifications when using the IRC web client, in chrome on a PC?
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# [17:01] <FFFix> test msg
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# [17:01] <phwd> Tomato: I got a notice that I was banned for sharing an IP with someone else
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# [17:01] <phwd> can you confirm?
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# [17:01] <@shepazu> Steve__: the web cient has limited options, if you want to hang out for real, you should use a regulr chat client
# [17:01] <Steve__> FFFix: msg received
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# [17:02] <Steve__> ah ha, thanks Shepazu
# [17:02] <Tomato> I only banned one person, although he was just unbanned because the block didn't work, there shouldn't be any blocks that were put up by me.
# [17:02] <Tomato> phwd
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# [17:03] <Maosud> guys see this
# [17:03] <Maosud> http://uploadpic.ir/up/images/1.png
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# [17:03] <phwd> Tomato: see this http://i.stack.imgur.com/V0n5H.png
# [17:03] <phwd> That's what I got when going for an edit
# [17:03] <Maosud> a text in <p> go out of it's width
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# [17:04] <Maosud> http://uploadpic.ir/up/images/1.png >> so what can i do to don't let a text get out of it's width ???
# [17:04] <Guest35539> hello!
# [17:04] <@ppk_> Now I get it.
# [17:04] <Steve__> Maosud: try - overflow:hidden;
# [17:04] <Steve__> in css
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# [17:04] <phwd> I don't know how the IPs get logged but... I'm currently in Bahamas on a small island @_@ (no joke)
# [17:04] <Maosud> ok , i will try now
# [17:04] <@ppk_> Maosud: There are no spaces or other breakpoint characters such as - in that line.
# [17:04] <arkhi> Maosud: Will it really happen that a word is going to be that long?
# [17:04] <@ppk_> So the browser can't break it off anywhere, and it's treated as one word.
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# [17:05] <@ppk_> Which sticks out of the <p>
# [17:05] <Maosud> yes , i want it automaticlly break the line
# [17:05] <@ppk_> overflow: hidden is one solution
# [17:05] <mstalfoort> you can do a "word-wrap: break-word;" in css Maosud
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# [17:05] <@ppk_> But this problem doesn't occur in real sentences because they have spaces.
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# [17:06] <Len_> exit
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# [17:06] <arkhi> overflow: hidden would also prevent anything to overflow, so use with caution.
# [17:06] <Maosud> guys thank you , overflow:hidden works , thanks a lot , i'm just 16 , so i don't have enough experience :D
# [17:06] <Maosud> thanksss
# [17:06] <Steve__> Maosud, see mstalfoort's answer
# [17:06] <Steve__> it's better
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# [17:07] <webnick> overflow: hidden just hides the overflow, there's no line-break then
# [17:07] <arkhi> Maosud, unless you're dealing with chinese or asian languages, best guess is you won't have such a problem in real life.
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# [17:07] <arkhi> So mstalfoort is probably a more flexible solution.
# [17:08] <Steve__> Here's a question - when isn't 'word-wrap: break-word' the browser default ?
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# [17:08] <mstalfoort> Steve__, cant answer that one ;)
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# [17:09] <@ppk_> Because it's never been the default.
# [17:09] <@ppk_> Backward compatibility.
# [17:09] <@ppk_> That's circular reasoning, but there you go.
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# [17:09] <arkhi> Steve__: I guess the default is to not break anything, ideally. :p
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# [17:09] <Steve__> sometimes backwards compatibility doesn't mean 'logical' - but I take the point :)
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# [17:10] <@ppk_> Backward compatibility is rarely logical.
# [17:10] <Sandkorn> Default: "Content exceeds the boundaries of its container." ( http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms531186(VS.85,loband).aspx )
# [17:10] <@ppk_> It's following what the other guy did because he did what he did.
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# [17:12] <webnick> maybe you should add "word-wrap: break-word; overflow: auto"
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# [17:12] <Tomato> Hey shepazu, not sure if you saw it but someone posted the same topic five times asking for tags to be forced on the forum so that questions do not get lost. Can that be done?
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# [17:13] <@shepazu> Tomato: I can look into it
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# [17:14] <Steve__> is it just me, or does the table on /svg 'hang over the edge'?
# [17:15] <Steve__> doesn't look very web 3.0
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# [17:15] <Xbooo> ola
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# [17:16] <Steve__> hi xbooo
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# [17:16] <phwd> Steve__: it does hang
# [17:16] <Powersource> lol TIL !!something in js turns the object into a boolean and inverts it, and then inverts it again
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# [17:17] <Munter_> Powersource: A fine way of testing truthiness of a value if you're in doubt
# [17:17] <Steve__> so.. do i just leave a comment above the table and tell someone to fix it?
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# [17:18] <Steve__> 'ask'
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# [17:18] <phwd> Steve__: ithink so
# [17:18] <ll__> hello
# [17:18] <phwd> Though the same applies for other tables in the Docs as well
# [17:19] <phwd> So maybe the table format needs to be switched for something else?
# [17:19] <mdel> this channel is a great idea, really glad to hear #webplatform is taking off
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# [17:19] <Andy> joooo
# [17:19] <Andy> hello
# [17:19] <Andy> I vave an problem
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# [17:20] <webnick> do u have more information andy?
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# [17:21] <wax_eagle> tomato: I'm not angry btw
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# [17:22] <wax_eagle> I'm also not trolling.
# [17:22] <Tomato> I know.
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# [17:22] <wax_eagle> cool. apologies for the repost.
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# [17:25] <kittens_> HI!
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# [17:25] <kittens_> Any admin help please
# [17:26] <kittens_> ^^
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# [17:26] <lampe2> hey how
# [17:26] <kittens_> what?
# [17:26] <kittens_> help plz
# [17:26] <kittens_> u admin?
# [17:26] <ralphholzmann> what do you need kittens_ ?
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# [17:26] <lampe2> are you still makeing the web fps game ? :D kittens_
# [17:27] <kittens_> lampe?
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# [17:27] <lampe2> no iam not an admin i just joind the chanell
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# [17:27] <kittens_> unban my nicks please
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# [17:27] <kittens_> why banned kitten^^ and kitten99?
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# [17:27] <kittens_> :(
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# [17:28] <kittens_> i think bad moderator is catsfobic
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# [17:28] <Tomato> catsfobic?
# [17:28] <lampe2> looool
# [17:28] <@Garbee> kittens_, Because your causing too much noise.
# [17:28] <mfer> anyone know who handles search on the wiki?
# [17:28] <kittens_> yes ha afraid and do not like cats
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# [17:28] <kittens_> u banned me?
# [17:28] <Steve__> How should I reference TCP from the /concepts/internet_and_web/how_does_the_internet_work (TCP has a stub page already)?
# [17:28] <mfer> i've found a bug where a search result can show up multiple times. not sure where to report it
# [17:28] <Tomato> mfer, what is your question about wiki searches. o;
# [17:29] <kittens_> why? :(((
# [17:29] <Tomato> Oh okay, mfer, you can check out this page for filing bugs: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Filing_Bugs
# [17:29] <phwd> Did you get all the information you needed about your 2D platform game?
# [17:29] <kittens_> i want start open project open game
# [17:30] <mfer> @Tomato thanks
# [17:30] <kittens_> how do?
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# [17:30] <kittens_> i just need help with developing
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# [17:30] <lampe2> kittens_, we are no teachers !
# [17:30] <Tomato> mfer, this is the direct link for posting a new bug: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=webplatform.org
# [17:30] <phwd> Right though you were given some links yesterday, didn't they work out?
# [17:31] <mfer> thanks
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# [17:31] <kittens_> project need few developers
# [17:31] <kittens_> and one designer
# [17:32] <kittens_> lgpl v3 + CC
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# [17:32] <kittens_> will be
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# [17:32] <lampe2> okay i stop feeding the troll ..
# [17:32] <erKadam> wht's up
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# [17:32] <Kashi> wow so many ppl out here already
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# [17:32] <kittens_> oh i think can use sounds and textures of other open games
# [17:32] <@shepazu> Tomato: I changed some options for the QA, I hope that helps with the spam
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# [17:33] <webnick> hi lampe2
# [17:33] <@shepazu> now I'm answering some forum questions
# [17:33] <lampe2> hi webnick
# [17:33] <kittens_> Why github have not compilled programms?
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# [17:33] <erKadam> hi
# [17:33] <Tomato> shepazu, thanks a ton, I appreciate it. The spam was pretty consistent last night, lol.
# [17:33] <kittens_> i just not see there are
# [17:33] <mdel> kittens_: thats a question for github support
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# [17:34] <phwd> Just read the instructions in the README of the repo for how to compile
# [17:35] <kittens_> Recommend good website please with html/js developers?
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# [17:35] <kittens_> sourceforge have compiled programms
# [17:35] <kittens_> i want download and atart programm
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# [17:35] <kittens_> i not have compile
# [17:35] <@Garbee> kittens_, GitHub can have compiled programs as well. It is all up to the devs to push one.
# [17:35] <kittens_> i not want compile
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# [17:36] <@Garbee> We can't help because you don't want to compile. Any issues with projects not related to webplatform.org we can't help with.
# [17:36] <kittens_> stop ban cat nick please^^
# [17:36] <kittens_> cats nicks
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# [17:37] <webnick> lampe2, did u solve ur problem?
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# [17:37] <lampe2> webnick, sort of :D with jquery mobile
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# [17:37] <Tomato> psst sonotos.
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# [17:37] <Tomato> Hi wax_eagle.
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# [17:38] <webnick> did u test it on a iDevice?
# [17:38] <@Garbee> kittens_, You are asking something so completely vague that there is no real way we can help. Also you shouldn't be soliciting for developers to help on a project in here.
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# [17:38] <sonotos> Tomato: hm?
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# [17:38] <Matin_> Helo
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# [17:38] <arkhi> Woudln't a bot with shortcuts to http://jsfiddle.net/ and the like would help moderators.
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# [17:38] <Matin_> I need To Help !!
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# [17:39] <arkhi> for the offtopic chan, then.
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# [17:39] <Tomato> sonotos, I bet you want to help me sort 149 pages that got sorted into the wrong category. (;
# [17:39] <@Garbee> arkhi, A bot where?
# [17:39] <sonotos> Tomato: which ones?
# [17:39] <Matin_> Any one to help me ???
# [17:39] <kittens_> Garbee?
# [17:39] <kittens_> what u mean about developers?
# [17:39] <arkhi> Garbee: anywhere you're tired of repeating the same thing all over again. :)
# [17:39] <kittens_> game will be open
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# [17:40] <kittens_> project need developers
# [17:40] <@Garbee> kittens_, It may be, but you were asking for developers and designers to help earlier and that shouldn't be done.
# [17:40] <sonotos> we should write a script for such tasks :-)
# [17:40] <kittens_> cose i only start learning
# [17:40] <arkhi> Just suggestions, I don't have a proper server that would allow me to do this.
# [17:40] <@Garbee> arkhi, Oh, don't worry, I'm working on a helper bot for this channel.
# [17:40] <arkhi> Cool. :)
# [17:40] <@Garbee> I just have one thing to get done first which is this outline for the dev tools content.
# [17:41] <lampe2> haha make this bot funny. Garbee
# [17:41] <kittens_> garbee its u banned kittens nicks
# [17:41] <kittens_> unban please
# [17:41] <Tomato> Garbee, you know what would be a really awesome IRC bot? One that shows the edits on the wiki, possibly in another channel but it makes watching recent changes really easy.
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# [17:41] <kittens_> Your question will be checked and approved shortly. why?
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# [17:41] <sonotos> Tomato: definitly in another channel
# [17:41] <Tomato> Yeah it would spam a lot obviously, lol.
# [17:42] <sonotos> think that would be flooding als hell
# [17:42] <@Garbee> lampe2, How do you make a bot funny?
# [17:42] <sonotos> especially when we perform special categorization tasks
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# [17:43] <lampe2> first of all thx Garbee and i dont know just with funny answers when stupid question comes :)
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# [17:43] <@Garbee> lampe2, Nah. It is just for utlities. Like saying @@jsfiddle in ##twitter-bootstrap it will link to a jsfiddle to be used.
# [17:43] <kitten123> Garbee why?!?!??! WHY U BAN MA ALL TIME!??!?!?
# [17:43] <kitten123> :((((
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# [17:43] <kitten123> i abuse
# [17:44] <@Garbee> kitten123, Cut the crap or I'm going to ban you outright.
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# [17:44] <lampe2> Garbee, ahhh a link bot :)
# [17:44] <@Garbee> No more warnings.
# [17:44] <Huhuhu> ggg
# [17:44] <kitten123> why?
# [17:44] <kitten123> reason?
# [17:44] <kitten123> :(
# [17:44] <@shepazu> kitten, please stop trolling
# [17:44] <kitten123> i said i will abuse on u
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# [17:45] <sonotos> lol
# [17:45] <@Garbee> Can we ban someone using the webclient?
# [17:45] <Tomato_> sonotos, it can be a little hard to see edits between all the registration.
# [17:45] <@Garbee> It looks like we can w/o affecting others...
# [17:45] <Tomato_> Figured the bot would be nice, but maybe registration will slow down soon.
# [17:45] <Grephix`dev> Garbee: nope, not really
# [17:45] <@shepazu> I'm goign to take the web client down for the day
# [17:45] <Grephix`dev> Not possible.
# [17:45] <@shepazu> until we figure out a better solution
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# [17:46] <@Garbee> shepazu, http://test.jonathangarbee.com/ --My recommendation.
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# [17:46] <asg_> hi
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# [17:46] <Sandkorn> dont /mode commands work within the web client?
# [17:46] <@Garbee> It links over to Freenodes web client if people want to use that.
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# [17:46] <yarali06> nabıyonuz gençler
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# [17:46] <kittens3211> shipasu u ll death^^
# [17:46] <kittens3211> :)
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# [17:47] <kittensmeow> MEOW!
# [17:47] <Grephix`dev> Ah good, Garbee
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# [17:47] <mattl_> could you make it so the channel requires you to be a registeed freenode user
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# [17:47] <Grephix`dev> The Freenodes webclient actually passes an IP address
# [17:47] <Tomato_> Poor Garbee.
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# [17:47] <@Garbee> Damn invasion of kittens!
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# [17:48] <Grephix`dev> mattl: one could
# [17:48] <@Garbee> I need to get my dog in IRC to take care fo them.
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# [17:48] <aedf> MEOW!
# [17:48] <Grephix`dev> however, many people in here never heard of IRC
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# [17:48] <Grephix`dev> Would dramatically decrease join count..
# [17:48] <@Garbee> Wack-a-troll.
# [17:48] <Grephix`dev> people not knowing how to register, etc.
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# [17:48] <arkhi> Grephix`dev: Would that be a bad thing?
# [17:49] <Grephix`dev> arkhi: not sure.
# [17:49] <@ppk_> I'd also say we're looking for less people here, not more.
# [17:49] <mdel> i dont think so... registration is easy
# [17:49] <mdel> and if you are here, and you find it helpful, you should register
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# [17:49] <Grephix`dev> however, why wudn't we use the freenode web client?
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# [17:49] <Grephix`dev> That actually passes the IP address in the hostname
# [17:49] <rggh> MEOW!
# [17:49] <YsenGrimm> hey erveryon
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# [17:49] <YsenGrimm> everyone
# [17:49] <Grephix`dev> 504f2bae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.79.43.174
# [17:49] <rggh> hi!
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# [17:49] <Grephix`dev> makes it possible to ban by IP
# [17:49] <arkhi> Keep the log publicly available, so that people can see if they're interested.
# [17:49] <arkhi> Then explain how to register.
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# [17:50] <sonotos> Grephix`dev: well just hash the ip for data protection reasons
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# [17:50] <meow_> MEOW!
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# [17:50] <sonotos> then it's ok
# [17:50] <_cheney> still think removing the web client is the best idea
# [17:50] <@Garbee> That was probably the wrong person...
# [17:50] <@ppk_> Yes
# [17:50] <Tomato_> Hahaha.
# [17:50] <Tomato_> It was.
# [17:50] <Tomato_> Lol.
# [17:50] <webnick> explaining how to register on the page where the webclient is at the moment would be the best solution i think
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# [17:51] <@Garbee> ugh, Freaking troll.
# [17:51] <sonotos> Garbee: was right to
# [17:51] <Tomato_> It's okay, I accidentally did it earlier with wax_eagles IP, it blocked someone else on accident. ):
# [17:51] <@Garbee> I think I may just +m the room until we get things figured out.
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# [17:51] <meow1> MEOW!
# [17:51] <Grephix`dev> [17:44:20] <sonotos> Grephix`dev: well just hash the ip for data protection reasons < hash the IP?
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# [17:51] <aaa> what is this place?
# [17:51] <Grephix`dev> And how would you do that?
# [17:51] <sonotos> sha1
# [17:51] <Grephix`dev> It's the freenode webclient that passes the IP address
# [17:51] <Grephix`dev> We ourselves have no control over that
# [17:51] <mdel> why would you hash the IP
# [17:51] <wax_eagle> @Tomato_ you blocked a bunch of people :)
# [17:52] <Tomato_> They are all unblocked now!
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# [17:52] <Tomato_> I'm sorry!!
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# [17:52] <sonotos> Grephix`dev: thought we were talking about the webplatform chat
# [17:52] <wax_eagle> @Tomato_ no problemo :).
# [17:52] <Alex_______> Hello! How make bot on JavaScript?
# [17:52] <Grephix`dev> sonotos: we are
# [17:52] <_cheney> try ##javascript
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# [17:53] <aaa> ##javascript
# [17:53] <sonotos> Grephix`dev: it's hostet by webplatform.org write? should not be to hard to patch it
# [17:53] <Alex_______> its harde?
# [17:53] <sonotos> s/write/right
# [17:53] <_cheney> difficulty is relative
# [17:53] <aaa> its stupid
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# [17:54] <Alex_______> I need bot for reenter on this chat cose moderator ban me all time^^
# [17:54] <Grephix`dev> [17:47:11] <sonotos> Grephix`dev: it's hostet by webplatform.org write? should not be to hard to patch it
# [17:54] <Grephix`dev> I was suggesting to link to the freenode IRC web client
# [17:54] <Grephix`dev> which automatically passes the IP adress of the connecting user
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# [17:54] <Grephix`dev> As does every other IRC client
# [17:54] <Grephix`dev> Grephix`dev is ~Dennis@lb1.cluster.grephix.nl * Dennis
# [17:54] <Grephix`dev> passes the reverse DNS of my hostname
# [17:54] <sonotos> Grephix`dev: ah ok got it
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# [17:55] <Alex_______> MEOW!^^
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# [17:55] <Grephix`dev> As the freenode IRC web client passes the IP adress we are able to ban by IP
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# [17:55] <Grephix`dev> Instead of just ban by nickname (which can be changed)
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# [17:55] <dsfligj> hi
# [17:56] <NotTomato> Hi dsfligj.
# [17:56] <aaa> you should ban the users network adapter directly
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# [17:56] <Grephix`dev> lol aaa
# [17:56] <Grephix`dev> if only that were possible
# [17:56] <aaa> or kill him with an electric pulse an instantly
# [17:56] <dsfligj> garbee i need help please
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# [17:57] <NotTomato> aaa, we can do that now?
# [17:57] <@shepazu> ok, disabled
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# [17:57] <@shepazu> http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/
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# [17:57] <aaa> yeah in the EU they want to force users to register with their real name only
# [17:57] <Grephix`dev> GOOD GOOD
# [17:57] <Grephix`dev> -caps
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# [17:57] <aaa> so there it is, problem solved
# [17:57] <webnick> :)
# [17:58] <dsfligj> and what problem?
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# [17:58] <dsfligj> M
# [17:58] <sonotos> aaa: well one solved million others created
# [17:58] <dsfligj> E
# [17:58] <dsfligj> O
# [17:58] <dsfligj> W
# [17:58] <dsfligj> !
# [17:58] <mdel> /whois bvasko
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# [17:58] <vldcnst> damn cats.
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# [17:59] <@Garbee> vldcnst, Not cat, just troll.
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# [17:59] <Sandkorn> bye folks.
# [17:59] <Grephix`dev> Garbee: as the chat is disabled, why not completely ban web chatclients now?
# [17:59] <bvasko> yes?
# [17:59] <hk_> hi friends!
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# [17:59] <NotTomato> Hi hk_.
# [17:59] <mdel> cats are evolving into trolls. because of all the gifs.
# [17:59] <hk_> i need develoeprs for our open project please
# [18:00] <@Garbee> Grephix`dev, Because there are some real people using it. I will look into it real quick though in case that one troll comes back again.
# [18:00] <aaa> here is my idea: bad users by their OS/browser client id
# [18:00] <hk_> Garbee i not troll
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# [18:00] <hk_> hey?!?!
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# [18:00] <aaa> so lets say when some guy from an apple iOS is trolling
# [18:00] <Grephix`dev> aaa: which is not possible
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# [18:01] <aaa> let other apple users being kicked too
# [18:01] * Garbee sets mode: +b *!*@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/*
# [18:01] <NotTomato> Another solution might be to make the channel voice only, and ask users to PM you for voice if they need to talk. At leasst.. until the traffic calms down, obviously not constantly.
# [18:01] <NotTomato> least*
# [18:01] <@Garbee> That should handle anyone new coming in.
# [18:01] <mdel> i think all of these half-measures are pointless. ban webchat, real people who want to participate can use a client and register with freenode
# [18:01] <@Garbee> People already connected get to stay.
# [18:01] <Ordona> Either voiced or they mut have a registered name
# [18:01] <miketaylr> "Sorry guys, no progress was made on the platform this year--still figuring out how to deal with trolls from irc."
# [18:01] <Ordona> must*
# [18:01] <@Garbee> mdel, We have for the time being.
# [18:02] <@Garbee> We completely took it down.
# [18:02] <sonotos> miketaylr: rofl
# [18:02] <mdel> miketaylr: lol this
# [18:02] <@Garbee> and by we I mean shepazu.
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# [18:02] <mdel> Garbee: all webchat, or just the one on the site?
# [18:02] <andrewjbaker> miketaylr, exactly.
# [18:02] <NotTomato> shh, miketaylr!!
# [18:02] <@shepazu> I have disabled the webchat for now… let's revisit the trolling problem when it arises
# [18:02] <NotTomato> don't tell them.
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# [18:02] <@Garbee> mdel, We blocked the problem one, which was the one from webplatform.org/chat
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# [18:03] <@shepazu> other trols we can deal with by banning them based on IP
# [18:03] <mdel> yeah I saw, I just assumed persistent trolls would find other means
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# [18:03] <@Garbee> Great, the troll is pming me now.
# [18:03] <NotTomato> Hahaha.
# [18:03] <Ordona> That's why /ignore exists
# [18:03] <mdel> ^
# [18:03] <@Garbee> Unless that is the user I accidentally kicked earlier thinking it was the troll...
# [18:03] <@ppk_> Does it say meow?
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# [18:04] <@shepazu> ok, at some point, talking about trolls is trolling...
# [18:04] <@Garbee> No, it is defending kitten, which is good enough for me to kick from here.
# [18:04] * sdfa was kicked by Garbee (sdfa)
# [18:04] <@Garbee> Ok, troll talk done.
# [18:04] <@Garbee> It should all be handled now.
# [18:04] <mdel> anyone ever have those trolls with the gems in their stomach
# [18:04] <mdel> as a kid, of course
# [18:04] <@shepazu> mdel: please.
# [18:05] <mdel> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2220/2392237019_01cecd96f8.jpg
# [18:05] <@shepazu> let's get back to discussions of web dev and the site
# [18:05] <mdel> those things. I always picture them when discussing annoying users on IRC
# [18:05] <mdel> but yes, agreed :)
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# [18:05] <@ppk_> Maybe a short status report?
# [18:05] <@ppk_> Edits committed, quality of those edits, that sort of thing?
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# [18:06] <eternicode> -_- this auto-logout bug ended with me posting an answer as anonymous, with no option to claim it afterwards.
# [18:06] <@shepazu> eternicode: have you filed a bug?
# [18:06] <eternicode> shepazu, I believe it's a known bug.
# [18:07] <@shepazu> eternicode: a forum bug?
# [18:07] <eternicode> yeah
# [18:07] <@shepazu> eternicode: can you please comment on the bug with that particular problem (reclaiming answers?)
# [18:07] <@shepazu> we'll try to solve it as soon as we can
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# [18:08] <eternicode> if I can find the bug, sure. (If not, I'll submit it afresh with the comment)
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# [18:08] <@shepazu> thanks, eternicode
# [18:09] <vldcnst> webnick: we really care.
# [18:10] <webnick> thats why i wrote this. lol
# [18:10] <arkhi> Good night all...
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# [18:15] <NotTomato> shepazu, your filter is catching comments you make. :x How does the spam filter work?
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# [18:16] <@shepazu> NotTomato: sorry, busy right now
# [18:16] <NotTomato> Okay no problem.
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# [18:27] <@shepazu> Garbee: I like the wording you used for the chat page… may I use that?
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# [18:35] <@Garbee> shepazu, Go right ahead.
# [18:35] <@Garbee> I made that as an example page to give to you guys to replace the one with just a chat window.
# [18:36] <@Garbee> I did tl;dr first since that is all most people will need. Anyone who doesn't get it can read the fluff on the rest of the page.
# [18:37] <@shepazu> thanks, Garbee
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# [18:44] <NotTomato> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges the wiki is being attacked by a vandal, trying to get the abusefilters to block him so I don't have to keep watching.
# [18:44] <NotTomato> If anyone else is good with abusefilters.
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# [18:46] <Serrata> i'm assuming the page is still safe if I follow that link
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# [18:46] <Serrata> oh god, thats was the changes link, nevermind I'm not on the ball
# [18:48] <NotTomato> Hahaha.
# [18:48] <Serrata> I reserve the right to be stupid as long as I'm not making changes
# [18:49] <NotTomato> It's no big deal, wikis take time to get used to. My first time encountering a wiki was pretty bad.
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# [18:50] <Jayflux> paul_irish how do you go about using boilerplate with bootstrap, do you use that initiator? (or w/e its called)
# [18:50] <BRampersad> Hello guys
# [18:50] <@paul_irish> initializr
# [18:51] <@paul_irish> yes
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# [18:51] <@paul_irish> there is also kickstrap which seems nice
# [18:51] * @Garbee prefers initializr
# [18:52] <_cheney> so initalizr merges bootstrap css and boilerplate html?
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# [18:52] <BRampersad> Anyone here uses bootstrap?
# [18:52] <BRampersad> or foundation.
# [18:52] * @Garbee uses Bootstrap.
# [18:52] <_cheney> i'm using bootstrap
# [18:53] <@Garbee> I also mod ##twitter-bootstrap, so if you have any questions relating directly to that you can hop in there.
# [18:53] <@Garbee> I know a few devs who like Foundation. I actually know one that is trying to merge Bootstrap and Foundation into one super-framework.
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# [18:54] <_cheney> so many front-end tools popping up, hard to keep track
# [18:55] <_cheney> not to mention the js frameworks
# [18:55] <BRampersad> Yikes. that sounds big
# [18:55] <mdel> i've been working with bootstrap a lot
# [18:56] <mdel> the featureset is great, I wish it was 1) SASS based and 2) semantic grid
# [18:56] <_cheney> foundation is sass based
# [18:57] <_cheney> there's this http://thesassway.com/projects/sass-twitter-bootstrap
# [18:57] <Nick_Zaccardi> Foundation is nice, but Bootstrap takes the W for quantity
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# [18:57] <_cheney> doesn't seem updated though
# [18:57] <mdel> yes, I do use the sass port
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# [18:57] <BRampersad> What are some of your favorite websites to help with webdev?
# [18:57] <BRampersad> Like kuler etc
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# [18:59] <mdel> I want something like bootstrap that allows separate between components and layout
# [18:59] <@Garbee> I tend to see SASS ports of Bootstrap having issues.
# [18:59] <@Garbee> Then people come into ##tw-bs to complain about it. :/
# [18:59] <mdel> i want something pluggable - I want to be able to drop in my own grid system, add jQuery UI for modals, etc
# [18:59] <@paul_irish> hey mdel
# [19:00] <mdel> hay there
# [19:00] <michael_> last week i was think about why dont use 2 css files one for layout and one just for style and at the next project i think i will try it
# [19:00] <@Garbee> mdel, You may want to bring that kind of functionality up in the Bootstrap issue tracker to start a discussion for it.
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# [19:01] <mdel> Garbee: I don't see the bootstrap project moving away from LESS any time soon
# [19:01] <@Garbee> mdel, Yea, they won't.
# [19:02] <@Garbee> I like that part because I can drop the less files on my server and pick just the ones I need. From there add a custom less file to make changes and boom. Automatic CSS generation on any update from there on out.
# [19:02] <@Garbee> But I think what you want requires a bit more flexibility than just that.
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# [19:02] <@Garbee> paul_irish, How is your throat today?
# [19:03] <@paul_irish> bad
# [19:03] <@paul_irish> going to doctors now
# [19:03] <mdel> :(
# [19:03] <@Garbee> Throat removal, that is going to be a pain.
# [19:03] <NotTomato> paul_irish, is your nose runny? I got sick last week with a sore throat too and so did most of my town apparently.
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# [19:04] <NotTomato> It was just amazing because everyone I knew got the same sickness.
# [19:04] <NotTomato> Even if I wasn't visiting them.
# [19:04] <@Garbee> must refrain from bad joke...
# [19:04] <NotTomato> Something weird going around.
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# [19:04] <NotTomato> Shh Garbee!!
# [19:04] <mdel> lol
# [19:06] <mdel> imagine bootstrap, built on compass
# [19:06] <mdel> susy for semantic grids
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# [19:06] <mdel> jQuery UI for modals and other interactive jawns
# [19:07] <@Garbee> I honestly didn't like jQuery UI until just about a week or so ago.
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# [19:09] <lampe2> i must work right now with jquery mobile and what strange it dont has vertical sliders :D
# [19:09] <@Garbee> jquery mobile?
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# [19:09] <@Garbee> hmm... Haven't seen this before.
# [19:09] <klaus-br> Hello guys
# [19:10] <NotTomato> Hi klaus-br.
# [19:10] <lampe2> Garbee, it is for tablets and phones. its really nice for simple uis
# [19:10] <mdel> i find jQuery mobile too "overbearing" in how it forces you to do things
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# [19:11] <mdel> i havent used it in a while though
# [19:11] <@Garbee> Yea, I'm seeing that now. I haven't built anything specifically for those device types yet so I will keep an eye on this in case I need it in the future.
# [19:11] <klaus-br> I need one small help. You recommend specif Jquery Framework to developer Games?
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# [19:12] <lampe2> mdel, yes sometimes it is to much what it does but i got used to it
# [19:12] <mdel> klaus-br: three.js has gotten a lot of attention lately for 3D capabilities
# [19:12] <klaus-br> Good
# [19:12] <@Garbee> klaus-br, I just found this, haven't used it though so can't speak to it: http://gamequeryjs.com/
# [19:12] <mdel> klaus-br: not jQuery-based though
# [19:12] <klaus-br> Ok, no problems
# [19:13] <klaus-br> Thank you for the responses
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# [19:13] <klaus-br> Go to code and come back to notices. See later!
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# [19:13] <lampe2> klaus-br, if yoi want 3d and jquery code styling try http://jeromeetienne.github.com/tquery/
# [19:14] <thock> return this does not a pattern make
# [19:14] <klaus-br> Ok
# [19:14] <justinBeaudry> klaus-br: Google Maple.js as well.
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# [19:15] <klaus-br> I Good. I analise in the past this project (Google Maple)...
# [19:16] <lampe2> i never understood why node.js is so cool :D
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# [19:16] <klaus-br> I like soo much the site of tquery API
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# [19:16] <justinBeaudry> klaus-br, if you do find any good game server API's would mind pm'ing me them?
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# [19:17] <klaus-br> Yes justin
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# [19:17] <klaus-br> The tquery need WebGl
# [19:17] <klaus-br> :(
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# [19:18] <@Garbee> Ok, can anyone explain what WebGL is supposed to be in like two sentences?
# [19:18] <@Garbee> I have seen it and tried to read about what it does but I just still haven't had it click.
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# [19:20] <lampe2> Garbee, WebGL is OpenGL for browsers. so it is a 3D engine for browsers if you want so
# [19:20] <@Garbee> lampe2, Ok, That makes sense to me knowing what OpenGL is.
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# [19:20] <lampe2> Garbee, so that you can render 3d objects with your graphicscard not the cpu
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# [19:21] <lampe2> on the low level it is a api for your GPU
# [19:21] <klaus-br> lampe2 good explanation
# [19:21] <@Garbee> So why is it bad that tquery needs WebGL?
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# [19:22] <@Garbee> That sounds like a great thing.
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# [19:22] <lampe2> Garbee, it isent bad. the problem is the support of the browsers is not very good right now
# [19:22] <webnick> i think because webGL is not supported in all browsers, isn't it?
# [19:22] <klaus-br> Garbee, it is not good for me only
# [19:22] <@Garbee> Ah, support ofc.
# [19:22] <lampe2> in chrome you must force it to use it on linux :)
# [19:23] <@Garbee> Wouldn't the GPU also need to support this though?
# [19:23] <klaus-br> My pc isn't new
# [19:23] <@Garbee> Or does the browser become the interlayer to the GPU?
# [19:23] <lampe2> Garbee, every gpu can opengl since 199X :)
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# [19:24] <klaus-br> Garbee, in the firefox, that not show the examples
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# [19:24] <@Garbee> lampe2, Oh perfect. So then the only systems not supported we don't even want on the internets anymore.
# [19:24] <webnick> yes, the gpu has to support it, but see lampe2 's anwser
# [19:24] <klaus-br> but in the google chrome it execute normal
# [19:25] <@Garbee> Sweet thanks for that info guys. I have heard that being talked about and just never really got it. Then again I'm not a JS person, I quite honestly hate JS (personal stuff, not as tech since that is actually pretty great.)
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# [19:25] <webnick> google chrome was the first browser to support it i think, don't know if ff supports webGL in the final version right now
# [19:25] <lampe2> Garbee, i hate plain JS to but coffeescript and jquery are really great !
# [19:25] <tsingh> and this is just for my own info, do ios/android do any webgl support
# [19:26] <@Garbee> lampe2, I *always* use jquery if possible. But I hate writing things even in that. I find plugins and let people tell me how to call stuff.
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# [19:26] <lampe2> can i use webgl >>>> http://caniuse.com/webgl
# [19:26] <_cheney> raw javascript skills are becoming more important then ever
# [19:26] <lampe2> haha Garbee i do it so too :) but sometimes there are no plugins
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# [19:26] <_cheney> tons of jobs wanting it
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# [19:27] <@Garbee> And when there are no plugins, I tend to rethink what I'm doing.
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# [19:27] <@Garbee> Unless I *really* need it which hasn't happened yet. But I guess when it does one day that will force me to actually learn some jquery.
# [19:27] <tsingh> thanks, for the link
# [19:27] <lampe2> its funny blackberry can do webgl :D
# [19:27] <webnick> so its partially supported in ff and fully supported in ff mobile, interesting.
# [19:28] <Jayflux> WHat happened to the RoR hype, I don't hear much of it now.
# [19:28] <Grephix`dev> sup
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# [19:28] <_cheney> it's all about nodejs these days
# [19:28] <lampe2> Jayflux, iam a RoR guy :)
# [19:28] <Jayflux> haha really _cheney
# [19:28] <plamoni> _cheney +1
# [19:28] <Jayflux> lampe2 happy with it
# [19:28] <Jayflux> ?
# [19:28] <PatrickE> I never really got the hang of node.js
# [19:28] <tsingh> I like RoR. but have not been at a place that uses it any more
# [19:29] <PatrickE> Is it javascript serverside?
# [19:29] <lampe2> Jayflux, yes ! if i must do php now i would cry :)
# [19:29] <_cheney> i don't grasp node either but i'm really trying D:
# [19:29] <webnick> nodejs is serverside, normal js is clientside
# [19:29] <_cheney> yes js on the server
# [19:29] <Jayflux> tsingh same, im starting to think it was all just hype
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# [19:29] <_cheney> running in chromes V8 js engine
# [19:29] <PatrickE> What's the win with it?
# [19:29] <tsingh> node.js. is javascript like but can do the sockets and push to client stuff
# [19:30] <Jayflux> any django heads in here while im on the topic?
# [19:30] <plamoni> node.js: it lets frontend developers get backend development jobs!
# [19:30] <Jayflux> may aswell include everyone
# [19:30] <tsingh> like a long running script can push status using the open stocket
# [19:30] <PatrickE> that's a good argument
# [19:30] <tsingh> not haveing to make polling requests
# [19:30] <justinBeaudry> plamoni: +1. I'm living example. :)
# [19:30] <_cheney> the intro paragraph here gives you an idea http://nodejs.org/
# [19:30] <eternicode> Jayflux, django here.
# [19:30] <PatrickE> that's sound nice though
# [19:30] <Jayflux> eternicode ive been playing/learning it. I really enjoy it actually
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# [19:31] <eternicode> cool.
# [19:31] <PatrickE> But then you would need a hosting supporting node.js?
# [19:31] <Jayflux> _cheney isn't it single threaded?
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# [19:31] <plamoni> PatrickE: heroku.com
# [19:31] <eternicode> taking advantage of the docs, I hope? ;)
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# [19:31] <_cheney> yeah it is Jayflux
# [19:31] <Jayflux> _cheney whats with that?
# [19:31] <tsingh> i think nodejs has a high learning curve. and if i had not done a lot of js work back before the libs it would worse.. at least i imagine
# [19:31] <_cheney> i'm unsure :\
# [19:32] <_cheney> there's also nodejitsu.com for hosting
# [19:32] <PatrickE> plamoni: Thanks! Looks awesome, might try it :)
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# [19:32] <milani> tsingh, it is actually js callbacks and prototypes which make it a little difficult for beginners
# [19:33] <Jayflux> eternicode do you use it for work? or just a messing about thing/yourself
# [19:33] <lampe2> sry but iam a ruby guy and i like good looking code and when i see js i just scream inside the samething with java code :D
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# [19:33] <_cheney> there's always things like coffeescript
# [19:34] <eternicode> Jayflux, work. One client uses it as a frontend for users to manage their cloud hosting stack, another uses OSQA for their support site.
# [19:34] <eternicode> Jayflux, but also fun :)
# [19:34] <milani> lampe2, it is just developers! you can write clean code with js and dirty code with ruby!
# [19:34] <lampe2> _cheney, yes ! and i thank the coffeescript guys every day
# [19:34] <eternicode> " iam a ruby guy and i like good looking code" I'm a python guy and I like readable code :D
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# [19:35] <_cheney> read JavaScript: The Good Parts
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# [19:35] <_cheney> it's like a style guide
# [19:35] <lampe2> milani, yes
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# [19:35] <Jayflux> I have to agree with eternicode python is very readable lampe2
# [19:35] <sandroid> weehh, server upgrade from lenny to squeezy finally done
# [19:36] <lampe2> eternicode, __something__ is this really good readable ? but i dont wanne start her a ruby vs python cat fight ;)
# [19:36] <milani> anyway, I think #webplatform is about frontend
# [19:36] <milani> ;)
# [19:36] <eternicode> lampe2, picking underunders as your straw man, eh?
# [19:36] <milani> so you are left with js alone :))
# [19:36] <@Garbee> milani, Yes it is.
# [19:36] <lampe2> :D
# [19:37] <eternicode> lampe2, how about all that "optional" punctuation in ruby? ;)
# [19:37] <Jayflux> lampe2 its mainly magic methods that have them afaik
# [19:37] <Jayflux> in otherwords, the built in stuff
# [19:37] <lampe2> eternicode, thats freedom haha
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# [19:37] <lampe2> okay guys lets stop ! ruby is great python is great !
# [19:37] <eternicode> lampe2 yeah because everyone needs optional punctuation right
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# [19:38] <lampe2> eternicode, i dont like ";"
# [19:38] <eternicode> lampe2, agreed, both are tools, just a matter of preference which is used ;)
# [19:38] <eternicode> lampe2, python doesn't use semicolons -- in fact, linters highlight it when you do D:
# [19:39] <lampe2> eternicode, yes, i really like django !
# [19:39] <Jayflux> yeah was gonna say, not sure where he's getting ';' from but it aint python
# [19:39] <eternicode> javascript, probably
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# [19:39] <lampe2> the ";" comes from my love(ironie) to Java :)
# [19:40] <eternicode> I tried to understand ruby/rails once, long ago. It had too much magic for my taste. "Explicit is better than implicit", as the pythonistas say.
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# [19:40] <lampe2> when i ever and i mean EVER have to write a documentstreamreader thingy i will jump out the window !
# [19:41] <eternicode> hehe
# [19:41] <lampe2> eternicode, the problem is most people start wrong! they dont start with ruby and then go to ror :)
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# [19:41] <@Garbee> lampe2, I hope it is only from a 3rd story or lower. I would hate for you to become a pancake.
# [19:41] <@Garbee> Or is it second story...
# [19:41] <Jayflux> thats cause of the boom of RoR and the inpatience of humans lampe2
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# [19:42] <eternicode> lampe2, maybe. Fortunately, I was the frontend dev for that project, didn't *have* to mess with the ruby much. Afterwards I tried going through some ruby tutorials. Still didn't like what I saw.
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# [19:42] <plamoni> thought folks would appreciate this: Standards compliance, for the win: http://flic.kr/p/divXsk
# [19:42] <lampe2> Garbee, i was working on a java webstart project.... a bad one ... and omg how i hate java now ...
# [19:42] <eternicode> Of course, I was already knee-deep in python at the time.
# [19:43] <lampe2> eternicode, my first language was ruby! i learnd for one year ruby only :)
# [19:43] <eternicode> lampe2, My first language was PHP ;D
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# [19:43] <plamoni> My first language was ABASIC --- i don't know why we don't use that anymore...
# [19:44] <lampe2> eternicode, your poor little guy :D
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# [19:44] <sandroid> my first language was qbasic and then some obscure thing for the comodore amiga
# [19:44] <tsingh> ohhh dear.. this topic is scary
# [19:44] <eternicode> lampe2, I know :) I steer far clear of PHP jobs these days.
# [19:44] <eternicode> <3 Python
# [19:44] <Jayflux> eternicode PHP here too
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# [19:44] <lampe2> can someone make a song about all the Basic language
# [19:44] <sandroid> it would be short since it would goto 10 :P
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# [19:45] <eternicode> sandroid, 10 stanzas, that's not exactly a short song...
# [19:45] <lampe2> ehh
# [19:45] <eternicode> (my jargon may be off...)
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# [19:45] <lampe2> srz to post this in german but her is a list: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Programmiersprache_Basic
# [19:46] <lampe2> i see more then ten
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# [19:46] * plamoni sings 10 BASIC, oh BASIC, where did you goto? 20 BASIC, oh BASIC, how I miss you! 30 BASIC, oh BASIC, you were the first language I ever INPUT; 40 BASIC, oh BASIC, I'm glad you're kaput! ... goto 10.
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# [19:46] <lampe2> lol
# [19:46] <eternicode> haha
# [19:46] <tsingh> nice!
# [19:46] <tsingh> hehe
# [19:47] <lampe2> 10 == 2
# [19:47] <Jayflux> true
# [19:47] <sandroid> :P
# [19:47] <fr0zenice> btw, basic programmers don't die, they just GOSUB and don't RETURN
# [19:47] <sandroid> oh my amos basic :) that would be the obscure amiga one then :)
# [19:47] <milani> :))
# [19:47] <fr0zenice> basic as a first here too, on a small learning computer when I was 7ish
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# [19:48] <fr0zenice> it could save 5 listings :o
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# [19:48] <lampe2> my first computer was one with norton commander as "os" :D
# [19:48] <plamoni> i totally learned on an Apple IIc, but we didn't know how to save programs to a floppy (because I was like 7 at the time), so every time you restarted the computer, you lost whatever you'd programmed… :-(
# [19:48] <sandroid> c64 breadbox :)
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# [19:49] <milani> fr0zenice, u r abt 25 now. right?
# [19:49] <fr0zenice> yeah
# [19:49] <milani> ;)
# [19:49] <fr0zenice> exactly even :P
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# [19:50] <fr0zenice> I noticed many wiki articles had syntax errors (loose braces and such), wonder if I should fix them when I see them or leave them, because the article will be edited several times anyway...
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# [19:51] <@Garbee> fr0zenice, If you feel like taking the time, please go in and make the edit real fast.
# [19:51] <eternicode> fr0zenice, if you don't fix them... who will? D:
# [19:51] <fr0zenice> I see... :P
# [19:51] <@Garbee> Every little edit helps, especially with imported material like that.
# [19:52] <fr0zenice> yeah, some bits are really messed up
# [19:53] <fr0zenice> first http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:Random hit aaaand error.
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# [19:54] <fr0zenice> should bookmark the random specialpage
# [19:54] <plamoni> so i have a question…. some material seems to be direct-copied from WikiPedia (e.g. http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/programming/javascript/history )…. but doesn't CC BY require that those articles be attributed to wikipedia? Or is my "i'm not a lawyer" showing?
# [19:55] <eternicode> oh, speaking of the wiki -- there are currently at least three articles on /html/attributes/bgcolor with similar content (and same story on several other attributes, too). I looked at combining them yesterday, but quickly got overwhelmed (I'm *not* a wiki editor...). Any recommendations? Reading, etc.
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# [19:56] <_cheney> i'd flag it or cc the content
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# [19:57] <fr0zenice> there seems to be some info here: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:External_Attribution
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# [20:06] <leaverou> we're on HTML5 weekly http://html5weekly.com/archive/58.html :)
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# [20:06] <plamoni> _cheney: so, in the case of the History of JS page, clicking "edit" brings up a warning saying, "This page already exists, but it does not use this form.", I'm not sure if using the flagging tools in there would overwrite the whole page or not
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# [20:06] <plamoni> is there a proper technique for flagging such pages?
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# [20:08] <fr0zenice> there's a checkbox at the bottom of the editing form "Is under CC-BY-SA license"
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# [20:09] <fr0zenice> or the div with the special class (see WPD:External_Attribution link)
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# [20:09] <plamoni> yeah, i saw that WPD thing
# [20:10] <plamoni> but wikipedia isn't listed
# [20:10] <plamoni> so we can't use the special div for that
# [20:10] <plamoni> and i don't see the checkbox you're referring to
# [20:10] <plamoni> sorry, i'm a bit of a wiki-n00b
# [20:11] <@Garbee> plamoni, I have edited in a few wiki systems, and this one with its customizations throws me off.
# [20:12] <fr0zenice> so many fields ^^
# [20:12] <@Garbee> I can't really help though since I'm still drafting an outline of things I'm going to add. :/
# [20:12] <fr0zenice> I mean the checkbox at the very bottom of http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=concepts/programming/javascript/history&action=formedit
# [20:13] <plamoni> fr0zenice: yeah, i see that, but i'm concerned about the warning at the top
# [20:13] <plamoni> if i save using that form, will it just full-out replace the whole page?
# [20:13] <fr0zenice> yeah seems the page must be converted first
# [20:13] <fr0zenice> but also the WPD guide states: An article should have the CC-BY-SA configuration box checked in the "Edit with Form" page if and only if there are some <div class='license-cc-by-sa'> blocks in the article.
# [20:13] <fr0zenice> and Only sites in the canonical list of external attribution sites may have CC-BY-SA content ported over.
# [20:13] <@Garbee> plamoni, Honestly, I'd say do it because we can always revert the changes. and if we can't the system is broken.
# [20:13] <fr0zenice> so... yeah
# [20:14] <plamoni> Garbee: okay, will give it a try
# [20:14] <fr0zenice> how I read it is, copying from wiki is not allowed
# [20:14] <fr0zenice> (*wikipedia)
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# [20:15] <@Garbee> fr0zenice, Wikipedia uses CC-BY-SA 3.0. I don't see any reason we couldn't get content from there.
# [20:16] <fr0zenice> what about "Only sites in the canonical list of external attribution sites may have CC-BY-SA content ported over."?
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# [20:16] <@Garbee> fr0zenice, Can you link me that list please?
# [20:16] <fr0zenice> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:External_Attribution#Dealing_with_CC-BY-SA_content
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# [20:17] <@Garbee> There is no list though...
# [20:17] <fr0zenice> scroll up :P
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# [20:18] <plamoni> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Property:External_Attribution_Source
# [20:18] <@Garbee> ah.
# [20:18] <_cheney> edit it, add more :P
# [20:18] <plamoni> don't have permission :-)
# [20:18] <@Garbee> Well, "and some others" could fill it in.
# [20:18] <plamoni> must be protected :-)
# [20:18] <_cheney> doh
# [20:18] <fr0zenice> nope Garbee, plamoni linked the full list
# [20:18] <@Garbee> I'm going to pull content in from Google's Dev Network, that is CC-BY-SA.
# [20:19] <@Garbee> Yea, I see the list now, and it isn't really "full" since there is "and some others" in there.
# [20:19] <plamoni> the properties page should be a complete list, though
# [20:19] <fr0zenice> nah, the Property: link
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# [20:20] <plamoni> so we need an admin to add wikipedia to that, unless there's a reason not to
# [20:20] <@Garbee> ah, just DevOpera added.
# [20:20] * @Garbee sighs.
# [20:20] <@Garbee> I think that is a stupid setup.
# [20:21] <fr0zenice> dunno, I can understand the "not wanting to deal with multiple licenses" part
# [20:21] <@Garbee> No, I get that fully.
# [20:21] <@Garbee> Just the way they display this list.
# [20:21] <@Garbee> I will write up my thoughts and shoot it into the mailing list.
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# [20:21] <@Garbee> Well, later. I'm too lazy to do it right now.
# [20:22] <fr0zenice> that seems to be the way of the customizations, that Property: fills the checkboxes for "Sources:" at the bottom of the edit form
# [20:22] <plamoni> Garbee: is there a public mailing list?
# [20:22] <@Garbee> plamoni, Yea let me get the link for you.
# [20:22] <fr0zenice> wondering that as well now :P
# [20:22] <plamoni> cool, tha nks
# [20:22] <plamoni> thanks*
# [20:23] <@Garbee> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/
# [20:23] <fr0zenice> thx
# [20:23] <@Garbee> Have fun subscribing.
# [20:24] <@Garbee> ^^sarcasm in case you missed it.
# [20:26] <fr0zenice> nothing special ^^
# [20:27] <lampe2> test
# [20:27] <fr0zenice> success!
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# [20:30] <@shepazu> hi, folks, any emergencies I need to deal with?
# [20:30] <mdel> all quiet for now
# [20:31] <@shepazu> mdel: thanks :)
# [20:31] <mdel> im out of green tea :(
# [20:32] <@Garbee> shepazu, None that I know of. But *THANK YOU* for taking the webchat down. :D
# [20:32] <lampe2> my internet connection is messing with me....
# [20:32] <odinho> That helped a lot. Much nicer to read the channel now.
# [20:33] <@Garbee> So, any thoughts on this: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cmlYgFpNCZIY4EMbyIDvJZpjyYonMjWw-HeXgvN50TY/edit
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# [20:34] <@Garbee> shepazu, You thoughts on the structure would be greatly appreciated ^^
# [20:34] <@Garbee> your*
# [20:35] <_cheney> great idea
# [20:35] <_cheney> i'd love to read that "scripts" section to learn about breakpoints
# [20:36] <@Garbee> You can now: https://developers.google.com/chrome-developer-tools/docs/scripts-breakpoints
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# [20:36] <_cheney> awesome, thank you
# [20:37] <_cheney> are you just going to mirror the content over?
# [20:37] <@Garbee> Yea, I'm just going to basically import that with some self-taken screenshots and let that be the base to start with.
# [20:37] <@Garbee> I don't want to copy their screenshots or other materials like that.
# [20:38] <@Garbee> But, the text is fine to copy.
# [20:38] <_cheney> could start with brief summaries and a link to the chrome dev site
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# [20:39] <_cheney> just to get a skeleton of it going
# [20:39] <@Garbee> Well, I'm planning a basic rush import. So I'm going to wait about 3 or 4 days and try to get feedback on the structure, and then when I go to import I will do it as one big swath.
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# [20:39] <_cheney> that sounds much faster
# [20:40] <@Garbee> Yea, I'm a quick importer. I just want to see what others think of the structure and setup and give input if they think something is better.
# [20:40] <@Garbee> That way I don't go setting it all up just to realize later I really messed up the structure somehow and need to go in and move things or do whatever.
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# [20:41] <_cheney> makes sense
# [20:41] <@shepazu> Garbee: do we know we have permission to copy that article?
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# [20:41] <@Garbee> shepazu, It is CC-BY-SA and Paul said we would be good to do it last night.
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# [20:42] <@shepazu> Garbee: we are really trying hard to avoid importing CC-BY-SA content
# [20:42] <@Garbee> I'm not copying images since that is Google material iirc.
# [20:42] <@shepazu> if that's something that Google owns, then let's get formal approval from them to import it, so we don't have to use that license
# [20:43] <@Garbee> Why are you trying not to import that type of content?
# [20:43] <@shepazu> Garbee: it's no the type of content, it's the license
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# [20:44] <@shepazu> CC-BY-SA is viral, it harms reusability, and it means we have to maintain more (and more confusing) license info
# [20:44] <@Garbee> Alright, well I will talk with Paul later then and see if he could work on getting the permission needed. If he can't, then we will just write it all ourselves.
# [20:44] <@shepazu> thanks, Garbee
# [20:44] <@shepazu> maybe file a bug, or note it on the public list
# [20:44] <@Garbee> Np. I'm all for reducing complexity.
# [20:44] <@Garbee> Especially on license information.
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# [20:46] <@Garbee> Oh, it isn't even SA it seems. It is only CC-BY. But I don't think dropping that really makes a difference.
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# [20:46] <@shepazu> Garbee: no, that does make a difference
# [20:46] <@shepazu> CC-BY is okay
# [20:47] <@Garbee> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ --There exact license.
# [20:47] <@Garbee> Even the images actually, so if we really wanted to just use those we could.
# [20:47] <@shepazu> Garbee: that is our license too…. I need to make that clearer
# [20:47] <@Garbee> https://developers.google.com/readme/policies --Full policy.
# [20:47] <@Garbee> I think a link in the footer to the license of the site would suffice. Almost everyone (including myself) looks there.
# [20:48] <@shepazu> Garbee: disregard what I said then, but please do provide source attribution
# [20:48] <@shepazu> yup
# [20:48] <@Garbee> Yea, I would have put a link to attribute them since they did the initial work. We will import and expand on their work.
# [20:48] <@Garbee> But they do deserve credit for the work.
# [20:49] <NotTomato> What should I do about people posting job offers in the Q&A? Just reject?
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# [20:49] <@Garbee> So now I just wait a few days for some feedback on the structure. I will probably send out an email in the list to see if anyone there has any input and ask in here a time or two tomorrow to try and get fresh eyes on it.
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# [20:50] <@Garbee> I would reject. I don't think that is the place for that type of stuff.
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# [20:50] <NotTomato> Okay thanks Garbee~
# [20:50] <@Garbee> There are plenty of places for people to post things about jobs.
# [20:51] <@shepazu> agreed
# [20:51] <@shepazu> we don't want to be an accidental job broker
# [20:51] <@Garbee> and deal with the legal stuff that could come from it.
# [20:51] <NotTomato> Yeah true.
# [20:52] <NotTomato> I just like to double check with you guys to make sure I'm not doing anything too stupid.
# [20:52] <@shepazu> NotTomato: appreciated
# [20:53] <lampe2> this is something i dont get about webgl on linux: http://s7.postimage.org/sstyw6vtn/Screenshot_from_2012_10_10_20_40_45.png
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# [20:54] <@Garbee> lampe2, I think in Chrome it is a flag that needs to be set.
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# [20:54] <lampe2> i bot start with: --enable-webgl --ignore-gpu-blacklist
# [20:54] <_cheney> works for me in ubuntu w/chromium
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# [20:54] <@Garbee> It is supposed to be more stable, which I don't think WebGL is yet from what you guys were saying earlier as far as browser support.
# [20:55] <lampe2> +h
# [20:55] <@Garbee> lampe2, Check chrome://flags/ and search for WebGL.
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# [20:55] <@Garbee> Disable WebGL is in my chrome on Windows. Turned off by default it seems.
# [20:56] <lampe2> oh
# [20:56] <lampe2> you are right
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# [20:56] <volkmar_eigler> hi there
# [20:56] <volkmar_eigler> did anyone see sz0ka today ?
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# [20:57] <lampe2> but why does --enable-webgl dont work ?
# [20:57] <@Garbee> lampe, Chrome is meant to be more stable. Chromium is more lenient on things. and Canary is "F you, we are doing as we please." mode.
# [20:57] <@Garbee> I can't say why that one doesn't work. Perhaps a bug?
# [20:57] <plamoni> keep in mind there are potential security implications with webgl… bugs in drivers can lead to remote code execution volunerabilities…. though i'm pretty sure no one is actually exploiting this in the wild because it would own like 3 machines out of a million :-P
# [20:57] <plamoni> i think that's why chrome disables by default
# [20:57] <mdel> no canary on linux, chromium is the bloodiest edge we get
# [20:58] <lampe2> plamoni, i must write a short assay about web gl :)
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# [20:58] <@Garbee> I still don't get why there is no Canary on Linux.
# [20:58] <mdel> me either
# [20:58] <mdel> last i read it was something like "we dont feel like building it"
# [20:58] <plamoni> ask paul_irish?
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# [20:59] <lampe2> if you look at the versions chromium for ubuntu 12.10 is 20 and chrome is 22
# [20:59] <@Garbee> I think it is just time. Building a new Canary build for Linux would take quite a bit more effort than for Mac and Windows.
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# [21:00] <@Garbee> lampe2, Chromium comes from Canonicals servers unless you add a PPA for faster updates. Chrome is from Google's repo's so ofc it is more up-to-date.
# [21:00] <lampe2> i know Garbee
# [21:01] <plamoni> also, lampe2, all the cool kids use macs...
# [21:01] <mdel> but but... my mac runs linux...
# [21:01] <lampe2> plamoni, i know :D
# [21:02] <lampe2> elementary os luna is the best os for me right now its a mix of ubuntu windows and osx
# [21:02] <lampe2> still in version 0.2 but i love it
# [21:02] <lampe2> and i cant find a uptodate ppa for chromium ...
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# [21:03] <@Garbee> mdel, No they don't.
# [21:03] <@Garbee> They run on BSD (DarwinBSD iirc to be exact.) Which runs on Unix.
# [21:03] <@Garbee> Oh, nvm. I read your sentence wrong.
# [21:04] <plamoni> lampe2: watching a video on elementry os luna… looks pretty
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# [21:04] <@Garbee> btw, Does anyone want SublimeTextOS ? If Google can make a browser and OS why can't my text editor be one?
# [21:04] <lampe2> plamoni, yeah but look for a newer video they really got things done in the last month
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# [21:05] <lampe2> sublimetext is from google_
# [21:05] <lampe2> ?
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# [21:05] <@Garbee> No, but the premise still remains.
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# [21:05] <plamoni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AjDkDl5Pos ?
# [21:06] <lampe2> plamoni, he has installed a black theme
# [21:07] <lampe2> http://elementaryos.org/journal/meet-gala-window-manager plamoni
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# [21:09] <@Ryan_Lane> posted about how we built things: http://blog.webplatform.org/2012/10/building-web-platforms-infrastructure/
# [21:09] <@Ryan_Lane> for those interested in the infrastructure side of things
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# [21:10] <PatrickE> Never seen elementary before, downloading it now
# [21:10] <PatrickE> looks great
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# [21:12] <lampe2> but keep in mind elementery luna is in development right now! and elementery Jupiter is out of date !
# [21:12] <lampe2> PatrickE, what version are you downloading?
# [21:13] <mstalfoort> looking into it atm Ryan_Lane
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# [21:15] <PatrickE> Im only gonna run it in VMWare, which one do you think I should download? Luna or Jupiter?
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# [21:16] <@Garbee> Ryan_Lane, How is Piwik holding up?
# [21:16] <@Ryan_Lane> Garbee: seems to be going fine so far
# [21:16] <@Ryan_Lane> it's slow in updating its stats, i'll say
# [21:16] <@Garbee> I learned on a shared web host it breaks down after so much traffic. It really needs some dedicated resources.
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# [21:16] <@Ryan_Lane> well, it's running on 5 application servers, load balanced
# [21:17] <@Ryan_Lane> and we cache the javascript
# [21:17] <@Garbee> Wow, 300 requests a second.
# [21:17] <lampe2> at the mac users her can you prof that font rendernig thing her: http://arunoda.me/blog/font-rendering-mac-vs-ubunut.html ???
# [21:17] <@Ryan_Lane> 300-350 at peak
# [21:17] <@Ryan_Lane> load currently is much less
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# [21:17] <@Garbee> Well yea, it isn't exactly new now. ;)
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# [21:18] <@Ryan_Lane> we're currently overprovisioned with 5 app servers: http://monitor.webplatform.org/ganglia/?m=load_one&r=hour&s=descending&c=app&h=&sh=1&hc=4&z=small
# [21:18] <@Ryan_Lane> you can see the peaks here: http://monitor.webplatform.org/ganglia/?m=load_one&r=week&s=descending&c=app&h=&sh=1&hc=4&z=small
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# [21:19] <@Garbee> Did they provide extra resources for the launch?
# [21:19] <@Ryan_Lane> we're using cloud services
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# [21:19] <@Ryan_Lane> so, we added extra instances for launch
# [21:19] <@Ryan_Lane> we'll likely kill 2-3 off soon
# [21:19] <ctoveloz[BR]> Elementary OS Luna is best for web developers?
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# [21:20] <@Garbee> Ok, I see 1 bots server. Could you please elaborate on what this one does a bit?
# [21:20] <@Garbee> I don't see that one mentioned further down.
# [21:21] <@Ryan_Lane> it runs the irc bot that logs the channel
# [21:21] <lampe2> ctoveloz[BR], there is nothing like the best os
# [21:21] <@Ryan_Lane> I don't like irc bots from a security POV
# [21:21] <@Ryan_Lane> so I split it away from everything else
# [21:21] <@Garbee> Oh, is that really all it does?
# [21:21] <@Ryan_Lane> yep
# [21:21] <@Ryan_Lane> we'll run other bots there too
# [21:21] <@Ryan_Lane> that's it for now, though
# [21:21] <@shepazu> Garbee: http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/
# [21:22] <@Garbee> I'm looking into setting up a bot for the chatroom that will give us quick-links. Like we give a command and it spits out a meta phrase or something.
# [21:22] <@Garbee> I'm looking into one called supy that another chatroom I hang out in used for a while. It had some cool additional features.
# [21:22] <@shepazu> Garbee: there's a WikiMedia guy that had the same idea
# [21:22] <ctoveloz[BR]> currently use windows at home, at work mac
# [21:23] <@Garbee> http://sourceforge.net/projects/supybot/
# [21:23] <@Ryan_Lane> yeah, we have one in #wikimedia-labs
# [21:23] <@shepazu> Garbee: I'm all for improving the bot capabilities, like leaving messages, keeping karma, etc
# [21:23] <@Ryan_Lane> it's nice for answering frequent questions
# [21:23] <@Garbee> Ryan, or for giving common links real fast.
# [21:23] <@shepazu> Garbee: maybe you can patch wp-logger?
# [21:23] <@Ryan_Lane> yep
# [21:23] <lampe2> ctoveloz[BR], i think for web development the os is not so important. sublime text 2 is a good edtior you can install it on every platform
# [21:24] <mdel> there are a ton of bots that do that, but the wikimedia one works well
# [21:24] <@Ryan_Lane> we also need to spit deployment logs into the #webplatform-dev channel
# [21:24] <@shepazu> I would like to avoid bot-escalation
# [21:24] <mdel> deployment logs?
# [21:24] <@Ryan_Lane> mdel: when we deploy code to the site
# [21:24] <@shepazu> too many bot spoils the soup… I'd like a single bot that does different things
# [21:25] <ctoveloz[BR]> lampe2, i already use the sublimetext
# [21:25] <mdel> Ryan_Lane: got ya
# [21:25] <@Ryan_Lane> shepazu: that's difficult :)
# [21:25] <andrewjbaker> "To chat about Web Platform, visit the Freenode.net #webplatform channel using your IRC client." ?
# [21:25] <lampe2> :)
# [21:25] <andrewjbaker> Try and steer people towards on-topic discussion.
# [21:25] <ctoveloz[BR]> but I wanted something like the MAC
# [21:25] <@Garbee> shepazu, is wp-logger the bot you guys are using now?
# [21:26] <@shepazu> yeah
# [21:26] <@Garbee> If someone doesn't mind sharing the code with me I can look into it. Be warned I have poor actual programming skills.
# [21:26] <@shepazu> Garbee: it's LumberJack… see the blog
# [21:27] <@shepazu> geez, is this day 3 already?
# [21:27] <@Garbee> I will get to it in a bit then. Sitting at frontend cache now.
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# [21:29] <andrewjbaker> "Here are a few IRC clients for different platforms:" -> "Here are a few IRC clients for different operating systems:" The word platform is already being used extensively elsewhere.
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# [21:33] <@Garbee> andrewjbaker, But we could add one that runs on Adobe Air, or the Windows RT environment. Those aren't exactly OSes.
# [21:33] <@Garbee> Or sadly a java-based IRC client could be added. So platform covers all possible expansion.
# [21:34] <lo_> pretty soon, you'll boot up your computer and it'll just be iTunes
# [21:34] <@Garbee> lo_, I would accept death at that ponit.
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# [21:34] <@Garbee> point*
# [21:34] <lo_> garbee: yep :)
# [21:34] <EHLOVader> please tell me you have an IRC client for my nintendo...
# [21:34] <EHLOVader> like the google maps I use... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rznYifPHxDg
# [21:34] <@Garbee> EHLO, Which one?
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# [21:35] <lo_> http://www.flickr.com/photos/complete_bastiaan/259256485/
# [21:35] <lo_> irssi on nintendo ds
# [21:35] <andrewjbaker> Garbee: You make a good point; I'd still like to see an alternative word to platforms there tho', if possible.
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# [21:38] <mdel> "Here are a few IRC clients"
# [21:38] <mdel> problem solved :)
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# [21:41] <lars__> Hi
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# [21:41] <Remataklan> hello, does anyone how can I edit the table in http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/properties ?
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# [21:42] <lars__> i wanted to ask of which is the best way to do sql queries and data with html5
# [21:42] <lars__> Php or javascript
# [21:42] <lars__> or dart
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# [21:43] <fr0zenice> Remataklan that table is generated from http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Category:CSS_Properties
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# [21:43] <NotTomato> Remataklan I am PMing you. o;
# [21:44] <lars__> i wanted to ask of which is the best way to do sql queries and data with html5, Php or javascript or dart
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# [21:44] <Neto> where do you wanna do the query's?
# [21:44] <EHLOVader> ah so that table is not going to follow the style guide and table info here? http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Manual_Of_Style/Tables
# [21:44] <Neto> server side or client side
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# [21:46] <lars__> server side
# [21:47] <Neto> if you wanna access a database like MySQL, sqlite you must use PHP or a server who can use something like node.js to use javascript
# [21:47] <lars__> which do you recommend
# [21:47] <lars__> i want to make a modern webshop
# [21:47] <Neto> if you wanna access the session storage or local storage in the browser then javascript ...
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# [21:48] <fr0zenice> EHLOVader: it's generated via a template, I guess NotTomato can tell you more
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# [21:48] <EHLOVader> k
# [21:48] <Neto> depends of the server provider you gonna use, if they can provide you php or node.js
# [21:49] <_WiZZarD> shepazu: still lurking around?
# [21:49] <Neto> or if you gonna use your own server then you decide on your team skills ...
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# [21:51] <EHLOVader> WPD is built on mediaWiki right?
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# [21:51] <fr0zenice> EHLOVader the docs yes, check http://blog.webplatform.org/2012/10/building-web-platforms-infrastructure/
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# [21:52] <EHLOVader> ah from the blog... gotcha
# [21:52] <EHLOVader> didn't think to look there, will read up
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# [21:55] <lars__> thanks
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# [21:55] <lars__> i think php is safer for mysql
# [21:57] <andrewjbaker> I personally wouldn't consider creating a modern webshop from scratch.
# [21:57] <fr0zenice> http://php.net/manual/en/mysqli.real-escape-string.php is your friend, or better yet http://php.net/manual/en/mysqli.prepare.php
# [21:58] <lowlevel> theres a lot of them just pooping out wordpress sites for big cash
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# [22:10] <gigwattzz> Should we add XHR, Long-Polling, Iframing etc to "Other concepts" within the Javascript section?
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# [22:10] <gigwattzz> paul_irish, you there ?
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# [22:16] <gigwattzz> Also, why is most of the JavaScript pages listed as concepts, there not concepts?
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# [22:22] <gigwattzz> divya, paul_irish, ppk_, Ryan_Lane, shepazu, tobie : Please fix the Google+ link as it points to the Google+ internal sandbox, see: http://www.webplatform.org/stewards/google/
# [22:23] <@shepazu> gigwattzz: will do
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# [22:30] <fr0zenice> who should I bug with more internal issues of the docs (e.g. formedit)?
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# [23:00] <ctoveloz[BR]> someone in canda?
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# [23:05] <Rchristiani> canada here
# [23:05] <ctoveloz[BR]> Rchristiani, hi
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# [23:46] <Garbee> Ryan_Lane, I'm looking at SupyBot ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/supybot/ ) which I have seen in use and another dev I know recommended. I think if I can just get the logs accessible from the web then it would be better to use this than try to addon to Lumberjack.
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# [23:50] <@Ryan_Lane> Garbee: making them accessible from the web isn't hard
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# [23:50] <@Ryan_Lane> the bot server can have a web server, if necessary
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# [23:50] <@Ryan_Lane> or we can share the logs off to the application servers
# [23:50] <Garbee> Ryan, Yea my thing is figuring out how to build the page to read/display the logs that is all. First I need to figure out how the logs are formatted.
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# [23:51] <Garbee> I'm getting a little traffic together from another room to do testing with.
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# [23:51] <Garbee> I kinda don't like the current logs anyways because it doesn't seem very easy to get old logs.
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# [23:51] <Garbee> Unless I am missing some functionality besides search.
# [23:52] <@Ryan_Lane> no. the current logs aren't great
# [23:52] <@Ryan_Lane> it's put into a database
# [23:52] <@Ryan_Lane> and the view of the database isn't wonderful
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# [23:53] <Garbee> Well I'm actually RTFMing for once before I hit a wall. Another thing I like about Supybot is some of the additional modules for it. They can do some fun stuff.
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# [23:55] <sethetter> What IRC client do you guys use? I'm on Mac and currently using freenode's webchat.
# [23:55] <Garbee> I use Xchat.
# [23:55] <Garbee> LimeChat is great though for Mac. It is basically a web page so is super easy to style.
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# [23:55] <sethetter> Garbee: Awesome, I'll check out LimeChat. Thanks :)
# [23:55] <Garbee> http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/ --Has a nice list plus a link to Wikipedia for even more.
# [23:56] <RobertPItt> Is it just me or is the webplatform site slugish :/
# [23:56] <RobertPItt> Seems like it could do with some optimizations
# [23:56] <@Ryan_Lane> RobertPItt: what's specifically sluggish?
# [23:56] <RobertPItt> Load Time
# [23:56] <@Ryan_Lane> some pages aren't being cached in the frontend cache
# [23:57] <@Ryan_Lane> due to a special page inclution
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# [23:57] <@Ryan_Lane> RobertPItt: right right, but can you give me specific pages?
# [23:57] <@Ryan_Lane> are *all* pages slow?
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# [23:58] <RobertPItt> all, for example, homepage takes around 2s to respond, seems like the DB+PHP may be whats slowing things down.
# [23:58] <@Ryan_Lane> RobertPItt: oh. are you logged in?
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# [23:58] <RobertPItt> yes
# [23:58] <@Ryan_Lane> that's mediawiki for you
# [23:58] <@Ryan_Lane> if you are logged in you bypass frontend cache
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# [23:59] <RobertPItt> i was thinking more about Nginx and Sphinx to help speed things up on the backend
# [23:59] <@Ryan_Lane> nginx wouldn't help much
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# [23:59] <RobertPItt> Whats the bottleneck
# [23:59] <@Ryan_Lane> sphinx would only help search
# [00:00] <RobertPItt> DB?
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