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  1. # Session Start: Wed Oct 10 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #webplatform
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  4. # [00:00] <Flpms> What thinking about selective loading for html5
  5. # [00:00] <sonotos> ok, i think i should read first some docu about mediawiki / wiki syntaxt / guidelines
  6. # [00:00] <YsenGrimm> by folks
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  9. # [00:00] <Romario> Boa noite
  10. # [00:00] <@paul_irish> shepazu: can we add more moderators to the forums? how is that done? i have a few people in mind already
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  14. # [00:01] <Tomato> shepazu, http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Template:Flags on this page it says to click edit to see the flags, but I can't click edit anywhere and it's hard to navigate to, is there any way to make it so we can push "view source"?
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  18. # [00:02] <Nick_Zaccardi> So I am wondering. I am looking at the HTML page on the docs... to what detail should we add. It talks briefly about the Background, but I doubt we want to give a full history of HTML. Thoughts?
  19. # [00:02] <AWSullivan> Okay... so webplatform.org is an irc channel? ;)
  20. # [00:02] <mstalfoort> ppk_, awesome fronteers again this year, had a very good time again
  21. # [00:03] <@Garbee> AWSullivan, An IRC channel is one part of it.
  22. # [00:03] <@Garbee> It is *so* much more.
  23. # [00:03] <@Garbee> But, do feel free to love us anyways.
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  25. # [00:03] <AWSullivan> <3
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  28. # [00:03] <@shepazu> paul_irish: ultimately, once we get the SSO working, all admins will be forum admins too
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  31. # [00:04] <@shepazu> but in the meantime...
  32. # [00:04] <@paul_irish> :)
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  34. # [00:04] <sonotos> shepazu: what are you using? x.509 certs
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  36. # [00:05] <@Garbee> Hopefully I can have things tidied up at the shop here so I can chat the rest of the night. See you guys in hopefully 30 minutes.
  37. # [00:05] <justinBeaudry> I left the room via my client and now I'm no longer a mod. :(
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  40. # [00:05] <deblan_> Hi! On which server the chan is please?
  41. # [00:05] <sonotos> it's possible to give access levels for chans to registered users
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  44. # [00:05] <@paul_irish> deblan_: freenode
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  46. # [00:06] <@paul_irish> sonotos: what do you mean
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  49. # [00:06] <deblan_> thanks
  50. # [00:06] <yerson> hi :)
  51. # [00:06] <sonotos> paul_irish: if you want to give persistent op rights to users you can increase their access level in a channel
  52. # [00:06] <sonotos> shepazu: is founder he has the highest
  53. # [00:07] <@paul_irish> yeah i plan on doing that
  54. # [00:07] <sonotos> ah ok
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  60. # [00:08] <deblan> a true irc client :)
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  65. # [00:09] <Tomato> shepazu, if subpages are enabled, can't people just add the mediawiki language tags after a page to start translating? For example like.. CSS/jp for a japanese page.
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  68. # [00:09] <Hidoussi> Hi
  69. # [00:10] <Agm114K2A> Hey
  70. # [00:10] <be> i create a chat like this with js
  71. # [00:10] <ThatGuyMeho> that tha hell is web platform
  72. # [00:10] <be> in realtime
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  76. # [00:10] <sonotos> is webplatform defined als everything that runs in the browser or would be content about server side programming languages also interesting?
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  78. # [00:10] <ThatGuyMeho> be this is an irc chat so it definatly involves more than just js
  79. # [00:11] <mstalfoort> sonotos, primary focus is frontend
  80. # [00:11] <Agm114K2A> You can probably make something with JS that works with an IRC server
  81. # [00:11] <sonotos> mstalfoort: thx
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  83. # [00:11] <be> not
  84. # [00:11] <be> my solution is more simple
  85. # [00:11] <sonotos> Agm114K2A: not as long the irc server has no http interface
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  87. # [00:12] <ThatGuyMeho> well you could use ajax chat
  88. # [00:12] <Agm114K2A> I'm terrible at front end stuff, mostly backend. I hired a designer for my site
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  90. # [00:12] <be> jus i update a procedure of a database for every 5 seconds
  91. # [00:12] <sonotos> s/no/a
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  93. # [00:12] <Agm114K2A> Sonotos: true, so yeah it'd be something in there that pushes it via http
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  96. # [00:13] <@shepazu> everyone welcome paul_irish, pretender to the throne!
  97. # [00:13] <mstalfoort> there has been a discussions about adding backend languages, but merely in a short informative way and click to other sites with more info about the specific lang
  98. # [00:13] <@paul_irish> lol
  99. # [00:13] <Agm114K2A> Sonotos: php or something
  100. # [00:13] <waldir> is there a procedure for requesting admin rights at the wiki?
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  102. # [00:13] <sonotos> Agm114K2A: yes i think so
  103. # [00:13] <be> to script the procedure i use php with mysql
  104. # [00:14] <@paul_irish> waldir: not yet.. what do you want admin for
  105. # [00:14] <be> just 50 lines of code.
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  109. # [00:14] <waldir> paul_irish: there are some pages that need deleting, and general cleanup
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  111. # [00:15] <waldir> paul_irish: I have been an active editor and administrator at Wikipedia and several other wikis
  112. # [00:15] <waldir> I just want to help :)
  113. # [00:15] <@paul_irish> waldir: sounds awesome :) sure let me dig around
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  116. # [00:16] <Agm114K2A> I'm getting the vibe that wp is like w3schools but user generated
  117. # [00:16] <waldir> paul_irish: the people who can grant adminship are these: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&group=bureaucrat
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  119. # [00:16] <mstalfoort> paul_irish, shepazu are these chat logs saved in some way? if not, is that wanted?
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  121. # [00:16] <Tomato> waldir, you can mark pages for deletion with the flags.
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  123. # [00:16] <Yara162> wassup here ?
  124. # [00:16] <sonotos> waldir: don't missunderstand me, your're right there are several garbage pages, it's just very funny seeing a wp admin coming to delete :-) we had a some nice disussions in germany about deleting
  125. # [00:16] <waldir> Tomato: which ones? I feel a little lost
  126. # [00:17] <waldir> sonotos: hahah don't worry, I'm not a deletionist :P
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  129. # [00:17] <waldir> I am what we call a wikignome, mostly I do uncontroversial maintenance edits :)
  130. # [00:17] <@shepazu> mstalfoort: http://talk.webplatform.org/chatlogs
  131. # [00:17] <sonotos> waldir: :-)
  132. # [00:18] <Tomato> I'm a little lost too, haha, with the Flags template, you can probably just paste this in on a page: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=File:68468856805196873Z4VvJoUzc.jpeg&action=edit here's an example on a spam file.
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  134. # [00:18] <be> here is the function that do the magic
  135. # [00:18] <be> function () { $('#chatbox').load('includes/run.php').fadeIn("slow"); }, 10); // 10 milliseconds
  136. # [00:18] <@shepazu> mstalfoort: but we want to improve that logger. if you want to help, let us know
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  138. # [00:18] <Tomato> Also waldir, do you know Pawel, he's an admin on Wikipedia, I used to work with him. o; Maybe you know him.
  139. # [00:18] <zerro911> it is not a magic
  140. # [00:19] <be> why not ?
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  142. # [00:19] <waldir> Tomato: the flags system will probably need a revamp. Having a comma separated string of issues prevents, for intance, categorization into things like [[Category:Pages to delete]], etc
  143. # [00:19] <sonotos> lol
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  145. # [00:19] <@paul_irish> sonotos: in german WP? or in germany in general?
  146. # [00:19] <Tomato> Yeah it obviously needs a revamp, sadly no one can edit the templates so I just tried to work with what was there.
  147. # [00:19] <Tomato> I'll throw it in a category too then.
  148. # [00:19] <sonotos> be: cause we know how it works, that demystifies it a little
  149. # [00:19] <mstalfoort> shepazu, i can ping someone who has made something like you just showed me
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  153. # [00:20] <waldir> Tomato: I don't think I know Pawel (at least i haven't interacted directly with him)
  154. # [00:20] <zerro911> what's the time?
  155. # [00:20] <Nick_Zaccardi> If an HTML attribute is specified on MSDN as something and the spec as something else. Take the spec word?
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  157. # [00:21] <sonotos> paul_irish: i remeber a longer public discussion about some admins who deleted many even good articles
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  159. # [00:21] <@paul_irish> Nick_Zaccardi: probably. what's the example/
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  162. # [00:21] <Nick_Zaccardi> choff should be charoff
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  164. # [00:21] <sonotos> public more in relation to the net people
  165. # [00:21] <Tomato> waldir, oh okay, I thought the wikipedia admins talked to each other.
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  169. # [00:22] <Nick_Zaccardi> Not really a big deal as I think no one uses charoff
  170. # [00:22] <Nick_Zaccardi> but I am just picked one to get started
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  173. # [00:22] <waldir> Tomato: many do. As I said, I tend to mostly do the backstage work, rather than discussion-heavy stuff like blovkings, deletions, etc
  174. # [00:22] <Nick_Zaccardi> paul_irish: W3C spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/tables.html#adef-charoff
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  176. # [00:23] <@paul_irish> ppk_ IanJ_: i'll need you guys to register your nick /msg nickserv help register
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  179. # [00:23] <sonotos> net people and the german wp
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  182. # [00:23] <@paul_irish> sonotos: gotcha ok. just curious. :)
  183. # [00:23] <Nick_Zaccardi> paul_irish: MSDN reference: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/ms533557(v=vs.85).aspx
  184. # [00:23] <as> hi all
  185. # [00:23] <zorro911> hi
  186. # [00:23] <waldir> Tomato: besides we are many... Dunbar's number says we can't possibly know each other :P
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  190. # [00:23] <zorro911> what the purpose of this chat?
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  192. # [00:24] <sonotos> chatting
  193. # [00:24] <zorro911> yohhoo
  194. # [00:24] <_cheney> paul, ryan, and divya? i'm awestruck
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  196. # [00:24] <waldir> how do I turn off the entry/exit logs? this channel is so busy!
  197. # [00:24] <zorro911> dniwe
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  199. # [00:24] <@Ryan_Lane> _cheney: ?
  200. # [00:24] <Nick_Zaccardi> waldir: What client are you using?
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  204. # [00:24] <blondewalker> mIRC
  205. # [00:24] <waldir> Nick_Zaccardi: the web-based one
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  207. # [00:24] <IanJ_> Paul, should be done
  208. # [00:24] <blondewalker> how to disable the messages?
  209. # [00:24] <Bauce> When will WebPlatform be officially launched?
  210. # [00:25] <_cheney> just a fan of your works
  211. # [00:25] <@Ryan_Lane> Bauce: it is launched
  212. # [00:25] <@Ryan_Lane> ah. thanks
  213. # [00:25] <zorro911> good job guys
  214. # [00:25] <@paul_irish> IanJ_: with "ianj" right?
  215. # [00:25] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: hey, nice to see you here!
  216. # [00:25] <IanJ_> Actually, I used IanJ_
  217. # [00:25] <Nick_Zaccardi> waldir: not sure it can be done in there
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  219. # [00:25] * IanJ_ is IanJ available?
  220. # [00:25] <@paul_irish> it looks reggd
  221. # [00:25] <Nick_Zaccardi> waldir: give me a moment to look it up
  222. # [00:25] <@Ryan_Lane> waldir: you a wikimedia person? an openstack person? :)
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  224. # [00:25] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: wikipedia :)
  225. # [00:25] <IanJ_> I just tried to register IanJ as well
  226. # [00:25] <@Ryan_Lane> heh
  227. # [00:25] <waldir> and recently started contributing to mediawiki
  228. # [00:25] <@Ryan_Lane> cool
  229. # [00:26] <@paul_irish> IanJ_: i dont see ianj_ as registered so far
  230. # [00:26] <IanJ_> how long does it take typically?
  231. # [00:26] <_cheney> instant
  232. # [00:26] <@paul_irish> instant i thought.
  233. # [00:26] <@paul_irish> hey _cheney
  234. # [00:26] <ppk_> paul_irish: Done
  235. # [00:26] <_cheney> hi
  236. # [00:26] * IanJ_ shoots again
  237. # [00:26] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: I am glad there are mediawiki experts here, the wiki needs some love
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  239. # [00:26] <@Ryan_Lane> waldir: I'm actually doing the infrastructure work
  240. # [00:26] * ChanServ sets mode: +o ppk_
  241. # [00:26] <@Ryan_Lane> not too much of the mediawiki stuff itself ;)
  242. # [00:26] <@paul_irish> thanks ppk_. all set.
  243. # [00:27] <IanJ_> where are you checking if registered?
  244. # [00:27] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: I came here to ask for adminship
  245. # [00:27] <@paul_irish> /msg nickserv info ianj_
  246. # [00:27] <@Ryan_Lane> we have Hallo Welt doing the wiki development
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  248. # [00:27] <@Ryan_Lane> waldir: cool
  249. # [00:27] <@ppk_> paul_irish: Set for what?
  250. # [00:27] <Nick_Zaccardi> waldir: What OS are you on?
  251. # [00:27] <@ppk_> You're not going to give me even more responsibilities, are you?
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  253. # [00:27] <waldir> Nick_Zaccardi: Windows 7 atm, usually Ubuntu
  254. # [00:27] <@paul_irish> ppk_: just added you to the auto-op list here. that's all
  255. # [00:28] <sonotos> Ryan_Lane: what means "Hallo Welt" is doing the wiki development? is this a nick?
  256. # [00:28] <Tomato> We're allowed to ask for adminship?
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  258. # [00:28] <@Ryan_Lane> sonotos: it's a company
  259. # [00:28] <@ppk_> paul_irish: Ah, OK.
  260. # [00:28] <@paul_irish> no more responsibilities but you will be able to kick/mute at will :)
  261. # [00:28] <waldir> Tomato: there has to be a way
  262. # [00:28] <@ppk_> Yes, good idea.
  263. # [00:28] <waldir> Tomato: especially since this is supposed to be a community thing
  264. # [00:28] <sonotos> Tomato: allowed of course, if you get it is another story
  265. # [00:28] * IanJ_ did I do my registration correctly yet?
  266. # [00:28] <@ppk_> Oh, and how do I message people privately?
  267. # [00:28] <Tomato> I have been trying to coax shepazu into unprotecting the templates but it's not working.
  268. # [00:28] <sonotos> Ryan_Lane: funny name :-)
  269. # [00:28] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: which templates?
  270. # [00:28] <@ppk_> I found a command list, but it doesn't have much to do with how this IRC server works.
  271. # [00:28] <@Ryan_Lane> if they are used on the main page, it's a bad idea
  272. # [00:28] <waldir> Tomato: I don't think that's a good idea
  273. # [00:29] <Nick_Zaccardi> waldir: It appears you can not shut off the join/part messages unless you are on a client. Here is a list for Win http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/top-7-free-irc-clients-windows-7/
  274. # [00:29] <_cheney> IanJ_ when you reg, freenode sends you an email
  275. # [00:29] <be> where can i publich the chat ?
  276. # [00:29] <waldir> We need to make it clear how to request adminship or request assistance from admins
  277. # [00:29] <mstalfoort> ppk_, /msg <nick> <msg>
  278. # [00:29] <@Ryan_Lane> waldir: agreed
  279. # [00:29] * IanJ_ not got email yet...will stay tuned
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  281. # [00:29] <Tomato> Ryan_Lane, like the Flags template, a lot of the templates could be expanded to include automatically categorizing things better, etc. o;
  282. # [00:29] <ctoveloz[BR]> use hexchat
  283. # [00:29] <ctoveloz[BR]> is the best
  284. # [00:29] <ctoveloz[BR]> :)
  285. # [00:29] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: right
  286. # [00:29] <be> no
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  288. # [00:29] <be> i create a chat from cero
  289. # [00:29] <waldir> Nick_Zaccardi: webchat.freenode allows it but there are tabs there, including an "options" one, which seem to be hidden here
  290. # [00:30] <be> and its only 50 lines of code
  291. # [00:30] <be> i wanna share it
  292. # [00:30] <sonotos> be github
  293. # [00:30] <_cheney> IanJ_ after you get the email from freenode to confirm your email address then you need to identify: /msg nickserv identify yourpassword
  294. # [00:30] <sonotos> that's the right place for sharing code
  295. # [00:30] <IanJ_> ok
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  297. # [00:30] <IanJ_> thanks _cheney for tips
  298. # [00:30] * IanJ_ on a call..will try to get this done today
  299. # [00:30] <_cheney> welcome
  300. # [00:30] <Nick_Zaccardi> waldir: unfortunate :(
  301. # [00:31] <waldir> Nick_Zaccardi: I'm gonna try entering from there
  302. # [00:31] <Nick_Zaccardi> waldir: Good luck
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  305. # [00:31] <be> i will call it, chat forever
  306. # [00:32] <Nick_Zaccardi> paul_irish: Any suggestions about the chOff page?
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  309. # [00:32] <@paul_irish> Nick_Zaccardi: iunno. for the next week ill be working on larger issues like user mgmt and IA before getting into html specifics :)
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  315. # [00:33] <waldir> Nick_Zaccardi: all done :)
  316. # [00:33] <Nick_Zaccardi> paul_irish: of course, I understand.
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  319. # [00:33] <Nick_Zaccardi> waldir: Get it figured out?
  320. # [00:33] <achraf> hello
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  322. # [00:33] <waldir> Nick_Zaccardi: no, I entered from http://webchat.freenode.net/
  323. # [00:34] <Nick_Zaccardi> waldir: Good deal.
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  325. # [00:34] <waldir> Nick_Zaccardi: someone should change the parameters of the qwebirc embed code
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  327. # [00:34] <waldir> to allow changing the options
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  329. # [00:34] <justinBeaudry> Is there an easy way to find a list of pages that need editing by flags etc. ?
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  332. # [00:35] <Tomato> Ryan_Lane, can I use the wiki API to fix a bunch of pages that got put into the wrong categories with a python bot?
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  335. # [00:35] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: I'm not sure if we have a bot policy yet
  336. # [00:35] <@Ryan_Lane> shepazu: ^^ ?
  337. # [00:35] <be> for javascript i only use this
  338. # [00:35] <be> "></script> <script type="text/javascript"> var auto_refresh = setInterval( function () { $('#chatbox').load('includes/run.php').fadeIn("slow"); }, 10); // 10 milliseconds $(document).ready(function () { $('#chatear').click(chatear); function chatear() { $.post('chat.php',$("#rom").serialize()); $('#mensaje').val(''); } }); </script>
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  341. # [00:36] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: technically, yes ;)
  342. # [00:36] <be> that's all
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  345. # [00:36] <Tomato> Okay. :3
  346. # [00:36] <@Ryan_Lane> paul_irish: ^^ ?
  347. # [00:36] <waldir> Ryan_Lane, you're a bureaucrat, would you give me the admin bit?
  348. # [00:36] <@Ryan_Lane> heh
  349. # [00:36] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane, not sure :)
  350. # [00:37] <@Ryan_Lane> I'm technically one :)
  351. # [00:37] <sonotos> be: go to github if you want to find somebody who's maybe interested
  352. # [00:37] <Zeca_Brito> hi
  353. # [00:37] <@Ryan_Lane> shepazu: on wikipedia, you request to have a bot
  354. # [00:37] <@Ryan_Lane> though, people can use a bot under their own account too
  355. # [00:37] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: there are others here, but there doesn't seem to be a process yet
  356. # [00:37] <waldir> here = IRC
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  358. # [00:37] <@divya> _cheney: o
  359. # [00:37] <Tomato> Yeah, I just don't have "higher API" permissions without a bot account
  360. # [00:37] <@Ryan_Lane> waldir: right. I'm a bureaucrat because I am the ops engineer
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  362. # [00:38] <@Ryan_Lane> waldir: I don't think I should be granting adminship :)
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  364. # [00:38] <Tomato> waldir, I'm sure if you keep contributing, one of the admins will notice you and promote you.
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  367. # [00:38] <@Ryan_Lane> we need a policy
  368. # [00:38] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: so, who is? paul_irish is one too, aparently
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  370. # [00:38] <@paul_irish> Tomato: example of one of the miscategorizations?
  371. # [00:38] <@Ryan_Lane> shepazu: what are we doing for adminship?
  372. # [00:38] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: of the wiki?
  373. # [00:38] <@Ryan_Lane> shepazu: yep
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  375. # [00:38] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: you can run the bot slowly
  376. # [00:39] <Tomato> Category:Event and Category:Events
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  378. # [00:39] <@ppk_> Who are currently the wiki admins?
  379. # [00:39] <Tomato> One as 149 pages in it, one as 150 pages in it.
  380. # [00:39] <@Ryan_Lane> I don't actually know if we give any additional rights to bot users right now
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  383. # [00:39] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: we are going to see who contributes helpfully, and start looking at adding admin rights over the next few days
  384. # [00:39] <@paul_irish> I like making a request queue
  385. # [00:39] <waldir> ppk_: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsersgroup=sysop
  386. # [00:39] <Tomato> 160*
  387. # [00:39] <@shepazu> yup
  388. # [00:40] <@Ryan_Lane> a request queue for request for bot access and request for adminship is a good idea
  389. # [00:40] <@paul_irish> yup
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  392. # [00:40] <Tomato> Okay but before I do it, which category are they all suppose to be in, Events or Event, here's a link to them http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Category:Events or http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Category:Event
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  397. # [00:41] <waldir> shepazu: the syzop tools require some working knowledge of mediawiki... admins can edit protected templates or mediawiki messages that can even break the site to some extent
  398. # [00:41] <waldir> *sysop
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  400. # [00:41] <sonotos> Tomato: as Event tags one event Event would be more correct from my opinion
  401. # [00:41] <@paul_irish> Ryan_Lane: can you set up a request queue for both?
  402. # [00:41] <@Ryan_Lane> I can't right now
  403. # [00:41] <IanJ_> Paul, done.
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  407. # [00:42] <@paul_irish> Tomato: plural wise which is more consistent with the other category names?
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  409. # [00:42] <@Ryan_Lane> someone with SMW knowledge should be able to do it fairly quickly
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  412. # [00:42] <Tomato> Okay.
  413. # [00:42] <Tomato> Thanks everyone.
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  415. # [00:42] <@shepazu> waldir: I'm using admins loosely I really mean "bureaucrats"
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  418. # [00:43] <@shepazu> but I don't like that term
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  420. # [00:43] <augusoft> hoa
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  422. # [00:43] <augusoft> hola
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  424. # [00:43] <waldir> shepazu: hmm... bureaucrats are essentially admins who can grant adminship to others, IIRC
  425. # [00:43] <@shepazu> Tomato: I think "Events"
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  427. # [00:43] <@shepazu> waldir: then maybe I mean something else :)
  428. # [00:43] <augusoft> hello
  429. # [00:43] <sonotos> gn8
  430. # [00:43] <augusoft> g8
  431. # [00:43] <@shepazu> nn sonotos
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  433. # [00:44] <augusoft> <?php echo "Hola"; ?>
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  443. # [00:45] <tsingh> hehe.. scripter nerdery.. like it augusoft
  444. # [00:45] <tsingh> hehe
  445. # [00:45] <augusoft> hello
  446. # [00:45] <mstalfoort> hi
  447. # [00:45] <@shepazu> augusoft: trying to hack the chat?
  448. # [00:45] <augusoft> im from spain
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  450. # [00:45] <augusoft> noooo!!!
  451. # [00:45] <augusoft> i dont
  452. # [00:45] <augusoft> im not a lamer
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  454. # [00:46] <augusoft> i try only say hello..
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  456. # [00:46] <augusoft> in a original way
  457. # [00:46] <tsingh> ha i didnt even think of that as being an exploit
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  461. # [00:46] <waldir> shepazu: since we're starting, I think we could handle handing of adminship rights somewhat loosely (they can always be removed later if needed, anyway). Ryan_Lane & paul_irish were talking about a queue, and a policy has been mentioned... that sounds like a process appropriate for a larger community. what do you think?
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  468. # [00:47] <@shepazu> waldir: seems reasonable
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  470. # [00:47] <@paul_irish> yup
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  472. # [00:48] <@paul_irish> waldir: would be great to have your help setting up that process (or the docs for it) later
  473. # [00:48] <waldir> shepazu: I mean, I can prove I'm knowledgeable with mediawiki and dedicated to open content, and that seems to be enough at least for the moment
  474. # [00:48] <waldir> paul_irish: definitely
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  476. # [00:48] <Tomato> W-woah, can I apply?
  477. # [00:48] <waldir> we need to have a link on the homepage to a "how to contribute" page
  478. # [00:48] <Tomato> I have made 200 edits today, I've been working with MediaWiki for five years. ;;
  479. # [00:48] <@shepazu> yeah, we have thought about it, but not enough
  480. # [00:48] <Nick_Zaccardi> waldir: That is a great idea
  481. # [00:49] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: 200 edits? nicely done :)
  482. # [00:49] <Nick_Zaccardi> I have no idea how to help right now
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  484. # [00:49] <waldir> ...which would include several ways to do it including bug reports, editing the wiki, and adminship
  485. # [00:49] <@paul_irish> There is Getting Started but its pretty big. and doesnt account for a lot
  486. # [00:49] <waldir> nothing too lentghy
  487. # [00:49] <@shepazu> Tomato: certainly you can apply :)
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  489. # [00:49] <@Ryan_Lane> one thing I've learned from Wikipedia is that no process should have a lot of text
  490. # [00:49] <Tomato> Thank you Ryan_Lane, I'm about to throw down 200 more once I log on with pywikipediabot. (;
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  492. # [00:50] <@Ryan_Lane> make sure it's simple and as short as possible
  493. # [00:50] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: true!!
  494. # [00:50] <@Ryan_Lane> wikipedians have a habit of adding text to things that are too confusing ;)
  495. # [00:50] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane, short and simple is difficult, but worth it
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  497. # [00:50] <@Ryan_Lane> and then try to make it less confusing by adding even more text
  498. # [00:50] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: lol
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  500. # [00:50] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: what are you trying to say?
  501. # [00:50] <@Ryan_Lane> short and simple is best :)
  502. # [00:50] <@shepazu> could you explain a bit more please?
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  504. # [00:51] <@paul_irish> :p
  505. # [00:51] <@Ryan_Lane> wikipedia scares new people because everything is too wordy
  506. # [00:51] <waldir> shepazu: I believe we need to give new contributors clear action paths straight from the main page
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  508. # [00:51] <@shepazu> waldir: agreed
  509. # [00:51] <justinBeaudry> waldir: I like that idea.
  510. # [00:52] <justinBeaudry> Something like what's on the http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages
  511. # [00:52] <waldir> not necessarily all of them listed there, but at least a link
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  513. # [00:52] <augusoft> chau saludos
  514. # [00:52] <waldir> justinBeaudry: well, that's one of the ways
  515. # [00:52] <waldir> some people like maintenance work
  516. # [00:52] <waldir> others prefer adding content
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  518. # [00:53] <waldir> the page you pointed to has several useful maintenance reports (I personally like to work with them), but we need to cater to other people
  519. # [00:53] <Tomato> Ryan_Lane, can we please have AbuseFilters?
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  522. # [00:53] <@Ryan_Lane> we probably should add that....
  523. # [00:53] <@Ryan_Lane> shepazu: ^^ ?
  524. # [00:53] <@shepazu> yeah, we are hoping to have lots of flagged content reports that will give tasks...
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  527. # [00:53] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: make it so, #1
  528. # [00:53] <@Ryan_Lane> :D
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  530. # [00:54] <justinBeaudry> waldir: I agree. I
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  532. # [00:54] <@Ryan_Lane> ugh. so much config
  533. # [00:54] <Tomato> Also Ryan_Lane, bots can easily get past the captcha, Asirra is the most secure captcha but maybe a customized question would work even better instead of simple math.
  534. # [00:55] <@shepazu> interesting side effect of using mediawiki is all the community members that have their processes built around it
  535. # [00:55] <Tomato> Also, you'll have to run the update script after you install AbuseFilters, otherwise no one will be able to edit.
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  537. # [00:55] <@Ryan_Lane> FancyCaptcha should be good enough
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  540. # [00:55] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: ye[
  541. # [00:55] <@Ryan_Lane> *yep
  542. # [00:55] <justinBeaudry> waldir: Could that be based upon flags? Maybe displaying relevant pages that need editing?
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  544. # [00:55] <Tomato> Err, of course, you probably already know. o;
  545. # [00:55] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane, happy to switch to another captcha that doesn't use external resources
  546. # [00:56] <@Ryan_Lane> FancyCaptha doesn't
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  549. # [00:56] <deavisdude> hi
  550. # [00:56] <deavisdude> who saw this on reedit?
  551. # [00:56] <waldir> flags as they're currently implemented aren't very effective. we might need to split the list of problems into separate arguments for the template, or use separate templates (e.g. {{delete}}, {{update}}, etc) which can add pages to specific categories
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  554. # [00:57] <@Ryan_Lane> ok. adding it to test
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  558. # [00:58] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: is there any possibility to have the site put up in github or something like that? then people could send pull requests for parts other than the wiki, too :D
  559. # [00:58] <@Ryan_Lane> we're looking at ways to expose our config and repos
  560. # [00:58] <waldir> :)
  561. # [00:58] <@Ryan_Lane> I don't like github because we can't really control the repo
  562. # [00:58] <@Ryan_Lane> and for deployment that's terrifying
  563. # [00:59] <Tomato> tortoise
  564. # [00:59] <@shepazu> I admit I'm with Ryan_Lane here
  565. # [00:59] <@Ryan_Lane> we're using gerrit for our extensions
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  567. # [00:59] <Tomato> I mean mercurial?
  568. # [00:59] <Lucas> CTOVELOZ EI CARA
  569. # [00:59] <Tomato> I used to use that for repo deploys and it was really nice.
  570. # [00:59] <@Ryan_Lane> we *might* be able to use wikimedia's gerrit for our config too
  571. # [00:59] <waldir> as long as there's a way for people to contribute
  572. # [00:59] <@Ryan_Lane> or we could set up our own gerrit server
  573. # [00:59] <Lucas> ow ctveloz br
  574. # [00:59] <@Ryan_Lane> and replicate to github
  575. # [00:59] <waldir> and good, *short* docs :D
  576. # [01:00] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: let's do our own, if we can
  577. # [01:00] <Lucas> hello
  578. # [01:00] <@shepazu> hi, Lucas
  579. # [01:00] <@Ryan_Lane> shepazu: I set up the gerrit server at wikimedia, so I can do so for us as well
  580. # [01:00] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: sweet
  581. # [01:00] <@Ryan_Lane> people tend to hate gerrit, but it works. well.
  582. # [01:00] <Lucas> I speak as private?
  583. # [01:01] <@shepazu> Lucas: this channel is logged
  584. # [01:01] <ctoveloz[BR]> Lucas, iae
  585. # [01:01] <Lucas> add ctoloveloz
  586. # [01:01] <@Ryan_Lane> ok abuse filter is working on test
  587. # [01:01] <Tomato> Yay~
  588. # [01:01] <Tomato> Do you already have some filters lined up? I have a bunch I like to use but maybe you guys would rather write your own.
  589. # [01:02] <@Ryan_Lane> I never use abuse filter
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  591. # [01:02] <Lucas> http://www.facebook.com/lucas.sousa.1884
  592. # [01:02] <@Ryan_Lane> I don't actually edit wikipedia :D
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  594. # [01:02] <Lucas> add ai cara
  595. # [01:02] <Lucas> http://www.facebook.com/lucas.sousa.1884
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  597. # [01:02] <Tomato> Oh, well an admin is going to have to add filters. o;
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  599. # [01:02] <@Ryan_Lane> ok. adding abuse filter to current
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  601. # [01:02] <Tomato> Yay, thank you Ryan.
  602. # [01:02] <@Ryan_Lane> yw
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  606. # [01:04] <@Ryan_Lane> done
  607. # [01:04] <@Ryan_Lane> added
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  609. # [01:04] <@Ryan_Lane> I'll let the admins work out the filters ;)
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  611. # [01:05] <@paul_irish> shepazu: i'd like to add admin to waldir and tomato to help with category cleanup and policy docs on onboarding new contributors
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  613. # [01:05] <@paul_irish> sound good?
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  615. # [01:05] <@paul_irish> waldir will also help with formalizing the policy for requesting adminship
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  617. # [01:05] <Tomato> i'm making googly puppy dog eyes shepazu
  618. # [01:06] <waldir> :)
  619. # [01:06] <@shepazu> paul_irish: sure
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  621. # [01:06] <@paul_irish> k
  622. # [01:06] <@shepazu> paul_irish: usernames?
  623. # [01:06] <waldir> we need to establish a place onwiki to discuss these things
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  626. # [01:06] <waldir> I'm User:Waldir
  627. # [01:06] <Tomato> I'm User:Tomato
  628. # [01:07] <@shepazu> admin? any others?
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  634. # [01:07] <@shepazu> done
  635. # [01:07] <juu8u8> hi room!
  636. # [01:07] <@shepazu> paul_irish: are you an admin?
  637. # [01:07] <Tomato> waldir, the talk pages are still there for use, although shepazu said he'd rather have people use comments. You can see them if you hover over "Tools"
  638. # [01:07] <@paul_irish> yes
  639. # [01:07] <@shepazu> k
  640. # [01:08] <moneal> Well if your just handing out admins...
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  642. # [01:08] <@paul_irish> Tomato: waldir, you guys are set
  643. # [01:08] <Tomato> Thanks!
  644. # [01:08] <waldir> paul_irish, shepazu thanks :D
  645. # [01:08] <@shepazu> why don't we start a new page for this, WPD:Admin_policy ?
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  647. # [01:08] <@paul_irish> Tomato: are you getting an acct for your bot?
  648. # [01:08] <tsingh> careful what you ask for. moneal
  649. # [01:08] <@shepazu> wait
  650. # [01:08] <tsingh> hehe
  651. # [01:08] <jkomoros> shepazu: I think we already have a page
  652. # [01:08] <Tony_> Hello World :) This looks neat.
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  654. # [01:09] <@shepazu> jkomoros: I realized that :)
  655. # [01:09] <jkomoros> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Policy/Administration
  656. # [01:09] <@shepazu> hi, Tony_
  657. # [01:09] <@shepazu> that's the one I was looking for :)
  658. # [01:09] <Nick_Zaccardi> jkomoros: Nice to see ya back.
  659. # [01:09] <waldir> cool, that needs to be linked from more places
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  662. # [01:10] <ctoveloz[BR]> thing about cakephp?
  663. # [01:10] <waldir> currently it's linked from WPD:Policy only!
  664. # [01:10] <jkomoros> I've been in meetings all day. One more, and then I'll be back on IRC for a few hours
  665. # [01:10] <@paul_irish> yeah there is a lot within WPD namespace with low visibility... can someone start a short Contributing guide with links to that and others?
  666. # [01:10] <ctoveloz[BR]> preferably views
  667. # [01:10] <ctoveloz[BR]> ;D
  668. # [01:10] <jkomoros> We could just link that page from the end of the Getting_Started guide
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  674. # [01:12] <waldir> I think we need to rethink the "Contribute to Web Platform Docs" section of the wiki main page
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  676. # [01:12] <Tomato_> Yeah, I was setting up my userconfig file for my bot, trying to get it connected. I can connect without making a bot account though for now and make simple edits. I'll just use my main account for now because the adminship gives me higher api and maybe make a bot account later if it's working well or needed a lot?
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  680. # [01:13] <waldir> we could make it a list of links for different action paths instead of having text there
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  682. # [01:13] <waldir> I'll try something in my userpage and propose it
  683. # [01:13] <@paul_irish> waldir: can you make a draft for how that would look?
  684. # [01:13] <@paul_irish> great
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  686. # [01:14] <@paul_irish> Tomato: ok
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  688. # [01:14] <andrewjbaker> Make sure one of those paths is game developer. :-p
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  693. # [01:15] <@Garbee> Let's hope I make it home in one peice. See you guys/gals soon.
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  696. # [01:16] <waldir> Special:BrokenRedirects is now empty :D
  697. # [01:16] <Tomato> See you Garbee. Take care.
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  699. # [01:16] <waldir> Tomato: since you're using pywikipediabot, could you run the script to fix the double redirects?
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  703. # [01:17] <waldir> there are 99 of them... too many to fix by hand comfortably
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  706. # [01:17] <Titank> 123
  707. # [01:17] <@paul_irish> hey andrewjbaker!
  708. # [01:18] <@paul_irish> Ryan_Lane: is this ident_hex your work ?
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  710. # [01:18] <@Ryan_Lane> paul_irish: yep
  711. # [01:18] <Tomato> Ryan_Lane, does this wiki have a template limit? Will the "micro"templates become a problem later as more pages are created and slow down the server?
  712. # [01:18] <@Ryan_Lane> requested by freenode
  713. # [01:19] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: as always meta templates are evil :)
  714. # [01:19] <@Ryan_Lane> did I enable lua?
  715. # [01:19] <andrewjbaker> paul_irish: Hi matey. How goes the battle?
  716. # [01:19] <@Ryan_Lane> I hope I enabled lua
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  718. # [01:19] <@Ryan_Lane> I don't think I enabled lua
  719. # [01:19] <@Ryan_Lane> :D
  720. # [01:19] <@paul_irish> andrewjbaker: its good
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  723. # [01:19] <Tomato> I've had metatemplates break my wikis before put up by editors, then have to spend 9 hours trying to remove them all. ;;
  724. # [01:20] <@Ryan_Lane> yeah. it's a pain
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  726. # [01:20] <@Ryan_Lane> shepazu: do we want to use lua for the templating language?
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  728. # [01:20] <@Ryan_Lane> it's a real language, rather than that horrible wiki syntax
  729. # [01:20] <@Ryan_Lane> it's also deployed on wikimedia sites
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  731. # [01:21] <@Ryan_Lane> nevermind
  732. # [01:21] <@Ryan_Lane> we need to upgrade first
  733. # [01:21] <andrewjbaker> paul_irish: Heh... so you're winning. This is good news.
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  735. # [01:21] <Tomato> lua for a template language?! wow that sound cool.
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  738. # [01:22] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: Lua? for real?
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  741. # [01:22] <@Ryan_Lane> yeah. lua
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  745. # [01:23] <@Ryan_Lane> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto
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  748. # [01:23] <@Ryan_Lane> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Lua_scripting/Tutorial
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  752. # [01:24] <@shepazu> what are the advantages of Lua over whatever else?
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  754. # [01:24] <Pinapple> oHai
  755. # [01:24] <@Ryan_Lane> have you used the built-in templating language? :)
  756. # [01:24] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: unfortunately, a little bit
  757. # [01:24] <Nick_Zaccardi> git status
  758. # [01:24] <@Ryan_Lane> it's terrible.
  759. # [01:25] <Nick_Zaccardi> Whoops... wrong window
  760. # [01:25] <@Ryan_Lane> it also makes people implement horrible things in meta templates
  761. # [01:25] <@Ryan_Lane> which they then include in hundreds of thousands of pages
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  764. # [01:25] <@shepazu> if we went with Lua, could we dump the horrible {{!}} for pipes?
  765. # [01:25] <@Ryan_Lane> I believe so
  766. # [01:25] <Pinapple> Ahhh! The navigation above this page only has webkit prefixes!!!
  767. # [01:25] <@shepazu> LUA ALL THE THINGS!
  768. # [01:25] <Pinapple> ='[
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  770. # [01:26] <hober> is this channel logged somewhere?
  771. # [01:26] <hfhj> n
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  773. # [01:26] <plamoni> hober: http://talk.webplatform.org/chatlogs
  774. # [01:26] <@Ryan_Lane> we may want to wait till it's a little further along on wikimedia
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  777. # [01:27] <ctoveloz[BR]> https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/550722_429443393781130_72408000_n.jpg
  778. # [01:27] <socialhapy> ? Photo by/of {0}, {1}
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  781. # [01:27] <Lucas> hello
  782. # [01:28] <Tomato> Tim Starling is a pretty good extension writer Ryan_Lane, the extension is probably pretty safe but yeah, it's always nice to wait until it's stable. Just saying the guy has never steered me wrong with extensions.
  783. # [01:28] <@Ryan_Lane> well, I'm waiting to figure out how modules are going to work
  784. # [01:28] <Titank> hello
  785. # [01:28] <Tomato> He wrote parserfunctions, swoon.
  786. # [01:28] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: I'm an operations engineer at wikimedia foundation, btw ;)
  787. # [01:28] <Tomato> Oh are you? Hahaha.
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  789. # [01:28] <Tomato> I don't know why I'm telling you then, sorry.
  790. # [01:29] <@Ryan_Lane> :D
  791. # [01:29] <@Ryan_Lane> I run wikimedia labs: https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
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  795. # [01:29] <Tomato> I used to work for Curse, Inc. I helped set up Minecraft Wiki and sites like that, I quit recently. o;
  796. # [01:29] <@Ryan_Lane> ah. cool
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  800. # [01:30] <Lucas> It is easy to get into google, microsoft or something?
  801. # [01:31] <Nathan> Hello ...
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  808. # [01:31] <Tomato> Hi Nathan.
  809. # [01:31] <pdr> Ryan_Lane: We talked about this a bit yesterday, but is there a path for Wiki* sites to show SVG directly to capable browsers, instead of converting to PNG?
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  811. # [01:32] <@Ryan_Lane> currently mediawiki doesn't support it
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  813. # [01:32] <pdr> Ryan_Lane: do you know the backstory?
  814. # [01:32] <@Ryan_Lane> I recommend bugging the wikitech-l email list about it
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  816. # [01:32] <pdr> Ryan_Lane: thank you
  817. # [01:32] <@Ryan_Lane> yw
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  820. # [01:32] <Lucas> Is there any function in javascript to do this -> 1000 to 1,000?
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  827. # [01:33] <@shepazu> pdr++
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  829. # [01:33] <Tomato> I'm curious, I know MediaWiki doesn't support .ico, but you can add the permission to Localsettings to allow you to upload it, and if you use it in CSS, the wiki will display the image. It's a work around at times if you want to display something using a file mediawiki doesn't support.
  830. # [01:33] <Lucas> Is there any function in javascript to do this -> 1000 to 1,000?
  831. # [01:34] <pdr> Tomato: I don't think there are good reasons to display .ico :P
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  833. # [01:34] <Tomato> I know, I was just giving an example if you wanted to get around it, haha.
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  835. # [01:34] <Tomato> That would be pretty impractical for your situation though, just a suggestion if you're desperate.
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  843. # [01:35] <ssaid> hi
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  845. # [01:35] <Tomato> Hi ssaid.
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  847. # [01:35] <petermlm> Hi
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  851. # [01:37] <ssaid> how can i save images created in svg to jpg format ?
  852. # [01:37] <petermlm> Can any one tell me if anyone can edit the pages in webplatform? Like a Wiki?
  853. # [01:37] <@paul_irish> you can.
  854. # [01:37] <ssaid> paul_irish did you answer to me?
  855. # [01:37] <@paul_irish> ssaid: add to a canvas and toDataUri out of there.
  856. # [01:38] <petermlm> @ssaid, or just take a screen shot for a quick and disty solution, :p
  857. # [01:38] <ssaid> ok, thanks friend
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  859. # [01:38] <ssaid> see you later!
  860. # [01:38] <Tomato> Ryan_Lane, have you seen the giant reddit thread about this site? It's how I found it. There's a lot of comments in the thread about problems with the site.
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  863. # [01:39] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: link?
  864. # [01:39] <Tomato> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/116u6b/apple_facebook_google_microsoft_mozilla_and/
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  877. # [01:41] <@shepazu> Tomato, that can't be about webplatform.org it doesn't mention W3C in the title
  878. # [01:41] <@Ryan_Lane> heh
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  881. # [01:41] <@Ryan_Lane> no ipv6 support
  882. # [01:41] <@Ryan_Lane> yeah. that's true
  883. # [01:41] <brey> need more specific tuts of css media queries..
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  885. # [01:42] <Tomato> shepazu, I can't believe they left out W3C. ;;
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  887. # [01:42] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: nothing really that is infrastructure related
  888. # [01:42] <@Ryan_Lane> except www1 and ipv6
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  890. # [01:42] <@Ryan_Lane> www1 is gone now anyway
  891. # [01:42] <@Ryan_Lane> it was temporary
  892. # [01:42] <petermlm> Just putting this out there. I would like to write for the Javascript Datatypes. There are tones of thinks to be said about theme. I will contribute in the following days for that part
  893. # [01:43] <petermlm> *the,m
  894. # [01:43] <petermlm> **them
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  896. # [01:43] <Tomato> Ryan_Lane, yeah true, I just thought the thread was pretty interesting and I saw some comments of users pointing out issues, so I figured you guys would want to see.
  897. # [01:43] <Ordona> Oh, no more www1? Awesome
  898. # [01:43] <harryrf> Thanks petermlm
  899. # [01:43] <@shepazu> paul_irish: if you know of a page that shows how to do the SVG toDataUri trick? if not, can you write one in the wiki, so I can add it to http://www.webplatform.org/logo/#playground ?
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  902. # [01:43] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: rigt
  903. # [01:43] <@Ryan_Lane> *right
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  905. # [01:44] <@shepazu> Tomato: thanks, good to know we can always use constructive criticism
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  907. # [01:45] <Garbee> Could someone link again please? I missed it.
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  917. # [01:47] <moneal> Garbee: what link?
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  919. # [01:48] <Garbee> To the thread Tomato was talkng about.
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  921. # [01:48] <rbnseven> holaaaaaaaaaaaa
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  924. # [01:48] <moneal> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/116u6b/apple_facebook_google_microsoft_mozilla_and/
  925. # [01:49] <Garbee> meh, I'm going to need a tl;dr version now.
  926. # [01:49] <Garbee> ;)
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  928. # [01:49] <Garbee> Thanks for the link though.
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  933. # [01:50] <moneal> np
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  943. # [01:52] <HappyJ> Hello guys
  944. # [01:52] <shane9> hello
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  954. # [01:53] <harryrf> In the Loops section of http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/Programming_-_the_real_basics why would for(var i = 0;i &lt; 11;i = i + 1){ be showing up as &lt; and not < ?
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  960. # [01:54] <Garbee> paul_irish, Do you mind if I PM you?
  961. # [01:54] <@paul_irish> go for it dude
  962. # [01:54] <Tomato> Ryan_Lane, speaking of Loops, do you like the Loops extension?
  963. # [01:54] <gelatocar> They probably escape the code to allow for HTML in there?
  964. # [01:54] <harryrf> I guess it could just be manually edited
  965. # [01:54] <@paul_irish> harryrf: not sure but please fix it if you can
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  967. # [01:55] <harryrf> I'm sure changing it from &lt; to < won't hurt
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  969. # [01:55] <harryrf> I'll do that
  970. # [01:55] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: no
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  973. # [01:55] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: nor the stringfunctions extension
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  975. # [01:55] <@Ryan_Lane> they are both incredibly expensive
  976. # [01:55] <Tomato> Ah okay.
  977. # [01:55] <jkomoros> What are y'all talking about? I just got back to my computer
  978. # [01:55] <@Ryan_Lane> lua has these things, but does it efficiently
  979. # [01:56] <Tomato> Yeah, they can be. ;; Loops came in useful for me a few times, I was just curious if you liked it. Of course Lua would be awesome too.
  980. # [01:56] <Quitta> Howdie
  981. # [01:56] <Tomato> Hi Quitta!
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  984. # [01:56] <Quitta> I was wondering, are there any plans of adding php to the list of items?
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  986. # [01:57] <Garbee> Quitta, We have talked about server-side languages today quite a bit actually.
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  988. # [01:58] <Garbee> I think right now we have mostly decided to just introduce server-side languages and link off to better resources for different ones compared to covering it all in-depth on the webplatform.org site in the beginning.
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  993. # [01:59] <@shepazu> I'd amend that to remove the "in the beginning" I'm not sure I'd want more than basic articles on server-side stuff
  994. # [01:59] <waldir> Tomato: have you used SMW before?
  995. # [01:59] * jakep slaps egghead around a bit with a large fishbot
  996. # [01:59] <Garbee> shepazu, So did we actually agree to completely not go into them any further than introductions?
  997. # [02:00] <harryrf> fixed
  998. # [02:00] <@shepazu> Garbee, the scope would get too big it would affect site architecture
  999. # [02:00] <@shepazu> I think, at least
  1000. # [02:00] <Garbee> Oh, it would affect it.
  1001. # [02:00] <jkomoros> I agree with shepazu, for what it's worth
  1002. # [02:00] <Tomato> waldir: A few times, I am not as experienced with it as I am most other MediaWiki extensions though. SMW was extremely resource heavy so we only used it on sites that really needed it.
  1003. # [02:00] <Garbee> Then cause a lot of fighiting amongst the devs in those langauges.
  1004. # [02:00] <@shepazu> and those languages have good sites, anyway
  1005. # [02:00] <@paul_irish> ++
  1006. # [02:01] <Tomato> I can work with it though.
  1007. # [02:01] <jakep> what the hell is this guys? idk why im just confused why this site was made and founded by all those poeple?
  1008. # [02:01] <jkomoros> jakep: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ
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  1010. # [02:01] <harryrf> Okay maybe not, I just tick "this is a minor change" and save ?
  1011. # [02:01] <@shepazu> for the love of the game, jakep
  1012. # [02:01] <waldir> Tomato: ok, I was wondering whether the relationships could be useful
  1013. # [02:01] <Garbee> jakep, It is a site to eventually become one repository for web developers designers compared to needing 5 or more different sites.
  1014. # [02:01] <waldir> Tomato: for structuring the content
  1015. # [02:01] <harryrf> Ah, nevermind "Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still does not work, try logging out and logging back in."
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  1017. # [02:02] <jkomoros> waldir: What are you guys talking about?
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  1019. # [02:02] <@Ryan_Lane> shepazu: for the infrastructure blog post, use Site News or create a new category?
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  1021. # [02:02] <Garbee> And have major players behind it to support along with a great community of people who work the field every single day.
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  1024. # [02:02] <@Ryan_Lane> also, when I'm finished it would be good if someone could review it
  1025. # [02:02] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: site news
  1026. # [02:02] <waldir> jkomoros: semantic mediawiki... I believe Tomato can explain better
  1027. # [02:02] <@Ryan_Lane> ok
  1028. # [02:02] <Tomato> Oh, well if you're asking if I can work with if you are using it, then yes. Lol.
  1029. # [02:02] <jakep> ok. i just slapped egg head with a large fishbot ? hahahah what is this
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  1032. # [02:02] <waldir> jkomoros: I've never used it before
  1033. # [02:02] <jkomoros> Okay. We're using some semantic media wiki stuff pretty heavily
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  1035. # [02:03] <jkomoros> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Implementation_Patterns
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  1039. # [02:04] <waldir> jkomoros: cool| I'll add that page to my personal reading list
  1040. # [02:04] <jkomoros> yeah, hopefully it's interesting
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  1042. # [02:04] <jkomoros> I'd like more people to understand this stuff so they can help with templates and such
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  1044. # [02:04] <jkomoros> I've been meaning to write up another doc that explains how specific templates use those patterns
  1045. # [02:04] <jkomoros> brb
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  1052. # [02:05] <Tomato> Ryan_Lane: InputBox?! Do you like that? o; It can be pretty nice for users who don't understand mediawiki well and are having troubles creating pages, it's nice to have something just throw on all the templates you need once you start the page.
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  1054. # [02:05] <@Ryan_Lane> I think we're using SemanticForms for any cases like that
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  1057. # [02:05] <Tomato> Okay I figured. Just curious.
  1058. # [02:06] * @Ryan_Lane nods
  1059. # [02:06] <waldir> jkomoros that'd be very helpful. We need to enable people to contribute with as less hoops to jump as possible. Clear, easily findable and concise documentation is a must for that
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  1065. # [02:09] <harryrf> paul_irish: Do I need to write something in the "Summary" line before commiting changes?
  1066. # [02:09] <@paul_irish> yup! that's best
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  1074. # [02:13] <harryrf> Finally got it, I kept getting an error message.
  1075. # [02:13] <demonart> Hi all. Who live in Russia? ))
  1076. # [02:13] <@shepazu> you!
  1077. # [02:13] <@Ryan_Lane> harryrf: what error messag?
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  1079. # [02:13] <harryrf> one sec.
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  1083. # [02:14] <Mike> hi
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  1085. # [02:14] <harryrf> "Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still does not work, try logging out and logging back in."
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  1087. # [02:14] <Tomato> Hi.
  1088. # [02:14] <@Ryan_Lane> ugh
  1089. # [02:14] <harryrf> So I tried logging back in
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  1091. # [02:14] <demonart> Hi )
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  1093. # [02:14] <Guest54358> How to interoperate all cloud office website,GoogleDocs,MS Office 365,IBM Docs,Cisco WebEx,Acrobat,Zoho,Evernote..?
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  1095. # [02:14] <harryrf> I don't know if this made it work or not, but I had to preview, view changes, then save, then it worked
  1096. # [02:15] <harryrf> Oh, plus I added a summary
  1097. # [02:15] <Guest54358> http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/1414/interoperate-website-googledocs-office-acrobat-evernote
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  1100. # [02:16] <Guest54358> How to interoperate all cloud office website,GoogleDocs,MS Office 365,IBM Docs,Cisco WebEx,Acrobat,Zoho,Evernote..?
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  1102. # [02:16] <waldir> Tomato: so are you running pywikipediabot?
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  1105. # [02:17] <||Vini||iRie> pvt
  1106. # [02:18] <Tomato> harryrf, are you referring to a certain page? What are you confused about? o;
  1107. # [02:18] <demonart> Follow me http://twitter.com/5arts and visit to my website http://demon-art.ru Thanks
  1108. # [02:18] <socialhapy> ? Tweet from 5arts: ??????? ?????? ?? ????? http://t.co/dnpUJfVK ????????, ????????, ?????????? :) http://t.co/jQyvuNYp ? http://bit.ly/Tt3UzS
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  1111. # [02:19] <demonart> evaluate design =)
  1112. # [02:19] <Garbee> Is it just me or does demonart seem spammy?
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  1114. # [02:20] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: are there plans to install the gadgets extension? HotCat could be useful
  1115. # [02:20] <@Ryan_Lane> that isn't installed?
  1116. # [02:20] <@Ryan_Lane> shepazu: ^^ ?
  1117. # [02:20] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: I think it is
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  1120. # [02:21] <@Ryan_Lane> it is
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  1122. # [02:21] <@Ryan_Lane> waldir: it's installed ;)
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  1128. # [02:22] <Garbee> shepazu, What do you think of tutorials on the site for using Dev Tools (for any browser) ?
  1129. # [02:22] <@shepazu> Garbee: how do you mean?
  1130. # [02:23] <demonart> ?? )
  1131. # [02:23] <@shepazu> like, Firebug?
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  1133. # [02:23] <Garbee> Start with basics for people just learning. How to open, what does everything do, basics of debugging. From there we could have an article or section where people show off more advanced things that could be done with the tools.
  1134. # [02:23] <@shepazu> demonart: please stop the chatter
  1135. # [02:24] <Garbee> Each tool would have its own little section to keep things neat, with perhaps subsections on things from there for something like Chrome's which does a ton of stuff.
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  1138. # [02:24] <@shepazu> Garbee: seems reasonable
  1139. # [02:24] <demonart> Web Developer Tools + ?????????? ?????????? ?? Mozilla Firefox ????? ??? firebug
  1140. # [02:24] <Garbee> I will work on an actual outline later in the week and let you guys see to give a better idea.
  1141. # [02:24] <demonart> Web Developer Tools + intsrument built on Mozilla Firefox better than firebug
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  1143. # [02:25] <Garbee> demonart, That is completely uproductive.
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  1145. # [02:25] <@paul_irish> Garbee: the recent nettuts article on chrome devtools is a good basics overview.. i think we could upstream that
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  1147. # [02:25] <Garbee> paul_irish, Exactly. That would be a good base for a beginner section.
  1148. # [02:26] <Garbee> And we all know how you love your neat obscure tricks. ;)
  1149. # [02:26] <Garbee> So those would make great sections on an advanced page of tricks.
  1150. # [02:26] <@paul_irish> Garbee: i know the author and we coudl ask him and jeffrey way
  1151. # [02:26] <Garbee> paul_irish, You get the permission, and I will do the import.
  1152. # [02:27] <harryrf> On the profile avatar upload page, "".$1" are not permitted file types. Permitted file types are $2." is shown for the wrong file type
  1153. # [02:27] <harryrf> ^^ I don't know how to fix that one.
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  1155. # [02:27] <demonart> I have enough of that, I like the speed of the javascript anyone should count for firebug irreplaceable;)
  1156. # [02:27] <Garbee> paul_irish, Could we also import content from: https://developers.google.com/chrome-developer-tools/docs/overview ? I'm assuming we could.
  1157. # [02:28] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: hmm... if it's installed, shouldn't I be seeing it as a tab of my preferences? oh right, I think mediawiki:gadgets-definition needs to exist
  1158. # [02:28] <@paul_irish> Garbee: yes its likely
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  1160. # [02:29] <@Ryan_Lane> waldir: yeah, it does
  1161. # [02:29] <@Ryan_Lane> and there's no gadgets installed
  1162. # [02:29] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: I think hotcat should be pretty harmless right?
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  1164. # [02:30] <@Ryan_Lane> yeah. it should be
  1165. # [02:30] <@Ryan_Lane> licensing likely needs to be noted
  1166. # [02:30] <@Ryan_Lane> it's cc-by-sa
  1167. # [02:30] <demonart> Here somebody knows at least a few words in Russian? )
  1168. # [02:30] <@Ryan_Lane> content on webplatform is cc-by
  1169. # [02:30] <waldir> hmmm, ok
  1170. # [02:30] <@Ryan_Lane> demonart: niet
  1171. # [02:30] <@paul_irish> Garbee: the devtools docs are cc-by so we're good
  1172. # [02:31] <Garbee> paul_irish, Yea, just found it.
  1173. # [02:31] <jkomoros> We have guidelines for CC-BY-SA content
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  1175. # [02:31] <Garbee> I *Literally* just read it.
  1176. # [02:31] <jkomoros> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:External_Attribution
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  1178. # [02:31] <Gustavo> good evening everyone!
  1179. # [02:31] <Garbee> Sweet. I will get writing up an outline and ask for input before putting anything into the wiki itself.
  1180. # [02:31] <waldir> the code needs to be copied, I suppose. Would a mention of the license in a code comment be enough?
  1181. # [02:31] <@paul_irish> kk
  1182. # [02:31] <jkomoros> for each new source we'd like to have some CC-BY-SA content from, we need to change a list and agree that it's worth it for that source
  1183. # [02:31] <waldir> oh
  1184. # [02:32] <Gustavo> 'm in SEO company GFM
  1185. # [02:32] <@shepazu> jkomoros: but we agreed that we wouldn't accept just any CC-BY-SA, only if the source was significant enough to warrant it
  1186. # [02:32] <jkomoros> yes, that's correct
  1187. # [02:32] <jkomoros> my point was not that it's okay in this case, but rather that we have a conceptual framework under which it could be allowed, if we decide it's worth it
  1188. # [02:32] <nrosa> Hi, is there a way to override drag and drop mouse icons?
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  1190. # [02:33] <@shepazu> jkomoros, ok, got you we want a transition strategy for it to CC-BY :)
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  1192. # [02:33] <@shepazu> nrosa: have you tried the cursor: property?
  1193. # [02:33] <jkomoros> absolutely
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  1196. # [02:33] <Tomato> shepazu, just wanted to check, when pages are labeled as CSS/x or SVG/x, etc, are those pages suppose to be lowercase like css/x or svg/x, I noticed there's a lot of inconsistency.
  1197. # [02:34] <Tomato> How should they be styled?
  1198. # [02:34] <jkomoros> Tomato: are you talking about with those in the URL?
  1199. # [02:34] <Tomato> Yes.
  1200. # [02:34] <jkomoros> lowercase
  1201. # [02:34] <Tomato> Okay.
  1202. # [02:34] <jkomoros> that's documented somewhere let me find it
  1203. # [02:34] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: $wgMetaNamespace needs to be set to "WPD"
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  1205. # [02:35] <@shepazu> Tomato: what jkomoros said L(
  1206. # [02:35] <Tomato> Should every part of the URL be lowercase? jkomoros, for example CSS/Selectors/attribute selector, should "Selectors" be lowercase?
  1207. # [02:35] <jkomoros> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Style_Manual
  1208. # [02:35] <jkomoros> under the URLs ssection
  1209. # [02:35] <jkomoros> yep
  1210. # [02:35] <Tomato> Oh okay thanks.
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  1212. # [02:35] <@shepazu> yes the only uppercase should eb actual code commands, like getElementById
  1213. # [02:35] <jkomoros> basically, the only exceptions are supposed to be things where it's an actual method name, like getElementById
  1214. # [02:36] <@shepazu> lol
  1215. # [02:36] <jkomoros> ha, great example shepazu
  1216. # [02:36] <@shepazu> :D
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  1220. # [02:38] <Harris> What is everyone's favorite web development software?
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  1223. # [02:39] <Garbee> Harris, I'm on board with Sublime Text and Google Chrome.
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  1226. # [02:39] <Garbee> Plus the good ol' fashioned LAMP.
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  1229. # [02:40] <k310> Test message (ignore)
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  1234. # [02:41] <nrosa> shepazu: yes, i was able to change cursor before and after drag and drop. not during
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  1236. # [02:41] <Tomato> Just a bug with moving pages, if I try to untic "Leave behind a redirect", the page just won't work and won't move at all, no matter how much you click submit, it only works if you leave behind a redirect, which makes for a lot of useless redirect pages. o; Ryan_Lane
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  1243. # [02:42] <@Ryan_Lane> weird
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  1246. # [02:42] <@Ryan_Lane> redirect pages aren't useless
  1247. # [02:42] <@Ryan_Lane> in general you should always leave redirects
  1248. # [02:42] <Alistair> Wow - a lot of people in here!
  1249. # [02:43] <@shepazu> hi, Alistair
  1250. # [02:43] <Tomato> Well, I just meant in situations where sometimes people just redirected to the wrong name, then there's double redirects or something. With a redirect that no one is going to use.
  1251. # [02:43] <Alistair> Just learned about WebPlatform today
  1252. # [02:43] <andrewjbaker> I'm [probably] not the first person to mention this, and I don't want to start any fisticuffs, but the word 'platform' conjures up visions of a full Web stack in my mind. Are middle-tier and back-end technologies within the scope of WP?
  1253. # [02:43] <@Ryan_Lane> Tomato: ah. right
  1254. # [02:43] <@shepazu> it's really just me in a few hundred chat windows
  1255. # [02:43] <Alistair> As an educator in Web Development, it's exciting!
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  1257. # [02:43] <TehRealGawd> shepazu, who's playing with the irc hostmask?
  1258. # [02:43] <Alistair> Hi @shepazu1
  1259. # [02:43] <TehRealGawd> why is that long gateway/web/qwebirc/blablabla
  1260. # [02:43] <@Ryan_Lane> TehRealGawd: what do you mean?
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  1262. # [02:43] <Alistair> Er Hi @shepazu!
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  1264. # [02:43] <@Ryan_Lane> because freenode requested it
  1265. # [02:44] <@shepazu> Alistair: great to have an educator here!
  1266. # [02:44] <TehRealGawd> oh makes sense Ryan_Lane
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  1268. # [02:44] <jkomoros> Should we add the "is server stuff in scope" question to the FAQ?
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  1270. # [02:44] <jkomoros> @shepazu ^^
  1271. # [02:44] <Tomato> I can still delete the redirect separately of course, I just thought you should know that the tic box isn't working on the move page.
  1272. # [02:44] <@paul_irish> yes
  1273. # [02:44] <@shepazu> jkomoros: yeah, I think so do you agree with the solution?
  1274. # [02:44] <TehRealGawd> andrewjbaker, idt there will be back end sections on this website for the time being
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  1276. # [02:44] <jkomoros> can you repeat it for me?
  1277. # [02:44] <jkomoros> :-)
  1278. # [02:44] <Alistair> I teach at the BC Institute of Technology. I have a lecture tonight and we're covering CSS resets, Boilerplate, some layout things and media queries.
  1279. # [02:44] <@shepazu> jkomoros: if you do, we should just make stubs and an umbrella explanation
  1280. # [02:45] <TehRealGawd> it's a front end for cross compatability between browsers
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  1282. # [02:45] <Alistair> I've added WebPlatform to the agenda as a discussion item.
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  1287. # [02:45] <jkomoros> shepazu: Can you remind me what the solution is?
  1288. # [02:45] <TehRealGawd> andrewjbaker, im sure tons of people would love a place to talk about back end technologies since there really aren't good ones
  1289. # [02:45] <@shepazu> jkomoros: basically, we will include basic intros to a range of server-side languages, but then link out to external sites for that
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  1291. # [02:46] <@shepazu> Alistair: cool!
  1292. # [02:46] <jkomoros> Ah, yeah, that sounds acceptable
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  1294. # [02:46] <TehRealGawd> maybe someone will take inspiration and make a hub for back-end the way WP has made for front-end :P
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  1296. # [02:46] <andrewjbaker> TehRealGawd: Heh, OK.
  1297. # [02:46] <jkomoros> does someone want to write that up and add to FAQ?
  1298. # [02:46] <@shepazu> jkomoros: I can do that
  1299. # [02:46] <jkomoros> Sounds good
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  1301. # [02:47] <Alistair> I'm hoping to get some of the students interested enough to get involved.
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  1304. # [02:47] <Alistair> I'd like to get involved, so I'm poking around to see what the opportunities are.
  1305. # [02:47] <harryrf> Alistair can I PM you?
  1306. # [02:47] <Nickolas11> 123
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  1308. # [02:48] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: did you get that about the $wgMetaNamespace?
  1309. # [02:48] <@paul_irish> Alistair: you've read through http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started ? right now a lot of the contribution ideas are there
  1310. # [02:48] <jkomoros> Alistair: That's great!
  1311. # [02:48] <@paul_irish> also yes.. :) Sounds super awesome
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  1313. # [02:48] <Garbee> Is everything super with you Paul? Can nothing ever be just good or great?
  1314. # [02:48] <@paul_irish> Alistair: most of the folks behind HTML5 Boilerplate (if you're covering that) are involved in webplatform.org
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  1318. # [02:49] <@divya> why do you hate caps, and words so much Garbee
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  1320. # [02:49] <@paul_irish> Garbee: i'm home sick today so my throat is very much not good. aside from that i'm getting fresh homemade soup so things are looking good :)
  1321. # [02:49] <Garbee> divya, Caps I hate just in general. But I swear in every talk I hear from Paul something has to be "super".
  1322. # [02:49] <Alistair> paul: Yes, I'll be coverin H5BP tonight. It's great for students and the segway is perfect
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  1324. # [02:49] <@paul_irish> sweet
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  1326. # [02:50] <@divya> Alistair: where do you teach?
  1327. # [02:50] <Garbee> paul_irish, Aww. Sorry to hear you're sick. Do try some tea too though.
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  1329. # [02:50] <Alistair> BC Institute of Technology
  1330. # [02:50] <@paul_irish> on a tea marathon :) thx
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  1332. # [02:50] <Garbee> Tea and a hot-tub or steaming hot bath always helps me out.
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  1335. # [02:50] <@Ryan_Lane> waldir: eh?
  1336. # [02:50] <Garbee> Wait... You are *sick* and still doing this? /me slaps paul_irish.
  1337. # [02:50] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: it needs to be set to "WPD"
  1338. # [02:50] <Alistair> Thanks for the Getting Started link.
  1339. # [02:51] <@Ryan_Lane> is it not already?
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  1341. # [02:51] <@Ryan_Lane> I'm not touching that one :)
  1342. # [02:51] <waldir> currently it seems to eb defaulting to $wgSiteName
  1343. # [02:51] <@Ryan_Lane> oh
  1344. # [02:51] <waldir> *be
  1345. # [02:51] <@Ryan_Lane> really?
  1346. # [02:51] <Garbee> I need to give you the childish ways again... Sick means no work. Then again for you guys work is fun so... Not really sure where to draw the line there.
  1347. # [02:51] <sudoman> what license is content at http://docs.webplatform.org under?
  1348. # [02:51] <@Ryan_Lane> that makes no sense
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  1350. # [02:51] <Garbee> Ok, I will get back to you on that discipline paul...
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  1352. # [02:51] <@Ryan_Lane> sudoman: in general CC-BY
  1353. # [02:51] <sudoman> Ryan_Lane: in general?
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  1356. # [02:52] <@paul_irish> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Copyright
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  1359. # [02:52] <jkomoros> sudoman: See http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:External_Attribution for more on the exceptions to vanilla CC-BY
  1360. # [02:52] <sudoman> thank you everyone.
  1361. # [02:53] <laba> yo yo yo
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  1363. # [02:53] <sudoman> maybe it would make sense to link to the copyright page from the FAQ, since it's not listed in page footers, where it normally might be.
  1364. # [02:53] <andrewjbaker> "For example, if you were creating a tutorial about a racing game, the URL might be/tutorials/racing_game(you would type intutorials/racing game: the Wiki creates the underscores for you." :-D
  1365. # [02:54] <Garbee> Well, have a good night everyone. Especially to anyone that is sick.
  1366. # [02:54] <jkomoros> sudoman: We have a bug to add the license into the footer
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  1368. # [02:55] <Alistair> Thanks for the pointers, all. Off to lecture the web minds of tomorrow!
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  1376. # [02:56] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: that behavior is what's described at mediawiki.org. See for instance http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers/sysop , the "administrator" links have the "WebPlatform Docs" prefix but it should be "WPD"
  1377. # [02:57] <eternicode> /topic
  1378. # [02:57] <eternicode> woops
  1379. # [02:58] <@Ryan_Lane> waldir: right, but I'm nearly positive we had it set
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  1381. # [02:58] <waldir> Ryan_Lane: well, something clearly is missing :)
  1382. # [02:58] <@Ryan_Lane> fixing that isn't terribly straightforward
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  1384. # [02:58] <@Ryan_Lane> I'm about to leave, so I'm not going to deal with it right now
  1385. # [02:59] <@Ryan_Lane> in case I break everything
  1386. # [02:59] <waldir> lol
  1387. # [02:59] <waldir> I'll make a note then so I can bug someone later
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  1393. # [03:01] <harryrf> Is there a way to submit a bug that you yourself cannot fix?
  1394. # [03:02] <Tomato> harryrf: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Filing_Bugs
  1395. # [03:02] * paul_irish sets mode: +o Garbee
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  1399. # [03:03] <harryrf> Guess I should rtfm
  1400. # [03:03] <Tomato> harryrf: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=webplatform.org You can go here and submit software issues such as extensions, skin, things like that.
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  1403. # [03:03] <@divya> harryrf: read topic
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  1405. # [03:04] <harryrf> ah
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  1409. # [03:07] <@shepazu> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ#Will_this_site_include_information_on_server-side_languages.2C_like_PHP.2C_Perl.2C_Ruby.2C_Python.2C_etc..3F
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  1411. # [03:07] <Anon35> hello?
  1412. # [03:07] <@shepazu> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/server-side_languages
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  1414. # [03:07] <he_> hi
  1415. # [03:08] <@shepazu> ok, server-siders go to town!
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  1418. # [03:08] <he_> r u there
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  1421. # [03:08] <@shepazu> no, I am here, are you there?
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  1423. # [03:08] <harryrf> nicely written
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  1426. # [03:08] <@shepazu> thanks, harryrf
  1427. # [03:08] <he_> where do you from
  1428. # [03:09] <@shepazu> the Internet!
  1429. # [03:09] <he_> can I have a private chat room here
  1430. # [03:09] <@divya> :))))))
  1431. # [03:09] <@shepazu> he_: no, this is for collaboration and help on web development and design
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  1433. # [03:09] <harryrf> he_: Do you mean your own channel?
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  1435. # [03:09] <he_> yes
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  1437. # [03:10] <Nick_Zaccardi> Hello again!
  1438. # [03:10] <harryrf> just use /join and the name of the channel you want to create
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  1455. # [03:15] <bil> hello there
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  1461. # [03:16] <waldir> I'm getting "500 internal server error"... anyone else?
  1462. # [03:17] <harryrf> yep
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  1464. # [03:17] <@Ryan_Lane> on it
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  1468. # [03:17] <waldir> ok
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  1478. # [03:19] <sdfs> hi
  1479. # [03:19] <sdfs> test
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  1482. # [03:19] <Guest75366> hello?
  1483. # [03:20] <harryrf> Hello
  1484. # [03:20] <arno__> hi there... getting a 500 when accessing http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/
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  1486. # [03:20] <arno__> anybody else?
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  1488. # [03:20] <@shepazu> arno__: top men are working on it
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  1491. # [03:20] <goseta> Error 500 Internal in all docs?
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  1493. # [03:20] <goseta> oh ok cool!
  1494. # [03:21] <arno__> great. thanks...
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  1497. # [03:21] <@Ryan_Lane> wow. where the hell is the CSS?
  1498. # [03:22] <@Ryan_Lane> ugh
  1499. # [03:22] <@Ryan_Lane> cached
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  1501. # [03:22] <@Ryan_Lane> seems there's another error in mediawiki there
  1502. # [03:22] <@Ryan_Lane> I have to purge all
  1503. # [03:23] <@Ryan_Lane> back
  1504. # [03:23] <@Ryan_Lane> I need to do some math on the number of apache services running and the number of database connections we need
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  1513. # [03:29] <@Ryan_Lane> ok. adding slave back in
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  1519. # [03:29] <Soichi> hi
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  1528. # [03:30] <test_> test
  1529. # [03:30] <Charun> success!
  1530. # [03:30] <harryrf> test failed
  1531. # [03:30] <Charun> :(
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  1536. # [03:32] <hiramyoucan> where
  1537. # [03:32] <hiramyoucan> who
  1538. # [03:32] <hiramyoucan> how
  1539. # [03:32] <hiramyoucan> what
  1540. # [03:32] <@shepazu> when
  1541. # [03:33] <harryrf> I love the introductions here
  1542. # [03:33] <hiramyoucan> chin
  1543. # [03:33] <hiramyoucan> china
  1544. # [03:33] <@shepazu> ok, hiramyoucan, that's enough :)
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  1549. # [03:34] <@Ryan_Lane> ok. removed the performance tweak on app1 that was likely causing the database connections issue
  1550. # [03:34] <@Ryan_Lane> it was in place for when the static content was being served from it
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  1553. # [03:35] <@shepazu> Ryan_Lane: thanks, man
  1554. # [03:35] <@Ryan_Lane> yw
  1555. # [03:36] <Tomato> shepazu, does promoting an account on the wiki also result in an admin forum account? Did you mean for that to happen because I though you should know I have admin rights on the forum too.
  1556. # [03:37] <@shepazu> Tomato: yeah, I think it does please don't abuse them :)
  1557. # [03:37] <Tomato> Okay, just making sure you knew, I won't, don't worry. :3
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  1565. # [03:41] <yessinito> hi @all
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  1582. # [03:46] <jaycie> hi
  1583. # [03:46] <nm> hi
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  1585. # [03:46] <fooman> hello
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  1588. # [03:47] <jaycie> i'm here first time
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  1592. # [03:47] <cam_> hello
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  1594. # [03:47] <harryrf> jaycie: Welcome!
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  1596. # [03:47] <cam_> pwd
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  1599. # [03:48] <Guest11315> DROP INDEX
  1600. # [03:48] <jaycie> ths
  1601. # [03:48] <Guest11315> DROP `CHAT`
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  1607. # [03:50] <Computer> Hello, world!
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  1609. # [03:50] <ChadT> lol @ Guest11315
  1610. # [03:50] <liuwencheng> hello
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  1612. # [03:51] <liuwencheng> l
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  1619. # [03:52] <Tomato> shepazu, I'm having strange issues with my forum account where I can log on the wiki, but if I switch to forums, it just shows my IP for some reason and all my rights are gone. If I move back to the wiki, it just logs me out again afterwards.
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  1623. # [03:52] <@shepazu> Tomato: OSSO is hard can you please file a bug?
  1624. # [03:52] <Tomato> The account was working fine a second ago, now it's just stuck on my IP for some reason.
  1625. # [03:52] <Tomato> Okay.
  1626. # [03:52] <@shepazu> SSO
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  1632. # [03:53] <tik_> ...
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  1634. # [03:54] <OpenGG> This web IRC use comet?
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  1641. # [03:55] <cheng> 333
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  1644. # [03:56] <zhangsan> hello ,every one
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  1649. # [03:59] <boyso> hello
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  1652. # [04:00] <cyc> hello
  1653. # [04:00] <cyc> anybody here?
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  1656. # [04:00] <Tomato> Hi cyc.
  1657. # [04:00] <Tomato> Hi everyone~
  1658. # [04:01] <Bankzilla> lol
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  1661. # [04:01] <nnnnnnesf> test
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  1670. # [04:04] <agustinkry> hi
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  1672. # [04:04] <Tomato> Hi.
  1673. # [04:04] <agustinkry> one question , if you use display none , content will be loaded ?
  1674. # [04:04] <arkhi1> agustinkry: depends. ?
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  1676. # [04:05] <agustinkry> one question , if you use display none , content will be loaded ?
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  1684. # [04:06] <agustinkry> one question , if you use display none , content will be loaded ?
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  1688. # [04:07] <amidamaru888> hi
  1689. # [04:08] <agustinkry> one question , if you use display none , content will be loaded ?
  1690. # [04:08] <Tomato> Where are you using it?
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  1692. # [04:08] <agustinkry> responsive site
  1693. # [04:08] <agustinkry> for example a gallery
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  1695. # [04:08] <amidamaru888> may iI help translating stuff toSpanish in this site??h
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  1697. # [04:08] <Tomato> display: none, as in the CSS visibility, right?
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  1700. # [04:09] <James> Hello.
  1701. # [04:09] <Tomato> It probably won't display anything depending on what class you used it under.
  1702. # [04:09] <Tomato> Hi James.
  1703. # [04:09] <ctoveloz[BR]> float: right
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  1705. # [04:09] <ctoveloz[BR]> lol
  1706. # [04:09] <agustinkry> but it will make the request ?
  1707. # [04:09] <Guest55871> Guess I can't be James, I am a complete noob here.
  1708. # [04:09] <agustinkry> of images?
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  1710. # [04:09] <Guest55871> Saw this site on tomshardware and decided to take a look.
  1711. # [04:10] <Tomato> Your name might be taken by someone else on Freenode.
  1712. # [04:10] <Tomato> Maybe you can be James2
  1713. # [04:10] <Tomato> Type /nick whateveryouwanthere
  1714. # [04:10] <Tomato> to change your name
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  1718. # [04:10] <viralgeek> What is this all about?
  1719. # [04:10] <James052> That works.
  1720. # [04:10] <James052> Thanks.
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  1722. # [04:11] <Tomato> agustinkry, I guess I'm a little confused on how you're using it, can you paste the coding in here.
  1723. # [04:11] <Tomato> Hi viralgeek!
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  1725. # [04:11] <viralgeek> hey!
  1726. # [04:11] <Tomato> Are you referring to the entire website?
  1727. # [04:11] <steve_s> hello viralgeek
  1728. # [04:11] <viralgeek> yes
  1729. # [04:12] <Tomato> Well, it's about playing for keeps, ya know, we're laying down the free information for you so you can learn how to work on the front end of websites.
  1730. # [04:12] <Tomato> But also, we'll be providing information about some backend aspects too, that's in the works.
  1731. # [04:12] <Tomato> So mostly information about HTML, CSS, Javascript, things like that.
  1732. # [04:12] <Tomato> Plus, a little about php, perl, etc.
  1733. # [04:13] <viralgeek> So how to create great websites?
  1734. # [04:13] <@shepazu> practice
  1735. # [04:13] <steve_s> Anything about .NET and the web?
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  1745. # [04:14] <Guest99587> any one talking?
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  1747. # [04:14] <Tomato> steve_s, I haven't heard anything about .NET, but I'm sure you can propose the idea.
  1748. # [04:14] <Tomato> Hi Guest99587.
  1749. # [04:15] <@paul_irish> steve_s: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ#Will_this_site_include_information_on_server-side_languages.2C_like_PHP.2C_Perl.2C_Ruby.2C_Python.2C_etc..3F
  1750. # [04:15] <Gamfung> www.baidu.com
  1751. # [04:15] <Guest99587> ^ _ ^
  1752. # [04:15] <@paul_irish> hey ryanseddon
  1753. # [04:15] <dren_a> Hi~
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  1755. # [04:15] <Guest99587> ????
  1756. # [04:15] <ryanseddon> paul_irish: yo
  1757. # [04:15] <dren_a> ??,???
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  1759. # [04:15] <steve_s> thank you paul_irish
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  1761. # [04:15] <Gamfung> ????IK
  1762. # [04:15] * paul_irish changes topic to 'WebPlatform: ask and answer questions about web development and design :: FAQ: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ :: logs: http://talk.webplatform.org/chatlogs :: bugs: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org | English only, please'
  1763. # [04:15] <Guest99587> ??????
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  1765. # [04:16] <@paul_irish> English only please. you can create a new channel if you dont want to speak in english
  1766. # [04:16] <dren_a> ???????????
  1767. # [04:16] <Gamfung> only english?
  1768. # [04:16] <dren_a> ?????36Kr???,???
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  1770. # [04:16] <Tomato> Yeah, so everyone can understand you~
  1771. # [04:16] <Guest99587> 36kr??????
  1772. # [04:16] <dren_a> Oh,sorry....
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  1774. # [04:17] <Gamfung> QQ ??
  1775. # [04:17] <Guest99587> ?????????????
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  1777. # [04:17] <steve_s> Tomato...how long have you been involved with webplatform.org and how did you get started with them?
  1778. # [04:17] <dren_a> can you know Chinese?
  1779. # [04:17] <Tomato> I just started today actually.
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  1781. # [04:17] <@paul_irish> /join #webplatform-cn
  1782. # [04:17] <@paul_irish> for chinese go there ^
  1783. # [04:17] <Tomato> But I have been using MediaWiki for five years.
  1784. # [04:17] <steve_s> ok...cool
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  1786. # [04:18] <Tomato> I'm just a volunteer though.
  1787. # [04:18] <dren_a> ping baidu.com
  1788. # [04:18] <Tomato> The people with @ by their name are much more involved and can answer more questions.
  1789. # [04:18] <Gamfung> mediawiki , no idea
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  1791. # [04:18] <dren_a> i guess they are involved in TW...
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  1793. # [04:19] <dren_a> or weibo.com
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  1797. # [04:20] <steve_s> tomato..ok...I'm a .NET developer and just checked in to see what webplatform.org was all about.
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  1801. # [04:21] <steve_s> I've developed a few .aspx sites and am wanting to broaden my experience
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  1803. # [04:21] <Tomato> You should throw the idea out there if you want to write about .NET, the admins around here are pretty flexible and like hearing ideas.
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  1813. # [04:25] <steve_s> ok...thank you for taking the time to respond tomato
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  1820. # [04:26] <Tomato> No problem steve_s.
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  1822. # [04:27] <Tomato> if you want, you can yell at shepazu, that's who I yell at when I have ideas.
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  1824. # [04:27] <emtyvb> oooooooooooooooooo
  1825. # [04:27] <Tomato> Hi emtyvb.
  1826. # [04:27] <emtyvb> eeeeee
  1827. # [04:27] <@shepazu> STOP YELLING AT MEEEE
  1828. # [04:27] <@paul_irish> Tomato: right now backend stuff is out of scope
  1829. # [04:28] <steve_s> how do you leave the chat group?...I'm using Google Chrome
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  1831. # [04:28] <@paul_irish> close the tab?
  1832. # [04:28] <steve_s> ok...I can close the tab...just wondering if there was a command or something
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  1837. # [04:30] <Tomato> ahh okay paul_irish, I just saw shepazu putting some stuff up about php and perl, so I figured if he wanted to ask, that would be the person to go to. Thanks though. :3
  1838. # [04:30] <Tomato> Also, I was just watching a video about Web Platform and saw you in it.
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  1840. # [04:30] <@shepazu> Tomato: nah, I just made placeholders
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  1842. # [04:30] <@shepazu> this project is the first time I've really used PHP
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  1844. # [04:30] <nodexy> Hello there
  1845. # [04:30] <jkomoros> There's now a question on WPD:FAQ about this
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  1847. # [04:30] <jkomoros> thanks to shepazu
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  1851. # [04:31] <gootle> Hi
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  1856. # [04:31] <@shepazu> jkomoros: well, it was your genius idea to put it in the Frequently Asked Questions after I'd answered it myself about 10 times maybe I should have thought of that myself...
  1857. # [04:31] <jkomoros> :-)
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  1859. # [04:32] <@Garbee> webplatform.org ... Keeping people awake since 10-9-2012.
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  1862. # [04:32] <ar_> hi to all
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  1865. # [04:32] <@Garbee> shepazu, Now you will just need to give the FAQ link to everyone who asks since no one actually reads it up front.
  1866. # [04:33] <opaxa> Hi guys
  1867. # [04:33] <@shepazu> Garbee: :) easier than typing it all again
  1868. # [04:33] <@shepazu> hi, opaxa
  1869. # [04:33] <jkomoros> Even better, we just need a bot that automatically responds with the link whenever a new user writes something with a ? in it
  1870. # [04:33] <@Garbee> Also better than me trying to remember what we ended on as far as an answer this morning too.
  1871. # [04:33] <@Garbee> Nah, a bot for ? is going a littel too far.
  1872. # [04:34] <nbmatt> hm
  1873. # [04:34] <jkomoros> I was joking :-)
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  1876. # [04:34] <@Garbee> Perhaps search for any server-side language and "include" and a ?.... then we have a bot.
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  1879. # [04:34] <@Garbee> Needs to be just a tad more targeted. Since any server-side language questions are way out of he scope of even the chatroom.
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  1882. # [04:35] <Tomato> paul_irish or shepazu, http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Es/Animaci%C3%B3n_con_JavaScript Are Spanish pages suppose to be up already? Is the language code suppose to be in front or on the end? How should language links be formatted?
  1883. # [04:36] <opaxa> I have a question for you, about technologies, not about website :) How you see future of web-development? I mean not a wordpress or php, but really big projects. How JS should be organized? What tools use to make templates and stylesheets?
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  1885. # [04:36] <@Garbee> Tomato, It is only the title. How did that happen?
  1886. # [04:37] <@Garbee> I think someone made the title that, or a bad import.
  1887. # [04:37] <nbmatt> is it illegal (in terms of U.S. law) if a webmaster decided to rebel and not follow the standards? just curious how that works :)
  1888. # [04:37] <@Garbee> nbmatt, That depends on *why* you ask.
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  1890. # [04:37] <jkomoros> Tomato: That file's from a long time ago
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  1892. # [04:38] <jkomoros> looks like it was an import of some existing content months ago, before we had even discussed how to handle translations at all
  1893. # [04:38] <Tomato> Ah okay.
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  1895. # [04:38] <Tomato> There are some Japanese pages too.
  1896. # [04:38] <@Garbee> Oh, it is under ES.. maybe it is a test for language support?
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  1898. # [04:39] <jkomoros> We should mark those and make sure we do the right thing with them when we figure out what that is. :-)
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  1903. # [04:39] <Tomato> nbmatt, it would only be illegal if there was some sort of agreement formed between the webmaster and the client. Such as a contract.
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  1905. # [04:39] <@Garbee> Can we please get crap like this deleted? http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/1398/when-is-the-world-gong-to-end
  1906. # [04:39] <Tomato> If you want, I could put them in a "Foreign Language" category or something.
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  1909. # [04:40] <jkomoros> That might be reasonable
  1910. # [04:40] <Tomato> Also Garbee, I would close that but for some reason my admin forum account just broke, so I had to submit a bug for it, you can't see the close button though?
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  1912. # [04:40] <@Garbee> What close button?
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  1915. # [04:41] <@Garbee> hehe, obviously not.
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  1917. # [04:41] <opaxa> ok, looks like you are too busy, so i go
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  1920. # [04:41] <@Garbee> What did opaxa want? I never saw a question.
  1921. # [04:41] <@Garbee> Oh, just found it.
  1922. # [04:41] <Tomato> I didn't see a question from opaxa either.
  1923. # [04:41] <@Garbee> Oh, something I don't think we have the time for right now.
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  1925. # [04:41] <@Garbee> <opaxa> I have a question for you, about technologies, not about website :) How you see future of web-development? I mean not a wordpress or php, but really big projects. How JS should be organized? What tools use to make templates and stylesheets?
  1926. # [04:41] <@Garbee> That was it.
  1927. # [04:42] <Tomato> Oh, I see.
  1928. # [04:42] <@Garbee> Yea, I just logged back into the forum and still don't see a close button.
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  1931. # [04:43] <Tomato> Garbee, if it makes you feel better, maybe your account is just bugged? Mine was working earlier, but now when I move to the forum, it just shows my IP instead of my account and all my rights are gone.
  1932. # [04:43] <Tomato> My admin account on the wiki still works though.
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  1934. # [04:43] <@Garbee> Tomato, I shouldn't have any admin rights on the site itself.
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  1936. # [04:43] <Tomato> Oh okay.
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  1938. # [04:43] <@Garbee> I am only an op here that I know of...
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  1942. # [04:44] <jkomoros> Tomato: Earlier today when I was running between meetings I saw someone talk about making some changes to some of the templates (I think)
  1943. # [04:44] <jkomoros> do you remember who that was or what they were saying?
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  1947. # [04:45] <IRC_MelOn> kk
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  1949. # [04:46] <@paul_irish> jkomoros: afaik that was Tomato
  1950. # [04:46] <Tomato> Probably the admin from wikipedia, waldir.
  1951. # [04:46] <@paul_irish> ya
  1952. # [04:46] <@paul_irish> i thought you wanted to unprotect them :)
  1953. # [04:46] <jkomoros> ah, okay
  1954. # [04:46] <jkomoros> there's a lot of improvement to be done to the various templates
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  1956. # [04:46] <Tomato> I still do, mostly because I don't think people would vandalize them but it's just my own opinion, haha.
  1957. # [04:47] <jkomoros> I've been the informal owner of them so far
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  1959. # [04:47] <jkomoros> but I'm often in meetings during the day, so I can't follow IRC all day :-(
  1960. # [04:47] <jkomoros> I'd love for other folks to help "own" the templates
  1961. # [04:47] <jkomoros> a
  1962. # [04:47] <Tomato> He said he wanted to add something to the template so it would automatically categorize, and give the flags template classes so it was easier to choose flags and let them categorize, then he mentioned something about SMW and asked if I knew about it.
  1963. # [04:47] <Tomato> Then he disappeared, I guess maybe he went to bed or something.
  1964. # [04:47] <jkomoros> ah, right
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  1966. # [04:48] <jkomoros> also, I want to unprotect the templates soon
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  1968. # [04:48] <jkomoros> we just locked down some sensitive pages for the launch crunch
  1969. # [04:48] <Tomato> Ah okay, that makes sense.
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  1971. # [04:48] <jkomoros> and I didn't have a watch list in place, and there weren't enough people watching them closely
  1972. # [04:48] <jkomoros> and that knew how to fix them
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  1974. # [04:49] <jkomoros> Do you have any interest in learning about them?
  1975. # [04:49] <Tomato> I know templates pretty well actually.
  1976. # [04:49] <Tomato> If you want I can edit them.
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  1979. # [04:49] <Tomato> And do that stuff that Waldir mentioned.
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  1981. # [04:49] <jkomoros> have you had a chance to read through http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Implementation_Patterns ?
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  1983. # [04:50] <jkomoros> I'd also like it if we can have discussions about architectural changes to categories/templates/properties on the mailing list
  1984. # [04:50] <jkomoros> t
  1985. # [04:50] <Tomato> I checked it out earlier, mostly when we were talking about SMW.
  1986. # [04:50] <jkomoros> hat way folks who can't be on the IRC channel all day (like me) can still weigh in
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  1988. # [04:50] <Tomato> Yeah that would be really nice because the categories are a little crazy right now.
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  1990. # [04:51] <jkomoros> yeah, there's TONS of room for improvement
  1991. # [04:51] <Tomato> I spent a few hours sorting like 300 or so uncategorized pages with a friend, but there's still a lot of duplicate categorizes.
  1992. # [04:51] <jkomoros> what part of the world are you from?
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  1994. # [04:51] <kcy> a
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  1996. # [04:51] <@Garbee> It works kcy.
  1997. # [04:52] <divya_> hey
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  1999. # [04:52] <kcy> hi,i am new here!
  2000. # [04:52] <Tomato> Hi kcy!
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  2002. # [04:52] <@Garbee> kcy, Everyone is new here. It launched a day ago. ;)
  2003. # [04:52] <@Garbee> Welcome though.
  2004. # [04:52] <divya_> hey hw u
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  2006. # [04:53] * @Garbee hopes my sarcasm didn't scare them off.
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  2009. # [04:54] <bugss> hi
  2010. # [04:54] <Tomato> Hi bugss.
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  2017. # [04:55] <Raymin> hello
  2018. # [04:55] <luckyjajj> hi
  2019. # [04:55] <Tomato> jkomoros, should I start editing templates or wait until they get discussed more with the mailing list?
  2020. # [04:55] <Tomato> Hi Raymin and luckyjajj.
  2021. # [04:55] <jkomoros> Why don't you propose your changes you want to make on the mailing list?
  2022. # [04:56] <thinkoo> hello
  2023. # [04:56] <jkomoros> for all intents and purposes, at this point I'm the only person that needs to respond
  2024. # [04:56] <Tomato> Okay, that would be awesome.
  2025. # [04:56] <Raymin> Hi Tomato
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  2027. # [04:56] <jkomoros> but it will be good to have a more permanent record, and also to ensure that I get a chance to see that stuff (I'm not always able to be in IRC)
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  2030. # [04:56] <@Garbee> jkomoros, It is also good to get others input still. Perhaps someone else will see a different way of doing things.
  2031. # [04:57] <jkomoros> yep
  2032. # [04:57] <jkomoros> definitely
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  2034. # [04:57] <@Garbee> I feel like inbox explosion is about to occur from this mailing list.
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  2036. # [04:57] <@Garbee> I may need to do like I did with kernel.org and make a dedicated email account for it.
  2037. # [04:57] <jkomoros> well, we've already got IRC explosion
  2038. # [04:57] <@Garbee> I think explosion in here understates it.
  2039. # [04:57] <jkomoros> you might be able to use filters and such
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  2041. # [04:58] <jkomoros> brb
  2042. # [04:58] <@Garbee> jkomoros, hosted via my web host, not that kind of control and I don't feel like piping.
  2043. # [04:58] <@Garbee> err, forwarding would be the proper term for email.
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  2046. # [05:00] <divya__> hey wh ar u
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  2051. # [05:01] <nbmatt> irc explosion lol.. how many people are in here? the web client doesn't show ^_^
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  2053. # [05:01] <cocushio> this is neat
  2054. # [05:01] <@Garbee> 1921.
  2055. # [05:01] <@Garbee> 191*
  2056. # [05:01] <@Garbee> 191 people in the room with 6 Ops.
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  2058. # [05:02] <nbmatt> interesting.. you guys are reviving irc haha
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  2062. # [05:03] <JerryBolokinoz> Hello everybody from Brazil
  2063. # [05:04] <@Garbee> nbmatt, Do remember people tend to lurk quite a bit in IRC.
  2064. # [05:04] <Nick_Zaccardi> Hello JerryBolokinoz
  2065. # [05:04] <Tomato_> nbmatt, this IRC is always bumpin!
  2066. # [05:04] <Tomato_> It's a party in here
  2067. # [05:04] <Nick_Zaccardi> Tomato_: you get your Admin?
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  2069. # [05:04] <JerryBolokinoz> toc toc
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  2074. # [05:05] <arkhi1> Hello from China JerryBolokinoz
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  2076. # [05:05] <@Garbee> What IRC clients do you guys use? I don't need any explinations, just names please.
  2077. # [05:05] <arkhi1> Garbee: Thunderbird
  2078. # [05:06] <@Garbee> Wait... When did Thunderbird start doing IRC?
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  2081. # [05:06] <arkhi1> Since version 15 :)
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  2083. # [05:06] <Nick_Zaccardi> LimeChat
  2084. # [05:06] <nbmatt> i never knew that either
  2085. # [05:07] <@Garbee> arkhi1, Wow. Too bad I don't do desktop email anymore. :(
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  2087. # [05:07] <arkhi1> Garbee: Facebook, Google Talk, IRC, XMPP, Twitter
  2088. # [05:07] <@Garbee> Still, I can't really use that in something I'm mocking up. Too much extra stuff.
  2089. # [05:08] <@Garbee> arkhi1, I saw in the release notes.
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  2091. # [05:08] <@Garbee> Nick_Zaccardi, Nice! I forgot about that one and i know many love it.
  2092. # [05:08] <Nick_Zaccardi> It you are on a Mac it is really nice
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  2095. # [05:09] <nbmatt> before i stopped using irc a couple years ago i used my own.. wanted simple minus the bells and whistles but beyond that if i needed to use any scripting i ran mirc
  2096. # [05:09] <Nick_Zaccardi> git is fighting me today
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  2098. # [05:10] <@Garbee> I like how LimeChat is basically a web page.
  2099. # [05:10] <arkhi1> Nick_Zaccardi: Dont fight Bend as the reed
  2100. # [05:10] <@Garbee> It uses CSS for easy changing of styles.
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  2102. # [05:11] <@Garbee> Too bad I don't have a Mac to be able to run it. :/
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  2104. # [05:11] <Nick_Zaccardi> I thought git reset got rid of local changed...
  2105. # [05:11] <Nick_Zaccardi> changes*
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  2111. # [05:13] <arkhi1> Nick_Zaccardi: It gets rid of local changes locally if you dont pass more options, I think.
  2112. # [05:13] <JerryBolokinoz> What is the best site to test my website performance?
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  2114. # [05:13] <@Garbee> JerryBolokinoz, I use http://gtmetrix.com and http://webpagetest.org
  2115. # [05:14] <JerryBolokinoz> oh great! thaks!!
  2116. # [05:14] <@Garbee> Be warned, getting 100% is not always the best.
  2117. # [05:14] <@Garbee> A general guide for me is to have 90% or greater.
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  2119. # [05:14] <@Garbee> At least on Gtmetrix.
  2120. # [05:15] <wghenderson> you might also check out http://stevesouders.com/ he has some great tools for accessing performance
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  2122. # [05:15] <kjhkjh> hi
  2123. # [05:16] <@Garbee> There is something else we can add to the site... Speed tips and testing.
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  2125. # [05:16] <NotTomato> Hi.
  2126. # [05:17] <arkhi1> Ho NotTomato.
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  2129. # [05:18] <Bankzilla> agustinkry: sorry if this has already been answered: Yes it will make a request, but it wont show it on the page. So the element is still there on the page, it's just hidden
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  2148. # [05:22] <@Garbee> Any input on my reformed chat page? http://test.jonathangarbee.com/
  2149. # [05:23] <@Garbee> Could probably use a few more clients.
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  2152. # [05:24] <Tomato> Garbee, sorry I disconnected, which clients? o;
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  2157. # [05:25] <@Garbee> Tomato, I was asking what IRC clients people used to link to in my idea for a reformed chat page. http://test.jonathangarbee.com/ If you have any suggestions please let me know.
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  2163. # [05:27] <Tomato> HexChat? It's basically XChat, except instead it's free. Pidgin is also pretty good for IRC and also allows you to connect to other things, I've used that before too.
  2164. # [05:28] <Ricky_zhang> hey
  2165. # [05:28] <@Garbee> Tomato, Xchat is free, except for Windows. And there is a installer from Silverex for Windows that is free but uses GTK instead of the Windows UI engine.
  2166. # [05:28] <gelatocar> I'm using adium for mac at the min, I haven't used IRC much but it seems to work well.
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  2168. # [05:28] <Tomato> Yeah, I just mean HexChat was free for windows.
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  2170. # [05:29] <@Garbee> I'm going to add a link to pidgin and a few others. I'm not going to worry about linking to forks of paid for software made free since if people *really* care they will search themselves.
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  2174. # [05:29] <Tomato> Yeah true, okay. (:
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  2178. # [05:30] <@Garbee> I'd hope that users may install one and decide they like it and pay for the development time compared to just linking to free versions everywhere. I think devs to deserve a little cash for their efforts, so why not help out a little.
  2179. # [05:30] <xiaopangge> ??????
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  2181. # [05:31] <Tomato> I guess I was just thinking of people who might not have too much money to spare, but of course, if they want something free, they can look it up.
  2182. # [05:31] <@Garbee> Is it *legal* to fork xchat and make it free on Windows. Ofc it is. But I still feel a little better by not linking to all that just to help people avoid paying for other peoples time.
  2183. # [05:31] <arkhi1> Garbee: Pidgin?
  2184. # [05:31] <pwnang> /msg nickserv help
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  2186. # [05:31] <@Garbee> Pidgin is a chat client for all kinds of protocols including IRC.
  2187. # [05:31] <arkhi1> Garbee: Sorry, didnt read the whole backlog before suggesting. :p
  2188. # [05:31] <@Garbee> http://pidgin.im/
  2189. # [05:32] <arkhi1> (that was a suggestion, yes)
  2190. # [05:32] <@Garbee> Oh, that was another suggestion.
  2191. # [05:32] <@Garbee> ok, we are on the same page now then.
  2192. # [05:32] <arkhi1> Sorry for the confusion. :)
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  2195. # [05:32] <@Garbee> It is all cool. We didn't get too far into some random conversation over miscommunication... Which actually happens to me a bit too often.
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  2200. # [05:33] <arkhi1> You can alternatively link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC#Clients
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  2204. # [05:34] <@Garbee> Even better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_Relay_Chat_clients
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  2212. # [05:35] <www_> hello
  2213. # [05:35] <ryanseddon> gonna push a blog post live real soon but check out how broken optgroups are in iOS6 safari http://youtu.be/PPRUVzeo4TM
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  2221. # [05:37] <Tomato> Oh god, Mechromancer just came out for Borderlands 2 early, I have to go play omg. I'll be back in the morning.
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  2225. # [05:38] <xiaopangge> ??.??????
  2226. # [05:39] <Tomato> Also hi xiaopangge.
  2227. # [05:39] <Tomato> Please speak English so we can understand you!
  2228. # [05:39] <xiaopangge> OK
  2229. # [05:40] <Tomato> Thanks. :D
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  2233. # [05:41] <wghenderson> thats some f'd up shit ryanseddon
  2234. # [05:41] <ctoveloz[BR]> HexChat is the best
  2235. # [05:41] <@Garbee> wghenderson, What is?
  2236. # [05:41] <wghenderson> the broken optgroups in iOS6
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  2238. # [05:42] <director> hi there
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  2243. # [05:42] <@Garbee> Oh, that stuff. I'm thinking it is just a bug and will get fixed.
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  2247. # [05:43] <wghenderson> Probably, but working in the mobile space it is good to know
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  2251. # [05:44] <Afei> ??????
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  2253. # [05:44] <@Garbee> wghenderson, Any issues like that are good to know. Then you don't try to do something and spend hours attempting to figure it out.
  2254. # [05:44] <@Garbee> ;)
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  2256. # [05:44] <wghenderson> agreed, been there done that
  2257. # [05:44] <@Garbee> Afei, Please speak English and use UTF-8 Characters.
  2258. # [05:45] <@Garbee> Oh, the time I have wasted debugging known bugs...
  2259. # [05:45] <@Garbee> Freaking Gnome/Unity.
  2260. # [05:45] <@Garbee> ^^Why I don't use Linux as my desktop OS anymore.
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  2262. # [05:45] <Afei> Hello,Bird.
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  2264. # [05:46] <www_> ???w
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  2266. # [05:46] <wghenderson> @Garbee i can imagine
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  2271. # [05:47] <achuan> everybody ???,china welcome you!
  2272. # [05:49] <bird_> hi,all
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  2285. # [05:56] <arkhi> ?? achuan, hello achuan
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  2288. # [05:57] <Tomato> Hi arkhi, welcome!
  2289. # [05:57] <Tomato> Hi bird_.
  2290. # [05:57] <arkhi> Hello again Tomato :)
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  2294. # [05:57] <sss> hi
  2295. # [05:57] <Tomato> Hi.
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  2297. # [05:58] <achuan> ???arkhi
  2298. # [05:58] <achuan> ???<arkhi>
  2299. # [05:58] <achuan> ???!arkhi
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  2307. # [06:03] <WHAT-IF> nn
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  2310. # [06:03] <BaMetBoDoi> ?
  2311. # [06:03] <WHAT-IF> Are you sleeping ?
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  2320. # [06:06] <Guest14191> Why did my nick change?
  2321. # [06:07] <Tomato_> Because someone else on Freenode is using your name.
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  2323. # [06:07] <Guest14191> ah
  2324. # [06:07] <eternicode> or vice versa
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  2327. # [06:07] <Tomato_> Type /nick whateveryouwanthere to change your nickname
  2328. # [06:07] <tony_> hello
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  2331. # [06:07] <praveen___> hello
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  2334. # [06:07] <Ali> Hi
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  2336. # [06:07] <steveyang> successfully changed my name lol
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  2338. # [06:07] <Ali> this looks fimiliar
  2339. # [06:08] <Tomato_> Hi Ali.
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  2341. # [06:08] <Nick_Zaccardi> I give up... today is just not my day
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  2343. # [06:08] <Ali> it has sound aswell
  2344. # [06:08] <Tomato_> What's wrong Nick_Zaccardi?
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  2347. # [06:08] <lele__> Hello everyone
  2348. # [06:08] <Nick_Zaccardi> Tomato_: git is fighting me, php is fighting me, my server is fighting me...
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  2351. # [06:09] <Nick_Zaccardi> I think it is time for a new language!
  2352. # [06:09] <Nick_Zaccardi> Python... here I come
  2353. # [06:09] <lele__> it's time to lunch
  2354. # [06:09] <Tomato_> python is fun.
  2355. # [06:10] <Nick_Zaccardi> Rumor has it...
  2356. # [06:10] <plamoni> How about Ruby? It's fun for at least one program :-P
  2357. # [06:10] <lele__> One program?
  2358. # [06:10] <Nick_Zaccardi> I gave Ruby a shack a few months back
  2359. # [06:10] <Ali> Python is just fun
  2360. # [06:10] <charlieok> I tried to create an account on webplatform.org but it said The user account was not created, as we could not confirm its source. Ensure you have cookies enabled, reload this page and try again. However I *do* have cookies enabled
  2361. # [06:10] <Nick_Zaccardi> Here is the thing I like about pgp
  2362. # [06:10] <Nick_Zaccardi> php*
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  2364. # [06:11] <Nick_Zaccardi> Get a LAMP running and it jut goes
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  2366. # [06:11] <Nick_Zaccardi> And let's be honest it is not hard to get a LAMP running
  2367. # [06:11] <plamoni> Nick_Zaccardi: Yeah, but it's wicked hard to secure
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  2369. # [06:11] <Tomato_> charlieok, try hard refreshing and registering again, hit ctrl+f5
  2370. # [06:12] <Nick_Zaccardi> maybe, but I am not writing defense code...
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  2372. # [06:12] <Nick_Zaccardi> not that security isn't important... I just mean that the barrier to entry is work the risk
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  2375. # [06:13] <plamoni> I think the problem with LAMP servers is the L and A parts and maybe the M
  2376. # [06:13] <plamoni> and partially the P
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  2378. # [06:13] <plamoni> if you want to do web development, there's no need to become a sysadmin in the process
  2379. # [06:13] <lele__> It s time for lunch
  2380. # [06:13] <lele__> It s time for lunch
  2381. # [06:14] <lele__> It s time for lunch
  2382. # [06:14] <lele__> It s time for lunch
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  2384. # [06:14] <plamoni> there are some really nice "PaaS" solutions out there
  2385. # [06:14] <Nick_Zaccardi> lele__: congrats.
  2386. # [06:14] <plamoni> like AppEngine
  2387. # [06:14] <plamoni> and Heroku
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  2389. # [06:14] <plamoni> that will let you ignore the LA and most of the M, and stick to the P or J of your choice :-D
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  2391. # [06:15] <plamoni> fewer parts to manage == much easier to secure
  2392. # [06:15] <charlieok> I'm wondering what the registration page on webplatform.org means by we could not confirm its source. What exactly is it attempting to confirm?
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  2394. # [06:15] <Nick_Zaccardi> plamoni: I agree. Do you know of any Python PaaS that run with 3.0
  2395. # [06:16] <plamoni> i don't think AppEngine supports 3.0 yet
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  2397. # [06:16] <plamoni> but it's certainly my PaaS choice for Python
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  2401. # [06:17] <Nick_Zaccardi> I will have to give it a chance
  2402. # [06:17] <plamoni> heroku also supports python
  2403. # [06:17] <plamoni> but also not 3.0 yet
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  2405. # [06:17] <Nick_Zaccardi> I have minimal experience with heroku
  2406. # [06:18] <plamoni> i'm growing to love heroku's git-based deployment model
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  2408. # [06:18] <Nick_Zaccardi> That is handy
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  2410. # [06:19] <Nick_Zaccardi> But you need to have a local dev set up
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  2413. # [06:19] <plamoni> yeah, but it's not hard
  2414. # [06:19] <plamoni> you just need Node.js
  2415. # [06:19] <Nick_Zaccardi> which means you are back to dev-ops again
  2416. # [06:19] <Mr_Sunshyne> Thanks for launching this platform.
  2417. # [06:19] <jjjjjkl> lool
  2418. # [06:19] <Mr_Sunshyne> Hope it helps many people!
  2419. # [06:19] <Mr_Sunshyne> :P
  2420. # [06:19] <Mr_Sunshyne> glhf
  2421. # [06:20] <plamoni> but it's pretty minimal and with LAMP, you're stuck trying to manage configuration between your different tiers (dev and prod)
  2422. # [06:20] <jjjjjkl> its chat table really?
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  2425. # [06:20] <plamoni> and with something like Heroku, the configuration is managed via Git, so it's easily copied over
  2426. # [06:20] <Nick_Zaccardi> I suppose.
  2427. # [06:21] <Nick_Zaccardi> This all goes back to a few things
  2428. # [06:21] <Nick_Zaccardi> well, one big thing
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  2430. # [06:21] <Nick_Zaccardi> It is not easy to develop for the web any more
  2431. # [06:21] <plamoni> it was easy before?
  2432. # [06:21] <Nick_Zaccardi> easier than it is now
  2433. # [06:22] <plamoni> was it? or was it just that people set their bar a bit lower? :-)
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  2435. # [06:22] <Nick_Zaccardi> maybe, maybe not
  2436. # [06:22] <plamoni> i mean, if you just want to drop some HTML on a web server, that's easier than ever
  2437. # [06:22] <charlieok> Looks like webplatform.org will happily create an account using an email address from a well-known provider like gmail.com but will fail to confirm if given an email from (in my case) a domain I registered myself
  2438. # [06:22] <plamoni> but that's not enough anymore
  2439. # [06:22] <Nick_Zaccardi> true.
  2440. # [06:22] <Nick_Zaccardi> regardless
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  2444. # [06:23] <Nick_Zaccardi> It is not easy and I find myself getting frustrated more and more
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  2448. # [06:23] <Nick_Zaccardi> maybe I am just dumb...
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  2450. # [06:23] <Nick_Zaccardi> :)
  2451. # [06:24] <Nick_Zaccardi> When all else fails self-deprecate! jk.
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  2454. # [06:24] <plamoni> it's probably not that if you're here, you're thinkin' with the right brain cells
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  2460. # [06:25] <Nick_Zaccardi> well, those brain cells are shutting off quickly... Tomorrow is a new day. until then, gn
  2461. # [06:25] <Guest91974> hi
  2462. # [06:25] <plamoni> heck, you've got paul_irish here to answer all your frontend development questions and probably a bunch more people I really should know but don't :-/
  2463. # [06:25] <charlieok> Did I break a rule here? I apologize if I did...
  2464. # [06:25] <plamoni> night, Nick_Zaccardi!
  2465. # [06:25] <Nick_Zaccardi> plamoni: good night. talk to you soon!
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  2471. # [06:27] <Tomato_> charliok, that's interesting. you can report the issue as a bug and see if someone can fix it.
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  2475. # [06:28] <tunxtinx> hi
  2476. # [06:28] <Tomato_> Oh wait, he left. shoot~
  2477. # [06:28] <Tomato_> Hi tunxtinx.
  2478. # [06:28] <Tomato_> I guess I'll report it.
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  2507. # [06:37] <_iuyi> hi
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  2516. # [06:40] <gently> hello
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  2530. # [06:43] <NeXy> hi i am younger developer from Russia
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  2533. # [06:44] <XING_> HELO
  2534. # [06:44] <Tomato_> Welcome NeXy.
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  2536. # [06:45] <NeXy> Where find good job if my town is not big? Where i could found a job in internet ?
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  2541. # [06:45] <TehRealGawd> NeXy, most people don't hire front-end from developers unless they have a degree and extensive experience
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  2544. # [06:46] <TehRealGawd> and then they just use wordpress and other things
  2545. # [06:46] <astropirate_> what?
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  2547. # [06:46] <astropirate_> thats not true
  2548. # [06:46] <astropirate_> well..
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  2550. # [06:46] <astropirate_> it might be
  2551. # [06:46] <astropirate_> but not so much for freelance stuff
  2552. # [06:46] <astropirate_> or if you got the inside hooksies
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  2555. # [06:47] <TehRealGawd> front-end is so easy to do though that many people use pre-compiled websites
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  2557. # [06:47] <TehRealGawd> and the ones who don't use those already have their site made
  2558. # [06:47] <XING_> ping www.baidu.com
  2559. # [06:47] <NeXy> But how they start their career ?
  2560. # [06:47] <TehRealGawd> front-end web development is dying job market in my opinion
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  2563. # [06:48] <astropirate_> i think its steady
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  2567. # [06:48] <astropirate_> NeXy, depends on what kind of jobs you want. if you want small-time jobs try odeks elance guru etc
  2568. # [06:48] <XING_> this application is long polling
  2569. # [06:48] <XING_> ???
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  2571. # [06:48] <XING_> this application is long polling??????
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  2573. # [06:48] <XING_> or websocket
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  2575. # [06:48] <paris> Hola
  2576. # [06:49] <anil> hi
  2577. # [06:49] <paris> Alguien que hable espaol??
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  2579. # [06:49] <Tomato_> The admins ask that you speak English in this channel, paris.
  2580. # [06:49] <anil> may i know when will you complete this website
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  2585. # [06:50] <NeXy> Ok, but if i want create own project, what do i do ?
  2586. # [06:50] <astropirate_> NeXy, you start it
  2587. # [06:50] <astropirate_> NeXy, not sure what you are asking
  2588. # [06:51] <redboot> NeXy: What's the project?
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  2590. # [06:51] <ff_> ll
  2591. # [06:51] <ff_> pp
  2592. # [06:51] <ff_> aa
  2593. # [06:51] <ff_> cc
  2594. # [06:51] <ff_> ..
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  2599. # [06:52] <jackie_> oh well...what's this?
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  2601. # [06:52] <DEEJAY_> COOL best ))
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  2604. # [06:54] <redboot> Bye
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  2610. # [06:56] * Quber slaps ralphholzmann around a bit with a large fishbot
  2611. # [06:56] <Vasant_> Hi
  2612. # [06:56] <Vasant_> all
  2613. # [06:56] <Quber> Hi
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  2625. # [07:00] <__fddfadf> liddfdf
  2626. # [07:00] <__fddfadf> zxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  2627. # [07:00] <__fddfadf> vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvf
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  2633. # [07:02] <hummermania> Hello ??????
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  2635. # [07:02] <hamed> alpha
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  2648. # [07:05] <tom> hi
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  2651. # [07:05] <wonsuk> Hi. tom
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  2653. # [07:05] <ry_> hi
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  2655. # [07:06] <wonsuk> It's funny ;)
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  2670. # [07:11] <doom_> hello
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  2673. # [07:13] <wilan> hi there
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  2675. # [07:13] <phantom> hi
  2676. # [07:13] <wilan> someone over here?
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  2678. # [07:14] <phantom> yep phantom here
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  2680. # [07:14] <wilan> so, who are u phantom?
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  2682. # [07:14] <Guest62484> web developer
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  2687. # [07:15] <wilan> this is boring...
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  2689. # [07:15] <seeto> amazing
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  2694. # [07:16] <wilan> [b] im from dominican republic[/b]
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  2711. # [07:19] <Croal> Hello
  2712. # [07:19] <darkodelta> hi
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  2715. # [07:20] <darkodelta> are these irc chats running on freenode.net or some other servers?
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  2719. # [07:21] <hate606> ????
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  2722. # [07:22] <arkhi> darkodelta: Yes, Its on Freenode.
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  2724. # [07:22] <darkodelta> thanks
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  2727. # [07:23] <arkhi> darkodelta: http://talk.webplatform.org/
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  2730. # [07:24] <darkodelta> i see now
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  2741. # [07:25] <ChosenMango> I'm really into web standards. and pimple popping websites
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  2746. # [07:26] <hate606> ????2
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  2750. # [07:26] <ruby_on_tails> hello
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  2752. # [07:27] <hate606> hello
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  2756. # [07:28] <amirlol> hello
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  2761. # [07:30] <Guest99935> Does Web Platform support multilingual right now? I can't see any way to edit content in another language?
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  2766. # [07:31] <arkhi> Hi Guest99935.
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  2769. # [07:31] <arkhi> Guest99935: It should be possible in a few weeks, if the answer I had yesterday was correct.
  2770. # [07:31] <llll> test ....
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  2772. # [07:32] <Guest99935> @arkhi: Thanks! I see.
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  2791. # [07:38] <Guest39771> hi. i need web developer for new site. who has a portfolio? thks
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  2798. # [07:39] <h2o> wow there is a crap load of people in here
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  2812. # [07:43] <bnet> hi
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  2843. # [07:56] <ary> hi guys
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  2847. # [07:57] <play> No one to speak?
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  2850. # [07:58] <play> I'm gone!
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  2855. # [08:00] <Guest58224> Hi all
  2856. # [08:01] <arkhi> hi Guest58224
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  2861. # [08:03] <Guest58224> Has this site been helpful to anyone since it launched
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  2876. # [08:10] <olp> hello all
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  2889. # [08:13] <Amfibi9> Hi)
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  2894. # [08:13] <PingWin87> ???? ??, ??? ??? ?? ???????
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  2897. # [08:14] <arkhi> PingWin87: Sorry, we only speak English here.
  2898. # [08:14] <nick> !info
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  2902. # [08:15] <PingWin87> why?
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  2904. # [08:15] <Alfonso_2412> :)
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  2910. # [08:16] <arkhi> PingWin87: I suppose to avoid a really confused conversation when this happens.
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  2916. # [08:17] <Dinesh_> hi friends
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  2928. # [08:19] <zhodge> hey all
  2929. # [08:19] <zhodge> any way to find all of the stubs?
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  2934. # [08:20] <THANGLH> CHAT
  2935. # [08:20] <THANGLH> TEST
  2936. # [08:20] <THANGLH> HI ALL
  2937. # [08:20] <art-divin> hi there
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  2941. # [08:21] <Faruk> hello
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  2951. # [08:23] <Anenth> hi
  2952. # [08:23] <Anenth> wow this is great
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  2954. # [08:23] <JohnJohn> Hi
  2955. # [08:23] <arkhi> hello art-divin, and Anenth
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  2961. # [08:24] <Anenth> hello arkhi
  2962. # [08:24] <JohnJohn> Have a question already, am using latest Google Chrome with all default settings and somehow it displays all websites Headers and Input boxes in italic...why is that|?
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  2968. # [08:25] <test_> #exit
  2969. # [08:25] <astropirate_> So.......
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  2971. # [08:25] <astropirate_> Anyone hirigin? :D
  2972. # [08:25] <arkhi> JohnJohn: Do you have URL and screenshots?
  2973. # [08:25] <LeoKwok> :)
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  2975. # [08:25] <art-divin> as i suspect, this platform is intended to become the main competitor for stackoverflow :)
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  2980. # [08:26] <JohnJohn> there is no URL as it happens on all websites
  2981. # [08:26] <arkhi> art-divin: This should probably better be an educational content, more than a help platform.
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  2984. # [08:27] <JohnJohn> and sceenshots, just imagine all header tags being italic :) haha
  2985. # [08:27] <arkhi> Thats how I understood it, at least.
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  2989. # [08:28] <JohnJohn> weird thing is that this only happen on Google chrome browser, firefox and IE are fine
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  2992. # [08:29] <art-divin> well, it's very nice for all those software giants to participate in something ONE and Open!
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  2995. # [08:29] <minnie> a?
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  2997. # [08:30] <Guest55021> ??????????
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  3005. # [08:31] <arkhi> Guest55021: ?????? ;)
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  3009. # [08:33] <arkhi> Oh That was a bad typo in Chinese
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  3012. # [08:34] <bhjhg> hi
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  3041. # [08:42] <mxaos> hi
  3042. # [08:42] <Peskovdv> hello all
  3043. # [08:42] <mxaos> anybody here?
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  3046. # [08:42] <arkhi> indeed mxaos
  3047. # [08:42] <arkhi> hello
  3048. # [08:42] <mxaos> so many people involved in html5/css3?
  3049. # [08:42] <tocka_> this is something new
  3050. # [08:42] <tocka_> ::)))
  3051. # [08:43] <mxaos> hi arkhi
  3052. # [08:43] <mxaos> hi tocka
  3053. # [08:43] <arkhi> But most of people in US are sleeping, and Chinese I saw coming here were speaking chinese and left shortly after. :p
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  3057. # [08:43] <mxaos> just bought two books on the subject
  3058. # [08:43] <mxaos> seems great
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  3060. # [08:44] <mxaos> i'm a bit late
  3061. # [08:44] <arkhi> It is. :)
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  3063. # [08:44] <mxaos> are you a web designer arkhi?
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  3065. # [08:45] <arkhi> Probably closer to the frontend dev
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  3067. # [08:45] <Peskovdv> Who can look at my project and evaluate its usability?
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  3069. # [08:45] <Peskovdv> please
  3070. # [08:45] <BlocksBerg> Test
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  3073. # [08:46] <mxaos> cool this old flavoured irc chat
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  3075. # [08:47] <BlocksBerg> 1598645
  3076. # [08:47] <BlocksBerg> 1111111
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  3078. # [08:47] <mxaos> seem being back to '90s :)
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  3081. # [08:47] <mxaos> ok c u soon bye
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  3083. # [08:47] <arkhi> bye mxaos
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  3087. # [08:48] <Emily_> this is nice
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  3092. # [08:48] <iwihuj> hi
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  3100. # [08:49] <FR_> ???
  3101. # [08:49] <FR_> TW
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  3109. # [08:51] <johanderowan> i want to contribute to webplatform, but i'm not sure where to put my content (tutorials)
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  3114. # [08:52] <johanderowan> for example, i have this tutorial on how to implement a google map with directions... can i put it in the docs, and if so: where?
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  3116. # [08:52] <arkhi> Hi johanderowan
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  3118. # [08:52] <johanderowan> hi :)
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  3120. # [08:52] <arkhi> You might be willing to look at the topic of the chan
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  3122. # [08:53] <arkhi> I think what youre looking for is there.
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  3124. # [08:53] <arkhi> But maybe you can have a look at this as well: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started
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  3126. # [08:54] <Richard_Ainz> put it under media queries
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  3131. # [08:54] <johanderowan> i'll check it out, thanks
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  3137. # [08:56] <Jahlom> Can you use web-socket to communicate with a database? I want an alternative to the sever scripting languages like ASP PHP Ruby Python and the others
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  3144. # [08:58] <horse_ebooks> https://soundcloud.com/sneakyness/rough_20th_operater1_disaster
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  3152. # [09:01] <qwert54321> hi
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  3158. # [09:03] <holo> ????
  3159. # [09:03] <holo> web socket?
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  3162. # [09:03] <_cheney> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/WebSockets
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  3167. # [09:04] <meetin> hi
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  3170. # [09:04] <lopopo> ????
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  3179. # [09:07] <arkhi> lopopo: As the topic says, please use English in this chan.
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  3198. # [09:12] <td> wow
  3199. # [09:12] <td> hi
  3200. # [09:13] <Richard_Ainz> hi
  3201. # [09:13] <td> nice work
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  3203. # [09:13] <Richard_Ainz> wouldnt know, I am n00b here
  3204. # [09:13] <td> who did it?
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  3207. # [09:14] <Richard_Ainz> out of curiosity, did what, td?
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  3223. # [09:18] <astropirate_> Is this freenode's troll centeral
  3224. # [09:18] <astropirate_> lol
  3225. # [09:18] <astropirate_> all i've seen for the past two days
  3226. # [09:18] <astropirate_> is peple coming here saying high
  3227. # [09:18] <astropirate_> hi*
  3228. # [09:18] <astropirate_> and then slapping each other with trouts :S
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  3231. # [09:19] <k2> hii
  3232. # [09:19] <ctoveloz[BR]> astropirate_, hi
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  3234. # [09:19] <k2> may I know wer ur from
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  3238. # [09:20] <ctoveloz[BR]> i iam from brazil
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  3240. # [09:20] <astropirate_> Afghanistan
  3241. # [09:20] <arkhi> China
  3242. # [09:20] <MaSTeRx> Lithuania
  3243. # [09:21] <arkhi> If you imply the country of residence and not the country where ones born. :)
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  3245. # [09:21] <geroinfo> Repblica Dominicana
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  3249. # [09:22] <StikMan> Moldova republic
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  3252. # [09:22] <ctoveloz[BR]> arkhi, ... live argentina
  3253. # [09:22] <astropirate_> The dark side of the moon
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  3265. # [09:25] <Hoang_Minh_Hai> hay nhi
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  3267. # [09:25] <orcx> hi
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  3271. # [09:26] <orcx> say smt
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  3285. # [09:27] <ky> hi
  3286. # [09:28] <baotm> hello
  3287. # [09:28] <JakeA> Feature request: Put WPD in search results or urls
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  3292. # [09:28] <JakeA> I often google for "mdn gradients" for example, would be great to be able to do "wpd gradients"
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  3296. # [09:29] <clau> hola
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  3298. # [09:29] <ctoveloz[BR]> hola
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  3308. # [09:31] <Richard_Ainz> hola
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  3310. # [09:32] * Richard_Ainz slaps astropirate_ around a bit with a large fishbot
  3311. # [09:32] <ikr_> Aloha
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  3314. # [09:32] <Richard_Ainz> whaaa, no trouts?
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  3325. # [09:35] <jji> hello
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  3329. # [09:36] <Sandkorn> Good morning!
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  3331. # [09:36] <arkhi> Good afternoon Sandkorn. :p
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  3333. # [09:36] <Sandkorn> :D
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  3336. # [09:37] <hinfra> hello?
  3337. # [09:37] <Grephix> hi.
  3338. # [09:37] <hinfra> amazing initiative
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  3342. # [09:38] <Grephix> iknowrite :>
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  3345. # [09:39] <WhoKnows> Good morning! :)
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  3348. # [09:39] <Richard_Ainz__> so got it up via Trillian instead of web, better
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  3357. # [09:42] <Aboebakr> hello everyone
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  3364. # [09:43] <WhoKnows> For a starting community there are a lot of people in this room! Im impressed,
  3365. # [09:43] <WhoKnows> cant wait to see what this site will become in time :)
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  3368. # [09:43] <Richard_Ainz__> well, if some were to actually talk, we might progress a bit
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  3371. # [09:43] <David_Blaine> ????? ??????????
  3372. # [09:44] <Richard_Ainz__> English please
  3373. # [09:44] <WhoKnows> haha, thats true! But i assume everyone is still working on some parts of the site
  3374. # [09:44] <Grephix> [09:38:15] <WhoKnows> haha, thats true! But i assume everyone is still working on some parts of the site
  3375. # [09:44] <iaebusobak> But what about russian?
  3376. # [09:44] <Richard_Ainz__> I am not. I am just interested in this and messing around with my irc settings
  3377. # [09:44] <Grephix> Or just here to idle, like the majority of IRC.
  3378. # [09:45] <David_Blaine> english not true language
  3379. # [09:45] <WhoKnows> Ahh, fine, there is a chance of that too.
  3380. # [09:45] <Richard_Ainz__> David, ok, but English goes here, sorry
  3381. # [09:45] <WhoKnows> what kind of irc settings are you messing with? (i didnt use it a lot in the past)
  3382. # [09:45] <WhoKnows> are there fun options to explore?
  3383. # [09:45] <Richard_Ainz__> lol, neither did I, I set it up via my regular chat software, Trillian
  3384. # [09:46] <_WiZZarD> And there I am, thinking IRC is for idling only
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  3386. # [09:46] <Grephix> _WiZZarD: apparently we are supposed to..
  3387. # [09:46] <Grephix> *shrugs*
  3388. # [09:46] <Richard_Ainz__> it is a communicating tool, but i may be mistaken
  3389. # [09:46] <WhoKnows> Slowly people are waking up,, now there are already 4 people alive!
  3390. # [09:46] <Grephix> socialize
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  3392. # [09:46] <_WiZZarD> soci*what?
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  3395. # [09:46] <Richard_Ainz__> you know, facebook junkies
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  3397. # [09:47] <Grephix> _WiZZarD: not a clue.
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  3399. # [09:47] <_WiZZarD> next you tell me its about meeting new people and having fun together, doing things etc.
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  3401. # [09:47] <lorem> <script>alert(tutu)</script>
  3402. # [09:47] <Grephix> Talking about interests
  3403. # [09:47] <Grephix> etc
  3404. # [09:47] <Grephix> lorem: oh wow, nice.
  3405. # [09:47] <_WiZZarD> scary
  3406. # [09:47] <Grephix> _WiZZarD: I guess I should stop using a bouncer then
  3407. # [09:47] <David_Blaine> lorem. XSS?)
  3408. # [09:47] <Grephix> as that gives people the impression I am actually here 24/7
  3409. # [09:47] <_WiZZarD> hehe
  3410. # [09:47] <WhoKnows> thats a good thing mate,
  3411. # [09:48] <_WiZZarD> count me in on that as well ;)
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  3413. # [09:48] <WhoKnows> people will respect you!
  3414. # [09:48] <Grephix> David_Blaine: and a bad attempt at it as well
  3415. # [09:48] <Richard_Ainz__> lol, answering question 24/7 as well then?
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  3417. # [09:48] <Grephix> variable tutu was not set :(
  3418. # [09:48] <WhoKnows> of course!
  3419. # [09:48] <_WiZZarD> not a 'real' bouncer though, just a nifty client :)
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  3424. # [09:48] <Grephix> Richard_Ainz__: as long as it's a PM with 'are you active right now': yes I will
  3425. # [09:48] <Grephix> as my bouncer reacts with 'not here right now' or something along that line
  3426. # [09:48] <Grephix> :+
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  3430. # [09:49] <Munter> I thought everyone was running in screen or using a bouncer
  3431. # [09:49] <Richard_Ainz__> well, gonna have to talk to some russian friends about a project, talk to you later,if you want some, poke me
  3432. # [09:49] <WhoKnows> have fun!
  3433. # [09:50] <Grephix> cya mate
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  3436. # [09:50] <Grephix> Munter: apparently not
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  3439. # [09:50] <Munter> irssi in screen. Perfect combo
  3440. # [09:50] <Grephix> true that
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  3445. # [09:51] * _WiZZarD sticks to quassel
  3446. # [09:51] <WhoKnows> Lets see
  3447. # [09:51] <WhoKnows> opinion:
  3448. # [09:51] <Grephix> though, I'm running mIRC
  3449. # [09:51] <WhoKnows> what is the most interesting function/method/tag/whatever in HTML5 or CSS3?
  3450. # [09:51] <Munter> That thing still lives?
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  3453. # [09:51] <hooloovoo> WhoKnows: Canvas?
  3454. # [09:51] <Grephix> Munter: yea, apparently
  3455. # [09:51] <_WiZZarD> define thing Munter, u mean quassel or mIRC?
  3456. # [09:52] <Munter> _WiZZarD: mIRC. Never heard og quassel before
  3457. # [09:52] <Munter> s/og/of
  3458. # [09:52] <_WiZZarD> ah
  3459. # [09:52] <Grephix> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/50377664/screenshots/3a99982639e0e713d2f5d63c62d5a307.png
  3460. # [09:52] <_WiZZarD> havent used mIRC in ages :)
  3461. # [09:52] <Munter> Just got a flashback from the 90's :)
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  3463. # [09:53] <ehsan_> hi
  3464. # [09:53] <Grephix> I bought myself a license once and descided not letting that go to waste :>
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  3469. # [09:53] <DongGyu> asdf
  3470. # [09:53] <Munter> WhoKnows: Most interesting tag: object. It has been there for years, yet people have no clue how to use it
  3471. # [09:53] <_WiZZarD> Munter: quote from their site: "Quassel IRC is a modern, cross-platform, distributed IRC client, meaning that one (or multiple) client(s) can attach to and detach from a central core."
  3472. # [09:53] <_WiZZarD> easiest way to describe ;)
  3473. # [09:53] <Lifesnoozer_> I've never seen anyone who's bought mIRC before
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  3476. # [09:54] <David_Blaine> how to hide bot message ?
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  3479. # [09:54] <David_Blaine> bot spam
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  3488. # [09:55] <WhoKnows> pretty much
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  3491. # [09:56] <jech> hello
  3492. # [09:56] <Hajdari> hello
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  3494. # [09:56] <Hajdari> hello
  3495. # [09:56] <jech> hi
  3496. # [09:56] <WhoKnows> Good morning!
  3497. # [09:56] <Munter> David_Blaine: /ignore
  3498. # [09:56] <ttesssta> irc will never die, i guess
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  3501. # [09:56] <jech> test
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  3509. # [09:58] <white> hello
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  3516. # [09:58] <Pooya> microsoft, please fuck IE7, if not, I'll fuck it :@
  3517. # [09:58] <ca_> test
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  3519. # [09:59] <WhoKnows> i wonder....
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  3521. # [09:59] <Pooya> I have a big cock and your ie will have a huge hole in center of it :@
  3522. # [09:59] <WhoKnows> isnt there a tool where you can load your localhost, and the tool will let you view the website in multiple browsers?
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  3524. # [10:00] <David_Blaine> Pooya, IE is not browser xDD
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  3527. # [10:00] <WhoKnows> because i noticed that there are small differences when you put IE 9 in a former version, or just use the former version\
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  3530. # [10:01] <WhoKnows> someone know if there is a tool like that? afk's? :)
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  3532. # [10:01] <Tarakan> Hi
  3533. # [10:01] <WhoKnows> hey
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  3535. # [10:01] <Tarakan> ????? ???? ???????
  3536. # [10:01] <WhoKnows> im being ignored lol, ill be back when its a bit more lively in here! :)
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  3538. # [10:01] <sahok> ?????? ????
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  3541. # [10:02] <Pooya> hi all
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  3543. # [10:02] <Pooya> check my out on www,1pooya.me
  3544. # [10:02] <David_Blaine> ???????????? :)
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  3546. # [10:02] <Pooya> www.1pooya.me
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  3550. # [10:03] <_WiZZarD> English plz
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  3553. # [10:03] <_8976906> ??????
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  3555. # [10:03] <_8976906> ???????
  3556. # [10:03] <rajan> hello is there some one?
  3557. # [10:04] <_8976906> yes
  3558. # [10:04] <JohnQ> hi everyone
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  3560. # [10:04] <_8976906> i em russia
  3561. # [10:04] <rajan> may i know to whom i chating?
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  3564. # [10:04] <_WiZZarD> random people most likely ;)
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  3568. # [10:06] <rajan_> hello
  3569. # [10:06] <rajan_> @divya
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  3572. # [10:06] <David_Blaine> Allah Akbar
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  3574. # [10:07] <rajan_> hello
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  3576. # [10:07] <rajan_> can anyone help me?
  3577. # [10:07] <Grephix> rajan_: just ask the question mate
  3578. # [10:07] <rajan_> thanks
  3579. # [10:07] <mstalfoort> rajan, where can we help you with
  3580. # [10:07] <rajan_> i am new in this community
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  3582. # [10:08] <Grephix> ok.
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  3584. # [10:08] <mstalfoort> rajan, you're not the only one ;)
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  3586. # [10:08] <_WiZZarD> new community means mostly new people ;)
  3587. # [10:08] <rajan_> ok thanks
  3588. # [10:08] <Grephix> :>
  3589. # [10:08] <rajan_> can you tell me what acjeatly this websites do?
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  3591. # [10:08] <ognus> hello
  3592. # [10:09] <Grephix> inform and educate
  3593. # [10:09] <berm0o0da> hi I who is familar with jqGrid?
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  3599. # [10:09] <mstalfoort> berm0o0da, i think you have to switch to #jquery channel
  3600. # [10:09] <ognus> very interesting project... are you guys planning to create wikipedia for web dev standards :)?
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  3602. # [10:10] <David_Blaine> This site only English localization, discrimination
  3603. # [10:10] <mstalfoort> ognus, it already is ;)
  3604. # [10:10] <Grephix> ognus: that's more or less the idea
  3605. # [10:10] <Grephix> David_Blaine: discrimination?
  3606. # [10:10] <berm0o0da> ok thanks
  3607. # [10:10] <Grephix> And why is that mate?
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  3610. # [10:10] <Grephix> You expect everyone to speak every single language?
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  3612. # [10:10] <Grephix> English is simply the most widespread.
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  3619. # [10:11] <mstalfoort> Grephix, english is primary, there are plans of adding more language
  3620. # [10:11] * Usver slaps Usver around a bit with a large fishbot
  3621. # [10:11] <mstalfoort> s
  3622. # [10:11] <David_Blaine> more language skill :)
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  3624. # [10:12] <Grephix> mstalfoort: I know. Choosing for english as primary however is far from discrimination, however.
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  3626. # [10:12] <ognus1> sorry... poor internet connection :)
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  3628. # [10:13] <Wanpeng> i just want to say "vertical-align" is not good as it can be
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  3631. # [10:14] <Jajay> do you talk about the specification or about any of the implementations out there?
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  3638. # [10:14] <alfha> what happening
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  3653. # [10:17] <DevZone> this chat used WebSocket ?
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  3655. # [10:18] <sz0ka> Hey guys
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  3659. # [10:20] <Jajay> test
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  3665. # [10:21] <Jajay> no web socket. it seem to use "normal" http methods
  3666. # [10:21] <Jajay> probably with ajax
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  3672. # [10:22] <_WiZZarD> its qweb irc
  3673. # [10:22] <Lifesnoozer> Pretty sure it's a java thing
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  3675. # [10:22] <_WiZZarD> javascript clientside
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  3677. # [10:22] <_WiZZarD> compiled stuff serverside
  3678. # [10:22] <_WiZZarD> oslt
  3679. # [10:23] <katxoupi> hi buddies
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  3693. # [10:25] <arkhi> Hello dontcallmedom
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  3695. # [10:25] <dontcallmedom> hello arkhi!
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  3709. # [10:28] <Jajay> has anybody tried b2g yet?
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  3713. # [10:29] <Mohamad> hi
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  3722. # [10:31] <CharliePrynn> Hello
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  3727. # [10:32] <INKERS> hi
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  3730. # [10:32] <INKERS> <b>=)</b>
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  3732. # [10:33] <heyheyhey> hello
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  3734. # [10:33] <INKERS> what is this?
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  3736. # [10:33] <heyheyhey> chat
  3737. # [10:33] <INKERS> i know
  3738. # [10:33] <Grephix> :')
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  3740. # [10:33] <INKERS> im about site
  3741. # [10:33] <heyheyhey> webplatform?
  3742. # [10:33] <INKERS> y
  3743. # [10:33] <heyheyhey> Mm...
  3744. # [10:34] <Eminos> paul irish is my idol :)
  3745. # [10:34] <StomCube> asdfg
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  3747. # [10:34] <heyheyhey> school work web page maybe..
  3748. # [10:34] <INKERS> discussion about standards?
  3749. # [10:34] <arkhi> INKERS: aims to become a comprehensive and authoritative source for web developer documentation.
  3750. # [10:35] <StomCube> what would be the best way to align a image in the center ?
  3751. # [10:35] <StomCube> *an image
  3752. # [10:35] <INKERS> or a site where companies can measure themselves
  3753. # [10:35] <heyheyhey> use css
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  3756. # [10:37] <oh> slm
  3757. # [10:37] <CharliePrynn> @INKERS http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page
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  3763. # [10:37] <arkhi> I dont mind that companies measure themselves if its beneficial to the community.
  3764. # [10:37] <arkhi> In that case, I suppose they all put a lot of efforts into this; gathering all those informations in one place is a quite big challenge.
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  3769. # [10:38] <kornekeN> hi
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  3771. # [10:38] <kornekeN> @shepazu I've got question.
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  3778. # [10:39] <kornekeN> @shepazu http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/1319/webplatform-users-become-aware-learning-attack-defend-against and will WebPlatform have official fanpage's on Facebook and Google+ ?
  3779. # [10:39] <zupa> sup?
  3780. # [10:39] <DevZone> ZFS v28 for OS X Mountain Lion = http://zalil.ru/33837053
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  3785. # [10:40] <pampkin> help
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  3787. # [10:40] <Grephix> with what, pampkin?
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  3789. # [10:41] <donovanh> Is there an about page or similar? I'm struggling to understand what this is.
  3790. # [10:41] <Grephix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug6XAw6hzaw&feature=player_embedded
  3791. # [10:41] <Grephix> The introduction video
  3792. # [10:41] <Grephix> Ought to give you some insight
  3793. # [10:41] <ognus1> i have a question, would like to contribute a little to docs... is it OK to copy material from http://www.w3.org/TR/?
  3794. # [10:42] <mstalfoort> donovanh, check this http://blog.webplatform.org/
  3795. # [10:42] <donovanh> Cool thanks!
  3796. # [10:42] <mstalfoort> donovanh, ..and this https://developers.google.com/live/shows/ahNzfmdvb2dsZS1kZXZlbG9wZXJzcg4LEgVFdmVudBiomqIEDA/
  3797. # [10:42] <arkhi> donovanh: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started#Tasks
  3798. # [10:43] <Grephix> ognus1: http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/ipr-notice-20021231
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  3803. # [10:44] <ognus1> Grephix: thanks
  3804. # [10:44] <donovanh> Nice. I'm liking this. Will poke around and see if I can contribute.
  3805. # [10:44] <mstalfoort> donovanh, yay
  3806. # [10:44] <Grephix> cool donovanh
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  3810. # [10:45] <Jaspio> Greetings all
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  3813. # [10:46] <Sandkorn> btw. what type of license is the imported stuff? Are we supposed to "rewrite" that stuff as well?
  3814. # [10:46] <Grephix> Sandkorn: imported stuff?
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  3816. # [10:46] <rajan> hello
  3817. # [10:46] <Sandkorn> MSDN / MDN imports for example
  3818. # [10:46] <DevZone> Grephix, please add translate to other language mediawiki
  3819. # [10:46] <rajan> can anyone tell me which is the best payments api
  3820. # [10:46] <Grephix> You are allowed to rewrite anything on which you think you can do a better job.
  3821. # [10:47] <Grephix> rajan: you honestly think this is the best place for that question? ;)
  3822. # [10:47] <Grephix> Depends on your needs and budget as well.
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  3825. # [10:47] <Grephix> DevZone: as mstalfoort stated beautifully earlier today:
  3826. # [10:48] <Grephix> <mstalfoort> english is primary, there are plans of adding more language
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  3829. # [10:48] <AshKyd> Hi all. The "Data Type" field on the wiki only has "string", "number" and "DOM node" as options. How can we go about getting "object" added? Or am I missing something.
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  3831. # [10:48] <fatih> hi guys
  3832. # [10:48] <jepetko> hi guys ;-)
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  3834. # [10:48] <AshKyd> I guess "function" would be useful too.
  3835. # [10:48] <Grephix> hi jepetko
  3836. # [10:48] <jepetko> hi Grephix.
  3837. # [10:48] <jepetko> nice platform
  3838. # [10:48] <Sandkorn> if i get it right, we're supposed to get rid of most of the CC-BY-SA stuff, yet there seems to be imported stuff with that license (css propertie pages as example)
  3839. # [10:48] <Grephix> agread ;)
  3840. # [10:49] <DevZone> hi yandex team
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  3847. # [10:50] <dariush> Hello guys :)
  3848. # [10:50] <Jaspio> hi @dariush
  3849. # [10:51] <dariush> I wanna learn css3 can any one help me?
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  3853. # [10:52] <arkhi> dariush: Thats a pretty huge topic Did you look at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css ?
  3854. # [10:52] <Grephix> dariush: you might try #css
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  3857. # [10:53] <dariush> I know CSS and a little css3 but i want learn advanced
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  3861. # [10:55] <ognus1> Grephix: based on http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-documents-20021231 you have to link back to w3 docs when copying content... but for example the pag http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/CSS/Selectors/universal_selectore doesn't do it... what should i do :)?
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  3865. # [10:55] <abhi_> :)
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  3867. # [10:56] <abhi_> good aftrnoon everyone
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  3872. # [10:57] <Grephix> ognus1: it's mostly a good habbit to link back whenever using text from a different source
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  3874. # [10:57] <Grephix> Better save than sorry
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  3879. # [10:57] <kk_> ..hah ?
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  3881. # [10:58] <swain> Howdy.
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  3883. # [10:58] <Grephix> However, in this specific situation I'm not sure, as webplatform is an iniative of w3c, ognus1
  3884. # [10:58] <Grephix> hi swain
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  3886. # [10:58] <swain> What's up everybody?
  3887. # [10:59] <Grephix> nm
  3888. # [11:00] <ognus1> Grephix: yeap, thanks... tricky with w3c...
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  3891. # [11:00] <Grephix> ognus1: yea. I'd recommend linking back in this case. Can't hurt :)
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  3894. # [11:01] <test> wow I didn't actually expect people to really be herec hatting
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  3899. # [11:01] <swain> Hm... Anybody know's a good IRC client for mac?
  3900. # [11:01] <test> hmm
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  3903. # [11:01] <swain> Since the lack of colors in this web version is driving me nuts. :D
  3904. # [11:02] <test> I haven't used IRC in more than 10 years
  3905. # [11:02] <pzich> irssi
  3906. # [11:02] <twat> think it was called xirc
  3907. # [11:02] <Grephix> lack of colors, swain? ;)
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  3909. # [11:02] <test> truth be told I'm totally baffled that people still use IRC
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  3911. # [11:02] <ognus1> Grephix: ok, thanks:)
  3912. # [11:02] <Grephix> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/50377664/screenshots/83419146271aa31c9b70c107274887b3.png < how's that for a lack of colors
  3913. # [11:02] <_WiZZarD> lack of colours is usually a indication of a good irc client imho ;)
  3914. # [11:02] <Grephix> also: i've heard good things about Colloquy
  3915. # [11:02] <Grephix> No experience though
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  3918. # [11:03] <pzich> I know x-chat and Snak are popular on OS X, but I've not used either
  3919. # [11:03] <si-m1> test: stuff that just works usually stick around
  3920. # [11:03] <swain> Colloquy, I've used that, a few years ago. :o I think I'll go back to that. Thanks guys.
  3921. # [11:03] <test> true
  3922. # [11:03] <Grephix> I'm still waiting for my Macbook Pro to be delivered
  3923. # [11:03] <pzich> ah yeah, Colloquy
  3924. # [11:03] <Grephix> I'll be able to give you some pointers after that ;)
  3925. # [11:03] <test> do people sitll use it for what they used it years ago? (to download files)
  3926. # [11:03] <pzich> Grephix: of the retina variety?
  3927. # [11:03] <Grephix> yeap
  3928. # [11:04] <Grephix> budget allowed it
  3929. # [11:04] <pzich> nice, I'm on one of those right now
  3930. # [11:04] <twat> yep people use irc to download
  3931. # [11:04] <test> I remember it was kinda like dos or unix in that you could use commands and download files from people
  3932. # [11:04] <swain> So, where's everybody from?
  3933. # [11:04] <si-m1> test: think it's mostly used for open source projects and gaming now
  3934. # [11:04] <Grephix> shame everything is glued on the board or otherwise unable to be upgraded though, pzich
  3935. # [11:04] <test> crazy
  3936. # [11:04] <test> lol
  3937. # [11:04] <twat> also check out dc++
  3938. # [11:04] <Grephix> test: you are on IRC right now :>
  3939. # [11:04] <test> I used to use MIRC to get mp3s back then
  3940. # [11:04] <Grephix> < running mIRC right now
  3941. # [11:04] <test> it was the best place for that until napster and those apps came out
  3942. # [11:05] <Grephix> once bought a license, never stopped using it
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  3944. # [11:05] <pzich> well, SSD is upgradeable, everything else I don't imagine being much more upgradeable without a new mobo anyway
  3945. # [11:05] <Grephix> pzich: memory?
  3946. # [11:05] <pzich> did you not go 16?
  3947. # [11:05] <Grephix> Also: SSD is upgradeable, by apple
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  3949. # [11:05] <test> I just hope these chats don't turn into crappy fanboy cliques like at stack overflow
  3950. # [11:05] <pzich> there are third party vendors working on it
  3951. # [11:05] <Grephix> You are not able to upgrade the SSD yourselve :<
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  3953. # [11:05] <pzich> I think some are about ready
  3954. # [11:05] <Grephix> True that
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  3956. # [11:05] <Grephix> Though I'd rather do it myself
  3957. # [11:05] <Grephix> AFAIK its not a regular SSD anymore
  3958. # [11:05] <Stas_> Hm
  3959. # [11:06] <Grephix> so not all SSDs will fit
  3960. # [11:06] <pzich> well, it isn't in the airs either, but there are third party vendors for that
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  3962. # [11:06] <Grephix> also, no, I went for 8GB mem
  3963. # [11:06] <pzich> http://www.techpowerup.com/170508/OWC-Announces-Mercury-Aura-Pro-First-SSD-Upgrade-for-MacBook-Pro-with-Retina-Display.html
  3964. # [11:06] <Grephix> true that
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  3972. # [11:08] <___asa> hi there
  3973. # [11:08] <Vardan> Hello
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  3979. # [11:11] <zwagng9> what?
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  3984. # [11:12] <ognus1> swain: Poland, currently based in New Zealand
  3985. # [11:12] <swain> Nice! New Zealand is on my 'definitely need to visit country' list. :)
  3986. # [11:12] <swain> I mean
  3987. # [11:12] <swain> Middle Earth.
  3988. # [11:12] <swain> not New Zealand
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  3991. # [11:13] <ognus1> hehe yeah middle earth :) its really nice country... not only for Tolkien fans :)
  3992. # [11:14] <swain> I know. :)
  3993. # [11:14] <swain> Well
  3994. # [11:14] <ognus1> great sceneries
  3995. # [11:14] <swain> I mean, I think I know. ;) Myself I'm a dutchy, based in Germany.
  3996. # [11:14] <swain> And 21 years old./
  3997. # [11:14] <ix14n> zomg. irc.
  3998. # [11:14] <ognus1> nice
  3999. # [11:15] <ognus1> bean few times in Germany :)
  4000. # [11:15] <ognus1> been
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  4003. # [11:15] <Grephix> swain: a dutchy in Germany ey?
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  4005. # [11:15] <Grephix> Nice
  4006. # [11:15] <Grephix> In Germany for business?
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  4008. # [11:15] <James> Hello
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  4010. # [11:16] <swain> No, living there now for a yet unknown period of time. Moved here for love. ;)
  4011. # [11:16] <mynameisozz> hi all o/
  4012. # [11:16] <swain> Hello James.
  4013. # [11:16] <Guest6612> Hello Swain
  4014. # [11:16] <Guest6612> Are there are official W3C tools to validate my webpages ?
  4015. # [11:16] <JakeA> a/s/l
  4016. # [11:17] <arkhi> swain: Good reason to move. :)
  4017. # [11:17] <swain> Haha, would say so. Next week a year together.
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  4019. # [11:17] <swain> So far pretty successful. 2 months ago finished school. Now freelancing. :)
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  4021. # [11:17] <Guest6612> Guys, little help here
  4022. # [11:17] <As4xk> Guest6612: http://validator.w3.org/
  4023. # [11:17] <lol_> hi people
  4024. # [11:18] <Guest6612> I am looking for an offline tool, preferably a browser extension
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  4027. # [11:18] <swain> Guest6612: What browser?
  4028. # [11:18] <Guest6612> Fireox
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  4032. # [11:19] <swain> Guest6612: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/offline-page-validator/
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  4034. # [11:19] <sandroid> morning everyone
  4035. # [11:19] <Guest6612> That extension will connect to W3C, is there something that can be done offline?
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  4037. # [11:20] <arkhi> Guest6612: http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/
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  4039. # [11:20] <As4xk> Guest6612: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML_Tidy
  4040. # [11:20] <arkhi> This should help you…
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  4043. # [11:20] <Guest6612> Great, will try those two
  4044. # [11:21] <Guest6612> Also, does any one know where I can find the skin of the mediawiki used by this site?
  4045. # [11:21] <swain> Morning sandroid
  4046. # [11:21] <Guest6612> webplatform.org
  4047. # [11:21] <Grephix> I'm guessing its custom build, Guest6612
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  4049. # [11:22] <Guest6612> Well, since its opensource, I believe it should be made available to public
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  4051. # [11:22] <arkhi> Guest6612: It is, you just need to check the source.
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  4053. # [11:23] <Guest6612> where can find the source arkhi
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  4055. # [11:23] <Grephix> Guest6612: right click > view source? ;-)
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  4058. # [11:24] <chrismills> Morning all
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  4061. # [11:24] <Grephix> lo chrismills
  4062. # [11:24] <Guest6612> I am looking for the mediawiki template used by this site, not the source of this webpage
  4063. # [11:24] <B4el> hi all
  4064. # [11:24] <Grephix> Guest6612: I am guessing it's not available for download mate.
  4065. # [11:24] <B4el> are there somebody from russia?
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  4068. # [11:25] <B4el> I need help, but my english isn't very well
  4069. # [11:25] <RazdoR> Yes. I'm from Russia
  4070. # [11:25] <Grephix> B4el: it's an english only channel mate
  4071. # [11:25] <B4el> проверка
  4072. # [11:25] <arkhi> Does it say anywhere on webplatform.org that it’s open source, by the way?
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  4074. # [11:25] <Grephix> Give it a try ;)
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  4076. # [11:26] <B4el> ok
  4077. # [11:26] <Guest6612> No, I am just asuming it is. Is it not?
  4078. # [11:26] <swain> I don't think so.
  4079. # [11:26] <swain> The content is.
  4080. # [11:26] <arkhi> Why would it be? :)
  4081. # [11:26] <Grephix> Guest6612: the source ís open, is it not?
  4082. # [11:26] <chrismills> arkhi: I don't think so. Mabye we ought to say that in the FAQ
  4083. # [11:26] <chrismills> Maybe*
  4084. # [11:26] <swain> @ChanServ Hello
  4085. # [11:26] <swain> Hm.
  4086. # [11:26] <swain> :P
  4087. # [11:26] <B4el> voobshem servak lomanuli (somedody hack my website)
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  4089. # [11:26] <Guest6612> So, are you saying webplatform.org is not open source?
  4090. # [11:27] <_WiZZarD> does it have to be?
  4091. # [11:27] <chrismills> Guest6612: No - it is. It's built on open source products
  4092. # [11:27] <RazdoR> lol
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  4094. # [11:27] <chrismills> But that's not a major selling feature ion our eyes
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  4096. # [11:27] <chrismills> in*
  4097. # [11:27] <tom_> ting
  4098. # [11:27] <chrismills> lol - it's free anyway, but you know what I mean ;-)
  4099. # [11:27] <Sandkorn> http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/99/is-webplatform-org-code-open
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  4101. # [11:28] <B4el> Does DLE 9.6 have some exploit?
  4102. # [11:28] <swain> Too bad the /slap command doesn't seem to work.
  4103. # [11:28] * swain slaps ChanServ around a bit with a large fishbot
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  4105. # [11:28] <swain> Ah :P
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  4108. # [11:29] <eke> hey guys
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  4110. # [11:29] <Guest6612> Yes, you are right. Its built on open source products.
  4111. # [11:29] <swain> Hey eke
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  4114. # [11:29] <Grephix> lol swain
  4115. # [11:29] <Grephix> n1
  4116. # [11:29] <Guest6612> I would really love to have the skin used the mediawiki on this site
  4117. # [11:30] <chrismills> Sandkorn: we are planning to open up the code used for the skin, etc., too, probably on github, but that's a low priority thing right now, with al the immediate server bugs to sort out ;-)
  4118. # [11:30] <chrismills> It's in the queue ;-)
  4119. # [11:30] <RazdoR> habrahabr
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  4121. # [11:31] <Guest6612> Great, that would be helpful, Chrismills
  4122. # [11:31] <Guest6612> I am assuming you are one of the admins here
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  4126. # [11:31] <B4el> Hm, where i can read about "how do microsoft MetroUI web site at home?"
  4127. # [11:32] <chrismills> Guest6612 - I work for Opera, who are one of the stewards; I'm basically their representative on webplatform. Short answer: yes ;-)
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  4129. # [11:33] <Guest6612> That's great. Since you've been very helpful, Is there any way I can contact you personally. I have a few questions about validation, which would take long to post here.
  4130. # [11:33] <RazdoR> B4el, http://www.stephanemassey.com/metro-design-principles/
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  4132. # [11:34] <B4el> RazdoR, thanks
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  4134. # [11:35] <dharani> actually i want to build reader app in html 5
  4135. # [11:35] <dharani> can i ger any help
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  4138. # [11:35] <Grephix> dharani: join #html5
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  4141. # [11:36] <bertolottipf> www.bertolottipf.it what do you thik about it?
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  4145. # [11:37] <@paul_irish> chrismills: can you register your nick on freenode
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  4147. # [11:38] <@paul_irish> /ns help register
  4148. # [11:38] <Guest6612> I don't know if this is the right place to ask this question, but whenever I use facebook plugins on my site, the page doesn't get validated. I know its a common problem, but is there a solution for it?
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  4150. # [11:39] <Guest6612> Also, what validation software do you use to validate your webpages
  4151. # [11:39] <chrismills> Guest6612: did you get my private message sending you my e-mail so you can ask me? ;-)
  4152. # [11:39] <Guest6612> I did not get the message
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  4155. # [11:39] <Guest6612> I never used IRC and right now I am using the one on webplatform.org
  4156. # [11:39] <chrismills> paul_irish: cheers Paul. When I type that in, all the help message comes up in growl notification windows, which is not very helpful ;-)
  4157. # [11:39] <nanick> Türk yok mu aranız da?
  4158. # [11:40] <chrismills> Guest6612: ah, ok - sorry about that!
  4159. # [11:40] <swain> paul_irish: Thanks for being who/what you are btw. ;)
  4160. # [11:40] <Guest6612> can i post my email address here?
  4161. # [11:40] <@paul_irish> <3z
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  4163. # [11:40] <chrismills> paul_irish: I'll get it sorted in a minute
  4164. # [11:40] <Grephix> chrismills: /msg NickServ REGISTER bar foo@bar.com
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  4166. # [11:40] <@paul_irish> chrismills: ok
  4167. # [11:40] <@paul_irish> also that ^
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  4170. # [11:41] <chrismills> Guest6612: it would be better if you download an IRC client to use - way better than using the web version
  4171. # [11:41] <chrismills> what Os are you on?
  4172. # [11:41] <tobie> Guest6612: or give irccloud.com a spin. It's really good.
  4173. # [11:41] <nanick> Türk yok mu aranız da?
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  4175. # [11:41] <Guest6612> I will try
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  4177. # [11:42] <chrismills> Guest6612: for the validation question - I use http://html5.validator.nu/ to validate my sites
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  4181. # [11:42] <chrismills> Guest6612: and yes, a lot of 3rd part plugins and stuff do tend to wreck your validation. This is one bad thing about using them
  4182. # [11:42] <swain> Where can I find the connection settings for the chat so I can get it on my Colloquy?
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  4187. # [11:43] <alquhait> hey
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  4189. # [11:43] <Guest6612> chrismills: can you send me your email address to castor_t @ ymail dot com
  4190. # [11:43] <alquhait> how r u guys?
  4191. # [11:43] <Grephix> swain
  4192. # [11:43] <Grephix> connect to one of following servers: http://www.freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml
  4193. # [11:43] <As4xk> swain: freenode #webplatform
  4194. # [11:43] <Grephix> does not matter which one
  4195. # [11:43] <chrismills> Guest6612: But as long as the site works well and follows best practice, it doesn't matter if you have a few validation errors. Validation is a useful tool for debugging code, but it is not an absolute
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  4197. # [11:43] <Grephix> and join #webplatform
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  4199. # [11:44] <chrismills> Guest6612: done
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  4201. # [11:44] <Guest6612> Thank you Very much
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  4205. # [11:45] <Guest6612> I got to run now.. Thanks all for your help...
  4206. # [11:45] <chrismills> Guest6612: bye!
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  4209. # [11:46] <swain_> Ha.
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  4211. # [11:46] * swain_ is now known as swain
  4212. # [11:46] <Guest6612> One last question, which software do you use to connect ot IRC. So that I can use it the next time I'm here
  4213. # [11:46] <swain> So, that worked. :)
  4214. # [11:46] <Guest6612> I am new to IRC :)
  4215. # [11:46] <kranius> hello #webplatform
  4216. # [11:46] <As4xk> Guest6612: which OS?
  4217. # [11:46] <Guest6612> Windows
  4218. # [11:47] <arkhi> Guest6612: Pidgin works on anything
  4219. # [11:47] <Guest6612> Do I have to signup for a user name or something?
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  4222. # [11:47] <deneme> hi guys
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  4224. # [11:47] <swain> Guest6612: Yes, you can do that
  4225. # [11:47] <arkhi> Guest6612: If you want to make sure nobody will use it, yes.
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  4227. # [11:47] <swain> Use /ns help REGISTER
  4228. # [11:48] <arkhi> elsehow just use what you like as nickname
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  4230. # [11:48] <swain> I believe.
  4231. # [11:48] <Guest6612> Thanks guys. It
  4232. # [11:48] <Guest6612> It's been fun. Have a good one.
  4233. # [11:48] <swain> Same to you
  4234. # [11:48] <arkhi> See you around
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  4237. # [11:48] <chrismills> Grephix paul_irish ok, I've just registered my nick. What do I do now? Does this allow me to properly become and admin, and stuff?
  4238. # [11:48] * neom slaps zheka around a bit with a large fishbot
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  4240. # [11:48] <deneme> beyler okuyan bişey desin ?
  4241. # [11:48] <neom> hi
  4242. # [11:49] * ChanServ sets mode: +o chrismills
  4243. # [11:49] <neom> okudum diorum
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  4245. # [11:49] <swain> Hey, why is my slap command not working? :o
  4246. # [11:49] <deneme> ne ayak buralar :D
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  4248. # [11:49] <@paul_irish> let's not slap in this channel, swain :)
  4249. # [11:49] <@paul_irish> be nice.
  4250. # [11:49] <arkhi> deneme: Please use English only. :)
  4251. # [11:49] <Grephix> chrismills: yea
  4252. # [11:49] <swain> Aww :( But /hug doesn't seem to work also paul_irish
  4253. # [11:50] <swain> ;)
  4254. # [11:50] <deneme> which foot are there ?
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  4257. # [11:50] * arkhi hugs swain
  4258. # [11:50] <@paul_irish> chrismills: yup. you may have to /ns identify on reconnecting too
  4259. # [11:50] <Grephix> chrismills: channel admins will be enabled to hand out roles to your nick
  4260. # [11:50] <Chyvakoff> Hi
  4261. # [11:50] <@paul_irish> but you'll get auto-opped
  4262. # [11:50] <Chyvakoff> O_o
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  4264. # [11:50] <Grephix> chrismills: also: people are no longer able to use your nick, as it is registered
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  4266. # [11:50] <@chrismills> cool!
  4267. # [11:50] <yasser> wassap people !
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  4269. # [11:50] <Grephix> paul_irish: you might hand auto-op to my account as well
  4270. # [11:50] * Grephix runs
  4271. # [11:50] <yasser> quit
  4272. # [11:50] <@chrismills> I am relatively inexperienced in using IRC too ;-)
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  4274. # [11:50] * swain hugs arkhi
  4275. # [11:50] <swain> :D
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  4278. # [11:50] <@paul_irish> Grephix: once i know you better we can work that out :)
  4279. # [11:51] <@chrismills> paul_irish: what does "auto-opped" mean?
  4280. # [11:51] <Grephix> Hehe, no worries
  4281. # [11:51] <deneme> how i can use robo plus clearly ?
  4282. # [11:51] <@paul_irish> when you join the channel Chanserv will op you.
  4283. # [11:51] <sandroid> heh, i was suprised to actually see the webplatform use IRC .. sooo oldschool :) i like it
  4284. # [11:51] <swain> Grephix: You mysterious soul, who are you?
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  4287. # [11:51] <kranius> IRC is serious win
  4288. # [11:51] <Grephix> Define mysterious soul?
  4289. # [11:51] <Grephix> kranius: can't agree with you more :>
  4290. # [11:51] <Grephix> Way underrated.
  4291. # [11:51] <kranius> social before the web
  4292. # [11:51] <eschatonic> IRC seems a natural choice, but again I think this is a point where the stackexchange model works better.
  4293. # [11:51] <Grephix> It was cool before it was cool.
  4294. # [11:52] <kranius> :>
  4295. # [11:52] <@paul_irish> eschatonic: i think SO is better for support yes
  4296. # [11:52] <sandroid> i wonder how long until people start pulling up custom mirc scripts or similars in this chat :)
  4297. # [11:52] <eschatonic> The chat system there is an evolution of IRC
  4298. # [11:52] <Grephix> hehe
  4299. # [11:52] <Grephix> custom mirc scripts?
  4300. # [11:52] <@chrismills> I only started using IRC because it is only way you can actually get Opera core developers to talk to you ;-)
  4301. # [11:52] <sandroid> "bots"
  4302. # [11:52] <mstalfoort> chrismills, lol
  4303. # [11:53] <Grephix> kk
  4304. # [11:53] <Grephix> I was guessing something along the lines of
  4305. # [11:53] * Grephix enjoys Muse - The 2nd Law: Unsustainable
  4306. # [11:53] <kranius> chrismills: good enough
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  4309. # [11:53] <swain> Grephix: Mysterious soul > Person that has a certain shade of mystery hanging around him/her.
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  4311. # [11:53] <Grephix> hehe
  4312. # [11:53] <Grephix> Just another webdeveloper mate :)
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  4314. # [11:53] <sandroid> irc has been a breeding ground for lots of wares channels back in the days before torrents and p2p networks
  4315. # [11:53] * swain enjoys Macklemore & Ryan Lewis - The Heist
  4316. # [11:53] <Grephix> 24 y/o living in the Netherlands
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  4319. # [11:54] <swain> Where in that little wet and cold country?
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  4321. # [11:54] <Grephix> sandroid: and as fas as I understand it still is
  4322. # [11:54] <swain> If I may ask.
  4323. # [11:54] <@paul_irish> swain: i'm all about Thrift Shop. so hard.
  4324. # [11:54] <_WiZZarD> Netherlands \o/
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  4327. # [11:54] <deneme> how i can learn software ?
  4328. # [11:54] <swain> paul_irish: Try also Wing$, amazing.
  4329. # [11:54] <sandroid> Grephix: i'm sure of it :) old habits die hard
  4330. # [11:54] <swain> :)
  4331. # [11:54] <swain> Or
  4332. # [11:54] <Grephix> swain: I live in Amersfoort and work in Hilversum
  4333. # [11:54] <swain> Same love
  4334. # [11:54] <@paul_irish> kay
  4335. # [11:54] <swain> First rap I heard that's positive about same sex love
  4336. # [11:54] <Grephix> deneme: 'learn software'?
  4337. # [11:54] <Grephix> Define software? :++
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  4339. # [11:55] <swain> Grephix: Work perhaps for the NOS?
  4340. # [11:55] <sandroid> software: piece of spagetti code that runs in a loop and eventually crashes :P
  4341. # [11:55] <Grephix> swain: nope
  4342. # [11:55] <deneme> like robo+or c++ ..
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  4344. # [11:55] <_WiZZarD> lol
  4345. # [11:55] <Grephix> Atm I find myself working for a small Internet Bureau
  4346. # [11:55] <swain> Grephix: Ah, okay, would've been a lucky guess. :P
  4347. # [11:55] <Grephix> Hehe
  4348. # [11:55] <AntonioK> Hi everyone
  4349. # [11:56] <deneme> hi
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  4353. # [11:56] <mstalfoort> which one Grephix ?
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  4358. # [11:57] <swain> Is it just me or does every developer has this moments that he/she says to himself/herself "God, I'm brilliant."
  4359. # [11:57] <Grephix> Websight, mstalfoort
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  4361. # [11:57] <swain> And than, 2 seconds later you wish you didn't say it?
  4362. # [11:57] <swain> :P
  4363. # [11:57] <sandroid> absolutely :)
  4364. # [11:57] <Grephix> Rofl
  4365. # [11:57] <Grephix> yea
  4366. # [11:57] <mstalfoort> aha, know that one ;)
  4367. # [11:57] <Grephix> srsly?
  4368. # [11:57] <_WiZZarD> swain: its easier to keep a recording of that sentence, and just loop it all day
  4369. # [11:58] <As4xk> Hakuna matata
  4370. # [11:58] <Grephix> What from, mstalfoort? :)
  4371. # [11:58] <sandroid> what a wondeful day
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  4374. # [11:58] <arkhi> As4xk: Jambo
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  4376. # [11:58] <aw> HI!
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  4378. # [11:59] <aw> dsafdsf
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  4382. # [11:59] <mstalfoort> Grephix, know one of the original founders (S.Reijn)
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  4385. # [11:59] <swain> _WiZZarD: So true. :)
  4386. # [11:59] <Grephix> Ah, Sander
  4387. # [11:59] <Grephix> Way before my time :)
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  4391. # [12:00] <ae> hi
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  4393. # [12:00] <@chrismills> hey there ae
  4394. # [12:00] <eschatonic> So, are there any plans to separate out the forum into multiple sections, or at least enforce category tagging?
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  4396. # [12:01] <@chrismills> eschatonic: that's a good idea. I'll add it to the to do list
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  4399. # [12:01] <alexfl> hi!
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  4401. # [12:02] <alexcl> wtf bugs connect?
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  4404. # [12:02] <eschatonic> chrismills: hopefully it will make the chaos slightly more manageable
  4405. # [12:02] <swain> chrismills: How long is that to-do list as I might ask? :P
  4406. # [12:03] <swain> if*
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  4410. # [12:03] <sandroid> hm.. you know what would be fun as well .. if the whole points system would have an api so that a custom bot in the channel could give out points for stuff answered in here :)
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  4413. # [12:03] <@chrismills> swain: Ummmm, VERY ;-)
  4414. # [12:03] <swain> Was afraid for that answer.
  4415. # [12:03] <@chrismills> sandroid: that is a cool idea
  4416. # [12:04] <eschatonic> Also, would it be helpful to start producing a list of suggested design/typography/usability changes?
  4417. # [12:04] <eschatonic> I know they're likely to be waaay down the priority list
  4418. # [12:04] <As4xk> Are webplatform not planning to contain information about php, asp, jsp, etc?
  4419. # [12:04] <@chrismills> eschatonic: sure. If you have a lot of ideas, the best way to log them is just to fie bugs, at https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org
  4420. # [12:05] <sandroid> chrismills: well if you want any help with that, i'll be lurking around here anyway :) running irc on my dedicated box all day :)
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  4424. # [12:05] <arkhi> time to go… Have fun!
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  4426. # [12:06] <Castor_T> Hi guys, I am back. Just installed an IRC client.
  4427. # [12:06] <Castor_T> I am glad to see webplatform, a platform for the community :)
  4428. # [12:06] <@chrismills> As4xk: we are planning on including some introductory material on server-side topics, and then linking to more detailed references elsewhere. Our remit is client-side technologies, and we want to stick to this mostly. If we tried to cover all the server-side stuff as well, the site would just be unmanageable. Covering all the client side stuff in detail is ambitious as it is!
  4429. # [12:07] <deneme> admin de var mı bu sitede ? :)
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  4431. # [12:07] <Castor_T> Since facebook is a steward of webplatform, aren't they supposed to designed plugins which are don't break the html code when validating?
  4432. # [12:07] <Grephix> Heh Castor_T: good point
  4433. # [12:07] <@chrismills> Castor_T hello again ;-)
  4434. # [12:08] <Castor_T> Thanks Chris. I am just getting the hang of using IRC
  4435. # [12:08] <@chrismills> Castor_T: It is often difficult, especially when doing stuff with Flash, and DHTML
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  4437. # [12:08] <deneme> =bi dahha
  4438. # [12:08] <@chrismills> I wouldn't beat them up too much about it. they are doing a great thing by supporting this project.
  4439. # [12:09] <eschatonic> chrismills: will do. I notice there are a fair few logged already. :)
  4440. # [12:09] <As4xk> chrismills: Yes. I guess it would :p
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  4442. # [12:09] <Castor_T> what's the role of stewards in webplatform? I am assuming its to design web standards.
  4443. # [12:09] <@chrismills> eschatonic: thanks!
  4444. # [12:09] <mamameya> for a web design beginner, the webplattform is a very good starting point. thanks
  4445. # [12:09] <@chrismills> mamameya: glad it's helpful. Most of that beginning stuff comes from the Opera web standards curriculum ;-)
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  4447. # [12:10] <@chrismills> Castor_T the role of the stewards is to shape the project, manage it, build the site, donate content, and provide fuding and other resources to keep the site going
  4448. # [12:11] <@chrismills> But we don't want to tell everyone what to do; just to guide the community in making the site their own
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  4454. # [12:12] <Castor_T> Is php part of W3C ?
  4455. # [12:12] <nguyenquocthe> ok
  4456. # [12:12] <Castor_T> I mean, will it be a part of the webplatform.org
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  4460. # [12:13] <mamameya> Is it possible that webplattform can generate the web page to pdf format, so that I can put it into my mobile device to learn?
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  4466. # [12:14] <ThijsWostyn> hello everyone!
  4467. # [12:14] <swain> Hello ThijsWostyn
  4468. # [12:14] <icaaq> Hi chrismills long time no see :)
  4469. # [12:14] <sandroid> brb
  4470. # [12:14] <ThijsWostyn> great website
  4471. # [12:15] <Castor_T> I guess webplatform should add a page where user can recommend features for the website, and you could implement the most requeted features
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  4474. # [12:15] <@chrismills> icaaq - hey man! Good to see you here ;-)
  4475. # [12:15] <ThijsWostyn> from where are you guys?
  4476. # [12:15] <Grephix`dev> Castor_T: there is. W3c bugtracker
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  4479. # [12:15] <@chrismills> ThijsWostyn: I live in Manchester UK
  4480. # [12:16] <icaaq> is the wikisource on github or something? some things are not that accessible as it should be imho
  4481. # [12:16] <@chrismills> Castor_T - file suggestions for additions to the site as bugs
  4482. # [12:16] <Castor_T> cool
  4483. # [12:16] <@chrismills> icaaq - that's on the to do list
  4484. # [12:16] <@chrismills> ;-)
  4485. # [12:16] <Kevin3> Hi all. o/
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  4487. # [12:17] <@chrismills> mamameya: that's a nice idea, but a lot of work to implement. For now, you could generate your own PDFs? ;-)
  4488. # [12:17] <icaaq> chrismills: whatis? the github thing or to make it more accessible? :)
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  4490. # [12:18] <mamameya> I just use the google chrome to generate the pdf file, but I still not happy with that kind of output.
  4491. # [12:18] <Castor_T> mamameya: If you want individual pages, I guess google chrome has added a new feature recently to save a webpage as pdf or you could find some extension for other browsers to do that. You could save the pages you like.
  4492. # [12:18] <mstalfoort> mamameya, have u tried http://www.web2pdfconvert.com/ yet?
  4493. # [12:19] <@chrismills> icaaq both ;-)
  4494. # [12:19] <Castor_T> mameya: right, so you know it :)
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  4496. # [12:19] <mamameya> thanks.
  4497. # [12:19] <icaaq> chrismills: awesome :)
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  4499. # [12:19] <Grephix`dev> mamameya: why not just save it as HTML, I wonder?
  4500. # [12:19] <Grephix`dev> ought to work on mobile devices as well
  4501. # [12:19] <Castor_T> reg. validation, I still think w3c should give some *offline* tool to validate webpages. It will be helpful.
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  4506. # [12:22] <mstalfoort> Castor_T, you can have a validator installed locally, http://about.validator.nu/#src
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  4510. # [12:23] <TicTic> Hi all
  4511. # [12:23] <hitalex> hi
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  4513. # [12:23] <TicTic> Who contributes documents to this site?
  4514. # [12:23] <Castor_T> <mstalfoort> is it easy to install and use?
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  4516. # [12:23] <Castor_T> tictic: I guess webplatform is an part of w3c
  4517. # [12:23] <Grephix`dev> TicTic: the community does
  4518. # [12:23] <mamameya> thanks, Grephix`dev.
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  4521. # [12:23] <mstalfoort> Castor_T, havent tried it, so cant really say... i only know its there ;)
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  4524. # [12:24] <TicTic> I mean is msdn or apple info is merged by w3c people or microsoft or apple is contributing it
  4525. # [12:24] <Cromwell_> hello guys
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  4530. # [12:25] <Castor_T> I see that many website have already started using HTML5. Last time, I read, its still a draft
  4531. # [12:26] <Castor_T> wonder why people are using html5 already
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  4534. # [12:26] <Grephix`dev> Because of the advantages it offeres, Castor_T?
  4535. # [12:26] <Castor_T> tictic: here's the list of stewards: http://www.webplatform.org/stewards/
  4536. # [12:26] <Grephix`dev> It's already quite wide implemented
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  4538. # [12:26] <TicTic> <Castor_T> Almost all browse suports HTML5
  4539. # [12:26] <Grephix`dev> Early adaptors are the ones that get the job finished
  4540. # [12:27] <TicTic> I mean latest version
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  4542. # [12:27] <Castor_T> Is it recommended by search engines like google or bing?
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  4552. # [12:31] <JamesPotter> not coll, that a "web platform" site have a problem with design in opera.
  4553. # [12:31] <WhoKnows> HTML5 is a great tool, if supported. If not supported you can use the old stuff. HTMl5 simply has advantages in speed, implementation, etc.
  4554. # [12:31] <WhoKnows> *tool --> markup language*
  4555. # [12:31] <TicTic> Web Platform Docs is currently in alpha. Web Platform Docs is an open wiki that anyone can help improve.
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  4557. # [12:31] <@chrismills> remember that HTML5 basically IS HTML4
  4558. # [12:31] <@chrismills> but with some extra stiff thrown on top
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  4560. # [12:32] <@chrismills> stuff* ;-)
  4561. # [12:32] <swain|dev> Same as CSS3 right chrismills?
  4562. # [12:32] <@chrismills> pretty much, yes
  4563. # [12:32] <beverloo> The CSS level 3 specifications build on top of CSS2.1 as well
  4564. # [12:32] <Castor_T> But will the html5 code break in old browseres.
  4565. # [12:32] <@chrismills> So making a site HTML5 can be as simple as just using the HMTL5 doctype, which ALL browsers support
  4566. # [12:32] <beverloo> it's going to be rather confusing when new css1 specs start coming out :)
  4567. # [12:32] <Castor_T> I guess any web programmes wants his/her site to be able to work in all browsers
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  4569. # [12:33] <@chrismills> or you can go further and use the new semantic elements (which can be made to behave in older browsers, using the HTML5 shiv)
  4570. # [12:33] <@chrismills> and then there's all the APIs
  4571. # [12:33] <@chrismills> Which won't work in older browsers
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  4574. # [12:36] <swain|dev> Grephix`dev: What's you're working on?
  4575. # [12:36] <TicTic> Web Platform Docs is a new community-driven site that aims to become a comprehensive and authoritative source for web developer documentation. Even though Web Platform Docs is still in alpha, you can already find lots of valuable content on the site, including information on: How to use features of the open web, with syntax and examples What platforms and devices you can use various technologies on What is the
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  4577. # [12:37] <Grephix`dev> swain|dev: the backand for a new product we are working on
  4578. # [12:37] <Grephix`dev> http://sooqr.com :)
  4579. # [12:37] <swain|dev> Castor_T: If possible, yes, if not than I gladly cut out IE6, IE7 and maybe even IE8. But that's in rare occasions. Just take a look at your target user group what browser they use.
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  4595. # [12:38] <WhoKnows> alright
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  4600. # [12:39] <WhoKnows> just use HTML5 (HTML4 included), CSS3(CSS2.1 included) modernizr to detect if HTML5/CSS is supported
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  4602. # [12:39] <WhoKnows> and if not, use JS libs
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  4604. # [12:40] <Castor_T> I just installed firefox 16 and sometimes, i am not able to close tabs
  4605. # [12:40] <Castor_T> it's ridiculous
  4606. # [12:40] <swain|dev> Grephix`dev: Woah, nice voice in the video ;)
  4607. # [12:40] <WhoKnows> those libs must be widely supported, or just dont use it at all
  4608. # [12:40] <Grephix`dev> Thanks, thanks ;)
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  4611. # [12:40] <swain|dev> Is that yours?
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  4613. # [12:40] <Grephix`dev> Not me, I'm afraid
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  4615. # [12:40] <Castor_T> reg. html5, i guess i will wait for sometime, before using it on major sites
  4616. # [12:40] <kranius> use http://vanilla-js.com/ ;)
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  4618. # [12:40] <Grephix`dev> Hehe nope, the video was outsourced.
  4619. # [12:40] <Grephix`dev> kranius: lol, iknowrite!
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  4621. # [12:41] <swain|dev> Grephix`dev: Too bad, the 'demo' from The Phone House doesn't seem to be working.
  4622. # [12:41] <kranius> no overhead ! lightweight !
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  4624. # [12:42] <WhoKnows> whats good about vanillia-js?
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  4626. # [12:42] <WhoKnows> i heard about it a couple of times, but never used it
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  4630. # [12:42] <Grephix`dev> WhoKnows: it's just JS, downloading vanilla-js returns an empty file ;)
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  4633. # [12:43] <rooney> สวัสดี
  4634. # [12:43] <rooney> มีใครอยู่บ้างครับ
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  4636. # [12:43] <WhoKnows> ahh, fine with me, empty files van be fun too.
  4637. # [12:43] <WhoKnows> ill look into it :)
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  4639. # [12:44] <WhoKnows> brb :)
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  4641. # [12:44] <swain|dev> Grephix`dev: Now it works. :/
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  4644. # [12:44] <Grephix`dev> Lol, nothing has changed ;)
  4645. # [12:45] <Psihadelic> hallo guys
  4646. # [12:45] <swain|dev> I blame Safari 6.0
  4647. # [12:45] <Grephix`dev> As do I ;-)
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  4651. # [12:46] <swain|dev> Been acting up constantly since Mountain Lion.
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  4663. # [12:48] <weqr> Hi
  4664. # [12:48] <swain|dev> Hello weqr
  4665. # [12:48] <weqr> help please
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  4668. # [12:49] <weqr> how make game on crafty with WebGL?
  4669. # [12:49] <weqr> help please
  4670. # [12:49] <Grephix`dev> weqr: try joining #WebGL mate :)
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  4678. # [12:50] <weqr> what is mate?
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  4680. # [12:51] * YouJean slaps swain|dev around a bit with a large fishbot
  4681. # [12:51] <Grephix`dev> English isn't your primary language, I presume?
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  4683. # [12:51] <Grephix`dev> weqr: type '/join #webgl' without the quotes
  4684. # [12:51] <Grephix`dev> They ought to be able to help you there
  4685. # [12:51] <swain|dev> What just happened. :o
  4686. # [12:52] <@chrismills> ?
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  4688. # [12:52] <swain|dev> I got slapped :'(
  4689. # [12:52] <@chrismills> swain|dev: ?
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  4691. # [12:52] <@chrismills> ah
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  4693. # [12:52] <swain|dev> Besides that all is fine chrismills ;)
  4694. # [12:53] <@chrismills> YouJean can we stop the slapping? Let's be nice to each other ;-)
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  4703. # [12:54] <werq> Hi
  4704. # [12:54] <Marc> hello
  4705. # [12:54] <Grephix`dev> Welcome back, werq ;)
  4706. # [12:54] <Grephix`dev> Hi Marc
  4707. # [12:54] <werq> admin why if i opoen second channel i cant back?
  4708. # [12:54] <Marc> hello
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  4710. # [12:54] <Marc> are you all developer?
  4711. # [12:54] <werq> i not see panel with list of channels
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  4713. # [12:54] <werq> yes
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  4715. # [12:54] <@chrismills> were - are you using the web-based IRC chat?
  4716. # [12:55] <selcuk> hi
  4717. # [12:55] <@chrismills> werq
  4718. # [12:55] <werq> ?
  4719. # [12:55] <Marc> hey buddy please add my on skype mlester.gonzales
  4720. # [12:55] <Marc> :-)
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  4722. # [12:55] <@chrismills> werq - are you using the web-based IRC chat?
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  4724. # [12:55] <Marc> lets talk web hahahahha
  4725. # [12:55] <robertpitt> Hey Everyone!
  4726. # [12:55] <Marc> yes
  4727. # [12:55] <werq> i on http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/
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  4729. # [12:56] <werq> i nor see panel lists
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  4731. # [12:56] <werq> not see
  4732. # [12:56] <werq> lol
  4733. # [12:56] <werq> admin second bug i found
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  4738. # [12:57] <@chrismills> were http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/ is not very good; it is really just a back up if you haven't got an IRC
  4739. # [12:57] <werq> here keys PgUp End... work and scrool not work
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  4741. # [12:57] <Marc> oh really cool hahahaha the interface makes me feel like a pro
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  4743. # [12:57] <@chrismills> werq - have you got an IRC client on your machine?
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  4745. # [12:57] <@chrismills> IRC program?
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  4747. # [12:58] <werq> i want all in browser
  4748. # [12:58] <swain|dev> Anyone experience with running Wordpress on a local server?
  4749. # [12:58] <Grephix`dev> werq: try http://mibbit.com
  4750. # [12:58] <werq> i see pdf and docs and other in browser too
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  4752. # [12:59] <Grephix`dev> probably the most advanced online IRC client I know
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  4754. # [12:59] <@chrismills> thanks Grephix`dev
  4755. # [12:59] <werq> and why kitten^^ cant write here?
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  4758. # [12:59] <@chrismills> werq - try a different client; our current one is not very good
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  4760. # [13:01] <swain|dev> Btw, everybody who wants do make some HTML5 animations or whatsoever and don't want to use flash, I can recommend Hype. :)
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  4762. # [13:01] <@chrismills> Right, I gotta go now guys - I'll be back later ;-)
  4763. # [13:01] <@chrismills> Have fun
  4764. # [13:01] <swain|dev> Cya later chrismills
  4765. # [13:01] <Grephix`dev> Cya chrismills
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  4767. # [13:01] <kranius> what about qwebirc ?
  4768. # [13:01] <swain|dev> And he's gone.
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  4775. # [13:04] <howardtrb> hello, just joined to say that this webplatform is quite a good idea
  4776. # [13:04] <howardtrb> a great idea i guess
  4777. # [13:04] <howardtrb> im new user
  4778. # [13:04] <howardtrb> and it will be very helpfull for me and for everybody
  4779. # [13:04] <howardtrb> thanks
  4780. # [13:04] <janfredrik> hi howard, im looking into this for the same reasons
  4781. # [13:04] <janfredrik> think its a great idea, looking forward to share knowledge
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  4787. # [13:06] <Netron_> Hello
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  4789. # [13:06] <swain|dev> Hello Netron_
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  4791. # [13:06] <Netron_> Hello ;)
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  4793. # [13:06] <swain|dev> How are you doing?
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  4799. # [13:07] <Marin> Js
  4800. # [13:07] <Marin> Hello, world!
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  4803. # [13:07] <Netron_> I'm fine! You?
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  4806. # [13:08] <swain|dev> I'm good, just working :P
  4807. # [13:08] <vsias> hi people!!!
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  4809. # [13:08] <swain|dev> Hello vsias
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  4812. # [13:08] <chanu> Hi
  4813. # [13:09] <lslayer> :)
  4814. # [13:09] <vsias> its my first join
  4815. # [13:09] <chanu> me too
  4816. # [13:09] <Kevin3> Hi chanu and vsias. o/
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  4818. # [13:10] <chanu> hi kevin
  4819. # [13:10] <chanu> can any one brief about this site
  4820. # [13:10] <chanu> ?
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  4822. # [13:11] <swain|dev> chanu: how do you mean?
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  4831. # [13:12] <Mike_Aski> Hi gents!
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  4834. # [13:13] <Mike_Aski> This is a great place...
  4835. # [13:13] <brik> it is isn't it
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  4838. # [13:14] <Mike_Aski> Congrats to the team, and to the supporters
  4839. # [13:14] <Mike_Aski> See ya!
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  4841. # [13:15] <chanu> yea i got it i just saw the video in the home page
  4842. # [13:15] <chanu> its just another community forum
  4843. # [13:15] <swain|dev> Well, the idea is to make this THE community forum, I believe.
  4844. # [13:16] <swain|dev> And more than that.
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  4848. # [13:16] <swain|dev> Make it a central place with documentation, answers and questions etc.
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  4852. # [13:17] <jackiiz> hello
  4853. # [13:17] <swain|dev> Hello jackiiz
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  4855. # [13:18] <jackiiz> hello swain|dev
  4856. # [13:19] <bio> is there a chat for each field (html css etc.) or just a global one ?
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  4859. # [13:19] <jackiiz> can you explain about this web
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  4861. # [13:19] <jackiiz> MM
  4862. # [13:19] <swain|dev> What would you like to know jackiiz
  4863. # [13:20] <bio> is there a chat for each field (html css etc.) or just a global one ?
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  4874. # [13:22] <jackiiz> now i study java i interesting java script ,css and html5
  4875. # [13:22] <Guest48319> What about IE? ;-)
  4876. # [13:23] <swain|dev> Guest48319: What about it? :0
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  4878. # [13:23] <jackiiz> umm .... about web
  4879. # [13:24] <swain|dev> jackiiz: The web is a pretty big space… Do you mean WebPlatform.org or the web in general?
  4880. # [13:25] <setico> yes is so
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  4885. # [13:26] <jackiiz> ok i would like to know about webplatform.org
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  4887. # [13:26] <jackiiz> what about web??
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  4890. # [13:26] <swain|dev> Okay, so it's a place where everything you'd like to know about web development could be found.
  4891. # [13:27] <swain|dev> At least, that's the goal it has in mind.
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  4898. # [13:28] <jackiiz> thank you for answer
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  4902. # [13:29] <jackiiz> i will try train about web develop
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  4904. # [13:29] <swain|dev> Good luck jackiiz
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  4906. # [13:30] <jackiiz> :)
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  4908. # [13:30] <Behdad> hii
  4909. # [13:30] <Behdad> anybody there
  4910. # [13:30] <Behdad> ?
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  4915. # [13:31] <Test_Service> hi all
  4916. # [13:31] <Test_Service> how are you?
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  4918. # [13:32] <Test_Service> hope you are fine
  4919. # [13:32] <hello_> yes i m fine
  4920. # [13:32] <cyril_c_> 2
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  4924. # [13:33] <gigwattz> >.> whats up guys
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  4926. # [13:33] <swain|dev> Not much, busy with working.
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  4931. # [13:34] <gigwattz> paul_irish, Are you around?
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  4935. # [13:35] <Vanderlei> hi
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  4968. # [13:46] <kitten_> hi
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  4971. # [13:47] <kitten_> change doc's colors please i cant see code :(
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  4975. # [13:47] <Guest85396> http://craftyengine.com/tutorial/bananabomber/create-a-game
  4976. # [13:47] * Guest85396 is now known as kitten^^
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  4981. # [13:49] <kitten99> Admin
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  4983. # [13:49] <kitten99> Admin unban kitten^^ please
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  4985. # [13:49] <kitten99> PLEASE
  4986. # [13:49] <kitten99> u see me?
  4987. # [13:50] <sonotos> moin
  4988. # [13:50] <kitten99> admin help plz
  4989. # [13:50] <kitten99> unban kitten^^
  4990. # [13:50] <kitten99> plz
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  4992. # [13:50] <kitten99> he muted here :(
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  4995. # [13:51] <kitten99> кто тут есть?
  4996. # [13:51] <Scapesoft> a
  4997. # [13:51] <kitten99> из нашых?
  4998. # [13:52] <gigwattz> Hmm, Should we add the "Future of JavaScript" to the /wiki/Javascript page, just after the History section. it's currently a hot-topic
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  5001. # [13:52] <kitten99> Any admin here?
  5002. # [13:52] <kitten99> hgelp plz
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  5004. # [13:52] <Adem> hi
  5005. # [13:53] <kitten99> help
  5006. # [13:53] <Grephix`dev> kitten99: what do you need help with?
  5007. # [13:53] <sonotos> gigwattz: sounds interesting
  5008. # [13:53] <Grephix`dev> gigwattz: would be a nice feature, feel free to add it
  5009. # [13:53] <gigwattz> kk
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  5011. # [13:53] * Adem test
  5012. # [13:53] <Grephix`dev> Can't imagine why you shouldnt ;)
  5013. # [13:53] <kitten99> i need admin help
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  5015. # [13:54] <Grephix`dev> kitten99: I'm guessing no admin is around atm. What is it you need help with?
  5016. # [13:54] <kitten99> heeeeeeeLP!!!!!!!!!
  5017. # [13:54] <sonotos> his nick unbaned
  5018. # [13:54] <kitten99> who?
  5019. # [13:55] * kitten99 is now known as kitten^^
  5020. # [13:55] <Grephix`dev> kitten99: what makes you say kitten^^ is banned?
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  5026. # [13:56] <kitten99> 15:42] <kitten99> i need admin help [15:42] == booya_ [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-boaukwvuzsulrggj] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] [15:43] <kitten99> heeeeeeeLP!!!!!!!!! [15:43] <sonotos> his nick unbaned [15:43] <kitten99> who? [15:44] == kitten99 has changed nick to kitten^^ [15:44] <kitten^^> ok? [15:44] == Cannot send to channel: #webplatform [15:44] <Grephix`dev> kitten99: what
  5027. # [13:56] <kitten99> [15:44] <kitten^^> aaaaaaaaa [15:44] == Cannot send to channel: #webplatform [15:44] <kitten^^> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa [15:44] == Cannot send to channel: #webplatform [15:44] <kitten^^> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa [15:44] == Cannot send to channel: #webplatform
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  5029. # [13:57] <broken> hola!
  5030. # [13:57] <kitten99> hey?!?!?
  5031. # [13:57] <kitten99> cry;(
  5032. # [13:57] <mstalfoort> paul_irish, ping
  5033. # [13:57] <kitten99> :(
  5034. # [13:57] <Krishna_> hello world
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  5036. # [13:57] <swain|dev> !ping
  5037. # [13:57] <Grephix`dev> kitten99
  5038. # [13:57] <Grephix`dev> is your nickname registered?
  5039. # [13:57] <kitten99> no
  5040. # [13:58] * Grephix`dev is now known as kitten^^
  5041. # [13:58] <kitten99> i yesterday used kitten^^
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  5044. # [13:58] <kitten99> why banned :(((
  5045. # [13:58] <kitten99> u where?
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  5047. # [13:58] <Grephix`dev> hmmm right
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  5049. # [13:58] <Grephix`dev> paul_irish: around?
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  5052. # [13:59] <kitten99> HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP!!!!!!!!!
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  5054. # [13:59] <Grephix`dev> kitten99: were you told why you got banned?
  5055. # [13:59] <Guest35610> hm?
  5056. # [13:59] <Lifesnoozer> kitten99: Shouting about it won't help
  5057. # [13:59] <sonotos> kitten99: do you thnk it gets better by spamming the channel? shut up, i understand why you got banned
  5058. # [13:59] <Grephix`dev> also: that is just the behaviour that'll get yourselve banned
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  5060. # [13:59] <Grephix`dev> s/ve/f
  5061. # [13:59] <kitten99> stfu sontos
  5062. # [14:00] * webNick is now known as webnick
  5063. # [14:00] <kitten99> to other
  5064. # [14:00] <kitten99> idk why
  5065. # [14:00] <kitten99> me not banned
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  5067. # [14:00] <kitten99> yesterday all was good
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  5069. # [14:00] <kitten99> and today this nick banned :(
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  5071. # [14:01] <andrewjbaker> Did you register the nick?
  5072. # [14:01] <kitten99> Any admin or member here?
  5073. # [14:01] <kitten99> Who know admin??
  5074. # [14:01] <Grephix`dev> andrewjbaker: its not registered
  5075. # [14:01] <Krishna_> Hello webplatform team, just saw your youtube presentation. any member on the house to chat more about it?
  5076. # [14:01] <Grephix`dev> already checked
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  5078. # [14:01] <Grephix`dev> Shouting about it or telling others to stfu will probably not get you anywhere kitten99
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  5080. # [14:01] <mstalfoort> kitten99, we all understand your frustration atm, but there's no admin around to help you out on short notice
  5081. # [14:01] <andrewjbaker> Grephix`dev, OK. ;-)
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  5083. # [14:01] <asddas> d
  5084. # [14:01] <asddas> lol
  5085. # [14:01] <asddas> asd
  5086. # [14:01] <asddas> d
  5087. # [14:01] <asddas> as
  5088. # [14:01] <asddas> das
  5089. # [14:01] <asddas> as
  5090. # [14:01] <asddas> Полученные гистограммы распределения по энергиям позволяют рассчитать внутреннюю энергию (2.34), теплоёмкость (2.35) и энтропию (2.36), а также средние квадраты радиусов инерции (2.38). Получившиеся функции для полимеров длиной 6, 12 и 24 Ñ
  5091. # [14:02] <asddas> Одинокая птица над полем кружит, Догоревшее солнце уходит с небес. Если шкура сера и клыки что ножи, Не чести меня волком, стремящимся в лес. Лопоухий щенок любит вкус молока, А не крови, бегущей из порванных жил. Если
  5092. # [14:02] <kitten99> cry :(
  5093. # [14:02] <Grephix`dev> /mode #webplatform +b asddas
  5094. # [14:02] <asddas> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ OCR по изданию: М.Семенова, "Волкодав", Азбука-Терра, СПб, 1995г. Spellcheck: Петр Кириевский ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Одинокая птица над полем кружит, Догоревшее солнце уходÐ
  5095. # [14:02] <Grephix`dev> This channel needs an active operator, lol
  5096. # [14:02] <asddas> This channel needs an active operator, lol
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  5098. # [14:02] <asddas> This channel needs an active operator, lol
  5099. # [14:02] <asddas> This channel needs an active operator, lol
  5100. # [14:02] <asddas> This channel needs an active operator, lol
  5101. # [14:02] <asddas> v
  5102. # [14:02] <asddas> This channel needs an active operator, lol
  5103. # [14:02] <asddas> This channel needs an active operator, lol
  5104. # [14:02] <asddas> This channel needs an active operator, lol
  5105. # [14:02] <asddas> This channel needs an active operator, lol
  5106. # [14:02] <asddas> This channel needs an active operator, lol
  5107. # [14:02] <asddas> This channel needs an active operator, lol
  5108. # [14:02] <kitten99> aaa
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  5110. # [14:02] <kitten99> spammer
  5111. # [14:02] <swain|dev> *sigh*
  5112. # [14:02] <Grephix`dev> with ^
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  5114. # [14:03] <kitten99> иди отсюда плохой
  5115. # [14:03] <kitten99> ты позоришь нашу нацыю
  5116. # [14:03] <asddas> блин(
  5117. # [14:03] <asddas> я не хотел
  5118. # [14:03] * Grephix`dev highlights divya Garbee paul_irish ppk_ shepazu tobie
  5119. # [14:03] * swain|dev helps Grephix`dev
  5120. # [14:03] <kitten99> иди на канал виндовс
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  5122. # [14:03] <asddas> и при чем тут спаамер?
  5123. # [14:03] <kitten99> они заслужили это
  5124. # [14:03] <kitten99> ну ты спаммишь
  5125. # [14:03] <asddas> флудер, а не спамер
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  5127. # [14:04] <asddas> спамер это который рекламу пихает
  5128. # [14:04] <kitten99> ты с хабра?
  5129. # [14:04] <webnick> /nickserv set enforce on
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  5132. # [14:04] <asddas> типа - BUY THIS !!!!
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  5134. # [14:04] <asddas> ну да, откуда ж еще
  5135. # [14:04] <kitten99> значит ты вчерашний
  5136. # [14:04] <asddas> почему?
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  5139. # [14:05] <dariush> Hello
  5140. # [14:05] <andrewjbaker> This needs to happen, but I imagine it requires an op to do it. Oh, the irony. 'Help us support your channel in emergencies by adding channel staff to your channel access list via "/msg chanserv flags #channelname [nick] [access]".'
  5141. # [14:05] <swain|dev> Hello dariush
  5142. # [14:05] <andrewjbaker> From: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
  5143. # [14:05] <Grephix`dev> andrewjbaker: yup
  5144. # [14:06] <Grephix`dev> only operators are able to kick, ban, mute, whatnot
  5145. # [14:06] <kitten99> !admin
  5146. # [14:06] <kitten99> !admins
  5147. # [14:06] <dariush> Help me, please.
  5148. # [14:06] <kitten99> !wtf?
  5149. # [14:06] <Grephix`dev> dariush: with what?
  5150. # [14:06] <swain|dev> dariush: What's your problem? What can we help with?
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  5152. # [14:06] <kitten99> i can help
  5153. # [14:07] <kitten99> change color and unban nick
  5154. # [14:07] <kitten99> please!
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  5156. # [14:07] <kitten99> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  5157. # [14:07] <kitten99> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  5158. # [14:07] <dariush> I want to join to android devs but I cant because of my contry
  5159. # [14:07] <kitten99> HEY I HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  5161. # [14:08] <sonotos> /ignore kitten99
  5162. # [14:08] <swain|dev> dariush: Android debs. What do you mean?
  5163. # [14:08] <swain|dev> devs*
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  5165. # [14:08] <swain|dev> Like a IRC channel or...?
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  5167. # [14:08] <dariush> No android devloers in google play.In iran we cant
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  5172. # [14:09] <gzuce> Hi, i'm super bored
  5173. # [14:09] <@divya> did the spammer get kicked?
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  5175. # [14:09] <asddas> no
  5176. # [14:09] <asddas> I'm here
  5177. # [14:09] <swain|dev> dariush: I'm afraid I can't help you with that, have you tried to contact Google?
  5178. # [14:09] <@divya> oh hai spammer
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  5180. # [14:09] <asddas> flooder! no spamer
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  5182. # [14:10] <asddas> тупой бля
  5183. # [14:10] <Lifesnoozer> swain|dev: Won't help him, the US and Iran doesn't work together
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  5185. # [14:10] <@divya> well we will quiet you if you are wasting everybody's time
  5186. # [14:10] <asddas> иносранцы бараны тупые
  5187. # [14:10] <dariush> Excusme why you afraid? :(
  5188. # [14:10] <swain|dev> dariush: Haha, don't worry, I'm not afraid, it's just a saying
  5189. # [14:10] <andrewjbaker> Term of phrase.
  5190. # [14:11] <swain|dev> Lifesnoozer: Sadly, governments still don't seem to realize that the internet shouldn't have borders.
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  5192. # [14:11] <Lifesnoozer> Well the problem isn't really internet
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  5195. # [14:11] <Robika> hello
  5196. # [14:11] <swain|dev> No, the problem is the governments.
  5197. # [14:11] <Lifesnoozer> It's more that the US has blocks on Iran and more or less ban businesses from working with people in Iran
  5198. # [14:11] <swain|dev> Hello Robika
  5199. # [14:12] <dariush> whats your Idea about Iran?
  5200. # [14:12] * divya sets mode: +q asddas!*@*
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  5202. # [14:12] <s_ert> ?
  5203. # [14:12] <swain|dev> dariush: How do you mean?
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  5207. # [14:13] <Robika> I am Hungarian
  5208. # [14:13] <s_ert> testing the finctionality :)
  5209. # [14:13] <s_ert> functionality
  5210. # [14:13] <Robika> php?
  5211. # [14:13] <test1> test complete
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  5213. # [14:13] <dariush> @swain|dev I think every body afraid from iranian :(
  5214. # [14:13] <Richard_Ainz__> Dariush, from you choice of name i would guess that you consider yourself more of a Persian than an Iranian?
  5215. # [14:13] <sonotos> divya: :-)
  5216. # [14:13] <mstalfoort> thx divya
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  5218. # [14:14] <s_ert> working great.. logging off
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  5220. # [14:14] <swain|dev> dariush: I'm sorry to gave you that thought, in fact I'm not afraid of you or any other Iranian, at least not without having a reason to be afraid.
  5221. # [14:14] <test1> \quit
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  5223. # [14:14] <@divya> please keep discussions on topic please
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  5225. # [14:14] <swain|dev> It was just a term of phrase, used in the English language.
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  5227. # [14:14] <@divya> there are other channels to discuss politics
  5228. # [14:14] <@divya> swain|dev: dariush ^
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  5230. # [14:15] <swain|dev> divya: It's not about politics, at least, it shouldn't be. ;) I'm a bad person to talk about politics anyways.
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  5233. # [14:15] <@divya> yes so no this is about webplatformdocs.
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  5235. # [14:15] <@divya> if your conversation is not about that, take it to PM
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  5237. # [14:16] <@divya> or other channels relevant to that topic.
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  5240. # [14:16] <@divya> it does not help because others may have questions w.r.t WPD and then the current conversation might prevent them from asking it.
  5241. # [14:16] <dariush> Im not fluent in english :(
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  5244. # [14:16] <sonotos> how about using #webplatform-offtopic ?
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  5251. # [14:17] <@divya> sounds good to me.
  5252. # [14:17] <sonotos> in some other popular chans is an offtopic channel for exactly that reason
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  5254. # [14:17] <dariush> Help me :(
  5255. # [14:17] <Richard_Ainz__> as divya said there are nuff channels for political topics, but it may of course be easy to stumble in to poilitics when talking internet in general
  5256. # [14:17] <sonotos> divya: ill give you admin rights in ot
  5257. # [14:18] <@divya> sonotos: naw i am cool having it unmoderated, just change topic to UNOFFICIAL or osmething
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  5263. # [14:18] <sonotos> divya: ok
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  5265. # [14:18] <Niiw> hello
  5266. # [14:18] <Niiw> algum brasileiro?
  5267. # [14:18] <Reyres> o/
  5268. # [14:18] <dariush> hello niiw
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  5270. # [14:19] <Reyres> Aqui
  5271. # [14:19] <andrewjbaker> Also, I'd hazard a guess that a considerable number of the devs finding this channel aren't familiar w/ the whole IRC shizzle. It might even be there first exposure to IRC, for a number of them.
  5272. # [14:19] <Richard_Ainz__> Spanish here
  5273. # [14:19] <andrewjbaker> *their
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  5275. # [14:19] <Niiw> esse conteudo de html já é op 5??
  5276. # [14:19] <egecan> maybe we need ircplatform.org too?
  5277. # [14:19] <@divya> Niiw: can you please stick to english so others dont feel excluded/
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  5279. # [14:19] <egecan> =)
  5280. # [14:19] <Niiw> ok
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  5282. # [14:20] <@divya> i hope the web based IRC channel has been abandoned
  5283. # [14:20] <iranian_boy> hi freinds
  5284. # [14:20] <dariush> سلام پسر ایرانی
  5285. # [14:20] <iranian_boy> سلام بر داریوش
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  5289. # [14:20] <dariush> نبودی چت روم شده بود سیاست ایران
  5290. # [14:20] <@divya> dariush: iranian_boy wow i need to repeat my message twice so quickly
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  5292. # [14:20] <@divya> dariush: iranian_boy can you please stick to english so others dont feel excluded?
  5293. # [14:21] <iranian_boy> yes my dude ;)
  5294. # [14:21] <iranian_boy> چرا؟
  5295. # [14:21] <iranian_boy> حرف از چی میزدن؟
  5296. # [14:21] <egecan> google translate says: "Nbodi had been the Iranian policy chat room"
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  5299. # [14:21] <Niiw> This material is for html 5?
  5300. # [14:21] <swain|dev> Poor divya :P
  5301. # [14:21] <Grephix`dev> :D
  5302. # [14:21] * divya sets mode: +q iranian_boy!*@*
  5303. # [14:21] <Richard_Ainz__> andrewjbaker: thing is many irc channels are created with a narrow topic in mind, but get all swamped by off topic discussions... that is why I laft IRC some years ago, and why I also am a but reluctant to this approach for webplatform, but, it may of course be useful once some moderation is in place.
  5304. # [14:21] <dariush> راجع به محمود بحث انداختم دیگه کسی راجع به وب حرف نمیزد :)
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  5307. # [14:22] <ethan_> exit
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  5310. # [14:22] <@divya> i am fine having occasional offtopic conversations
  5311. # [14:22] <egecan> irc is the only place you see you see all these html5 rockstars on the right pane =))
  5312. # [14:22] <@divya> just not in the beginning
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  5315. # [14:23] <swain|dev> Understandable divya
  5316. # [14:23] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting.
  5317. # [14:23] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off topic seekign people in here
  5318. # [14:24] <mstalfoort> divya, my guess it will stay this way
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  5321. # [14:24] <@divya> mstalfoort: naww channels get some sort of good practice and stay that way.
  5322. # [14:24] <@divya> like #html5
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  5324. # [14:25] <andrewjbaker> Where people come, and people go, and most rarely speak? :-p
  5325. # [14:25] <Munter> If you want this to be about improving webplatform.org then a small note somewhere saying '#webplatform on freenode' will be enough to get stewards and other enthusiasts in here
  5326. # [14:25] <mstalfoort> divya, that would be nice indeed
  5327. # [14:25] <kallepersson_> divya: I'd have to chime in on the suggestion to remove the "Chat" page on webplatform.org. Just my 50 cents :)
  5328. # [14:25] <mstalfoort> time will tell
  5329. # [14:25] <kallepersson_> Munter: yes, totally.
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  5335. # [14:26] <@divya> Munter: yeah we are all here anyway. i think that chat page has to go too.
  5336. # [14:26] <asd_> fg
  5337. # [14:26] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
  5338. # [14:26] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
  5339. # [14:26] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
  5340. # [14:26] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
  5341. # [14:26] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
  5342. # [14:26] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
  5343. # [14:26] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
  5344. # [14:26] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
  5345. # [14:26] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
  5346. # [14:26] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
  5347. # [14:26] <Richard_Ainz__> one could start with moderating the current "forums" since they are getting spammed as we speak
  5348. # [14:26] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
  5349. # [14:26] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
  5350. # [14:26] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off top
  5351. # [14:26] * vasyabigi slaps sonotos around a bit with a large fishbot
  5352. # [14:26] <asd_> WTF
  5353. # [14:26] <asd_> topic seekign people in here [16:13] <mstalfoort> divya, [16:15] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest r
  5354. # [14:26] <asd_> topic seekign people in here [16:13] <mstalfoort> divya, [16:15] <asd_> birc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has joined #webplatform [16:12] == Fanie [IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-rbvwshltkddvrwgu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest r
  5355. # [14:26] * divya sets mode: +q iranian_asd_!*@*
  5356. # [14:26] <asd_> gu] has quit [Client Quit] [16:12] <swain|dev> Understandable divya [16:13] <andrewjbaker> Richard_Ainz__, yeah, I have heard others mention that as somewhat off-putting. [16:13] <Munter> I suggest removing the chat section of the website so there isn't a flood of off topic seekign people in here [16:13] <mstalfoort> divya, [16:15] * vasyabigi slaps sonotos around a bit with a large fishbot [16:15] <asd_> WTF [16:
  5357. # [14:26] * asd_ is now known as Guest19217
  5358. # [14:26] <Guest19217> http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/
  5359. # [14:26] * divya sets mode: +q asd_!*@*
  5360. # [14:26] <Guest19217> http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/
  5361. # [14:26] <kallepersson_> :(
  5362. # [14:26] <kranius> such spam
  5363. # [14:26] <@divya> man 24/7 i need to be on duty huh
  5364. # [14:26] <Guest19217> http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
  5365. # [14:26] <Guest19217> http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
  5366. # [14:26] <Guest19217> http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
  5367. # [14:26] <Guest19217> http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
  5368. # [14:26] <Guest19217> http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
  5369. # [14:26] <Guest19217> http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
  5370. # [14:26] <Guest19217> http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
  5371. # [14:26] <Guest19217> http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
  5372. # [14:26] <Guest19217> http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
  5373. # [14:26] <Guest19217> http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
  5374. # [14:27] * divya sets mode: +q Guest19217!*@*
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  5379. # [14:27] <swain|dev> My ignore list is getting filled up pretty much already… :/
  5380. # [14:27] <Richard_Ainz__> no I wont buy a car from that place, so sorry
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  5382. # [14:27] <kallepersson_> divya: Might I suggest allowing access to identified freenode users only?
  5383. # [14:27] <@divya> you dont have to ignore htem as i already muted them
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  5385. # [14:27] <CLICKER> CLICK http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
  5386. # [14:27] <CLICKER> CLICK http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
  5387. # [14:27] <CLICKER> CLICK http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
  5388. # [14:27] <CLICKER> CLICK http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
  5389. # [14:27] <CLICKER> CLICK http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
  5390. # [14:27] <CLICKER> CLICK http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
  5391. # [14:27] <CLICKER> CLICK http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
  5392. # [14:27] <CLICKER> v
  5393. # [14:27] <CLICKER> CLICK http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
  5394. # [14:27] <CLICKER> vCLICK http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
  5395. # [14:27] <CLICKER> CLICK http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
  5396. # [14:27] <CLICKER> CLICK http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
  5397. # [14:27] <CLICKER> CLICK http://saint-petersburg.irr.ru/cars/
  5398. # [14:27] <kallepersson_> afaik #python has it and I believe it's working great.
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  5402. # [14:27] <sonotos> kallepersson_: ack
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  5406. # [14:28] <sonotos> but that would block the webchat
  5407. # [14:28] * divya sets mode: +q *!IDENT_HEX@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/x-tzmrzdbvkxecbswy
  5408. # [14:28] <Richard_Ainz__> ok, guys, you need to get a grip of this chat somehow...
  5409. # [14:28] <si-m1> probably helps alot just removing the web client
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  5412. # [14:28] <sdaadssadadsdas> Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
  5413. # [14:28] <sdaadssadadsdas> Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
  5414. # [14:28] <sdaadssadadsdas> Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
  5415. # [14:28] <sdaadssadadsdas> Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
  5416. # [14:28] <sdaadssadadsdas> Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
  5417. # [14:28] <sdaadssadadsdas> Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
  5418. # [14:28] <sdaadssadadsdas> Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
  5419. # [14:28] <sdaadssadadsdas> Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
  5420. # [14:28] <sdaadssadadsdas> Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
  5421. # [14:28] <sdaadssadadsdas> Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
  5422. # [14:28] <kallepersson_> Yes I guess that too.
  5423. # [14:28] <sdaadssadadsdas> Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
  5424. # [14:28] <sdaadssadadsdas> Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
  5425. # [14:28] <sdaadssadadsdas> Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
  5426. # [14:28] <sdaadssadadsdas> Теория Игр и функция Шпрага-Гранди 25.07.2011
  5427. # [14:28] <Yaser> hi for all
  5428. # [14:28] * divya sets mode: +q sdaadssadadsdas!*@*
  5429. # [14:28] <@divya> geesus
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  5432. # [14:28] <si-m1> or requiring being logged in to use it
  5433. # [14:28] <Richard_Ainz__> you will NOT be able to handle all that manually
  5434. # [14:28] <@divya> how do i use hostname ban for someone using webchat?
  5435. # [14:28] <sonotos> well as long as we have the webchat you have not a real chance
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  5438. # [14:29] <Richard_Ainz__> remove the webchat
  5439. # [14:29] <Richard_Ainz__> now
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  5441. # [14:29] <mstalfoort> looks like someone is testing you divya.... not cool
  5442. # [14:29] <@divya> i dont have admin access to the site
  5443. # [14:29] <egecan> you have to ban spammer manually? isn't there an automated bot?
  5444. # [14:29] <Richard_Ainz__> grrrmblbm...n00bs
  5445. # [14:29] <@divya> i will tell the people there.
  5446. # [14:29] <Richard_Ainz__> 7quit
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  5448. # [14:29] <Yaser> irani ham hast?
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  5473. # [14:31] <vldcnst> my screen >.>
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  5476. # [14:31] <orangeshark> ~_~
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  5496. # [14:32] <puppion> this is crazy
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  5498. # [14:32] <Pouya> Hi all
  5499. # [14:32] <puppion> hi
  5500. # [14:32] <@divya> wow someone is really hurt
  5501. # [14:32] <puppion> how are you Pouya?
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  5503. # [14:32] <orangeshark> hello Pouya
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  5506. # [14:32] <Pouya> not bad
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  5509. # [14:32] <puppion> so what are you guys developing with?
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  5511. # [14:33] <Pouya> how are u ?
  5512. # [14:33] <swain|dev> Anything that I need, puppion
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  5518. # [14:33] <puppion> you know something, the truth is i still havn't found my ultimate ide for client side developement
  5519. # [14:34] <Grephix`dev> puppion: u haven't?
  5520. # [14:34] <Grephix`dev> PHPStorm ftw \o/
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  5523. # [14:35] <puppion> i keep changing.... right now the most comfortable for me is NetBeans php. crazy, ah?
  5524. # [14:35] <sonotos> ZendStudio / Netbeans
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  5526. # [14:35] <Grephix`dev> I came from netbeans as well
  5527. # [14:35] <Grephix`dev> I like PHPStorm better though
  5528. # [14:35] <sonotos> it's cool for js
  5529. # [14:35] <puppion> zend is the most comfortable of all the eclipses, that's true
  5530. # [14:35] <Grephix`dev> the whole jetbrains software office tbh
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  5532. # [14:36] <sonotos> well PHPStorm has some good features, i just miss the multi project support
  5533. # [14:36] <Lifesnoozer> I really don't like eclipse
  5534. # [14:36] * Gorkyman loves Komodo
  5535. # [14:36] <sonotos> our projects normally are devided in serveral sub projects, so i had to open x instances in PHPStorm
  5536. # [14:36] <puppion> but i can't help but feeling i really need one perfect ide for js (jquery) and css
  5537. # [14:36] <sonotos> Eclipse hast this working set feature, that's really cool
  5538. # [14:36] <Grephix`dev> Agread sonotos, that's the only thing I miss
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  5540. # [14:37] <puppion> i'll have to check phpstorm...
  5541. # [14:37] <sonotos> Grephix`dev: write, that was at least the only reason for me to stay with zend
  5542. # [14:37] <sonotos> even zend is so slow that it crashes very often even by just indexing the code
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  5544. # [14:37] <Grephix`dev> It is, that's why I stopped using it
  5545. # [14:38] <Grephix`dev> PHPStorm is quite smooth when it comes to that.
  5546. # [14:38] <Grephix`dev> Also: I dont mind opening x instances. I never reach > 3 instances though.
  5547. # [14:38] <sonotos> right, and it's not blocking all the actions
  5548. # [14:38] <sonotos> Grephix`dev: we have 200 projects
  5549. # [14:38] <sonotos> modules, libraries, gateway projects, themes etc
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  5551. # [14:39] <Grephix`dev> I never work on more than 3 at a time, lol
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  5554. # [14:39] <Grephix`dev> True, I guess it depends on how you setup your projects :)
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  5556. # [14:39] <sonotos> Grephix`dev: they are all part of one bigger project
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  5558. # [14:39] <Grephix`dev> That's what I was getting at ;)
  5559. # [14:39] <sonotos> it's just splitted up
  5560. # [14:40] <sonotos> well you don't want to have projects with serveral million loc, in one project. especially not in eclipse hrhr
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  5562. # [14:40] <puppion> ok, downloading phpstorm
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  5565. # [14:40] <Grephix`dev> hehehe
  5566. # [14:40] <Grephix`dev> agreed
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  5571. # [14:41] <sonotos> Grephix`dev: i've heard there's an enterprise version of PhpStrom that should have this multi project feature
  5572. # [14:41] <menc> hi
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  5574. # [14:42] <Grephix`dev> Is it really?
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  5576. # [14:42] <Grephix`dev> Never heard about that tbh
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  5579. # [14:42] <sonotos> not shure if this is just the java idea or also the phpmodule
  5580. # [14:42] <Grephix`dev> Google doesn't get me any wiser on the subject either
  5581. # [14:43] <sonotos> a friend told me after complaining about that
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  5583. # [14:43] <sonotos> i did not fint it either
  5584. # [14:43] <sonotos> find
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  5586. # [14:43] <sonotos> i should have asked him direct where
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  5591. # [14:44] <Grephix`dev> whom?
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  5594. # [14:45] <Ajay_> hi
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  5599. # [14:46] <Ajay_> Is html5 is working in all major Browsers?
  5600. # [14:46] <vldcnst> yes
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  5603. # [14:46] <aSFASfAsf> eae galere!
  5604. # [14:47] <Grephix`dev> Ajay_: define 'html5' ;-)
  5605. # [14:47] <aSFASfAsf> os garção gostam de dalo K
  5606. # [14:47] <aSFASfAsf> servir dalo K
  5607. # [14:47] <Grephix`dev> Not all specifications are fully addapted by all major browsers
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  5611. # [14:47] <Gabriel> coeehhhhhhh
  5612. # [14:47] <aSFASfAsf> cole!
  5613. # [14:47] <aSFASfAsf> flamengobr
  5614. # [14:47] <Ajay_> I want to use SVG but we are support ie7+. Is there any way to use svg in ie7
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  5616. # [14:47] <@divya> aSFASfAsf: please stick to english
  5617. # [14:48] <Ajay_> I want to use SVG but we are support ie7+. Is there any way to use svg in ie7
  5618. # [14:48] <Ajay_> ?
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  5620. # [14:48] <aSFASfAsf> oi
  5621. # [14:48] <az09|and> Ajay_, raphaeljs
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  5626. # [14:49] <servirDaloK> cole divya
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  5630. # [14:50] <servirDaloK> divya: do u like daloK?
  5631. # [14:50] <Ajay_> yes, raphaeljs is a solution because they used vml also
  5632. # [14:50] <@divya> servirDaloK: please stick to ontopic conversations, there is an offtopic chatroom for otherwise.
  5633. # [14:50] <servirDaloK> servir daloK
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  5635. # [14:50] <servirDaloK> sorry for trollar
  5636. # [14:50] <servirDaloK> to indo
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  5638. # [14:50] <Ajay_> is there any solution without raphaeljs
  5639. # [14:50] <Lifesnoozer> Yeah, write your own
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  5642. # [14:51] <Ajay_> in vml?
  5643. # [14:51] <akhil_> hi guys
  5644. # [14:51] <Lifesnoozer> Yep
  5645. # [14:51] <mstalfoort> Ajay_, yep
  5646. # [14:51] <Ajay_> ok
  5647. # [14:51] <Ajay_> one more question?
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  5649. # [14:51] <Lifesnoozer> But really no reason to do that when you could use raphaël instead
  5650. # [14:51] <mstalfoort> Ajay_, it should be easier with a system like raphaeljs
  5651. # [14:51] <abdsener> 1
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  5654. # [14:52] <Ajay_> I want to create a chess program in css3/js. Can any one give me a link how i can process for that?
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  5656. # [14:52] <Skinny26> Hello all!
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  5660. # [14:53] <Ajay_> I want to create a chess program in css3/js. Can any one give me a link how i can process for that?
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  5662. # [14:54] <andrewjbaker> Looks like WP made this week's HTML5 Weekly newsletter.
  5663. # [14:54] <andrewjbaker> http://html5weekly.com/archive/58.html
  5664. # [14:54] <mstalfoort> Ajay_, my guess is you'll have to google for that,... this is not really the channel for such specific queries
  5665. # [14:55] <Ajay_> ok
  5666. # [14:55] <Ajay_> thanks
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  5670. # [14:58] <Ajay_> but could you(mstalfoort) please let me know, What type of queries we can ask in this channel.
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  5677. # [15:00] <Dubaut> Всем привет 🇷🇺
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  5680. # [15:01] <webnick> dubaut, stick to english pls
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  5687. # [15:02] <mstalfoort> anything related to webplatform.org and/or the technologies described on the site, your query is very game specific
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  5692. # [15:03] <mstalfoort> unless 1 of the admins have another point of view (which isnt described in the topic)
  5693. # [15:03] <sonotos> hm, who has reset the mainpage?
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  5717. # [15:09] <maelhabashy> hi
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  5721. # [15:09] <Anna__> where should I post suggestions for the webplatform css... I can't distinguish the blue link colour from the grey, the contrast is not nearly enough
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  5725. # [15:09] <_kud> Boooriiing.
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  5728. # [15:10] <Anna__> anyone?
  5729. # [15:10] <sonotos> Anna__: please create a bug report
  5730. # [15:10] <sonotos> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org
  5731. # [15:10] <Anna__> perfect, thanks!
  5732. # [15:10] <sonotos> yw
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  5739. # [15:11] <edi> wow this looks like new here ;-)
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  5741. # [15:12] <razwan> hey
  5742. # [15:12] <razwan> what's this :D
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  5744. # [15:13] <razwan> hm...
  5745. # [15:13] <razwan> so no one's here
  5746. # [15:13] <Guest51704> Im here man :D
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  5772. # [15:18] * divya sets mode: +o karlcow
  5773. # [15:18] <@divya> karlcow: if you have the time to stop the bots from flooding the channel pls do!
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  5781. # [15:20] <@karlcow> divya: it is interesting at least socially to see what is happening.
  5782. # [15:20] <sonotos> karlcow: ack
  5783. # [15:21] <sonotos> provide an easy access for the mass and you have the mess...
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  5786. # [15:22] <swain|dev> I agree with sonotos.
  5787. # [15:22] <@karlcow> brb
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  5790. # [15:23] <swain|dev> Nice quit message. XD
  5791. # [15:23] <sonotos> hm should check if not somebody else said that before, i like it :-)
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  5794. # [15:23] <@divya> i have mentioned it to the admins anyways. hopefully there wont be webchat soon.
  5795. # [15:23] <sonotos> thx
  5796. # [15:24] <sonotos> maybe we can reanable it later again
  5797. # [15:24] <sonotos> at the moment there where many articles in diffrent news pages
  5798. # [15:24] <sonotos> think that drives the average forum trolls to the irc
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  5805. # [15:25] <nghia> Hi all, have a nice day with the new platform.
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  5808. # [15:25] <raku> hai
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  5835. # [15:32] <gilvam> I wonder what is the best IDE for mac or windows in javascrip
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  5842. # [15:33] <Nick_Zaccardi> Good morning.
  5843. # [15:33] <Chopki> Afternoon
  5844. # [15:33] <@divya> it is hilarious that the very first question that anybody asks in any forum
  5845. # [15:33] <@divya> is what is the best IDE
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  5847. # [15:33] <@divya> the best IDE is the one you master.
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  5849. # [15:33] <Nick_Zaccardi> divya: Sublime Text... unless you are crazy, then learn VIM
  5850. # [15:33] <Nick_Zaccardi> :)
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  5853. # [15:33] <Chopki> Submlime is good
  5854. # [15:33] <Kevin3> I agree with Nick_Zaccardi.
  5855. # [15:34] <Chopki> not an IDE though
  5856. # [15:34] * sonotos prefers Eclipse / Netbeans
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  5859. # [15:34] <Nick_Zaccardi> Chopki: HOw is it NOT an ide?
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  5863. # [15:34] <Chopki> its a text editor
  5864. # [15:34] <@divya> and o why is sublime not an IDE?
  5865. # [15:34] <@divya> orly
  5866. # [15:34] <Nick_Zaccardi> With git, ftp
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  5868. # [15:34] <Nick_Zaccardi> Autocompletion
  5869. # [15:34] <Tomato> Hey cuties.
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  5871. # [15:35] <gilvam> tanks
  5872. # [15:35] <Nick_Zaccardi> There are 100000 things Sublime can do for you!
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  5877. # [15:35] <gilvam> thank you*
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  5880. # [15:35] <Chopki> It may be a glorified text editor but it does not have the features of something like Eclipse
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  5883. # [15:36] <kranius> Chopki: what features ?
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  5886. # [15:36] <mstalfoort> what about brackets?
  5887. # [15:36] <Nick_Zaccardi> In all seriousness, what has made you come to that conclusion. I will step off my soap box and listen to your reason. Then let the plebs decide.
  5888. # [15:36] <kranius> real men use vim
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  5895. # [15:37] <kranius> and some unix-flavored OS
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  5900. # [15:37] <Nick_Zaccardi> right... and we should all use punch cards.
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  5902. # [15:37] <Chopki> sublime text has only really its text editing component, it can do a little more behind the scenes but Eclipse can debug and do much more i.e. GUI development and testing - more than text editing
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  5905. # [15:38] <@divya> kranius: how about real women?™
  5906. # [15:38] <@divya> never mind this stupid IDE discussion
  5907. # [15:38] <kranius> yup
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  5911. # [15:40] <pahbloo> hello there.
  5912. # [15:40] <plamoni> divya: real women are more mature than to judge others by their text editor… Though I guess you already pointed that out
  5913. # [15:40] <freeman> hello everybody
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  5915. # [15:40] <freeman> hahha
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  5917. # [15:40] <kranius> real women would use butterflies
  5918. # [15:41] <pahbloo> is anyone here knowing when webplatform will have a multilanguage wiki?
  5919. # [15:41] * plamoni steps away from kranius in case divya pulls out the kickhammer...
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  5922. # [15:41] <Nick_Zaccardi> pahbloo: I saw a post on the forum about it.
  5923. # [15:41] <@divya> just shutup kranius
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  5925. # [15:41] <Nick_Zaccardi> pahbloo: The answer was yes, in time.
  5926. # [15:42] <Nick_Zaccardi> pahbloo: Granted that was the forum and not an official answer
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  5930. # [15:42] <pahbloo> Nick_Zaccardi: Good. I expect help to translate good docs to Portuguese. There are very few today.
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  5947. # [15:48] <lobos0ft> osf?
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  5949. # [15:48] <mstalfoort> divya, little ot, will brackets be supported on lets say ubuntu ?
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  5951. # [15:49] <@divya> mstalfoort: maybe! but i think they dont have bandwidth to work on it? you should ask on #brackets
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  5953. # [15:49] <Rufus> Hello :D
  5954. # [15:49] <@divya> coz lots have wanted that.
  5955. # [15:49] <mstalfoort> divya, thx
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  5963. # [15:50] <lobos0ft> is this really working?
  5964. # [15:51] <@divya> no
  5965. # [15:51] <@divya> :))
  5966. # [15:51] <Doidim> So.. I heard U like computers.. Is it true?
  5967. # [15:51] <sz0ka> no its broken
  5968. # [15:51] <Lucas> Hello
  5969. # [15:51] <sz0ka> what are we talking about?
  5970. # [15:51] <sz0ka> hi Lucas :)
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  5973. # [15:52] * lobos0ft slaps Doidim around a bit with a large fishbot
  5974. # [15:52] <Sundberg_Music> hello webworkers
  5975. # [15:52] <sz0ka> Doidim: Actually we all hate our computers BUT we are masochists and like it when it really hurts
  5976. # [15:52] <Lucas> Finally learned how to do drag and drop with html5
  5977. # [15:52] <Doidim> Lets talk about Bugs! I love bugsd :)
  5978. # [15:52] <plamoni> Lucas: cool
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  5981. # [15:53] <Lucas> Doidim you is brasilian?
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  5983. # [15:53] <Doidim> Ya! XD
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  5985. # [15:53] <Doidim> What was your tip? =p
  5986. # [15:53] <Lucas> I too
  5987. # [15:53] <lobos0ft> l
  5988. # [15:54] <Doidim> I shoul've working right now...
  5989. # [15:54] <Lucas> I hate bugs
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  5991. # [15:54] <Doidim> I love them!!
  5992. # [15:54] <Doidim> Without them i would have no work..
  5993. # [15:54] <Doidim> (not sure if correct gramar)
  5994. # [15:54] <Lucas> They can sometimes end up with a complete project
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  5996. # [15:54] <Doidim> (*grammar)
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  5999. # [15:55] <Doidim> That is true..
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  6003. # [15:55] <Doidim> But if it happens means that U've failed
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  6006. # [15:55] <Lucas> yes
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  6009. # [15:56] <sham4002> hey guys
  6010. # [15:56] <Lucas> bugs are natural things can always happen
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  6013. # [15:56] <Lucas> Speak bro?
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  6015. # [15:56] <Doidim> So.. I have lots of them to fix..
  6016. # [15:56] <Doidim> See ya pals o/
  6017. # [15:56] <Diego> http://www.jogodavelhadigital.com.br
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  6019. # [15:57] <Lucas> What's this?
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  6022. # [15:57] <Doidim> its broken
  6023. # [15:57] <Doidim> oh no, my bad
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  6025. # [15:58] <Doidim> cool
  6026. # [15:58] <Lucas> You know messing with css, javascript, html5?
  6027. # [15:59] <Doidim> Now is serious.. Bye!
  6028. # [15:59] <Lucas> Bye '-'
  6029. # [15:59] <arkhi> Hello World.
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  6041. # [16:03] <sadsa> :-?
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  6060. # [16:06] <krava> Hello world!
  6061. # [16:06] <Lucas> hello '-'
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  6069. # [16:08] <Lucas> As I centralize a text with css?
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  6074. # [16:08] <webnick> do u mean text-align: center?
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  6076. # [16:09] <Lucas> Not working
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  6080. # [16:10] <gigwattz> Will work on this a little later, anyone who wants to start can do. http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/programming/javascript/future
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  6083. # [16:10] <webnick> Lucas: see private chat
  6084. # [16:11] <Lucas> ?
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  6086. # [16:11] <Lucas> I am not registered
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  6092. # [16:12] <webnick> do u have an example script where it does not work?
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  6095. # [16:12] <ChooChooooNDraa> oh, hi!
  6096. # [16:12] <Lucas> no ;´(
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  6103. # [16:13] <webnick> do u want to center only text or a container?
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  6106. # [16:14] <ChooChooooNDraa> Do this cite has list of compatibles around HTML5 ? I mean can i know which feature is enabled in different browser.
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  6126. # [16:20] <RRADIXX> Hello
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  6153. # [16:25] <grc> so what?
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  6157. # [16:26] <josemon> hi, I am new here..what is this webplatform meant for ??? please help ...anyone ?
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  6164. # [16:27] <@ppk_> webplatform is meant to document browser incompatibilities. It's just started up, so there isn't a lot of info on the site yet. But that'll be corrected later on.
  6165. # [16:27] <@shepazu> morning, folks
  6166. # [16:27] <sonotos> moin
  6167. # [16:27] <@ppk_> 'afternoon.
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  6170. # [16:28] <@shepazu> ppk_: browser incompatibilities? you mean browser features and interop, and some incompatibilities, right? :D
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  6172. # [16:28] <@ppk_> It all boils down to the same.
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  6175. # [16:28] <@ppk_> Stuff I'm supposed to figure out.
  6176. # [16:28] <@shepazu> :)
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  6178. # [16:29] <Nick_Zaccardi> good morning shepazu
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  6182. # [16:30] <jfsd> hello
  6183. # [16:30] <@shepazu> hi, Nick_Zaccardi
  6184. # [16:30] <desbenoit> Afternoon shepazu :)
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  6189. # [16:31] <@shepazu> hi, desbenoit
  6190. # [16:31] <test_> hi @shepazu
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  6196. # [16:33] <@shepazu> I've had some requests to remove the IRC web client, because of abuse… what do you all think? we have some options… maybe we could disable it when there aren't ops here, or increase the security with a captcha, or something
  6197. # [16:33] <sonotos> shepazu: wont help against kiddie trolls
  6198. # [16:33] <sonotos> require a user account
  6199. # [16:33] <@shepazu> we want this channel to be productive
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  6201. # [16:33] <sonotos> with a valid mail
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  6203. # [16:33] <webnick> require registration
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  6206. # [16:34] <@shepazu> sonotos: wouldn't that raise the bar too high?
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  6209. # [16:34] <sonotos> shepazu: not really
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  6211. # [16:34] <sonotos> we are talking about people who claim to be developer
  6212. # [16:34] <sonotos> right?
  6213. # [16:35] <webnick> i think all users who want to be productive register their account
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  6215. # [16:35] <sonotos> i mean you nead also an account to edit in the wiki
  6216. # [16:35] <Riant> Hello, everyone
  6217. # [16:35] <@shepazu> but not to read the wiki…
  6218. # [16:35] <sonotos> we could use the same account at least
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  6220. # [16:35] <@shepazu> hi, Riant
  6221. # [16:35] <@ppk_> How bad is spamming and trolling in practice?
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  6223. # [16:35] <Riant> YEs?
  6224. # [16:35] <desbenoit> I don't think a captch would slow the trolls down
  6225. # [16:35] <Nick_Zaccardi> The great dilemma of building a community... To much freedom you have to deal with trolls, to strict and nothing gets accomplished.
  6226. # [16:35] <Riant> I am new here
  6227. # [16:36] <@ppk_> I took over ops duty from divya a while back, but nothing happened.
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  6229. # [16:36] <mstalfoort> it comes and goes
  6230. # [16:36] <sonotos> shepazu: yes but they are writing here also, i mean this channel was planned to exchange between experts or people who want to become experts
  6231. # [16:36] <_cheney> i'd remove it, at least it would cut down on the join spam
  6232. # [16:36] <dontcallmedom> I'm happy to act as (c)op, if there is some guidance as to what is allowed or not
  6233. # [16:36] <@shepazu> divya was saying that there were a bunch of trolls overnight
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  6235. # [16:37] <sonotos> well they could also install an normal irc client
  6236. # [16:37] <dontcallmedom> tying access to the chat to having an account would make sense (although I can imagine not being trivial to set up)
  6237. # [16:37] <@ppk_> What's also necessary is a few ops from North America, a few from Europe, and a few from East Asia/Australia.
  6238. # [16:37] <mstalfoort> yeah, she was quite busy with it
  6239. # [16:37] * shepazu sets mode: +o dontcallmedom
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  6241. # [16:37] <@ppk_> So that there's always at least one, whatever the time.
  6242. # [16:37] <desbenoit> It's quieter today, yesterday there was a true hit...
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  6244. # [16:37] <_cheney> chat is helpful but i don't think it needs to be embedded to the site
  6245. # [16:37] <Tomato> Don't worry, I'm still here to bug you all day long desbenoit.
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  6247. # [16:37] <sonotos> well we had allready fu today with some wanabees
  6248. # [16:37] <sonotos> fun
  6249. # [16:37] <@shepazu> I think the channel will slow down over the next few weeks
  6250. # [16:38] <desbenoit> :) Tomato
  6251. # [16:38] <@shepazu> hi, Tomato
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  6253. # [16:38] <sonotos> shepazu: yes but until then it will leave a very bad impression to serious users
  6254. # [16:38] <sonotos> it was advertised
  6255. # [16:38] <@shepazu> ok, so, we need to do something
  6256. # [16:38] <@ppk_> The real work will be done elsewhere, anyway.
  6257. # [16:38] <sonotos> people are coming, see just bullshit and leave
  6258. # [16:39] <@ppk_> This chat is just for answering newbie questions, I guess.
  6259. # [16:39] <_WiZZarD> serious users on irc will usually ignore crap when they see it
  6260. # [16:39] <sonotos> ppk_: not only
  6261. # [16:39] <@shepazu> ppk_: yes, and also for socializing and coordinating
  6262. # [16:39] <sonotos> serious user have an irc client
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  6264. # [16:39] <_WiZZarD> true
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  6266. # [16:39] <@ppk_> For serious coordinating I'd say we use a back channel.
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  6269. # [16:39] <mstalfoort> a lot of the first question were: "which ide is best"
  6270. # [16:39] <sonotos> i talk about the people coming over the webchat
  6271. # [16:39] <sonotos> i mean most of them are ok
  6272. # [16:39] <_WiZZarD> and: the more serious stuff being talked about, the less room for trolls to walk around\
  6273. # [16:40] <_WiZZarD> which makes it just easier to ignore them
  6274. # [16:40] <Tomato_> shepazu, this guy has been trolling this morning on the forums.
  6275. # [16:40] <@shepazu> ppk_: I'd prefer to avoid backchannel where possible
  6276. # [16:40] <@shepazu> Tomato_: which guy?
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  6278. # [16:40] <_WiZZarD> forumtrolls deserve a ip based ban imho
  6279. # [16:40] <@ppk_> shepazu: But eventually you, I, and some others will have to talk about my compat tables.
  6280. # [16:40] <sonotos> in theory yes
  6281. # [16:40] <Tomato_> Wax eagle, he was contributing a lot last night and seemed completely fine.
  6282. # [16:40] <Tomato_> Now he seems angry, and started posting topics asking people to leave the site.
  6283. # [16:40] <@ppk_> Do you want to do it here in an environment that can become a monkey cage any minute?
  6284. # [16:40] <sonotos> _WiZZarD: well most of them used the webchat
  6285. # [16:40] <_WiZZarD> then his drugs kicked in?
  6286. # [16:40] <sonotos> hard to ban
  6287. # [16:40] <Steve__> Hi everyone, first time here.. interesting subject, trolls. I think it's a term which people throw about a lot now - I think some people get called trolls who just simply are old fashioned 'newbs' and might be asking the wrong question.
  6288. # [16:41] <_WiZZarD> ah, buit those arent forum trolls sonotos
  6289. # [16:41] <_WiZZarD> ;)
  6290. # [16:41] <@shepazu> ppk_: yes, we do
  6291. # [16:41] <Tomato_> I banned him for self-advertising, but I can't see his IP and he's still posting as an anonymous user.
  6292. # [16:41] <@ppk_> shepazu: Hm.
  6293. # [16:41] <@ppk_> Not ideal.
  6294. # [16:41] * _WiZZarD hasn't used qweb in a while
  6295. # [16:41] <@ppk_> Anyway, there's always email.
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  6297. # [16:41] <@shepazu> yes
  6298. # [16:41] <_WiZZarD> but it should be possible to ban IP's from using it
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  6300. # [16:42] <@ppk_> Anyway, I don't set policy for webplatform.
  6301. # [16:42] <_WiZZarD> if needed I can dive into that
  6302. # [16:42] <sonotos> moin Tomato_ btw
  6303. # [16:42] <Tomato_> Hi sonotos~!~!
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  6307. # [16:42] <sonotos> well let's see i think shepazu is write, it will slow down with the time
  6308. # [16:42] <sonotos> right
  6309. # [16:42] <Nick_Zaccardi> How many serious users come through the webchat? 1/2 1/10 1/100
  6310. # [16:42] <@shepazu> _WiZZarD: are you volunteering to set up SSO and IP blocking for qwebirc?
  6311. # [16:43] <Nick_Zaccardi> Tough to estimate I am sure.
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  6313. # [16:43] <_WiZZarD> if i can figure it out again, i don't mind
  6314. # [16:43] <Wilto> Full disclosure: I, too, am a troll.
  6315. # [16:43] <_WiZZarD> got it working once
  6316. # [16:43] <_WiZZarD> should be doable again
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  6318. # [16:43] <_WiZZarD> it's basically just a crapload of python
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  6320. # [16:43] <Steve__> Why do trolls troll (serious question) I can't get my head around it
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  6322. # [16:43] <Kevin3> Nick_Zaccardi, what do you mean by "serious"?
  6323. # [16:44] <sonotos> Steve__: to get attention
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  6325. # [16:44] <@shepazu> Wiltroll: :D
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  6328. # [16:44] <Nick_Zaccardi> Kevin3: I mean, people who are interested in being a part of the community
  6329. # [16:44] <_WiZZarD> Steve__: why do little kids go from door to door and ring each bell, just to run away?
  6330. # [16:44] <ali> hi
  6331. # [16:44] <_WiZZarD> trolling is just the digitized form of that imho
  6332. # [16:44] <Steve__> So is it proven that all trolls are children?
  6333. # [16:44] <Steve__> If so, just have an age limit???
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  6336. # [16:45] <_cheney> pretty much, i did the same as a child
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  6338. # [16:45] <sonotos> it's the same patter like naughty kids
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  6340. # [16:45] <sonotos> no not only kids
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  6345. # [16:45] <webnick> Steve___: what age is the best to choose for this limit?
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  6348. # [16:46] <Powersource> on talk.webplatform.org/chat there is nothing telling us the irc adress to this server. i can figure it out but having it in plain text would be nice
  6349. # [16:46] <webnick> there's a link
  6350. # [16:46] <Steve__> Webnick, i play the devil's advocate, I don't believe all trolls are children
  6351. # [16:46] <vldcnst> Powersource: http://talk.webplatform.org/ ?
  6352. # [16:46] <desbenoit> webnick It's not a question of age, i know 50 yo trolls
  6353. # [16:47] <Grephix`dev> Powersource: http://www.freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml
  6354. # [16:47] <Grephix`dev> any of those servers
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  6356. # [16:47] <Steve__> So is 'how do we stop trolls in a community' a fair question ?
  6357. # [16:47] <webnick> thats also my opinion ;) and there are also young people who are no trolls
  6358. # [16:47] <Powersource> i know, but why not put irc.freenode.net #webplatform on the page
  6359. # [16:47] <Nick_Zaccardi> Steve__: That is an age old questions...
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  6361. # [16:48] <Nick_Zaccardi> People have been dealing with that since the early days of the internet.
  6362. # [16:48] <arkhi> I guess the webchat should be used as support through some chan like #webplatform-support, while the organization would be done somewhere else.
  6363. # [16:48] <arkhi> If this is explained on the chat page, then users would just reach the chan they're interested in and there would be less noise for everyone, eventually.
  6364. # [16:48] * Sandkorn yawns
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  6367. # [16:48] <arkhi> Steve__: Stop the community.
  6368. # [16:48] <Steve__> Personally I wish the internet had no spam and trolls, but then there are the other 50% of the global population who think differently
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  6370. # [16:49] <Steve__> arkhi- good idea :D
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  6372. # [16:49] <desbenoit> We are all trolls in hiding, it depends of the subject and the point of view.
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  6377. # [16:50] <desbenoit> The "new" effect will fade eventualy and till it's normal IMHO to face some troll.
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  6382. # [16:51] <VladimirKrstic> well hello
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  6387. # [16:51] <Steve__> Does anyone agree that GWT is far too complicated to be a useful tool?
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  6389. # [16:52] <Kevin3> Nick_Zaccardi, I think most of people want to know the aim of this website, and decide to being a part of the community if they can or if it is interesting. In fews days, only the serious people must stay.
  6390. # [16:52] <@shepazu> quick opinion polll: should I relabel "forums" to "q&a"?
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  6395. # [16:52] <desbenoit> shepazu yes.
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  6398. # [16:52] <_WiZZarD> in its current form: yes
  6399. # [16:52] <@ppk_> Yes.
  6400. # [16:53] <mstalfoort> yes
  6401. # [16:53] <Tomato> Yes.
  6402. # [16:53] <VladimirKrstic> okay, yes
  6403. # [16:53] <Tomato> Hahaha.
  6404. # [16:53] <webnick> yes
  6405. # [16:53] <sonotos> yes
  6406. # [16:53] <Steve__> How about wpdOverflow?
  6407. # [16:53] <Tomato> By the way, blocking doesn't work at all, so I just unblocked that guy and asked him to stop advertising.
  6408. # [16:53] <Tomato> He can still post though despite the block.
  6409. # [16:54] <arkhi> Tomato: Seems like the most civil way to do it. :)
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  6411. # [16:54] <desbenoit> indeed
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  6414. # [16:54] <Tomato> Oh well.
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  6416. # [16:54] <@shepazu> Tomato: blocking where?
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  6420. # [16:55] <tonymx227> msg
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  6422. # [16:55] <tonymx227> hi
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  6424. # [16:55] <Tomato> He was posting these topics on the forum, so I told divya about it and was told to try blocking him. So I tried on the wiki, that didn't work obviously, and I couldn't figure out how to block his forum account.
  6425. # [16:55] <arkhi> Tomato: (That meant “well done”)
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  6429. # [16:55] <Tomato> Thanks arkhi. :3
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  6442. # [16:56] <Tomato> or ban his forum account I should say.
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  6444. # [16:56] <@shepazu> Tomato, you mean Wax Eagle?
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  6446. # [16:56] <Steve__> can we disable joined/quit notifications ?
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  6448. # [16:56] <Maosud> hey guys
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  6450. # [16:56] <Tomato> Yeah.
  6451. # [16:56] <arkhi> Steve__: Depends on your client
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  6453. # [16:56] <Maosud> i have a question
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  6455. # [16:56] <Steve__> how would one do that?
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  6457. # [16:56] <Tomato> He was posting topics asking people to leave the forum to join Stack Exchange.
  6458. # [16:57] <@ppk_> Maosud: Ask
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  6460. # [16:57] <arkhi> Hello Maosud
  6461. # [16:57] <Maosud> how can i don't let a text in <p> dont get out of it , i mean line width ?????
  6462. # [16:57] <Steve__> web / Chrome
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  6464. # [16:57] <Tomato> Hi jkomoros.
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  6468. # [16:58] <Maosud> how can i don't let a text in <p> dont get out of it , i mean line width ?????
  6469. # [16:58] <@ppk_> Maosud: Sorry, I don't understand. What doesn't the text get out of?
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  6472. # [16:58] <Maosud> wait , i will show u
  6473. # [16:58] <arkhi> Maosud: It's always easier for others to answer with a code example. :)
  6474. # [16:58] <@ppk_> Please
  6475. # [16:58] <arkhi> ha
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  6478. # [16:59] <thonju> what's wrong
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  6480. # [16:59] <Sandkorn> everything. more cowbell is needet.
  6481. # [17:00] <Steve__> How can I disable joined/quit notifications when using the IRC web client, in chrome on a PC?
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  6483. # [17:01] <FFFix> test msg
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  6486. # [17:01] <phwd> Tomato: I got a notice that I was banned for sharing an IP with someone else
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  6488. # [17:01] <phwd> can you confirm?
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  6490. # [17:01] <@shepazu> Steve__: the web cient has limited options, if you want to hang out for real, you should use a regulr chat client
  6491. # [17:01] <Steve__> FFFix: msg received
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  6494. # [17:02] <Steve__> ah ha, thanks Shepazu
  6495. # [17:02] <Tomato> I only banned one person, although he was just unbanned because the block didn't work, there shouldn't be any blocks that were put up by me.
  6496. # [17:02] <Tomato> phwd
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  6501. # [17:03] <Maosud> guys see this
  6502. # [17:03] <Maosud> http://uploadpic.ir/up/images/1.png
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  6504. # [17:03] <phwd> Tomato: see this http://i.stack.imgur.com/V0n5H.png
  6505. # [17:03] <phwd> That's what I got when going for an edit
  6506. # [17:03] <Maosud> a text in <p> go out of it's width
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  6510. # [17:04] <Maosud> http://uploadpic.ir/up/images/1.png >> so what can i do to don't let a text get out of it's width ???
  6511. # [17:04] <Guest35539> hello!
  6512. # [17:04] <@ppk_> Now I get it.
  6513. # [17:04] <Steve__> Maosud: try - overflow:hidden;
  6514. # [17:04] <Steve__> in css
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  6516. # [17:04] <phwd> I don't know how the IPs get logged but... I'm currently in Bahamas on a small island @_@ (no joke)
  6517. # [17:04] <Maosud> ok , i will try now
  6518. # [17:04] <@ppk_> Maosud: There are no spaces or other breakpoint characters such as - in that line.
  6519. # [17:04] <arkhi> Maosud: Will it really happen that a word is going to be that long?
  6520. # [17:04] <@ppk_> So the browser can't break it off anywhere, and it's treated as one word.
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  6523. # [17:05] <@ppk_> Which sticks out of the <p>
  6524. # [17:05] <Maosud> yes , i want it automaticlly break the line
  6525. # [17:05] <@ppk_> overflow: hidden is one solution
  6526. # [17:05] <mstalfoort> you can do a "word-wrap: break-word;" in css Maosud
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  6528. # [17:05] <@ppk_> But this problem doesn't occur in real sentences because they have spaces.
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  6530. # [17:06] <Len_> exit
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  6533. # [17:06] <arkhi> overflow: hidden would also prevent anything to overflow, so use with caution.
  6534. # [17:06] <Maosud> guys thank you , overflow:hidden works , thanks a lot , i'm just 16 , so i don't have enough experience :D
  6535. # [17:06] <Maosud> thanksss
  6536. # [17:06] <Steve__> Maosud, see mstalfoort's answer
  6537. # [17:06] <Steve__> it's better
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  6539. # [17:07] <webnick> overflow: hidden just hides the overflow, there's no line-break then
  6540. # [17:07] <arkhi> Maosud, unless you're dealing with chinese or asian languages, best guess is you won't have such a problem in real life.
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  6545. # [17:07] <arkhi> So mstalfoort is probably a more flexible solution.
  6546. # [17:08] <Steve__> Here's a question - when isn't 'word-wrap: break-word' the browser default ?
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  6549. # [17:08] <mstalfoort> Steve__, cant answer that one ;)
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  6551. # [17:09] <@ppk_> Because it's never been the default.
  6552. # [17:09] <@ppk_> Backward compatibility.
  6553. # [17:09] <@ppk_> That's circular reasoning, but there you go.
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  6556. # [17:09] <arkhi> Steve__: I guess the default is to not break anything, ideally. :p
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  6559. # [17:09] <Steve__> sometimes backwards compatibility doesn't mean 'logical' - but I take the point :)
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  6562. # [17:10] <@ppk_> Backward compatibility is rarely logical.
  6563. # [17:10] <Sandkorn> Default: "Content exceeds the boundaries of its container." ( http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms531186(VS.85,loband).aspx )
  6564. # [17:10] <@ppk_> It's following what the other guy did because he did what he did.
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  6574. # [17:12] <webnick> maybe you should add "word-wrap: break-word; overflow: auto"
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  6576. # [17:12] <Tomato> Hey shepazu, not sure if you saw it but someone posted the same topic five times asking for tags to be forced on the forum so that questions do not get lost. Can that be done?
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  6578. # [17:13] <@shepazu> Tomato: I can look into it
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  6584. # [17:14] <Steve__> is it just me, or does the table on /svg 'hang over the edge'?
  6585. # [17:15] <Steve__> doesn't look very web 3.0
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  6587. # [17:15] <Xbooo> ola
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  6589. # [17:16] <Steve__> hi xbooo
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  6591. # [17:16] <phwd> Steve__: it does hang
  6592. # [17:16] <Powersource> lol TIL !!something in js turns the object into a boolean and inverts it, and then inverts it again
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  6594. # [17:17] <Munter_> Powersource: A fine way of testing truthiness of a value if you're in doubt
  6595. # [17:17] <Steve__> so.. do i just leave a comment above the table and tell someone to fix it?
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  6599. # [17:18] <Steve__> 'ask'
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  6601. # [17:18] <phwd> Steve__: ithink so
  6602. # [17:18] <ll__> hello
  6603. # [17:18] <phwd> Though the same applies for other tables in the Docs as well
  6604. # [17:19] <phwd> So maybe the table format needs to be switched for something else?
  6605. # [17:19] <mdel> this channel is a great idea, really glad to hear #webplatform is taking off
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  6608. # [17:19] <Andy> joooo
  6609. # [17:19] <Andy> hello
  6610. # [17:19] <Andy> I vave an problem
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  6612. # [17:20] <webnick> do u have more information andy?
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  6615. # [17:21] <wax_eagle> tomato: I'm not angry btw
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  6617. # [17:22] <wax_eagle> I'm also not trolling.
  6618. # [17:22] <Tomato> I know.
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  6622. # [17:22] <wax_eagle> cool. apologies for the repost.
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  6635. # [17:25] <kittens_> HI!
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  6639. # [17:25] <kittens_> Any admin help please
  6640. # [17:26] <kittens_> ^^
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  6644. # [17:26] <lampe2> hey how
  6645. # [17:26] <kittens_> what?
  6646. # [17:26] <kittens_> help plz
  6647. # [17:26] <kittens_> u admin?
  6648. # [17:26] <ralphholzmann> what do you need kittens_ ?
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  6650. # [17:26] <lampe2> are you still makeing the web fps game ? :D kittens_
  6651. # [17:27] <kittens_> lampe?
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  6654. # [17:27] <lampe2> no iam not an admin i just joind the chanell
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  6657. # [17:27] <kittens_> unban my nicks please
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  6659. # [17:27] <kittens_> why banned kitten^^ and kitten99?
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  6661. # [17:27] <kittens_> :(
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  6663. # [17:28] <kittens_> i think bad moderator is catsfobic
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  6665. # [17:28] <Tomato> catsfobic?
  6666. # [17:28] <lampe2> looool
  6667. # [17:28] <@Garbee> kittens_, Because your causing too much noise.
  6668. # [17:28] <mfer> anyone know who handles search on the wiki?
  6669. # [17:28] <kittens_> yes ha afraid and do not like cats
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  6671. # [17:28] <kittens_> u banned me?
  6672. # [17:28] <Steve__> How should I reference TCP from the /concepts/internet_and_web/how_does_the_internet_work (TCP has a stub page already)?
  6673. # [17:28] <mfer> i've found a bug where a search result can show up multiple times. not sure where to report it
  6674. # [17:28] <Tomato> mfer, what is your question about wiki searches. o;
  6675. # [17:29] <kittens_> why? :(((
  6676. # [17:29] <Tomato> Oh okay, mfer, you can check out this page for filing bugs: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Filing_Bugs
  6677. # [17:29] <phwd> Did you get all the information you needed about your 2D platform game?
  6678. # [17:29] <kittens_> i want start open project open game
  6679. # [17:30] <mfer> @Tomato thanks
  6680. # [17:30] <kittens_> how do?
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  6682. # [17:30] <kittens_> i just need help with developing
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  6684. # [17:30] <lampe2> kittens_, we are no teachers !
  6685. # [17:30] <Tomato> mfer, this is the direct link for posting a new bug: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=webplatform.org
  6686. # [17:30] <phwd> Right though you were given some links yesterday, didn't they work out?
  6687. # [17:31] <mfer> thanks
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  6691. # [17:31] <kittens_> project need few developers
  6692. # [17:31] <kittens_> and one designer
  6693. # [17:32] <kittens_> lgpl v3 + CC
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  6695. # [17:32] <kittens_> will be
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  6698. # [17:32] <lampe2> okay i stop feeding the troll ..
  6699. # [17:32] <erKadam> wht's up
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  6701. # [17:32] <Kashi> wow so many ppl out here already
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  6703. # [17:32] <kittens_> oh i think can use sounds and textures of other open games
  6704. # [17:32] <@shepazu> Tomato: I changed some options for the QA, I hope that helps with the spam
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  6706. # [17:33] <webnick> hi lampe2
  6707. # [17:33] <@shepazu> now I'm answering some forum questions
  6708. # [17:33] <lampe2> hi webnick
  6709. # [17:33] <kittens_> Why github have not compilled programms?
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  6711. # [17:33] <erKadam> hi
  6712. # [17:33] <Tomato> shepazu, thanks a ton, I appreciate it. The spam was pretty consistent last night, lol.
  6713. # [17:33] <kittens_> i just not see there are
  6714. # [17:33] <mdel> kittens_: thats a question for github support
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  6717. # [17:34] <phwd> Just read the instructions in the README of the repo for how to compile
  6718. # [17:35] <kittens_> Recommend good website please with html/js developers?
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  6720. # [17:35] <kittens_> sourceforge have compiled programms
  6721. # [17:35] <kittens_> i want download and atart programm
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  6724. # [17:35] <kittens_> i not have compile
  6725. # [17:35] <@Garbee> kittens_, GitHub can have compiled programs as well. It is all up to the devs to push one.
  6726. # [17:35] <kittens_> i not want compile
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  6729. # [17:36] <@Garbee> We can't help because you don't want to compile. Any issues with projects not related to webplatform.org we can't help with.
  6730. # [17:36] <kittens_> stop ban cat nick please^^
  6731. # [17:36] <kittens_> cats nicks
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  6733. # [17:37] <webnick> lampe2, did u solve ur problem?
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  6737. # [17:37] <lampe2> webnick, sort of :D with jquery mobile
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  6739. # [17:37] <Tomato> psst sonotos.
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  6742. # [17:37] <Tomato> Hi wax_eagle.
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  6746. # [17:38] <webnick> did u test it on a iDevice?
  6747. # [17:38] <@Garbee> kittens_, You are asking something so completely vague that there is no real way we can help. Also you shouldn't be soliciting for developers to help on a project in here.
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  6749. # [17:38] <sonotos> Tomato: hm?
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  6752. # [17:38] <Matin_> Helo
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  6754. # [17:38] <arkhi> Woudln't a bot with shortcuts to http://jsfiddle.net/ and the like would help moderators.
  6755. # [17:38] * dd_ slaps mstalfoort around a bit with a large fishbot
  6756. # [17:38] <Matin_> I need To Help !!
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  6758. # [17:39] <arkhi> for the offtopic chan, then.
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  6760. # [17:39] <Tomato> sonotos, I bet you want to help me sort 149 pages that got sorted into the wrong category. (;
  6761. # [17:39] <@Garbee> arkhi, A bot where?
  6762. # [17:39] <sonotos> Tomato: which ones?
  6763. # [17:39] <Matin_> Any one to help me ???
  6764. # [17:39] <kittens_> Garbee?
  6765. # [17:39] <kittens_> what u mean about developers?
  6766. # [17:39] <arkhi> Garbee: anywhere you're tired of repeating the same thing all over again. :)
  6767. # [17:39] <kittens_> game will be open
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  6769. # [17:40] <kittens_> project need developers
  6770. # [17:40] <@Garbee> kittens_, It may be, but you were asking for developers and designers to help earlier and that shouldn't be done.
  6771. # [17:40] <sonotos> we should write a script for such tasks :-)
  6772. # [17:40] <kittens_> cose i only start learning
  6773. # [17:40] <arkhi> Just suggestions, I don't have a proper server that would allow me to do this.
  6774. # [17:40] <@Garbee> arkhi, Oh, don't worry, I'm working on a helper bot for this channel.
  6775. # [17:40] <arkhi> Cool. :)
  6776. # [17:40] <@Garbee> I just have one thing to get done first which is this outline for the dev tools content.
  6777. # [17:41] <lampe2> haha make this bot funny. Garbee
  6778. # [17:41] <kittens_> garbee its u banned kittens nicks
  6779. # [17:41] <kittens_> unban please
  6780. # [17:41] <Tomato> Garbee, you know what would be a really awesome IRC bot? One that shows the edits on the wiki, possibly in another channel but it makes watching recent changes really easy.
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  6782. # [17:41] <kittens_> Your question will be checked and approved shortly. why?
  6783. # [17:41] * kittens_ was kicked by Garbee (kittens_)
  6784. # [17:41] <sonotos> Tomato: definitly in another channel
  6785. # [17:41] <Tomato> Yeah it would spam a lot obviously, lol.
  6786. # [17:42] <sonotos> think that would be flooding als hell
  6787. # [17:42] <@Garbee> lampe2, How do you make a bot funny?
  6788. # [17:42] <sonotos> especially when we perform special categorization tasks
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  6793. # [17:43] <lampe2> first of all thx Garbee and i dont know just with funny answers when stupid question comes :)
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  6799. # [17:43] <@Garbee> lampe2, Nah. It is just for utlities. Like saying @@jsfiddle in ##twitter-bootstrap it will link to a jsfiddle to be used.
  6800. # [17:43] <kitten123> Garbee why?!?!??! WHY U BAN MA ALL TIME!??!?!?
  6801. # [17:43] <kitten123> :((((
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  6803. # [17:43] <kitten123> i abuse
  6804. # [17:44] <@Garbee> kitten123, Cut the crap or I'm going to ban you outright.
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  6806. # [17:44] <lampe2> Garbee, ahhh a link bot :)
  6807. # [17:44] <@Garbee> No more warnings.
  6808. # [17:44] <Huhuhu> ggg
  6809. # [17:44] <kitten123> why?
  6810. # [17:44] <kitten123> reason?
  6811. # [17:44] <kitten123> :(
  6812. # [17:44] <@shepazu> kitten, please stop trolling
  6813. # [17:44] <kitten123> i said i will abuse on u
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  6819. # [17:45] <sonotos> lol
  6820. # [17:45] <@Garbee> Can we ban someone using the webclient?
  6821. # [17:45] <Tomato_> sonotos, it can be a little hard to see edits between all the registration.
  6822. # [17:45] <@Garbee> It looks like we can w/o affecting others...
  6823. # [17:45] <Tomato_> Figured the bot would be nice, but maybe registration will slow down soon.
  6824. # [17:45] <Grephix`dev> Garbee: nope, not really
  6825. # [17:45] <@shepazu> I'm goign to take the web client down for the day
  6826. # [17:45] <Grephix`dev> Not possible.
  6827. # [17:45] <@shepazu> until we figure out a better solution
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  6829. # [17:46] <@Garbee> shepazu, http://test.jonathangarbee.com/ --My recommendation.
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  6831. # [17:46] <asg_> hi
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  6833. # [17:46] <Sandkorn> dont /mode commands work within the web client?
  6834. # [17:46] <@Garbee> It links over to Freenodes web client if people want to use that.
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  6836. # [17:46] <yarali06> nabıyonuz gençler
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  6838. # [17:46] <kittens3211> shipasu u ll death^^
  6839. # [17:46] <kittens3211> :)
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  6845. # [17:47] <kittensmeow> MEOW!
  6846. # [17:47] <Grephix`dev> Ah good, Garbee
  6847. # [17:47] * kittensmeow was kicked by Garbee (kittensmeow)
  6848. # [17:47] <mattl_> could you make it so the channel requires you to be a registeed freenode user
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  6850. # [17:47] <Grephix`dev> The Freenodes webclient actually passes an IP address
  6851. # [17:47] <Tomato_> Poor Garbee.
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  6855. # [17:47] <@Garbee> Damn invasion of kittens!
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  6857. # [17:48] <Grephix`dev> mattl: one could
  6858. # [17:48] <@Garbee> I need to get my dog in IRC to take care fo them.
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  6860. # [17:48] <aedf> MEOW!
  6861. # [17:48] <Grephix`dev> however, many people in here never heard of IRC
  6862. # [17:48] * aedf was kicked by Garbee (aedf)
  6863. # [17:48] <Grephix`dev> Would dramatically decrease join count..
  6864. # [17:48] <@Garbee> Wack-a-troll.
  6865. # [17:48] <Grephix`dev> people not knowing how to register, etc.
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  6867. # [17:48] <arkhi> Grephix`dev: Would that be a bad thing?
  6868. # [17:49] <Grephix`dev> arkhi: not sure.
  6869. # [17:49] <@ppk_> I'd also say we're looking for less people here, not more.
  6870. # [17:49] <mdel> i dont think so... registration is easy
  6871. # [17:49] <mdel> and if you are here, and you find it helpful, you should register
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  6874. # [17:49] <Grephix`dev> however, why wudn't we use the freenode web client?
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  6877. # [17:49] <Grephix`dev> That actually passes the IP address in the hostname
  6878. # [17:49] <rggh> MEOW!
  6879. # [17:49] <YsenGrimm> hey erveryon
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  6881. # [17:49] <YsenGrimm> everyone
  6882. # [17:49] <Grephix`dev> 504f2bae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.79.43.174
  6883. # [17:49] <rggh> hi!
  6884. # [17:49] * rggh was kicked by Garbee (rggh)
  6885. # [17:49] <Grephix`dev> makes it possible to ban by IP
  6886. # [17:49] <arkhi> Keep the log publicly available, so that people can see if they're interested.
  6887. # [17:49] <arkhi> Then explain how to register.
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  6889. # [17:50] <sonotos> Grephix`dev: well just hash the ip for data protection reasons
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  6891. # [17:50] <meow_> MEOW!
  6892. # [17:50] * sdada was kicked by Garbee (sdada)
  6893. # [17:50] <sonotos> then it's ok
  6894. # [17:50] <_cheney> still think removing the web client is the best idea
  6895. # [17:50] <@Garbee> That was probably the wrong person...
  6896. # [17:50] <@ppk_> Yes
  6897. # [17:50] <Tomato_> Hahaha.
  6898. # [17:50] <Tomato_> It was.
  6899. # [17:50] <Tomato_> Lol.
  6900. # [17:50] <webnick> explaining how to register on the page where the webclient is at the moment would be the best solution i think
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  6902. # [17:51] <@Garbee> ugh, Freaking troll.
  6903. # [17:51] <sonotos> Garbee: was right to
  6904. # [17:51] <Tomato_> It's okay, I accidentally did it earlier with wax_eagles IP, it blocked someone else on accident. ):
  6905. # [17:51] <@Garbee> I think I may just +m the room until we get things figured out.
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  6907. # [17:51] <meow1> MEOW!
  6908. # [17:51] <Grephix`dev> [17:44:20] <sonotos> Grephix`dev: well just hash the ip for data protection reasons < hash the IP?
  6909. # [17:51] * meow1 was kicked by Garbee (meow1)
  6910. # [17:51] <aaa> what is this place?
  6911. # [17:51] <Grephix`dev> And how would you do that?
  6912. # [17:51] <sonotos> sha1
  6913. # [17:51] <Grephix`dev> It's the freenode webclient that passes the IP address
  6914. # [17:51] <Grephix`dev> We ourselves have no control over that
  6915. # [17:51] <mdel> why would you hash the IP
  6916. # [17:51] <wax_eagle> @Tomato_ you blocked a bunch of people :)
  6917. # [17:52] <Tomato_> They are all unblocked now!
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  6919. # [17:52] <Tomato_> I'm sorry!!
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  6921. # [17:52] <sonotos> Grephix`dev: thought we were talking about the webplatform chat
  6922. # [17:52] <wax_eagle> @Tomato_ no problemo :).
  6923. # [17:52] <Alex_______> Hello! How make bot on JavaScript?
  6924. # [17:52] <Grephix`dev> sonotos: we are
  6925. # [17:52] <_cheney> try ##javascript
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  6927. # [17:53] <aaa> ##javascript
  6928. # [17:53] <sonotos> Grephix`dev: it's hostet by webplatform.org write? should not be to hard to patch it
  6929. # [17:53] <Alex_______> its harde?
  6930. # [17:53] <sonotos> s/write/right
  6931. # [17:53] <_cheney> difficulty is relative
  6932. # [17:53] <aaa> its stupid
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  6937. # [17:54] <Alex_______> I need bot for reenter on this chat cose moderator ban me all time^^
  6938. # [17:54] <Grephix`dev> [17:47:11] <sonotos> Grephix`dev: it's hostet by webplatform.org write? should not be to hard to patch it
  6939. # [17:54] <Grephix`dev> I was suggesting to link to the freenode IRC web client
  6940. # [17:54] <Grephix`dev> which automatically passes the IP adress of the connecting user
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  6943. # [17:54] <Grephix`dev> As does every other IRC client
  6944. # [17:54] <Grephix`dev> Grephix`dev is ~Dennis@lb1.cluster.grephix.nl * Dennis
  6945. # [17:54] <Grephix`dev> passes the reverse DNS of my hostname
  6946. # [17:54] <sonotos> Grephix`dev: ah ok got it
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  6948. # [17:55] <Alex_______> MEOW!^^
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  6950. # [17:55] <Grephix`dev> As the freenode IRC web client passes the IP adress we are able to ban by IP
  6951. # [17:55] * Alex_______ was kicked by Garbee (Alex_______)
  6952. # [17:55] <Grephix`dev> Instead of just ban by nickname (which can be changed)
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  6954. # [17:55] <dsfligj> hi
  6955. # [17:56] <NotTomato> Hi dsfligj.
  6956. # [17:56] <aaa> you should ban the users network adapter directly
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  6958. # [17:56] <Grephix`dev> lol aaa
  6959. # [17:56] <Grephix`dev> if only that were possible
  6960. # [17:56] <aaa> or kill him with an electric pulse an instantly
  6961. # [17:56] <dsfligj> garbee i need help please
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  6963. # [17:57] <NotTomato> aaa, we can do that now?
  6964. # [17:57] <@shepazu> ok, disabled
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  6966. # [17:57] <@shepazu> http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/
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  6969. # [17:57] <aaa> yeah in the EU they want to force users to register with their real name only
  6970. # [17:57] <Grephix`dev> GOOD GOOD
  6971. # [17:57] <Grephix`dev> -caps
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  6973. # [17:57] <aaa> so there it is, problem solved
  6974. # [17:57] <webnick> :)
  6975. # [17:58] <dsfligj> and what problem?
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  6977. # [17:58] <dsfligj> M
  6978. # [17:58] <sonotos> aaa: well one solved million others created
  6979. # [17:58] <dsfligj> E
  6980. # [17:58] <dsfligj> O
  6981. # [17:58] <dsfligj> W
  6982. # [17:58] <dsfligj> !
  6983. # [17:58] <mdel> /whois bvasko
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  6986. # [17:58] <vldcnst> damn cats.
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  6988. # [17:59] <@Garbee> vldcnst, Not cat, just troll.
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  6991. # [17:59] <Sandkorn> bye folks.
  6992. # [17:59] <Grephix`dev> Garbee: as the chat is disabled, why not completely ban web chatclients now?
  6993. # [17:59] <bvasko> yes?
  6994. # [17:59] <hk_> hi friends!
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  6996. # [17:59] <NotTomato> Hi hk_.
  6997. # [17:59] <mdel> cats are evolving into trolls. because of all the gifs.
  6998. # [17:59] <hk_> i need develoeprs for our open project please
  6999. # [18:00] <@Garbee> Grephix`dev, Because there are some real people using it. I will look into it real quick though in case that one troll comes back again.
  7000. # [18:00] <aaa> here is my idea: bad users by their OS/browser client id
  7001. # [18:00] <hk_> Garbee i not troll
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  7003. # [18:00] <hk_> hey?!?!
  7004. # [18:00] * hk_ was kicked by Garbee (hk_)
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  7006. # [18:00] <aaa> so lets say when some guy from an apple iOS is trolling
  7007. # [18:00] <Grephix`dev> aaa: which is not possible
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  7010. # [18:01] <aaa> let other apple users being kicked too
  7011. # [18:01] * Garbee sets mode: +b *!*@gateway/web/qwebirc/webplatform.org/*
  7012. # [18:01] <NotTomato> Another solution might be to make the channel voice only, and ask users to PM you for voice if they need to talk. At leasst.. until the traffic calms down, obviously not constantly.
  7013. # [18:01] <NotTomato> least*
  7014. # [18:01] <@Garbee> That should handle anyone new coming in.
  7015. # [18:01] <mdel> i think all of these half-measures are pointless. ban webchat, real people who want to participate can use a client and register with freenode
  7016. # [18:01] <@Garbee> People already connected get to stay.
  7017. # [18:01] <Ordona> Either voiced or they mut have a registered name
  7018. # [18:01] <miketaylr> "Sorry guys, no progress was made on the platform this year--still figuring out how to deal with trolls from irc."
  7019. # [18:01] <Ordona> must*
  7020. # [18:01] <@Garbee> mdel, We have for the time being.
  7021. # [18:02] <@Garbee> We completely took it down.
  7022. # [18:02] <sonotos> miketaylr: rofl
  7023. # [18:02] <mdel> miketaylr: lol this
  7024. # [18:02] <@Garbee> and by we I mean shepazu.
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  7026. # [18:02] <mdel> Garbee: all webchat, or just the one on the site?
  7027. # [18:02] <andrewjbaker> miketaylr, exactly.
  7028. # [18:02] <NotTomato> shh, miketaylr!!
  7029. # [18:02] <@shepazu> I have disabled the webchat for now… let's revisit the trolling problem when it arises
  7030. # [18:02] <NotTomato> don't tell them.
  7031. # [18:02] * miketaylr hushes
  7032. # [18:02] <@Garbee> mdel, We blocked the problem one, which was the one from webplatform.org/chat
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  7034. # [18:03] <@shepazu> other trols we can deal with by banning them based on IP
  7035. # [18:03] <mdel> yeah I saw, I just assumed persistent trolls would find other means
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  7037. # [18:03] <@Garbee> Great, the troll is pming me now.
  7038. # [18:03] <NotTomato> Hahaha.
  7039. # [18:03] <Ordona> That's why /ignore exists
  7040. # [18:03] <mdel> ^
  7041. # [18:03] <@Garbee> Unless that is the user I accidentally kicked earlier thinking it was the troll...
  7042. # [18:03] <@ppk_> Does it say meow?
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  7044. # [18:04] <@shepazu> ok, at some point, talking about trolls is trolling...
  7045. # [18:04] <@Garbee> No, it is defending kitten, which is good enough for me to kick from here.
  7046. # [18:04] * sdfa was kicked by Garbee (sdfa)
  7047. # [18:04] <@Garbee> Ok, troll talk done.
  7048. # [18:04] <@Garbee> It should all be handled now.
  7049. # [18:04] <mdel> anyone ever have those trolls with the gems in their stomach
  7050. # [18:04] <mdel> as a kid, of course
  7051. # [18:04] <@shepazu> mdel: please.
  7052. # [18:05] <mdel> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2220/2392237019_01cecd96f8.jpg
  7053. # [18:05] <@shepazu> let's get back to discussions of web dev and the site
  7054. # [18:05] <mdel> those things. I always picture them when discussing annoying users on IRC
  7055. # [18:05] <mdel> but yes, agreed :)
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  7058. # [18:05] <@ppk_> Maybe a short status report?
  7059. # [18:05] <@ppk_> Edits committed, quality of those edits, that sort of thing?
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  7061. # [18:06] <eternicode> -_- this auto-logout bug ended with me posting an answer as anonymous, with no option to claim it afterwards.
  7062. # [18:06] <@shepazu> eternicode: have you filed a bug?
  7063. # [18:06] <eternicode> shepazu, I believe it's a known bug.
  7064. # [18:07] <@shepazu> eternicode: a forum bug?
  7065. # [18:07] <eternicode> yeah
  7066. # [18:07] <@shepazu> eternicode: can you please comment on the bug with that particular problem (reclaiming answers?)
  7067. # [18:07] <@shepazu> we'll try to solve it as soon as we can
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  7072. # [18:08] <eternicode> if I can find the bug, sure. (If not, I'll submit it afresh with the comment)
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  7074. # [18:08] * webnick is away from keyboard now.
  7075. # [18:08] <@shepazu> thanks, eternicode
  7076. # [18:09] <vldcnst> webnick: we really care.
  7077. # [18:10] <webnick> thats why i wrote this. lol
  7078. # [18:10] <arkhi> Good night all...
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  7088. # [18:15] <NotTomato> shepazu, your filter is catching comments you make. :x How does the spam filter work?
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  7090. # [18:16] <@shepazu> NotTomato: sorry, busy right now
  7091. # [18:16] <NotTomato> Okay no problem.
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  7100. # [18:27] <@shepazu> Garbee: I like the wording you used for the chat page… may I use that?
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  7108. # [18:35] <@Garbee> shepazu, Go right ahead.
  7109. # [18:35] <@Garbee> I made that as an example page to give to you guys to replace the one with just a chat window.
  7110. # [18:36] <@Garbee> I did tl;dr first since that is all most people will need. Anyone who doesn't get it can read the fluff on the rest of the page.
  7111. # [18:37] <@shepazu> thanks, Garbee
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  7119. # [18:44] <NotTomato> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges the wiki is being attacked by a vandal, trying to get the abusefilters to block him so I don't have to keep watching.
  7120. # [18:44] <NotTomato> If anyone else is good with abusefilters.
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  7122. # [18:46] <Serrata> i'm assuming the page is still safe if I follow that link
  7123. # [18:46] * Serrata clicks
  7124. # [18:46] <Serrata> oh god, thats was the changes link, nevermind I'm not on the ball
  7125. # [18:48] <NotTomato> Hahaha.
  7126. # [18:48] <Serrata> I reserve the right to be stupid as long as I'm not making changes
  7127. # [18:49] <NotTomato> It's no big deal, wikis take time to get used to. My first time encountering a wiki was pretty bad.
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  7129. # [18:49] <Serrata> i'm not used to reading a :whatever at the end of a url
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  7132. # [18:50] <Jayflux> paul_irish how do you go about using boilerplate with bootstrap, do you use that initiator? (or w/e its called)
  7133. # [18:50] <BRampersad> Hello guys
  7134. # [18:50] <@paul_irish> initializr
  7135. # [18:51] <@paul_irish> yes
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  7137. # [18:51] <@paul_irish> there is also kickstrap which seems nice
  7138. # [18:51] * @Garbee prefers initializr
  7139. # [18:52] <_cheney> so initalizr merges bootstrap css and boilerplate html?
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  7141. # [18:52] <BRampersad> Anyone here uses bootstrap?
  7142. # [18:52] <BRampersad> or foundation.
  7143. # [18:52] * @Garbee uses Bootstrap.
  7144. # [18:52] <_cheney> i'm using bootstrap
  7145. # [18:53] <@Garbee> I also mod ##twitter-bootstrap, so if you have any questions relating directly to that you can hop in there.
  7146. # [18:53] <@Garbee> I know a few devs who like Foundation. I actually know one that is trying to merge Bootstrap and Foundation into one super-framework.
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  7148. # [18:54] <_cheney> so many front-end tools popping up, hard to keep track
  7149. # [18:55] <_cheney> not to mention the js frameworks
  7150. # [18:55] <BRampersad> Yikes. that sounds big
  7151. # [18:55] <mdel> i've been working with bootstrap a lot
  7152. # [18:56] <mdel> the featureset is great, I wish it was 1) SASS based and 2) semantic grid
  7153. # [18:56] <_cheney> foundation is sass based
  7154. # [18:57] <_cheney> there's this http://thesassway.com/projects/sass-twitter-bootstrap
  7155. # [18:57] <Nick_Zaccardi> Foundation is nice, but Bootstrap takes the W for quantity
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  7157. # [18:57] <_cheney> doesn't seem updated though
  7158. # [18:57] <mdel> yes, I do use the sass port
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  7161. # [18:57] <BRampersad> What are some of your favorite websites to help with webdev?
  7162. # [18:57] <BRampersad> Like kuler etc
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  7164. # [18:59] <mdel> I want something like bootstrap that allows separate between components and layout
  7165. # [18:59] <@Garbee> I tend to see SASS ports of Bootstrap having issues.
  7166. # [18:59] <@Garbee> Then people come into ##tw-bs to complain about it. :/
  7167. # [18:59] <mdel> i want something pluggable - I want to be able to drop in my own grid system, add jQuery UI for modals, etc
  7168. # [18:59] <@paul_irish> hey mdel
  7169. # [19:00] <mdel> hay there
  7170. # [19:00] <michael_> last week i was think about why dont use 2 css files one for layout and one just for style and at the next project i think i will try it
  7171. # [19:00] <@Garbee> mdel, You may want to bring that kind of functionality up in the Bootstrap issue tracker to start a discussion for it.
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  7173. # [19:01] <mdel> Garbee: I don't see the bootstrap project moving away from LESS any time soon
  7174. # [19:01] <@Garbee> mdel, Yea, they won't.
  7175. # [19:02] <@Garbee> I like that part because I can drop the less files on my server and pick just the ones I need. From there add a custom less file to make changes and boom. Automatic CSS generation on any update from there on out.
  7176. # [19:02] <@Garbee> But I think what you want requires a bit more flexibility than just that.
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  7178. # [19:02] <@Garbee> paul_irish, How is your throat today?
  7179. # [19:03] <@paul_irish> bad
  7180. # [19:03] <@paul_irish> going to doctors now
  7181. # [19:03] <mdel> :(
  7182. # [19:03] <@Garbee> Throat removal, that is going to be a pain.
  7183. # [19:03] <NotTomato> paul_irish, is your nose runny? I got sick last week with a sore throat too and so did most of my town apparently.
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  7185. # [19:04] <NotTomato> It was just amazing because everyone I knew got the same sickness.
  7186. # [19:04] <NotTomato> Even if I wasn't visiting them.
  7187. # [19:04] <@Garbee> must refrain from bad joke...
  7188. # [19:04] <NotTomato> Something weird going around.
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  7190. # [19:04] <NotTomato> Shh Garbee!!
  7191. # [19:04] <mdel> lol
  7192. # [19:06] <mdel> imagine bootstrap, built on compass
  7193. # [19:06] <mdel> susy for semantic grids
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  7195. # [19:06] <mdel> jQuery UI for modals and other interactive jawns
  7196. # [19:07] <@Garbee> I honestly didn't like jQuery UI until just about a week or so ago.
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  7198. # [19:09] <lampe2> i must work right now with jquery mobile and what strange it dont has vertical sliders :D
  7199. # [19:09] <@Garbee> jquery mobile?
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  7202. # [19:09] <@Garbee> hmm... Haven't seen this before.
  7203. # [19:09] <klaus-br> Hello guys
  7204. # [19:10] <NotTomato> Hi klaus-br.
  7205. # [19:10] <lampe2> Garbee, it is for tablets and phones. its really nice for simple uis
  7206. # [19:10] <mdel> i find jQuery mobile too "overbearing" in how it forces you to do things
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  7208. # [19:11] <mdel> i havent used it in a while though
  7209. # [19:11] <@Garbee> Yea, I'm seeing that now. I haven't built anything specifically for those device types yet so I will keep an eye on this in case I need it in the future.
  7210. # [19:11] <klaus-br> I need one small help. You recommend specif Jquery Framework to developer Games?
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  7213. # [19:12] <lampe2> mdel, yes sometimes it is to much what it does but i got used to it
  7214. # [19:12] <mdel> klaus-br: three.js has gotten a lot of attention lately for 3D capabilities
  7215. # [19:12] <klaus-br> Good
  7216. # [19:12] <@Garbee> klaus-br, I just found this, haven't used it though so can't speak to it: http://gamequeryjs.com/
  7217. # [19:12] <mdel> klaus-br: not jQuery-based though
  7218. # [19:12] <klaus-br> Ok, no problems
  7219. # [19:13] <klaus-br> Thank you for the responses
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  7221. # [19:13] <klaus-br> Go to code and come back to notices. See later!
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  7223. # [19:13] <lampe2> klaus-br, if yoi want 3d and jquery code styling try http://jeromeetienne.github.com/tquery/
  7224. # [19:14] <thock> return this does not a pattern make
  7225. # [19:14] <klaus-br> Ok
  7226. # [19:14] <justinBeaudry> klaus-br: Google Maple.js as well.
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  7228. # [19:15] <klaus-br> I Good. I analise in the past this project (Google Maple)...
  7229. # [19:16] <lampe2> i never understood why node.js is so cool :D
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  7232. # [19:16] <klaus-br> I like soo much the site of tquery API
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  7237. # [19:16] <justinBeaudry> klaus-br, if you do find any good game server API's would mind pm'ing me them?
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  7239. # [19:17] <klaus-br> Yes justin
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  7244. # [19:17] <klaus-br> The tquery need WebGl
  7245. # [19:17] <klaus-br> :(
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  7247. # [19:18] <@Garbee> Ok, can anyone explain what WebGL is supposed to be in like two sentences?
  7248. # [19:18] <@Garbee> I have seen it and tried to read about what it does but I just still haven't had it click.
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  7257. # [19:20] <lampe2> Garbee, WebGL is OpenGL for browsers. so it is a 3D engine for browsers if you want so
  7258. # [19:20] <@Garbee> lampe2, Ok, That makes sense to me knowing what OpenGL is.
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  7260. # [19:20] <lampe2> Garbee, so that you can render 3d objects with your graphicscard not the cpu
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  7262. # [19:21] <lampe2> on the low level it is a api for your GPU
  7263. # [19:21] <klaus-br> lampe2 good explanation
  7264. # [19:21] <@Garbee> So why is it bad that tquery needs WebGL?
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  7266. # [19:22] <@Garbee> That sounds like a great thing.
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  7268. # [19:22] <lampe2> Garbee, it isent bad. the problem is the support of the browsers is not very good right now
  7269. # [19:22] <webnick> i think because webGL is not supported in all browsers, isn't it?
  7270. # [19:22] <klaus-br> Garbee, it is not good for me only
  7271. # [19:22] <@Garbee> Ah, support ofc.
  7272. # [19:22] <lampe2> in chrome you must force it to use it on linux :)
  7273. # [19:23] <@Garbee> Wouldn't the GPU also need to support this though?
  7274. # [19:23] <klaus-br> My pc isn't new
  7275. # [19:23] <@Garbee> Or does the browser become the interlayer to the GPU?
  7276. # [19:23] <lampe2> Garbee, every gpu can opengl since 199X :)
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  7278. # [19:24] <klaus-br> Garbee, in the firefox, that not show the examples
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  7280. # [19:24] <@Garbee> lampe2, Oh perfect. So then the only systems not supported we don't even want on the internets anymore.
  7281. # [19:24] <webnick> yes, the gpu has to support it, but see lampe2 's anwser
  7282. # [19:24] <klaus-br> but in the google chrome it execute normal
  7283. # [19:25] <@Garbee> Sweet thanks for that info guys. I have heard that being talked about and just never really got it. Then again I'm not a JS person, I quite honestly hate JS (personal stuff, not as tech since that is actually pretty great.)
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  7285. # [19:25] <webnick> google chrome was the first browser to support it i think, don't know if ff supports webGL in the final version right now
  7286. # [19:25] <lampe2> Garbee, i hate plain JS to but coffeescript and jquery are really great !
  7287. # [19:25] <tsingh> and this is just for my own info, do ios/android do any webgl support
  7288. # [19:26] <@Garbee> lampe2, I *always* use jquery if possible. But I hate writing things even in that. I find plugins and let people tell me how to call stuff.
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  7290. # [19:26] <lampe2> can i use webgl >>>> http://caniuse.com/webgl
  7291. # [19:26] <_cheney> raw javascript skills are becoming more important then ever
  7292. # [19:26] <lampe2> haha Garbee i do it so too :) but sometimes there are no plugins
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  7294. # [19:26] <_cheney> tons of jobs wanting it
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  7296. # [19:27] <@Garbee> And when there are no plugins, I tend to rethink what I'm doing.
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  7298. # [19:27] <@Garbee> Unless I *really* need it which hasn't happened yet. But I guess when it does one day that will force me to actually learn some jquery.
  7299. # [19:27] <tsingh> thanks, for the link
  7300. # [19:27] <lampe2> its funny blackberry can do webgl :D
  7301. # [19:27] <webnick> so its partially supported in ff and fully supported in ff mobile, interesting.
  7302. # [19:28] <Jayflux> WHat happened to the RoR hype, I don't hear much of it now.
  7303. # [19:28] <Grephix`dev> sup
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  7306. # [19:28] <_cheney> it's all about nodejs these days
  7307. # [19:28] <lampe2> Jayflux, iam a RoR guy :)
  7308. # [19:28] <Jayflux> haha really _cheney
  7309. # [19:28] <plamoni> _cheney +1
  7310. # [19:28] <Jayflux> lampe2 happy with it
  7311. # [19:28] <Jayflux> ?
  7312. # [19:28] <PatrickE> I never really got the hang of node.js
  7313. # [19:28] <tsingh> I like RoR. but have not been at a place that uses it any more
  7314. # [19:29] <PatrickE> Is it javascript serverside?
  7315. # [19:29] <lampe2> Jayflux, yes ! if i must do php now i would cry :)
  7316. # [19:29] <_cheney> i don't grasp node either but i'm really trying D:
  7317. # [19:29] <webnick> nodejs is serverside, normal js is clientside
  7318. # [19:29] <_cheney> yes js on the server
  7319. # [19:29] <Jayflux> tsingh same, im starting to think it was all just hype
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  7321. # [19:29] <_cheney> running in chromes V8 js engine
  7322. # [19:29] <PatrickE> What's the win with it?
  7323. # [19:29] <tsingh> node.js. is javascript like but can do the sockets and push to client stuff
  7324. # [19:30] <Jayflux> any django heads in here while im on the topic?
  7325. # [19:30] <plamoni> node.js: it lets frontend developers get backend development jobs!
  7326. # [19:30] <Jayflux> may aswell include everyone
  7327. # [19:30] <tsingh> like a long running script can push status using the open stocket
  7328. # [19:30] <PatrickE> that's a good argument
  7329. # [19:30] <tsingh> not haveing to make polling requests
  7330. # [19:30] <justinBeaudry> plamoni: +1. I'm living example. :)
  7331. # [19:30] <_cheney> the intro paragraph here gives you an idea http://nodejs.org/
  7332. # [19:30] <eternicode> Jayflux, django here.
  7333. # [19:30] <PatrickE> that's sound nice though
  7334. # [19:30] <Jayflux> eternicode ive been playing/learning it. I really enjoy it actually
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  7339. # [19:31] <eternicode> cool.
  7340. # [19:31] <PatrickE> But then you would need a hosting supporting node.js?
  7341. # [19:31] <Jayflux> _cheney isn't it single threaded?
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  7343. # [19:31] <plamoni> PatrickE: heroku.com
  7344. # [19:31] <eternicode> taking advantage of the docs, I hope? ;)
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  7346. # [19:31] <_cheney> yeah it is Jayflux
  7347. # [19:31] <Jayflux> _cheney whats with that?
  7348. # [19:31] <tsingh> i think nodejs has a high learning curve. and if i had not done a lot of js work back before the libs it would worse.. at least i imagine
  7349. # [19:31] <_cheney> i'm unsure :\
  7350. # [19:32] <_cheney> there's also nodejitsu.com for hosting
  7351. # [19:32] <PatrickE> plamoni: Thanks! Looks awesome, might try it :)
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  7353. # [19:32] <milani> tsingh, it is actually js callbacks and prototypes which make it a little difficult for beginners
  7354. # [19:33] <Jayflux> eternicode do you use it for work? or just a messing about thing/yourself
  7355. # [19:33] <lampe2> sry but iam a ruby guy and i like good looking code and when i see js i just scream inside the samething with java code :D
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  7357. # [19:33] <_cheney> there's always things like coffeescript
  7358. # [19:34] <eternicode> Jayflux, work. One client uses it as a frontend for users to manage their cloud hosting stack, another uses OSQA for their support site.
  7359. # [19:34] <eternicode> Jayflux, but also fun :)
  7360. # [19:34] <milani> lampe2, it is just developers! you can write clean code with js and dirty code with ruby!
  7361. # [19:34] <lampe2> _cheney, yes ! and i thank the coffeescript guys every day
  7362. # [19:34] <eternicode> " iam a ruby guy and i like good looking code" I'm a python guy and I like readable code :D
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  7364. # [19:35] <_cheney> read JavaScript: The Good Parts
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  7368. # [19:35] <_cheney> it's like a style guide
  7369. # [19:35] <lampe2> milani, yes
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  7371. # [19:35] <Jayflux> I have to agree with eternicode python is very readable lampe2
  7372. # [19:35] <sandroid> weehh, server upgrade from lenny to squeezy finally done
  7373. # [19:36] <lampe2> eternicode, __something__ is this really good readable ? but i dont wanne start her a ruby vs python cat fight ;)
  7374. # [19:36] <milani> anyway, I think #webplatform is about frontend
  7375. # [19:36] <milani> ;)
  7376. # [19:36] <eternicode> lampe2, picking underunders as your straw man, eh?
  7377. # [19:36] <milani> so you are left with js alone :))
  7378. # [19:36] <@Garbee> milani, Yes it is.
  7379. # [19:36] <lampe2> :D
  7380. # [19:37] <eternicode> lampe2, how about all that "optional" punctuation in ruby? ;)
  7381. # [19:37] <Jayflux> lampe2 its mainly magic methods that have them afaik
  7382. # [19:37] <Jayflux> in otherwords, the built in stuff
  7383. # [19:37] <lampe2> eternicode, thats freedom haha
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  7385. # [19:37] <lampe2> okay guys lets stop ! ruby is great python is great !
  7386. # [19:37] <eternicode> lampe2 yeah because everyone needs optional punctuation right
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  7388. # [19:38] <lampe2> eternicode, i dont like ";"
  7389. # [19:38] <eternicode> lampe2, agreed, both are tools, just a matter of preference which is used ;)
  7390. # [19:38] <eternicode> lampe2, python doesn't use semicolons -- in fact, linters highlight it when you do D:
  7391. # [19:39] <lampe2> eternicode, yes, i really like django !
  7392. # [19:39] <Jayflux> yeah was gonna say, not sure where he's getting ';' from but it aint python
  7393. # [19:39] <eternicode> javascript, probably
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  7396. # [19:39] <lampe2> the ";" comes from my love(ironie) to Java :)
  7397. # [19:40] <eternicode> I tried to understand ruby/rails once, long ago. It had too much magic for my taste. "Explicit is better than implicit", as the pythonistas say.
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  7401. # [19:40] <lampe2> when i ever and i mean EVER have to write a documentstreamreader thingy i will jump out the window !
  7402. # [19:41] <eternicode> hehe
  7403. # [19:41] <lampe2> eternicode, the problem is most people start wrong! they dont start with ruby and then go to ror :)
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  7405. # [19:41] <@Garbee> lampe2, I hope it is only from a 3rd story or lower. I would hate for you to become a pancake.
  7406. # [19:41] <@Garbee> Or is it second story...
  7407. # [19:41] <Jayflux> thats cause of the boom of RoR and the inpatience of humans lampe2
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  7409. # [19:42] <eternicode> lampe2, maybe. Fortunately, I was the frontend dev for that project, didn't *have* to mess with the ruby much. Afterwards I tried going through some ruby tutorials. Still didn't like what I saw.
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  7411. # [19:42] <plamoni> thought folks would appreciate this: Standards compliance, for the win: http://flic.kr/p/divXsk
  7412. # [19:42] <lampe2> Garbee, i was working on a java webstart project.... a bad one ... and omg how i hate java now ...
  7413. # [19:42] <eternicode> Of course, I was already knee-deep in python at the time.
  7414. # [19:43] <lampe2> eternicode, my first language was ruby! i learnd for one year ruby only :)
  7415. # [19:43] <eternicode> lampe2, My first language was PHP ;D
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  7417. # [19:43] <plamoni> My first language was ABASIC --- i don't know why we don't use that anymore...
  7418. # [19:44] <lampe2> eternicode, your poor little guy :D
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  7420. # [19:44] <sandroid> my first language was qbasic and then some obscure thing for the comodore amiga
  7421. # [19:44] <tsingh> ohhh dear.. this topic is scary
  7422. # [19:44] <eternicode> lampe2, I know :) I steer far clear of PHP jobs these days.
  7423. # [19:44] <eternicode> <3 Python
  7424. # [19:44] <Jayflux> eternicode PHP here too
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  7426. # [19:44] <lampe2> can someone make a song about all the Basic language
  7427. # [19:44] <sandroid> it would be short since it would goto 10 :P
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  7429. # [19:45] <eternicode> sandroid, 10 stanzas, that's not exactly a short song...
  7430. # [19:45] <lampe2> ehh
  7431. # [19:45] <eternicode> (my jargon may be off...)
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  7433. # [19:45] <lampe2> srz to post this in german but her is a list: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Programmiersprache_Basic
  7434. # [19:46] <lampe2> i see more then ten
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  7436. # [19:46] * plamoni sings 10 BASIC, oh BASIC, where did you goto? 20 BASIC, oh BASIC, how I miss you! 30 BASIC, oh BASIC, you were the first language I ever INPUT; 40 BASIC, oh BASIC, I'm glad you're kaput! ... goto 10.
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  7438. # [19:46] <lampe2> lol
  7439. # [19:46] <eternicode> haha
  7440. # [19:46] <tsingh> nice!
  7441. # [19:46] <tsingh> hehe
  7442. # [19:47] <lampe2> 10 == 2
  7443. # [19:47] <Jayflux> true
  7444. # [19:47] <sandroid> :P
  7445. # [19:47] <fr0zenice> btw, basic programmers don't die, they just GOSUB and don't RETURN
  7446. # [19:47] <sandroid> oh my amos basic :) that would be the obscure amiga one then :)
  7447. # [19:47] <milani> :))
  7448. # [19:47] <fr0zenice> basic as a first here too, on a small learning computer when I was 7ish
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  7450. # [19:48] <fr0zenice> it could save 5 listings :o
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  7452. # [19:48] <lampe2> my first computer was one with norton commander as "os" :D
  7453. # [19:48] <plamoni> i totally learned on an Apple IIc, but we didn't know how to save programs to a floppy (because I was like 7 at the time), so every time you restarted the computer, you lost whatever you'd programmed… :-(
  7454. # [19:48] <sandroid> c64 breadbox :)
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  7456. # [19:49] <milani> fr0zenice, u r abt 25 now. right?
  7457. # [19:49] <fr0zenice> yeah
  7458. # [19:49] <milani> ;)
  7459. # [19:49] <fr0zenice> exactly even :P
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  7464. # [19:50] <fr0zenice> I noticed many wiki articles had syntax errors (loose braces and such), wonder if I should fix them when I see them or leave them, because the article will be edited several times anyway...
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  7466. # [19:51] <@Garbee> fr0zenice, If you feel like taking the time, please go in and make the edit real fast.
  7467. # [19:51] <eternicode> fr0zenice, if you don't fix them... who will? D:
  7468. # [19:51] <fr0zenice> I see... :P
  7469. # [19:51] <@Garbee> Every little edit helps, especially with imported material like that.
  7470. # [19:52] <fr0zenice> yeah, some bits are really messed up
  7471. # [19:53] <fr0zenice> first http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:Random hit aaaand error.
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  7473. # [19:54] <fr0zenice> should bookmark the random specialpage
  7474. # [19:54] <plamoni> so i have a question…. some material seems to be direct-copied from WikiPedia (e.g. http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/programming/javascript/history )…. but doesn't CC BY require that those articles be attributed to wikipedia? Or is my "i'm not a lawyer" showing?
  7475. # [19:55] <eternicode> oh, speaking of the wiki -- there are currently at least three articles on /html/attributes/bgcolor with similar content (and same story on several other attributes, too). I looked at combining them yesterday, but quickly got overwhelmed (I'm *not* a wiki editor...). Any recommendations? Reading, etc.
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  7477. # [19:56] <_cheney> i'd flag it or cc the content
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  7479. # [19:57] <fr0zenice> there seems to be some info here: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:External_Attribution
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  7491. # [20:06] <leaverou> we're on HTML5 weekly http://html5weekly.com/archive/58.html :)
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  7493. # [20:06] <plamoni> _cheney: so, in the case of the History of JS page, clicking "edit" brings up a warning saying, "This page already exists, but it does not use this form.", I'm not sure if using the flagging tools in there would overwrite the whole page or not
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  7496. # [20:06] <plamoni> is there a proper technique for flagging such pages?
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  7499. # [20:08] <fr0zenice> there's a checkbox at the bottom of the editing form "Is under CC-BY-SA license"
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  7501. # [20:09] <fr0zenice> or the div with the special class (see WPD:External_Attribution link)
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  7503. # [20:09] <plamoni> yeah, i saw that WPD thing
  7504. # [20:10] <plamoni> but wikipedia isn't listed
  7505. # [20:10] <plamoni> so we can't use the special div for that
  7506. # [20:10] <plamoni> and i don't see the checkbox you're referring to
  7507. # [20:10] <plamoni> sorry, i'm a bit of a wiki-n00b
  7508. # [20:11] <@Garbee> plamoni, I have edited in a few wiki systems, and this one with its customizations throws me off.
  7509. # [20:12] <fr0zenice> so many fields ^^
  7510. # [20:12] <@Garbee> I can't really help though since I'm still drafting an outline of things I'm going to add. :/
  7511. # [20:12] <fr0zenice> I mean the checkbox at the very bottom of http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=concepts/programming/javascript/history&action=formedit
  7512. # [20:13] <plamoni> fr0zenice: yeah, i see that, but i'm concerned about the warning at the top
  7513. # [20:13] <plamoni> if i save using that form, will it just full-out replace the whole page?
  7514. # [20:13] <fr0zenice> yeah seems the page must be converted first
  7515. # [20:13] <fr0zenice> but also the WPD guide states: An article should have the CC-BY-SA configuration box checked in the "Edit with Form" page if and only if there are some <div class='license-cc-by-sa'> blocks in the article.
  7516. # [20:13] <fr0zenice> and Only sites in the canonical list of external attribution sites may have CC-BY-SA content ported over.
  7517. # [20:13] <@Garbee> plamoni, Honestly, I'd say do it because we can always revert the changes. and if we can't the system is broken.
  7518. # [20:13] <fr0zenice> so... yeah
  7519. # [20:14] <plamoni> Garbee: okay, will give it a try
  7520. # [20:14] <fr0zenice> how I read it is, copying from wiki is not allowed
  7521. # [20:14] <fr0zenice> (*wikipedia)
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  7523. # [20:15] <@Garbee> fr0zenice, Wikipedia uses CC-BY-SA 3.0. I don't see any reason we couldn't get content from there.
  7524. # [20:16] <fr0zenice> what about "Only sites in the canonical list of external attribution sites may have CC-BY-SA content ported over."?
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  7527. # [20:16] <@Garbee> fr0zenice, Can you link me that list please?
  7528. # [20:16] <fr0zenice> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:External_Attribution#Dealing_with_CC-BY-SA_content
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  7531. # [20:17] <@Garbee> There is no list though...
  7532. # [20:17] <fr0zenice> scroll up :P
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  7534. # [20:18] <plamoni> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Property:External_Attribution_Source
  7535. # [20:18] <@Garbee> ah.
  7536. # [20:18] <_cheney> edit it, add more :P
  7537. # [20:18] <plamoni> don't have permission :-)
  7538. # [20:18] <@Garbee> Well, "and some others" could fill it in.
  7539. # [20:18] <plamoni> must be protected :-)
  7540. # [20:18] <_cheney> doh
  7541. # [20:18] <fr0zenice> nope Garbee, plamoni linked the full list
  7542. # [20:18] <@Garbee> I'm going to pull content in from Google's Dev Network, that is CC-BY-SA.
  7543. # [20:19] <@Garbee> Yea, I see the list now, and it isn't really "full" since there is "and some others" in there.
  7544. # [20:19] <plamoni> the properties page should be a complete list, though
  7545. # [20:19] <fr0zenice> nah, the Property: link
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  7547. # [20:20] <plamoni> so we need an admin to add wikipedia to that, unless there's a reason not to
  7548. # [20:20] <@Garbee> ah, just DevOpera added.
  7549. # [20:20] * @Garbee sighs.
  7550. # [20:20] <@Garbee> I think that is a stupid setup.
  7551. # [20:21] <fr0zenice> dunno, I can understand the "not wanting to deal with multiple licenses" part
  7552. # [20:21] <@Garbee> No, I get that fully.
  7553. # [20:21] <@Garbee> Just the way they display this list.
  7554. # [20:21] <@Garbee> I will write up my thoughts and shoot it into the mailing list.
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  7556. # [20:21] <@Garbee> Well, later. I'm too lazy to do it right now.
  7557. # [20:22] <fr0zenice> that seems to be the way of the customizations, that Property: fills the checkboxes for "Sources:" at the bottom of the edit form
  7558. # [20:22] <plamoni> Garbee: is there a public mailing list?
  7559. # [20:22] <@Garbee> plamoni, Yea let me get the link for you.
  7560. # [20:22] <fr0zenice> wondering that as well now :P
  7561. # [20:22] <plamoni> cool, tha nks
  7562. # [20:22] <plamoni> thanks*
  7563. # [20:23] <@Garbee> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/
  7564. # [20:23] <fr0zenice> thx
  7565. # [20:23] <@Garbee> Have fun subscribing.
  7566. # [20:24] <@Garbee> ^^sarcasm in case you missed it.
  7567. # [20:26] <fr0zenice> nothing special ^^
  7568. # [20:27] <lampe2> test
  7569. # [20:27] <fr0zenice> success!
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  7572. # [20:30] <@shepazu> hi, folks, any emergencies I need to deal with?
  7573. # [20:30] <mdel> all quiet for now
  7574. # [20:31] <@shepazu> mdel: thanks :)
  7575. # [20:31] <mdel> im out of green tea :(
  7576. # [20:32] <@Garbee> shepazu, None that I know of. But *THANK YOU* for taking the webchat down. :D
  7577. # [20:32] <lampe2> my internet connection is messing with me....
  7578. # [20:32] <odinho> That helped a lot. Much nicer to read the channel now.
  7579. # [20:33] <@Garbee> So, any thoughts on this: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cmlYgFpNCZIY4EMbyIDvJZpjyYonMjWw-HeXgvN50TY/edit
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  7581. # [20:34] <@Garbee> shepazu, You thoughts on the structure would be greatly appreciated ^^
  7582. # [20:34] <@Garbee> your*
  7583. # [20:35] <_cheney> great idea
  7584. # [20:35] <_cheney> i'd love to read that "scripts" section to learn about breakpoints
  7585. # [20:36] <@Garbee> You can now: https://developers.google.com/chrome-developer-tools/docs/scripts-breakpoints
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  7587. # [20:36] <_cheney> awesome, thank you
  7588. # [20:37] <_cheney> are you just going to mirror the content over?
  7589. # [20:37] <@Garbee> Yea, I'm just going to basically import that with some self-taken screenshots and let that be the base to start with.
  7590. # [20:37] <@Garbee> I don't want to copy their screenshots or other materials like that.
  7591. # [20:38] <@Garbee> But, the text is fine to copy.
  7592. # [20:38] <_cheney> could start with brief summaries and a link to the chrome dev site
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  7594. # [20:39] <_cheney> just to get a skeleton of it going
  7595. # [20:39] <@Garbee> Well, I'm planning a basic rush import. So I'm going to wait about 3 or 4 days and try to get feedback on the structure, and then when I go to import I will do it as one big swath.
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  7598. # [20:39] <_cheney> that sounds much faster
  7599. # [20:40] <@Garbee> Yea, I'm a quick importer. I just want to see what others think of the structure and setup and give input if they think something is better.
  7600. # [20:40] <@Garbee> That way I don't go setting it all up just to realize later I really messed up the structure somehow and need to go in and move things or do whatever.
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  7602. # [20:41] <_cheney> makes sense
  7603. # [20:41] <@shepazu> Garbee: do we know we have permission to copy that article?
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  7605. # [20:41] <@Garbee> shepazu, It is CC-BY-SA and Paul said we would be good to do it last night.
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  7607. # [20:42] <@shepazu> Garbee: we are really trying hard to avoid importing CC-BY-SA content
  7608. # [20:42] <@Garbee> I'm not copying images since that is Google material iirc.
  7609. # [20:42] <@shepazu> if that's something that Google owns, then let's get formal approval from them to import it, so we don't have to use that license
  7610. # [20:43] <@Garbee> Why are you trying not to import that type of content?
  7611. # [20:43] <@shepazu> Garbee: it's no the type of content, it's the license
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  7613. # [20:44] <@shepazu> CC-BY-SA is viral, it harms reusability, and it means we have to maintain more (and more confusing) license info
  7614. # [20:44] <@Garbee> Alright, well I will talk with Paul later then and see if he could work on getting the permission needed. If he can't, then we will just write it all ourselves.
  7615. # [20:44] <@shepazu> thanks, Garbee
  7616. # [20:44] <@shepazu> maybe file a bug, or note it on the public list
  7617. # [20:44] <@Garbee> Np. I'm all for reducing complexity.
  7618. # [20:44] <@Garbee> Especially on license information.
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  7623. # [20:46] <@Garbee> Oh, it isn't even SA it seems. It is only CC-BY. But I don't think dropping that really makes a difference.
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  7625. # [20:46] <@shepazu> Garbee: no, that does make a difference
  7626. # [20:46] <@shepazu> CC-BY is okay
  7627. # [20:47] <@Garbee> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ --There exact license.
  7628. # [20:47] <@Garbee> Even the images actually, so if we really wanted to just use