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# Session Start: Wed Oct 17 00:00:00 2012
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# [00:51] <@Ryan_Lane> everything going well?
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# [00:56] <boulderjams> Having a good day.. yourself ?
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# [01:01] <@Ryan_Lane> going well
# [01:01] <@Ryan_Lane> I'm just making sure no one's having any issues. I'm at a conference and like to check in occasionally ;)
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# [01:02] <@Garbee> I haven't heard of any issues outside of the Mailing List which has been addressed.
# [01:02] <@Ryan_Lane> great
# [01:03] <@Ryan_Lane> some of the openstack people are eagerly awaiting the release of our salt repo
# [01:03] <@Ryan_Lane> the openstack infrastructure people starting using salt recent
# [01:03] <@Ryan_Lane> *recently
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# [01:03] <@Garbee> What is salt?
# [01:03] <@Ryan_Lane> what we're using for configuration management. it's like puppet or chef
# [01:04] <@Ryan_Lane> but written in python
# [01:04] <@Garbee> Ah.
# [01:04] <@Garbee> No wonder I had no clue. ;)
# [01:04] <@Garbee> So, does that work with French Fries too?
# [01:05] <@Ryan_Lane> :D
# [01:05] <@Ryan_Lane> not so well with slugs
# [01:05] <@Garbee> What conference are you at?
# [01:05] <@Ryan_Lane> openstack
# [01:06] <shepazu> Ryan_Lane: hey, tell them we're using openstack!
# [01:06] <shepazu> r
# [01:07] <@Ryan_Lane> they know :)
# [01:07] <shepazu> Ryan_Lane: also… who should I talk to about allowing SVG to be rendered in an iframe in MW?
# [01:07] <shepazu> they know?
# [01:07] <shepazu> yay!
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# [01:08] <shepazu> Ryan_Lane: did someone actually mention WebPlatform.org?
# [01:11] <@Ryan_Lane> I've been mentioning it
# [01:11] <@Garbee> Have you been giving some schwag out?
# [01:12] <shepazu> oh. well, not as cool, but still cool :)
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# [01:16] <@Ryan_Lane> Garbee: I don't have any :(
# [01:17] <@Ryan_Lane> shepazu: yeah. not much get mentioned here unless it's a cloud deployment (meaning deploying openstack itself)
# [01:17] <shepazu> nerds
# [01:17] <@Garbee> Dull nerds.
# [01:18] <@Ryan_Lane> :D
# [01:18] <@Ryan_Lane> well, depends on what you consider dull :)
# [01:18] <@Ryan_Lane> I thought the CERN and SpaceX talks were kind of great
# [01:19] <shepazu> cool!
# [01:19] <@Garbee> Woa, hold up. CERN was there?
# [01:19] <@Garbee> NASA > SpaceX
# [01:19] <@Ryan_Lane> yeah. Tim Bell is one of the board members
# [01:19] <@Garbee> That is cool.
# [01:19] <shepazu> SpaceX is supercool
# [01:19] <@Ryan_Lane> yeah
# [01:20] <@Garbee> Did SpaceX land a rover on Mars from a sky crane? NO!
# [01:20] <@Ryan_Lane> hm. wait. was that at puppetconf?
# [01:20] <shepazu> NASA is also supercool :)
# [01:20] <@Ryan_Lane> awww. it was puppetconf, yeah
# [01:20] <@Garbee> I think it is cool private companies are doing space stuff, but NASA still rules.
# [01:20] <@Ryan_Lane> cern was also at puppetconf
# [01:20] <@Garbee> Until someone gets us to the moon so I can live there, then *they* rule.
# [01:20] <@Ryan_Lane> NASA was one of the original launchers of openstack
# [01:21] <@Ryan_Lane> CERN did a keynote last openstack summit
# [01:21] <@Ryan_Lane> mark shuttleworth did one this time
# [01:21] <@Garbee> Unless he announced no more Unity, I don't care what he has to say...
# [01:21] <@Ryan_Lane> hahahaha
# [01:21] <@Garbee> ^^ a joke people.
# [01:21] <@Ryan_Lane> it's was a juju talk
# [01:22] <@Garbee> The JuJu of how Unity sucks? I think we all already knew that.
# [01:22] <@Ryan_Lane> juju is like salt/puppet/chef
# [01:22] <@Garbee> I bet that is what is in their server admin packge.
# [01:22] <@Garbee> Can't remember the name of it...
# [01:22] <@Ryan_Lane> seeing as that I used salt for webplatform, you can tell how I feel about juju :)
# [01:22] <@Garbee> Landscape!
# [01:22] <@Ryan_Lane> MaaS?
# [01:22] <@Ryan_Lane> ah
# [01:22] <@Ryan_Lane> landscape
# [01:23] <@Ryan_Lane> the proprietary thing
# [01:23] <@Garbee> Yea, there multi server mangement stuff.
# [01:23] <@Garbee> Like Microsoft has in Server 2012 now.
# [01:23] <@Ryan_Lane> I'll continue ignoring it until it's open source
# [01:23] <@Garbee> (Which is quite nice. If only Windows made much sense for servers.)
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# [01:25] <@Ryan_Lane> yeah. I've used that before
# [01:26] <@Garbee> ugh. /me bangs head against desk.
# [01:26] <@Ryan_Lane> Red Hat Satellite Server (Spacewalk upstream) is much nicer
# [01:26] <@Garbee> Sessions are killing me today.
# [01:27] <@Garbee> Yea, Red Hat seems to do all the cool stuff. Novell brand stuff always just looks nasty to me.
# [01:27] <@Ryan_Lane> heh
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# [01:27] <@Garbee> Yay, the logout button finally works.
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# [03:39] <@arkhi> Good mooooorning!
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# [03:59] <@mdel> to anyone following along on the list - what are the real barriers in having templates and such on Github?
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# [04:02] <@mdel> i dont think I have access to editing templates, but I'm curious if there would be a way for folks to test their template changes before submitting a pull request
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# [04:11] <@mdel> Garbee: you around?
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# [04:48] <clarkpan> Hi guys, is there a reason theres a whole bunch of posts on the Q&A by Wikisysop?
# [04:48] <clarkpan> isn't that the default mediawiki user?
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# [04:53] <@mdel> clarkpan: http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/2298/who-is-the-wikisysop-operating-user-on-wiki-q-a
# [04:54] <clarkpan> so its a bug?
# [04:57] <@mdel> im not sure, I've only read here and in the Q&A that anon users are recognized as that
# [04:58] <@mdel> i also see "anonymous" users...
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# [05:00] <clarkpan> I thought maybe it was the system pulling in questions from another external source or something
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# [05:02] <@mdel> clarkpan: nah, definitely not that
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# [05:03] <@mdel> either way, it's a known issue, im just not sure of the cause or what the plan is for resolving it
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# [05:26] <mike5w3c> shepazu: see above question from clarkpan about "whole bunch of posts on the Q&A by Wikisysop"
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# [05:28] <shepazu> mike5w3c: I do, and I do
# [05:28] <mike5w3c> right on
# [05:28] <mike5w3c> groovy
# [05:28] <shepazu> mike5w3c: we've been having some trouble with authentication on the QA forums
# [05:29] <mike5w3c> ah
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# [05:48] <DarkW> hello.. i have some button links that i'm trying to line vertically, they're <a href.......><img etc></a> inside of a div id of leftcolumn and in css leftcolumn i put float:left; i need them to list vertically, but they're showing horizontally.. i'm only allowed to use css to do it, not allowed to touch the html (or i'd use unordered list).. but i'm having trouble figuring that one out
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# [05:50] <shepazu> DarkW: have you tried using display: inline-block ?
# [05:51] <@arkhi> DarkW: Can you put your code here and send a link back? http://jsfiddle.net/
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# [05:52] <DarkW> yeah i've tried the inline-block display, and sure arkhi 1 sec
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# [05:54] <DarkW> http://jsfiddle.net/ss543/
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# [05:58] <@arkhi> DarkW: I don’t get it: they display vertically on my FF16.
# [05:58] <DarkW> i notice on smaller screen sizes it does.. if i keep firefox window small its vertical.. if i maximize, it isn't
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# [05:59] <DarkW> http://www.netbreakers.com/image.jpg
# [06:00] <@arkhi> DarkW:
# [06:00] <@arkhi> .mainnav {
# [06:00] <@arkhi> display: block;
# [06:00] <@arkhi> }
# [06:01] <DarkW> ahah.. ty that works
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# [06:09] <clarkpan> Hmm is there a nice wiki page that explains document flow that we could've linked that person to?
# [06:11] <@arkhi> clarkpan: That surely would have been better, my bad.
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# [06:16] <clarkpan> heres the best one i can find
# [06:17] <clarkpan> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Floats_and_clearing
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# [06:18] <@arkhi> DarkW: Still here? You probably should read the article clarkpan just mentioned. :)
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# [06:21] <DarkW> will do
# [06:21] <clarkpan> I don't know if someone like DarkW could've found that article without first knowing what they were searching for
# [06:22] <clarkpan> I mean i tried looking in Concepts first, where i thought such an article would exist
# [06:23] <clarkpan> then i looked into CSS which is just a list of properties
# [06:23] <clarkpan> You can only really find this page if you knew what you were looking for
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# [06:25] <@mdel> clarkpan: it's first for a search of "float"
# [06:25] <DarkW> i'm familiar with whats on that page but don't think it would have worked for what i needed
# [06:26] <@mdel> i think search was improved today or yesterday too, so that should be leveraged as much as possible
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# [06:26] <clarkpan> Ah i was searching for document flow or along those lines
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# [06:26] <clarkpan> yea searching float makes more sense :)
# [06:26] <DarkW> was floating the entire div, not each button individually or that would have probably worked
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# [06:28] <clarkpan> yea for your problem its not the floating that was what's causing it
# [06:28] <clarkpan> its that a and img elements are inline elements
# [06:28] <clarkpan> and thus follow document flow
# [06:29] <DarkW> if i could touch the html i would of just put it in an unorder list or add br tags and be done with it lol
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# [06:29] <clarkpan> Try this
# [06:29] <clarkpan> #leftcolumn a { display:block;}
# [06:30] <clarkpan> actually that does exactly what arkhi's code does as well
# [06:30] <DarkW> i just did .mainnav as arkhi gave me and that worked
# [06:30] <clarkpan> yep he's correct
# [06:30] <clarkpan> do you understand why it worked?
# [06:31] <DarkW> yeah
# [06:31] <clarkpan> ah awesome, i'll just be quiet then
# [06:31] <DarkW> a case of something i overlooked and didn't think of ^_^
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# [06:38] <@arkhi> DarkW: Make sure that if you can trigger an element with its class instead of a child selector or an ID, you use that class instead.
# [06:38] <@arkhi> It’s a bit more flexible and less demanding for the browser.
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# [06:41] <clarkpan> also much easier to read
# [06:42] <styfle> hello world
# [06:42] <clarkpan> hello styfle
# [06:42] <styfle> this webplatform stuff looks exciting
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# [06:47] <DarkW> ok arkhi, here's one for you.. some of the text ends up underneath that navigation column instead of to the right.. whats the best way to push the text over with css?
# [06:48] <@arkhi> overflow: hidden on the container aside the float. :p
# [06:49] <clarkpan> hmm
# [06:49] <clarkpan> i think he's actually looking for either
# [06:49] <clarkpan> #rightcolumn {
# [06:49] <@arkhi> or auto, actually, but you might end up with scrollbars.
# [06:49] <clarkpan> margin-left:16%;
# [06:49] <clarkpan> }
# [06:49] <DarkW> ah k
# [06:49] <clarkpan> or floating the right column and then overflow hidden on container
# [06:50] <DarkW> i like the margin idea better :P
# [06:51] <@arkhi> considering you mix % and pixels, this might get trickier at some point…
# [06:51] <@arkhi> Depends on your site, context of the project, etc.
# [06:53] <clarkpan> yeah fluid margins never work out too well
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# [06:53] <DarkW> not really a complex project.. that text bit was hurting me :o but that pretty much finished the job.. i might play around with pixels instead for awhile
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# [06:54] <DarkW> yeah, i find it gets messy when you decrease the screen size or browser window size
# [06:54] <DarkW> but isn't fluidity meant to work on all sizes?
# [06:55] <clarkpan> it is, if everything that affects the box model is using percentages
# [06:55] <clarkpan> however, for the leftcolumn, you've declared a percentage width
# [06:55] <clarkpan> but px values for padding and margins
# [06:56] <@mdel> relevant: http://paulirish.com/2012/box-sizing-border-box-ftw/
# [06:56] <clarkpan> i know everyone's been advocating using * { box-sizing:border-box; }
# [06:56] <clarkpan> but what if he needs ie7...
# [06:56] <@mdel> thats certainly a consideration
# [06:57] <DarkW> why couldn't css just be more like C++ and use variables :)
# [06:57] <DarkW> lol
# [06:58] <styfle> does border-box work on all browsers though?
# [06:58] <@mdel> down to IE7 with polyfills
# [06:58] <@mdel> maybe even IE6
# [06:58] <@mdel> DarkW: see Sass :)
# [06:59] <DarkW> clarkpan: the beauty of it is they're only testing with firefox :p
# [06:59] <styfle> does IE 8 support without pollyfills...?
# [06:59] <@mdel> yes
# [06:59] <styfle> oh good
# [06:59] <clarkpan> i would still love to see people advocating understanding the box-model first
# [06:59] <styfle> and i'm guessing it degrades somewhat gracefully?
# [06:59] <DarkW> but technically, as long as it degrades gracefully on older browsers i'm fine
# [06:59] <clarkpan> the degrades terribly
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# [06:59] <@mdel> clarkpan: i definitely advocate understanding it, of course
# [07:00] <clarkpan> your layouts will go completely bonkers
# [07:00] <styfle> yeah i suppose if the padding is off then stuff can get messed up quickly
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# [07:01] <@mdel> i've used it successfully on several sites supporting down to IE7 with no issues using the polyfill
# [07:02] <@mdel> it depends on proper calculations of course, but using a preprocesser stack like Sass + Susy for semantic grids will take care of that
# [07:02] <clarkpan> (not sarcastic) i would love to see some of them
# [07:02] <@mdel> PMed
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# [07:11] <styfle> I think I found a bug: http://i.imgur.com/Z2LuY.png
# [07:12] <styfle> Look at the edit button
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# [07:19] <@arkhi> styfle: Cool! Maybe you can check in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=webplatform.org and add it if it’s not there already?
# [07:21] <styfle> do i have to make an account there too?
# [07:22] <@arkhi> I suppose you do, sorry, but try your WPD account first…
# [07:22] <styfle> invalid
# [07:28] <@mdel> g'night all
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# [07:29] <styfle> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19569
# [07:29] <styfle> @arkhi Okay I filed the bug
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# [13:18] <Unitron> Hello!
# [13:20] <Unitron> Dart language relise. http://www.dartlang.org/ What u think about Dart?
# [13:21] <Unitron> Hey any here?
# [13:21] <@Sandkorn> Here, but no opinion (yet) :-)
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# [13:24] <Unitron> And see there are Dart Editor?
# [13:24] <Unitron> Where download editor for JS?
# [13:25] <greench> Hello, I prepared Turkish subtitle for webed introduction video on youtube(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug6XAw6hzaw&feature=player_embedded). Please add it to video. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webed/2012Oct/0001.html
# [13:25] <Unitron> JS/HTML6/CSS/WebGL please
# [13:26] <greench> Unitron Any text editor can be used for JavaScript.
# [13:26] <Unitron> no
# [13:26] <Unitron> i Want special editor
# [13:27] <Unitron> i just not found good open editor for JS :(
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# [13:29] <Unitron> HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY?
# [13:29] <Unitron> Help please
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# [13:30] <Unitron> What editors u use?
# [13:30] <Unitron> open...
# [13:32] <@Sandkorn> Pick one you like and stay with it..
# [13:32] <@Sandkorn> get comfortable and learn everything your tool is able to do over time..
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# [13:32] <@Sandkorn> My personal favourite is (g)vim .. sublime seems to be popular these days.. google some, play with it, pick one you like :-)
# [13:34] <coda> sublimetext is nice and free (you can register it). if you look for an IDE type editor, then webstorm / phpstorm / intellij are nice but they are not cheap. you get a good trial though
# [13:35] <coda> you can even use cloud9 and edit in your browser
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# [13:39] <greench> aptana may be fine...
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# [13:41] <Unitron> aptana, eclipse, netbeasn all work normal only top computer
# [13:41] <Unitron> slow programms
# [13:41] <Unitron> cose Java
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# [13:42] <Unitron> Maybe u know open/free alternative too Phpstorm?
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# [13:46] <eighty4> coda: Sublime is actually "free"
# [13:49] <coda> http://www.sublimetext.com/buy
# [13:50] <coda> free as long as you don't mind that. if it's your bread and butter, $59 is not exactly taxing
# [13:51] <eighty4> I'm using it for "free" atm, I've already payed for chocolat this month.
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# [13:53] <hapi> http://altjs.org/
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# [14:05] <Unitron> stop spam plz
# [14:06] <Unitron> hapi what?
# [14:06] <Unitron> we about editors
# [14:06] <hapi> my bad, sorry
# [14:09] <Unitron> ok
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# [14:09] <Unitron> thx no all
# [14:09] <eighty4> Morning HammHetfield
# [14:09] <HammHetfield> eighty4: good morning to you
# [14:09] <Unitron> bb
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# [19:36] <@Garbee> eighty4, Sublime Text is *not* free. It has a free trial with no limits, but the license is $60.
# [19:37] <eighty4> Garbee: you actually go throw the entire logs each day? I wrote that yesterday, didn I? :) And yes you are correct
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# [19:38] <@Garbee> That was from this morning.
# [19:38] <@Garbee> And yes, I go through logs every day of what I missed.
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# [19:38] <@Garbee> I'm also wondering who Unitron told to stop spamming. I didn't see any.
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# [19:40] <@Garbee> Pretty quite day overall though.
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# [19:43] <David_Bradbury> I <3 Sublime. I wish I could use it at work though =/
# [19:46] <@Garbee> Why can't you?
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# [19:58] <David_Bradbury> Boss wants us all on the same text editor
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# [19:58] <@Garbee> Why?
# [19:59] <@Garbee> Sorry, it just makes no sense to me.
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# [20:00] <David_Bradbury> He has said that he wants us to be able to work on eachother's computers without relying on your personal text editor
# [20:00] <David_Bradbury> Doesn't make sense to me either, but oh well
# [20:00] <@Garbee> Sorry man. Just keep looking at the greener side and join us when you can.
# [20:00] <@Garbee> ;)
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# [20:03] <David_Bradbury> Hah, well, I use it at home and that's good enough for me for now
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# [20:04] <@Garbee> Inbox... keeps... growing...
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# [20:17] <David_Bradbury> *, a, e - Problem solved
# [20:17] <@Garbee> Is that the key combination to delete everything in gmail?
# [20:18] <David_Bradbury> (* = select, a = all, e = archive)
# [20:18] <David_Bradbury> Archive, yup
# [20:18] <@Garbee> Yea, won't work for me.
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# [20:18] * @Garbee does not use gmail.
# [20:18] <David_Bradbury> Hmm
# [20:18] <David_Bradbury> Ctrl + A, Delete ?
# [20:18] <@Garbee> I am using stuff running on my web host and Outlook.com.
# [20:19] <@Garbee> I'm not worried about deleting it. Just right then as I was going through all the ML stuff more kept coming in.
# [20:19] <David_Bradbury> Fair enough. I've been increasingly diligent about keeping my inbox empty and applying proper filters and folders to everything
# [20:20] <@Garbee> I could, I'm just too lazy.
# [20:20] <@Garbee> If I need something I just search.
# [20:20] <@Garbee> I have a few folders like one for Product Keys, one for Reciepts, etc. But unless it is general stuff like that folders is too much work.
# [20:20] * @mdel_away uses filters like a crazy person
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# [20:22] <David_Bradbury> :) - My biggest uses are for filtering all the advertisements I get into an 'ads' folder, so when I feel like grabbing a pizza or getting a discount on a domain, I can look there without it cluttering my inbox. I also have a psudo-GTD system hooked up where I e-mail things to myself and assign tasks, next actions, and references
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# [20:23] <@Garbee> I dispise email in the first place. I only use it because it is basically required for the internets.
# [20:23] <@mdel> email > phone calls though
# [20:24] <@Garbee> I don't really even give out my number, so that isn't an issue either.
# [20:24] <@mdel> ah
# [20:24] <@mdel> yeah i have a phone on my desk at work
# [20:25] <@mdel> well, its my cell phone :) but my work number redirects to it
# [20:26] * @mdel is offtopic and will STFU
# [20:26] <@Garbee> I think we need to decide exactly what the comment system on the site is for.
# [20:27] <@mdel> in the Q&A noone knows when to answer and when to comment
# [20:27] <@mdel> myself included
# [20:29] <@Garbee> What do you mean?
# [20:29] <@mdel> are you talking about the comments in Q&A
# [20:29] <@Garbee> No, the Docs.
# [20:29] <@mdel> ah ok...
# [20:29] <@Garbee> Q&A should be straightforward when to do what.
# [20:30] <@mdel> it kinda isn't, at least from what I see
# [20:30] <shepazu> David_Bradbury: are you an admin yet?
# [20:30] <David_Bradbury> Hah, nah
# [20:30] <shepazu> are you interested?
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# [20:31] <David_Bradbury> Oh, certainly.
# [20:31] <shepazu> David_Bradbury: do you promise to be good? :P
# [20:31] <shepazu> and what's your username?
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# [20:32] <David_Bradbury> Hah, I always am. I believe it is just DavidBradbury, but I'll double check.
# [20:32] <@mdel> shepazu: while you are in there, can you check my permissions as well: mdel
# [20:32] <shepazu> mdel: are you not an admin yet?
# [20:32] <shepazu> geez
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# [20:32] <shepazu> ok, will do
# [20:32] <David_Bradbury> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/User_talk:David_Bradbury
# [20:32] <@mdel> :)
# [20:32] <shepazu> whoops, brb
# [20:33] * @eternicode is also not admin yet.
# [20:33] <@eternicode> I thought cmills just hadn't gotten to that yet.
# [20:33] <@mdel> same
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# [20:54] <eighty4> Garbee: the guy pasting the altjs link (I'm guessing)
# [20:55] <@Garbee> Yea, figured that out after a while. Still don't know why Unitron thought that was spam.
# [20:55] <@Garbee> Whatever though, at least he didn't go crazy on the chatroom.
# [20:56] <@Garbee> Not worth worrying about at this point.
# [20:56] <eighty4> David_Bradbury: I desided the exact same thing two years back at work :) Then I wanted to try some other editor and I desided it was bullshit. Now I'm using sublime, someone's using coda the rest is using textmate
# [20:57] <David_Bradbury> We're using UltraEdit @_@
# [20:57] <eighty4> Garbee: he seems a bit unused to this form of communication :) and probably didn't realize the altjs link was a suggestion for him.
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# [20:58] <@Garbee> eighty4, That and/or the translation he does. English isn't their native language.
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# [21:01] <shepazu> eternicode, mdel, David_Bradbury, welcome to the admin group, and thank you!
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# [21:01] <@fr0zenice> congrats!
# [21:01] <David_Bradbury> Thanks shepazu :)
# [21:02] <@Ryan_Lane> ?
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# [21:02] <@Ryan_Lane> we celebrating something? :)
# [21:02] <@fr0zenice> your arrival!
# [21:02] <@fr0zenice> and new admins.
# [21:02] <@Ryan_Lane> ah. cool. yay for new admins!
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# [21:09] <@Garbee> Is there a way to mark and pull a specific section of content out of a wiki article for discussion?
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# [21:09] <Damianz> In a raw/html format?
# [21:09] <@Garbee> I'd like to be able to say highlight a section and that would add that nice comment box, that we we could discuss something relating to it.
# [21:09] <@Garbee> Mediawiki formatting.
# [21:10] <Damianz> dunno about commenting, you can pull the section from the api
# [21:10] <@Garbee> Even a section is too much.
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# [21:10] <@Garbee> It is literally one line.
# [21:11] <@Garbee> We have the comment intiated on an h1 " = text = ". It would be cool to also have some kind of editing style to pull it into a certain place just for normal text.
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# [21:14] <@mdel> nom nom nom
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# [21:52] <@Garbee> I just fully deleted the Developer Tools page. Moving the browser stuff into Tutorials and the rest we can decide where to put it later.
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# [21:52] <@Garbee> Having it where it was though isn't a good idea.
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# [21:53] <@Garbee> And yea, I know "deleting w/o flagging isn't a good idea", but considering I was the only one working on it and there were no links too it we should be good.
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# [22:18] <eighty4> yeah. You're probably right. I shouldn't even be arguing in the state I'm currently in :)
# [22:18] <eighty4> evening chris_cook
# [22:19] <eighty4> and jeffreyatw
# [22:19] <@chris_cook> good evening
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# [22:20] <jeffreyatw> helo
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# [22:36] <shepazu> Garbee: deleting your own stuff is fine :)
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# [22:37] <@Garbee> Oh, I also wanted to say thanks to you shepazu. I loved having a tl;dr for long emails.
# [22:37] <@Garbee> love*
# [22:38] <shepazu> :D
# [22:41] <@Garbee> I need to come up with a standard email signature.
# [22:41] <Damianz> - <name>
# [22:41] <Damianz> signatures are overrated
# [22:41] <@Garbee> btw, Did you ever finish your email on the purpose of IRC/Q&A and what you thought on doing normal support shep?
# [22:42] <@Garbee> That is still a signature Damianz.
# [22:42] <@Ryan_Lane> Damianz: ah. didn't notice you had joined this channel ;)
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# [22:42] <Damianz> Ryan_Lane: *runs away*
# [22:42] <@Garbee> I need to think of how I want all my emails to end. I'm thinking " Thanks, \n Garbee "
# [22:43] <Damianz> ARGH
# [22:43] <Damianz> Why whitespace at the end of the line
# [22:43] <Damianz> bad
# [22:43] <@Garbee> What whitespace?
# [22:43] <Damianz> "Thanks,\n Garbee", possibly.
# [22:43] <@Garbee> I put spaces from the quotes just to separate it in IRC.
# [22:44] <@Ryan_Lane> heh. developers. always with the whitespace arguments :)
# [22:44] <@varl> Garbee: I use "\n/v." and type "cheers", "best regards", "my best", etc. based on the email
# [22:44] <@Ryan_Lane> Damianz: now I'm going to add random whitespace in Labs emails, just for you ;)
# [22:44] <@Garbee> varl, Ah, perhaps I should find a way to generate an end greeting randomly...
# [22:44] <@varl> Garbee: now you're talking.
# [22:44] <@Garbee> Ryan_Lane, I know right.
# [22:44] <Damianz> Ryan_Lane: HEY, you do that in OSM already :P
# [22:44] <@Ryan_Lane> :)
# [22:44] <@Ryan_Lane> true
# [22:44] <@varl> just don't put anything rude in your rotation
# [22:45] <@Garbee> varl, "Screw off" must be in there.
# [22:45] <Damianz> If you really want to screw with someone rotate betwean \n, \r and \r\n then also switch betwean 2/4/8 tabs, mixed with spaces.
# [22:46] <@Garbee> Who wants to find a way to piss Paul off via email formatting?
# [22:46] <@Garbee> I'm so in.
# [22:46] <@Garbee> shepazu, Also are you authenticated with the IRC system? I notice you don't have Op.
# [22:47] <shepazu> huh
# [22:47] <shepazu> not sure why
# [22:47] <shepazu> brb
# [22:48] <@Garbee> nickserv shows you as being logged in...
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# [22:53] <@Garbee> I think I a m going to have some fun with Damianz and his wh itesp ace isssues.
# [22:54] <Damianz> To be fiar you olny need the fisrt and lsat chras in palce to udner santd sneomoe.
# [22:55] <@fr0zenice> that only works for well known words
# [22:55] <@fr0zenice> whitespace is fun
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# [23:30] <shepazu> hey, folks, can anyone help me find an example of a page that uses MDN material?
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# [23:32] <Damianz> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=site%3Adocs.webplatform.org+Microsoft+Developer+Network
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# [23:38] <@Garbee> that seems a little rude Damianz.
# [23:41] <Damianz> well google make their query string full of garbage these days and he/she never specified what form of help they wanted, the 3rd link is a page so that seems helpful. Being rude would have involved implying I have more interesting things to do and no.
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# [23:47] <eighty4> webplatform docs already have 4710 indexed pages, really good work
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# [23:53] <mstalfoort> shepazu, looking for something like this http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/svg_introduction?
# [23:55] <shepazu> mstalfoort: ah, great, thanks!
# [23:56] <mstalfoort> shepazu, np
# [23:56] <shepazu> Damianz: MDN is "Mozilla Developer Network", not Microsoft
# [23:57] * Damianz shrugs at reading MDN as MSDN, stupid acronyms
# [23:57] <shepazu> Damianz: and as Thumper's mom says, if you can't say sumfin' nice, don't say nuffin' at all
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# [23:59] <Damianz> Thumper's mom also said Work it, make it, do it, makes us. Harder, better, faster, stronger.
# [23:59] <shepazu> Damianz: and I'm a big boy, I can take trolling, but I'd appreciate keeping that kind of unhelpful attitude to other channels… this is a friendly channel
# [23:59] <Damianz> If you think that was trolling you should catch me on a Friday :)
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