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# Session Start: Fri Oct 19 00:40:46 2012
# Session Ident: #webplatform
# [00:40] * Now talking in #webplatform
# [00:40] * Topic is 'conversation about webplatform.org • faq: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ • logs: http://talk.webplatform.org/chatlogs • bugs: http://goo.gl/bTTpT • recent activity: http://goo.gl/oqZu4'
# [00:40] * Set by paul_irish!~paul_iris@ve.hsh6wjwx.vesrv.com on Thu Oct 18 07:20:50
# [00:40] -cameron.freenode.net:#webplatform- [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp
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# [02:13] <@Garbee> I love how the business of the mailing list today was twitter updates. :/
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# [02:19] <@Garbee> Getting ready for the meetup Mr. Lubbers?
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# [02:26] * @mdel is having issues with bitbucket now...
# [02:29] <@mdel> nvm, issue was with my screen session (or something)
# [02:29] <@mdel> <3 bitbucket btw
# [02:31] <plamoni> Anyone else having trouble with images not loading?
# [02:31] <@Garbee> plamoni, Yes.
# [02:32] <@Garbee> Probably related to the DB issue earlier.
# [02:32] <@Garbee> Ryan is busy and will get things fixed up later. I'm pretty positive that caused it since right after he removed the slave SQL DB they stopped working for me.
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# [02:33] <plamoni> k
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# [04:08] <@arkhi> Goood morning!
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# [04:36] <etoxin> What does everyone think of the https://developer.mozilla.org/ wiki? How does it compare to web platform?
# [04:37] <hubbske> love it great for ideas
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# [04:38] <@eternicode> MDN's actually one of the sources we're importing. Along with MSDN, WSC, and HTML5Rocks.
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# [04:39] <etoxin> Nice!
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# [04:43] <peterlubbers> FYI: Live stream of a brief @SFHTML5 WPD presentation will start in 5 minutes at http://www.justin.tv/marakana_techtv#/w/4007510976/2
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# [04:46] <etoxin> I think personally that MDN has one the best Javascript references online. It's great that you are importing MDN into webplatform.org
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# [04:56] <@mdel> peterlubbers: thanks for the reminder!
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# [05:02] <@arkhi> Thanks peterlubbers
# [05:03] <@mdel> arkhi: you just popped up on his screen :)
# [05:03] <@arkhi> oops
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# [05:08] <@eternicode> haha, 5sec of fame :P
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# [05:15] <@mdel> peterlubbers: stop by, everyone!
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# [05:21] <@arkhi> peterlubbers: from http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Site-terms-of-service : “Contributor agrees to license […] under an unrestricted, non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, world-wide, royalty-free, sublicensable, transferrable license authorizing all uses, including reproduction, distribution, creation of derivative works, public display, public performance, and public digital performance of sound recordings.”
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# [05:32] * Topic is 'conversation about webplatform.org • faq: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ • logs: http://talk.webplatform.org/chatlogs • bugs: http://goo.gl/bTTpT • recent activity: http://goo.gl/oqZu4'
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# [05:33] -ChanServ- [#microformats] Welcome to #microformats. Logs at http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats
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# [06:49] <jeffreyatw> woo, a dude just came from the html5 meetup over to noisebridge and gave me a webplatform sticker
# [06:49] <jeffreyatw> my laptop is STYLIN'
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# [06:54] <@mdel> jeffreyatw: jealous, me wants
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# [07:22] <@arkhi> jeffreyatw: How do we get one of those? :)
# [07:22] <jeffreyatw> I dunno. Attend an HTML5 meetup in San Francisco I guess :\
# [07:23] <jeffreyatw> I think this was at Adobe's SF headquarters
# [07:23] <jeffreyatw> But I wasn't there.
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# [07:29] <@mdel> arkhi: afaik they will be available soon
# [07:32] <@arkhi> Cool, thanks mdel
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# [08:07] <clarkpan> Hello everyone!
# [08:09] <@arkhi> Hello clarkpan!
# [08:09] <clarkpan> how's everybody this friday?
# [08:10] <@arkhi> Calm. :)
# [08:10] <@arkhi> and sleepy after lunch, but that’s usual.
# [08:11] <clarkpan> Mmm i've just had a large can of energy drink
# [08:11] <clarkpan> so quite the opposite of what you feel
# [08:13] <@arkhi> Good gods…
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# [08:14] <clarkpan> Yea its a very bad habit...
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# [08:15] <clarkpan> But you know what is a good habit? Always considering accessibility for javascript components
# [08:16] <clarkpan> which brings me to my question... Should i deliberately give focus to items in a carousel when the user 'clicks' to switch items
# [08:17] <clarkpan> or should i just put aria-hidden so they don't see the control that switches items
# [08:17] <clarkpan> and just read that content as basic html
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# [08:19] <@arkhi> Not sure I understand everything you wrote clarkpan…
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# [08:20] <@arkhi> But from what I understood, I would ask this question: What content do you want to provide to your user?
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# [08:35] <clarkpan> the main part of the carousel
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# [09:36] <@_WiZZarD> morning
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# [09:37] <@Sandkorn> Morning, folks
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# [09:39] <@arkhi> Hello _WiZZarD and Sandkorn
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# [09:39] <@_WiZZarD> good morning arkhi
# [09:39] <@Sandkorn> :-)
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# [09:43] <eighty4> divya: (Response to twitter) Why not ditch the entire html/css concept and go with compiled C as web pages :)
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# [09:46] <@arkhi> eighty4: How would you interact with this?
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# [09:47] <eighty4> arkhi: As you do with any C written program? There's gui C programs you know.
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# [09:47] <eighty4> arkhi: and no, I wasn't serious
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# [09:47] <@arkhi> eighty4: I don’t know.
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# [09:48] <eighty4> arkhi: Just read a discussion between divy and paul_iris regarding validation for html/css
# [09:48] <eighty4> if we coded in C instead it wouldn't be much of a problem :)
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# [10:02] <@_WiZZarD> lol
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# [11:57] <PhistucK> Is there a constructor template?
# [11:58] <@arkhi> Not that I know of PhistucK… Did you search?
# [11:59] <PhistucK> For things like new Worker("blabla.js")
# [11:59] <PhistucK> How can I search for a template?
# [11:59] <PhistucK> I looked at various articles and did not find anything.
# [12:00] <PhistucK> Wait, I will look at my own example to make sure no one added it recently.
# [12:01] <PhistucK> No, the Worker page does not have the needed template.
# [12:01] <PhistucK> Is there a way to search for templates?
# [12:03] <PhistucK> I found the way. There is none.
# [12:03] <@Garbee> If you have any ideas for new templates send the idea(s) into the Mailing List.
# [12:04] <@Garbee> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/
# [12:04] <PhistucK> By the way, http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/ is down.
# [12:04] <@Garbee> Not for me.
# [12:05] <@Garbee> Do you mean the webchat client that was there?
# [12:05] <PhistucK> No
# [12:05] <PhistucK> I go to that page (well, the chat link)
# [12:05] <PhistucK> And this is what I get -
# [12:05] <PhistucK> Service Temporarily Unavailable The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. Apache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu) Server at talk.webplatform.org Port 80
# [12:05] <@Garbee> Interesting, I might be going off a cache...
# [12:06] <PhistucK> It has been like that for at least the last ten minutes
# [12:06] <@Garbee> http://www.isup.me/http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/ it shows as being up.
# [12:06] <@_WiZZarD> site works here
# [12:06] <@Garbee> Might be some other issue going on.
# [12:06] <Sandkorn> Works here as well
# [12:07] <PhistucK> I am trying from Israel, perhaps I am on a bad cluster (or whatever) or something
# [12:07] <@Garbee> PhistucK, You are here though, so you really don't need the information on that page now unless you want to get an idea for a client to use.
# [12:07] <PhistucK> This is correct, I was just informing you about the issue.
# [12:07] <@ravenzz> PhistucK were you talking about js?
# [12:08] <@Garbee> Yea, we have issues everywhere. I will add that to the list.
# [12:08] <PhistucK> Yes, JavaScript constructors, like new Worker, new XMLHTTPRequest.
# [12:09] <PhistucK> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/apis/xhr/objects/XMLHttpRequest the syntax section is a simple text, not using a template, for example.
# [12:10] <PhistucK> And I guess this page should be deleted or redirected or something -
# [12:10] <PhistucK> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/apis/xhr/properties/XMLHttpRequest
# [12:11] <PhistucK> There is an issue with Window properties that have certain types, I guess
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# [12:20] <@ravenzz> anyway it is a matter of the summary template I guess
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# [12:23] <@ravenzz> syntax sorry
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# [12:24] <@ravenzz> which doesn't neet do be market with a language I guess
# [12:24] <@ravenzz> same goes for the examples. Code hightlight would be enought imho
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# [12:26] <@Garbee> Code highlight is being worked on.
# [12:26] <@Garbee> THere is a bug in the system with it.
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# [12:51] <lushchick> Hey guys - http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/ is down for me too (503)
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# [12:52] <lushchick> strange, google translate works fine and sees a webpage though
# [12:53] <@_WiZZarD> still works for me
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# [12:53] <@_WiZZarD> perhaps some weird loadbaling/routing issue oslt
# [12:53] <@_WiZZarD> *loadbalancing even
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# [13:03] <krijn> O hai, I added #webplatform to my public IRC logs as well, in case anyone in here prefers those
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# [13:28] <hooloovoo> ummm, a bit off topic, but can't you have a list of conferences and stuff on the wiki?
# [13:28] <hooloovoo> or can i find that somewhere else easily?
# [13:29] <odinho> Hmm. I use lwn.net -- but that is mostly linux-centric.
# [13:29] <@Garbee> Conferences unless they are by big projects/companies tend to be ad-hoc.
# [13:29] <odinho> Test the Web Forward is in Paris next weekend at least. Please come there :D
# [13:30] <@Garbee> There should be somewhere for it, but I don't think within WPD would be the place from my view.
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# [13:47] <hooloovoo> Garbee: Test the Web Forward thing seems nice. I think it's a bit too late to decide to go there now. Maybe if i had read about it on some kind of collection of nice conferences a few weeks ago... *hint wink* =)
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# [14:00] <@Garbee> hooloovoo, You may want to check around some of these and see if they already have plans for next year: http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2012/02/10/upcoming-web-design-and-development-conferences-for-2012/
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# [14:16] <hooloovoo> Garbee: thanks, i'll have a look at that.
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# [14:19] <@Garbee> I just don't know of anything else. Sorry.
# [14:19] <hooloovoo> Garbee: that's a list of stuff at least. it's a good start =)
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# [15:18] <matijsb> hooloovoo: bit late maybe, but you know lanyrd.com?
# [15:18] <hooloovoo> matijsb: oh that kinda looks like what i wanted =)
# [15:18] <hooloovoo> thanks!
# [15:19] <matijsb> you may thank @natbat and @simonw for lanyrd :)
# [15:20] <hooloovoo> will do when i've tried it a bit more
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# [17:08] <@NotTomato> Should all categories technically be in the topics template instead? Just curious because a lot of pages have [[Category:*]] on them instead of the topics template and I wasn't sure if it should all be uniform.
# [17:09] <@NotTomato> Also what is the meta namespace? Are those like duplicate pages or something?
# [17:09] <@NotTomato> They are all flagged to be merged.
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# [17:11] <@Garbee> Yea the meta namespace was stuff they did pre-launch and moved into there for some reason.
# [17:12] <@NotTomato> Ah okay.
# [17:12] <@Garbee> I can't remember where I saw it, perhaps in the bug tracker.
# [17:12] <@Garbee> But it just needs to be compared to what we have and merged, that is all. But it is a crapton of stuff.
# [17:13] <@NotTomato> Thanks Garbee. :3
# [17:13] <@Garbee> What I'm going to propose we do with that is break it into chunks and then have people just do small chunks. That way it isn't a handful getting very overworked by doing it all.
# [17:14] <@Garbee> As far as template stuff... I dunno.
# [17:14] <@NotTomato> Maybe I'll try e-mailing for that and see what the others say.
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# [17:38] <shepazu> Garbee: who was I going to ask if they wanted admin status?
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# [17:39] <shepazu> it wasn't mstalfoort, was it?
# [17:39] <@Garbee> mstalfoort
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# [17:39] <@Garbee> Had to check my logs just to make sure.
# [17:39] <shepazu> mstalfoort: I summon thee!
# [17:41] <@Garbee> So when we mark things as move/merge/delete candidates who exactly decides when/if the proposal will be followed?
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# [17:42] <shepazu> Garbee: excellent question
# [17:42] <shepazu> maybe that's something we should discuss in the open telcon?
# [17:42] <@Garbee> Sure.
# [17:43] <@Garbee> I just see so much stuff that needs to be moved/merged but no one really looking over those things.
# [17:43] <shepazu> have we got the technology yet to find all merge candidates?
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# [17:43] <@Garbee> We *should* be able to search by flags... As far as how let me see.
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# [17:48] <@Garbee> ah, http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:SearchByProperty
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# [17:50] <@Garbee> Doesn't seem to be working though: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:SearchByProperty/High-level_issue/Move_Candidate
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# [17:53] <@NotTomato> shepazu hi
# [17:55] <@NotTomato> That's very weird.
# [17:55] <@NotTomato> That search by property isn't working.
# [17:55] <@NotTomato> I just tried it too and it's not working.
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# [17:57] <@NotTomato> You can use replace text to search for pages though if that doesn't work.
# [17:57] <@NotTomato> Sometimes I use that because search by property doesn't really work for searching for certain text.
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# [18:00] <@NotTomato> If you want a easier way to sort the flags though, you could just make it so the template automatically puts them into a category based on the flags. :x
# [18:00] <@NotTomato> Which is something we've talked about doing before, but someone told me not to because search by property exist.
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# [18:02] <@Garbee> I got it working.
# [18:02] <@Garbee> I needed to change the escaped - to the actual value.
# [18:02] <@Garbee> Now it pulls the pages up.
# [18:02] <@NotTomato> Ah okay.
# [18:02] <@NotTomato> It's not working very well.
# [18:02] <@Garbee> Since, going to it directly from the tag itself puts the escaped character into the search compared to the unescaped version.
# [18:02] <@NotTomato> It's only pulling up a few pages for me and not all of them.
# [18:03] <@Garbee> Yea. It still needs some work.
# [18:03] <@NotTomato> At least when I searched merge candidate
# [18:03] <@Garbee> But, at least now we know how to get it working.
# [18:03] <@NotTomato> If you want a easy way to query all of the merge canditates, just use replace text instead and pretend that you're about to replace whatever text your looking for, that extension can pull up every page..
# [18:04] <@NotTomato> I think the problem with search by property Garbee, is that it's not searching all of the namespaces.
# [18:04] <@NotTomato> It's only searching the main namespace.
# [18:04] <@NotTomato> So we can't see any of the pages in the Meta namespace
# [18:05] <@Garbee> Well I think the whole meta namespace needs to be merged... So we don't really need to search that one.
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# [18:06] <@NotTomato> Yeah I know, just might be an issue in the future if pages are in multiple namespaces.
# [18:06] <@NotTomato> And you can't search them with that.
# [18:07] <@Garbee> I don't see us using namespaces that heavily. All the main content has no namespace or is in WPD.
# [18:07] <@Garbee> Would there be a reason to use Namespaces more heavily?
# [18:07] <shepazu> Garbee: could you document this somewhere?
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# [18:07] <@NotTomato> There is a lot of reasons you could be using multiple namespaces, lol.
# [18:08] <@NotTomato> This wiki has a ton of custom namespaces.
# [18:08] <@Garbee> shep, We should add it to the Admin Guide we build.
# [18:08] <@NotTomato> It seems silly to not be able to search them.
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# [18:27] <mstalfoort> shepazu, im here
# [18:28] <shepazu> mstalfoort: hey, are you interested in admin status?
# [18:28] <shepazu> to help with cleanup and comments management?
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# [18:30] <mstalfoort> is that in the docs section or q&a?
# [18:30] <shepazu> both
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# [18:32] <@Garbee> Ok, does anyone know where the site heirarchy page went? I can't seem to find it.
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# [18:32] <@NotTomato> heirarchy page? like usergroup pages?
# [18:33] <@Garbee> No. There was/is a page that shows the recommended setup for URLs/content. Having trouble locating it.
# [18:33] <@NotTomato> Oh.
# [18:33] <shepazu> Garbee: moment
# [18:34] <mstalfoort> shepazu, have to go in a few minutes... ok if we talk later, say an hour or two?
# [18:34] <shepazu> mstalfoort: sure
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# [18:37] <@Garbee> Found one page with it:
# [18:37] <@Garbee> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Content/Topic_Hierarchy
# [18:37] <shepazu> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Content/Topic_Hierarchy
# [18:37] <@Garbee> Not the one I am thinking of, but still good.
# [18:37] <shepazu> dangit.
# [18:37] <@Garbee> I had to really go digging for it.
# [18:37] <shepazu> Garbee: please use this one, not the other one
# [18:37] <shepazu> the other one was more speculative
# [18:38] <@Garbee> Alrighty then.
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# [18:38] <@Garbee> Then I should edit my move candidate flag real quick...
# [18:39] <@Garbee> And the session managment is brutal. :/
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# [18:40] <@Garbee> And now I'm starting to think the HTML "tutorials" mostly fit under concepts.
# [18:41] <@Garbee> Yea, they need to be under concepts for the most part.
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# [18:44] <@Garbee> I'm thinking we need /concepts/html for things like the HTML Text page. [ http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/guides/html_text ] It doesn't fit as a tutorial according to http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Content/Tutorials_and_concept_articles .
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# [18:44] <@Garbee> Either way, they need to get out of Guide since that breaks breadcrumbs.
# [18:46] <miChou> howdy webkittens :)
# [18:46] <@NotTomato> Hi miChou.
# [18:46] <miChou> hi NotTomato :)
# [18:46] <eighty4> ok, just wrote an answer to a Q&A. http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/2291/how-to-add-lightbox-plugin-to-an-image but my answer wasn't added as a response but rather a "reply" where should I actually click to get my answer below the rest?
# [18:47] <miChou> does anyone know if WebKit's bugzilla has XMLRPC enabled or anything? I'd like to hook into it and looking for some details :)
# [18:47] <eighty4> right… theres both a comment and a reply. It's not possible to remove my reply is it?
# [18:48] <@NotTomato> eighty4, I can delete it if you want to rewrite it as a reply instead of comment.
# [18:48] <eighty4> NotTomato: great. No reason for it to be a reply
# [18:49] <@NotTomato> I deleted it for you. o;
# [18:49] <eighty4> NotTomato: shouldn't one be able to delete own comments?
# [18:49] <@NotTomato> I think so, but for some reason that feature isn't in place.
# [18:50] <@NotTomato> Just my opinion though, you can make a suggestion via bug report and write it as an enhancement or something.
# [18:50] <@Garbee> miChou, You are better off asking people who deal with that project. Do they not have their own support channel? I'm not sure of where to point you myself for that one.
# [18:50] <@Garbee> You should be able to delete your own comment.
# [18:50] <@NotTomato> miChou, you might be better off in Q&A too asking something like that.
# [18:50] <@Garbee> Just hide it first.
# [18:50] <@NotTomato> Oh, can users hide their own comments?
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# [18:50] <@NotTomato> I didn't think you could
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# [18:51] <@Garbee> I don't even think that is ontopic for the Q&A.
# [18:51] <@Garbee> Let me check though.
# [18:51] <eighty4> NotTomato: hide yes, but I'd rather delete it when I post it in the wrong place
# [18:51] <@Garbee> eighty4, Hide, then refresh and you should be able to delete.
# [18:51] <miChou> Garbee: I don't mean BugZilla in general, but actually the one that runs bugs.webkit.org :)
# [18:52] <@Garbee> miChou, Yea, we are not associated with that project. We don't know what their configuration is.
# [18:52] <miChou> Garbee: sheesh, I'm so stupid
# [18:52] <miChou> I was typing in the wrong window
# [18:52] <miChou> I was sooo sure I was talking on #webkit :))
# [18:52] <@NotTomato> Hahahaha.
# [18:53] <@Garbee> Ok then, that explains it.
# [18:53] * miChou facepalms
# [18:53] <@Garbee> I was about to ask what you thought we knew about that. :/
# [18:53] <@Garbee> I think we all have typed in the wrong room at least once.
# [18:53] <@NotTomato> At first I thought he was talking about our bug report system.
# [18:54] <@Garbee> I knew it wasn't ours. He specifically asked about webkits.
# [18:54] <@Garbee> That is what threw me off from the start.
# [18:56] <eighty4> I keep getting 404s and 503s from webplatform.org :/
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# [18:57] <@NotTomato> eighty4, I'm not getting them. ):
# [18:57] <@Garbee> eighty4, 404's are probably bad URL's being linked. 503's are probably from some server issues going on.
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# [18:57] <@Garbee> There are a handful of people having some 503 issues.
# [18:57] <eighty4> Garbee: 404s from css and such. Reloading and it's fine
# [18:57] <@Garbee> Odd. I know images are having trouble.
# [18:58] <@NotTomato> My sessions get lost a lot while editing on webplatform, if that has something to do with it.
# [18:58] <@NotTomato> Sometimes I have to edit the page twice because of it.
# [18:59] <@NotTomato> But I don't know, maybe it's an issue with my browser, do you guys lose sessions while editing?
# [18:59] <@Garbee> Nah, sessions are unrelated.
# [18:59] <@Garbee> They are just the system being retarded.
# [18:59] <eighty4> the difference between answer and comment really isn't that clear. Should be remade :/
# [18:59] <@Garbee> Ryan thinks upgrading the MW engine may help.
# [19:00] <@Garbee> eighty4, Answer = you are offering an answer, comment = you are extending someone elses answer or clerifying. Comment on question tends to mean asking for clerification of some kind.
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# [19:03] <eighty4> Garbee: Might just be me then :) me and my poor english
# [19:03] <@Garbee> You aren't the first to bring it up.
# [19:03] <@Garbee> I just really think it is mostly self-explanitory. Not too sure how we can document the use-case any better.
# [19:04] <eighty4> and there I just lost my session :)
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# [19:04] <@Garbee> Then *one* will last me like 3 hours randomly.
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# [19:05] <eighty4> My previous session was from 2-3 days ago
# [19:06] <@Garbee> Yea, the session stuff is really out of wack.
# [19:06] <@Garbee> Nothing we can really do except wait for a MW engine upgrade and hope that fixes it.
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# [19:07] <eighty4> "Is this the right place to ask this?" Good topic :D
# [19:07] <@Garbee> Is that in the Q&A now?
# [19:07] <eighty4> yeah
# [19:08] <eighty4> http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/questions?start=60
# [19:08] <eighty4> for some reason you reshowed it
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# [19:09] <@Garbee> I reshowed because it is relevant.
# [19:09] <@Garbee> Certifications are worth discussing.
# [19:09] <@Garbee> and documenting if they are worth anything.
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# [19:11] <eighty4> sure, but the title is horrible
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# [19:12] <@Garbee> Title may be horrible, but the question is valid.
# [19:12] <@Garbee> Plus it is an anonymous person, it isn't like we can ask them to rename.
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# [19:13] <@NorTomato> yay my internet sucks.
# [19:13] <@Garbee> There, I changed it.
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# [19:14] <@Garbee> At least I should have.
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# [19:17] <@Garbee> Ok, it changed that time.
# [19:18] <@Garbee> Freaking session...
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# [20:03] <@fr0zenice> evening
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# [20:25] <@Garbee> Does anyone know of any good task tracking software (open source required.)
# [20:25] <@Garbee> ?
# [20:26] <@NorTomato> Redmine?
# [20:26] <@Garbee> Ruby. :/
# [20:27] <@Garbee> I think we also need it PHP based.
# [20:28] <@Garbee> http://www.phprojekt.com/ This looks nice.
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# [20:32] <@Garbee> Just a tad too much though.
# [20:36] <sonotos> Garbee: mantis is also maybe an option
# [20:38] <@Garbee> Still looks like too much stuff. We basically need something to list tasks that users can signup to do and report they completed. Not a full on bug tracker.
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# [20:41] <sonotos> flyspray maybe, but i think the project is'nt developed anymore
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# [21:23] <chrisnager> just a test message to start off with - can anyone see this?
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# [21:23] <mstalfoort> yep :) chrisnager
# [21:23] <chrisnager> thanks mstalfoort
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# [21:30] <chrisnager> i have a proposed feature request for the future of CSS. is there a spot for something like that on webplatform.org? i posted it to www-style @ W3C
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# [21:39] <@Garbee> chrisnager, Feature requests don't currently have a place on Webplatform.org.
# [21:40] <chrisnager> alright thanks Garbee
# [21:40] <@Garbee> We are focusing on written standards in place now. In the future we may become a part of the standards creation process but not now.
# [21:40] <@Garbee> whatwg does HTML but where can people go for CSS? Anyone know?
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# [21:47] <DeviaVir> csswg?
# [21:47] <DeviaVir> http://wiki.csswg.org/
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# [21:55] <chrisnager> csswg uses the archived mailing list www-style@w3.org which is where i mentioned i submitted my CSS feature request. on a side note - i love the idea of webplatform. you guys are doing a fantastic job.
# [21:59] <@Garbee> shepazu, Is anyone moderating blog comments for spam links?
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# [21:59] <shepazu> Garbee: yes, I am
# [21:59] <shepazu> why
# [21:59] <shepazu> ?
# [21:59] <shepazu> did I miss some?
# [21:59] <@Garbee> I see two at the bottom, pretty recent.
# [22:00] <shepazu> hmmmm
# [22:00] <@Garbee> Guild Wars 2 gold (last one) and then 4th from last for WoW Gold.
# [22:00] <shepazu> huh
# [22:00] <shepazu> url?
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# [22:00] <@Garbee> http://blog.webplatform.org/2012/10/one-small-step/
# [22:01] <@Garbee> Yea, knowing which post it is helps. :/
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# [22:03] <@Garbee> The actual text looks at least human. But the links they give are pure spam and the last comment obviously didn't read. There are no real stats (if any) in the entire post.
# [22:04] <shepazu> most spam comments are actually hmans, not bots
# [22:04] <shepazu> it's cheaper to hire humans
# [22:04] <@Garbee> Yea, and better at passing spam filters.
# [22:04] <shepazu> more effective
# [22:04] <@Garbee> :P
# [22:04] <shepazu> yes
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# [22:06] <eighty4> I'm not that sure of that. Those captchas nowdays are damn hard to read
# [22:06] <@Garbee> Captchas tend to be a turn off to me tbh.
# [22:06] <@Garbee> We have better (easier) ways to tell if one is human.
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# [22:07] <eighty4> also, stop answering all Q&A questions :) You're doing such a good job I have nothing to answer
# [22:07] <@_WiZZarD> still here?
# [22:07] <shepazu> hey, _WiZZarD
# [22:07] <@Garbee> Who me?
# [22:08] <@_WiZZarD> no , shepazu ;)
# [22:08] <@_WiZZarD> :)
# [22:08] <@Garbee> I was referring to eighty4.
# [22:08] <eighty4> Garbee: you :)
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# [22:08] <@_WiZZarD> who do i need to poke to fix moderator priviliges for q&a ?
# [22:09] <@Garbee> I just see it as I allow it (if it is caught in our filter) and answer it once I make it live.
# [22:09] <@Garbee> So yea, I kinda cheat.
# [22:09] <shepazu> _WiZZarD: what's your wiki username?
# [22:09] <@_WiZZarD> it's WiZZarD (so without the _)
# [22:09] <eighty4> Garbee: the goal is to have good answers so it's not really bad
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# [22:11] <shepazu> I hereby dub thee Sir _WiZZarD, Knight of the Admin Table!
# [22:11] <@_WiZZarD> _o_
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# [22:12] <@_WiZZarD> now that should keep me busy when i'm working ;)
# [22:12] <@Garbee> Nah, everything is pretty much under control now.
# [22:13] <@_WiZZarD> more people is always better ;)
# [22:14] <@Garbee> shepazu, I see a button for the mobile theme, do you want me to set that to webplatform and see if it is good on mobile?
# [22:14] <@Garbee> Right now it is just default.
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# [22:15] <shepazu> Garbee: interesting
# [22:16] <shepazu> sure, push the button and see what it does!
# [22:17] <@Garbee> Gives me the right theme.
# [22:17] <@Garbee> Still not mobile optmized, but neither was default so we are good.
# [22:17] <@Garbee> No need for a bug report now. ;)
# [22:17] <eighty4> Garbee: will anyone actually read webplatforms from the mobile?
# [22:18] <@Garbee> eighty4, I do.
# [22:18] <@Garbee> and I can stop charging my old phone to test with.
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# [22:18] <@Garbee> Well, I do the Q&A, not the Docs.
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# [22:19] <@Garbee> AAH! We can give users a title based on the amount of points they have!
# [22:19] <@Garbee> We so need to come up with some.
# [22:20] <eighty4> I want "Slöfock"
# [22:20] <@Garbee> eighty4, So not appropriate.
# [22:20] <eighty4> Garbee: no?
# [22:20] <@Garbee> If you pronounce it like an American it is.
# [22:20] <eighty4> it's in no way an inappropriate word
# [22:21] <eighty4> oh...
# [22:21] <@Garbee> Be back in a bit.
# [22:21] <eighty4> basicly translates to slacker
# [22:23] <@_WiZZarD> lol
# [22:23] <@_WiZZarD> that's quite accurate ;)
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# [22:24] <@_WiZZarD> gimme the title "kloothommel" then ;)
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# [22:25] <eighty4> evening ckwalsh
# [22:25] <eighty4> _WiZZarD: dog head?
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# [22:36] <@_WiZZarD> not quite
# [22:36] <@_WiZZarD> :)
# [22:37] <@_WiZZarD> more like Dutch slang for asshole, but then in a nice way :)
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# [23:09] <mstalfoort> shepazu, still in da house?
# [23:10] <shepazu> hi, mstalfoort
# [23:10] <shepazu> sorry, an emergency has come up
# [23:10] <shepazu> bbiab
# [23:11] <mstalfoort> check
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# [23:41] <@Garbee> Do we really want compatability tables all over the place to be maintained? Or do we want to just have them on the element pages and not on pages like a Tutorial/Concept?
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# [23:43] <eighty4> Garbee: just links to the correct places?
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# [23:44] <@Garbee> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/guides/html_text#Compatibility --Do we want this or linking in appropriate places to the element pages?
# [23:44] <@Garbee> I'm writing an email about it now.
# [23:44] <@Garbee> I just think it will create a lot more maintenance doing it adhoc like it is now compared to centralizing the tables.
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# [23:46] <mstalfoort> ..and it expands out of the main container on smaller window
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# [23:50] <eighty4> Garbee: I vote adding links. Shouldn't http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/em have that information?
# [23:51] <@Garbee> eighty4, Yea, but we aren't that far into the elements section yet it seems.
# [23:51] <@Garbee> I literally just set the email about it.
# [23:51] <eighty4> also, shouldn't things like <big> link to http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/big?
# [23:52] <@Garbee> eighty4, That is a part of crosslinking that needs to be done.
# [23:52] <eighty4> and there my iPad *plinged* about the email
# [23:52] <@Garbee> I'm probably going to redo this whole "tutorial" section on HTML to be a good example of what to do.
# [23:52] <@mdel> speaking of compatibility, was there ever any traction on integration caniuse?
# [23:53] <eighty4> should be able to let all < element > tags autolink, no?
# [23:53] <@Garbee> I don't know on that one. Does caniuse have an API?
# [23:54] <@mdel> not sure, I just know it was brought up, and I think it's a good idea
# [23:54] <@Garbee> eighty4, I wouldn't, could possibly target things it shouldn't like code examples.
# [23:54] <eighty4> Garbee: just do it in headings?
# [23:55] <@Garbee> eighty4, That is what I was thinking, but not going into that much detail yet on it. Want to get some general feedback on centralizing the tables first.
# [23:55] <eighty4> mdel: it is. Have anyone asked http://twitter.com/Fyrd about it?
# [23:55] <mstalfoort> mdel, afaik caniuse has an api, i've seen a irc bot using it, let me see if i can find it
# [23:55] <@Garbee> They have an iframe that we could embeded.
# [23:55] <@Garbee> http://caniuse.com/#info_embed
# [23:56] <@mdel> yeah the iframe is what I was imagining, but I don't know if that would be the optimal solution
# [23:56] <@Garbee> and it is on GitHub: https://github.com/Fyrd/caniuse
# [23:56] <@Garbee> iframe wouldn't be.
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# [23:57] <@mdel> yeah i mean obviously it wouldnt be, i just didnt know if there was another option
# [23:57] <@Garbee> I honestly think caniuse integration doesn't have enough advantages. We can do our own tables once and just maintain as needed. Plus we have lots of people looking to update if needed.
# [23:57] <@mdel> im sure the api could be built into a template
# [23:58] <@mdel> i think it would be really useful... that site has tons of traffic and is already being kept at the bleeding edge of compatibility information
# [23:58] <@mdel> duplicating effort on wpd might not be the best use of time, especially with the concerns you just brought up
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# [23:58] <@mdel> about the info be scattered across a ton of pages
# [23:59] <eighty4> and if people wants to update it they can just do it at caniuse
# [23:59] <mstalfoort> e.g. http://platform.html5.org/ is using it
# [23:59] <@Garbee> mdel, That is why I'm trying to *centralize* it.
# [23:59] <@mdel> Garbee: i guess my point is that its *already* centralized somewhere else
# [23:59] <@mdel> and if we can use it, it's just one more thing that doesnt need to be updated
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