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  50. # [01:11] <osnysantos> hello guys, this channels is just to discuss about the DOCs of webplataform, right?
  51. # [01:11] <pyrotechnick> the topic is webplatform so
  52. # [01:11] <pyrotechnick> anything sufficiently related i would presume
  53. # [01:12] <osnysantos> right! thank you
  54. # [01:12] <mikekelly> I'd like to discuss what a likeable-sort-of-a-guy Ian Hickson is.
  55. # [01:12] <pyrotechnick> irc etiquette is to ask rather than ask to ask
  56. # [01:13] <pyrotechnick> if it's too off-topic we can forward you somewhere more appropriate
  57. # [01:13] <pyrotechnick> mikekelly: make a subreddit
  58. # [01:13] <pyrotechnick> you can get an entire posse going
  59. # [01:13] <mikekelly> I'm sure /shitbag is already taken
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  61. # [01:14] <mikekelly> I'm not really a reddit person though
  62. # [01:14] <pyrotechnick> you have a soul?
  63. # [01:14] <mattkelly> Garbee: is there a url I can point people to in order to contribute porting the compat spreadsheet to WPD? I'm working on a blog post and I'd like to mention it.
  64. # [01:15] <@Garbee> mattkelly, Uh, since it hasn't really come up yet I'm going to ask that we please watch the language.
  65. # [01:15] <@Garbee> I will bring it up during the telcon tomorrow though to see what exactly we will allow.
  66. # [01:15] <mattkelly> huh?
  67. # [01:16] <mattkelly> I think you mean mikekelly
  68. # [01:16] <@Garbee> Oh, wrong person.
  69. # [01:16] <@Garbee> Yea, sorry, nicks way too close and you both get the same color in my client. :/
  70. # [01:16] <mattkelly> np
  71. # [01:16] <@Garbee> um, the Compatability spreadsheet... Don't know of any place in particular.
  72. # [01:16] <@Garbee> Something we need to talk about is how we are handling those tables.
  73. # [01:16] <mikekelly> it was a typo anyway I meant to write /cooldude
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  75. # [01:17] <mattkelly> ok, for now I can just point folks to this irc channel to collaborate
  76. # [01:17] <@Garbee> I am trying to get some talking going in the Mailing List for it but there has been little response so far.
  77. # [01:17] <@Garbee> Perhaps we will discuss it during tomorrows telcon.
  78. # [01:17] <@Garbee> tomorrow's*
  79. # [01:18] <mattkelly> ok
  80. # [01:18] <mattkelly> I'm catching up from being away for the past couple of months, but will chime in soon
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  153. # [04:01] <@arkhi> Hello World
  154. # [04:04] <pyrotechnick> hi arkhi
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  169. # [04:23] <@Ryan_Lane> I've disabled uploads
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  171. # [04:24] <@Ryan_Lane> we're having an outage for image storage, due to our provider
  172. # [04:26] <@Ryan_Lane> I've worked around it, but I had to restore from backups for images
  173. # [04:26] <@Ryan_Lane> until we get our block volumes back
  174. # [04:26] <@Ryan_Lane> (which is why I disabled uploads, so that we don't lose anything uploaded, accidentally)
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  261. # [08:51] <vldcnst> Indeed.
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  488. # [17:25] <@NotTomato> Hi friends.
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  490. # [17:29] <@desbenoit> Hi NotTomato
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  495. # [17:49] <defensis> hi boys!.
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  497. # [17:49] <@desbenoit> hi!
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  502. # [17:52] <DEFENSIS> :?d
  503. # [17:52] <@Garbee> It works.
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  514. # [18:05] <@mdel> telecon?
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  517. # [18:08] <jswisher> mdel: I believe so
  518. # [18:08] <@desbenoit> @mdel I'm listening to the Music on Hold right now :)
  519. # [18:08] <jswisher> shepazu: are you the telcon "leader"?
  520. # [18:08] <@Garbee> mdel, What about it?
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  522. # [18:09] <Fukusama> hello
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  526. # [18:13] <@mdel> Garbee: wondering where the leader is :)
  527. # [18:13] <@mdel> and jamming to these island beats
  528. # [18:13] <@Garbee> That isn't for another ~12 hours.
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  530. # [18:13] <@mdel> um no
  531. # [18:13] <@Garbee> Oh what?
  532. # [18:13] <@Garbee> I read that way wrong.
  533. # [18:13] <jswisher> I thought it was shepazu, since he sent the meeting announcement
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  535. # [18:14] <@mdel> yeah same
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  537. # [18:14] <@Garbee> For some reason I thought it was *tonight* not at noon.
  538. # [18:14] <OXYGENIO> alguém do brasil?
  539. # [18:14] <@Garbee> David_Bradbury, I reread the WhatWG a few times yesterday and you are right. <cite> is for books and things not <u>.
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  543. # [18:16] <David_Bradbury> Ha, kk :) Looking through the spec will almost always reveal something interesting.
  544. # [18:16] <@desbenoit> Oh, just got a 503 on WPD
  545. # [18:16] <Fukusama> haha
  546. # [18:17] <@Garbee> I get no 503
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  548. # [18:17] * @mdel is muted, so everyone wont hear ferocious typing
  549. # [18:17] <@Garbee> I also may need to duck out of this telcon early.
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  553. # [18:19] <@Garbee> Can someone check the Q&A moderation stuff? I'm having session issues.
  554. # [18:19] <@Garbee> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Meetings
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  556. # [18:22] <jswisher> Agenda: welcome
  557. # [18:22] <@mdel> im here
  558. # [18:23] <julee> Julee @ adobe
  559. # [18:23] <@mdel> <= mike, at home today :)
  560. # [18:24] <cgoodman> craig @ adobe
  561. # [18:24] <@desbenoit> desbenoit is me (obvisously)
  562. # [18:24] <jswisher> Agenda item: editor rights and responsibilities
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  564. # [18:25] <jswisher> : http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Meetings
  565. # [18:25] <@Garbee> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Meetings
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  567. # [18:27] <jswisher> julee: question: noticed that cmills often emails the list with what he's about to do, which is helpful
  568. # [18:27] <jswisher> julee: is there a place where we can see what people are working on?
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  570. # [18:29] <jswisher> jswisher: the mailing list is good for coordination, but doesn't give a single place to look
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  572. # [18:29] <jswisher> … there's not a place for that that I know of
  573. # [18:29] <jswisher> ACTION: jswisher to create a page for activity coordination
  574. # [18:31] <julee> AGENDA: important next steps in content curation
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  576. # [18:32] <julee> Jswicher: Chris is not available this week.
  577. # [18:33] <julee> ... Hoping Cmills & shepazu were here, but they're not so next agenda item.
  578. # [18:33] <julee> AGENDA: templates
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  580. # [18:33] <julee> Jswisher: any issues?
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  583. # [18:35] <julee> desbenoit: "see also" they need to edit it themsleves to see the forum support
  584. # [18:36] <@desbenoit> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/programming/javascript/json
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  586. # [18:37] <@desbenoit> 503 - XID: 215049137
  587. # [18:37] <@desbenoit> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/programming/javascript/expressions#See_Also
  588. # [18:38] <@mdel> I can confirm that I see the See Also section, and the edit section on the backend
  589. # [18:38] <@Garbee> desbenoit, Looks like Varnish cache.
  590. # [18:38] <julee> Desbenoit: Issue has been fixed.
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  592. # [18:38] <@desbenoit> julee right
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  596. # [18:39] <julee> jswisher: this issue might come up again on other pages, having to do with varish cache?
  597. # [18:39] <julee> garbee: varnish had to do with the fiber 3 erroe posted in the irc.
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  602. # [18:40] <@Garbee> fiber 3 = 503
  603. # [18:40] <julee> Jswicher: if issues with the template, do bring them up on mailing list or irc. If it's happening frequently, we can log bugs.
  604. # [18:40] <julee> AGENDA: bug triage
  605. # [18:41] <@Garbee> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org --Bug tracker
  606. # [18:41] <julee> jswisher: We do have a component for webplatform, and people are logging bugs. What's the triage process?
  607. # [18:42] <julee> ...again, Alex's agenda item and he's not here.
  608. # [18:42] <julee> ... For infrastructure bugs, they'll have to be assigned.
  609. # [18:43] <julee> ... Anyone on the call tracking Mozilla bugs?
  610. # [18:43] <julee> Garbee: Tracking them and closing them as needed.
  611. # [18:44] <julee> jswisher: Covers the forums, etc., but others with admin acess may need to talk about other isssues.
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  613. # [18:44] <julee> ... If things come up, garbee can change status, etc.
  614. # [18:45] <julee> AGENDA: "what's on topic" for forums and IRC?
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  616. # [18:46] <julee> jswisher: people have an opinion about whether to allow general web platform discussion?
  617. # [18:47] <julee> Julee: do we have a list of resources to direct people towards right ircs, stackoverflow?
  618. # [18:48] <julee> jswisher: Maybe add a list on faq?
  619. # [18:48] <julee> Garbee: really has died down over the past week. Before we drop alpha, we should bring this back up to see if people have the resources.
  620. # [18:49] <julee> jswisher: Makes sense to give it a little time and revisit before we pass alpha.
  621. # [18:49] <cgoodman> sounds good to me
  622. # [18:50] <julee> ... But general concensus is that the forum and irc are about the site, and we should redirect people who have general web paltform questions.
  623. # [18:50] <@Garbee> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Keeping_on_Topic -- This also might need a little more attention as well.
  624. # [18:50] <@mdel> +1
  625. # [18:50] <julee> jswisher: Additons to agenda?
  626. # [18:50] <julee> Garbee: What is acceptable language in the chat room?
  627. # [18:51] <julee> jswisher: such as profanity?
  628. # [18:52] <julee> Garbee: Yes. Warning and then get...
  629. # [18:52] <julee> ... Someone, possibly joking, called someone lse an improper name.
  630. # [18:52] <julee> jswisher: We could disallow certain language, and still get poor behavior.
  631. # [18:53] <@NotTomato> Does that really need to be clarified? As long as it isn't used in a hateful way.
  632. # [18:54] <julee> julee: Someone who was harsh was reminded that we want to encourage people to participate on irc.
  633. # [18:54] <@mdel> I think its usually clear when improper language should be handled
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  635. # [18:54] <julee> jswisher: Reminded of distinction of norms vs. rules. Are we interested in having written norms?
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  638. # [18:55] <julee> Garbee: We don't need to write it down, just avow, and deal with it as it comes.
  639. # [18:55] <cgoodman> seems like the best is if the culture can develop in a way that bad behavior is not cool
  640. # [18:55] <julee> jswisher: Friendly, welcoming, and respectful? And leave it at that for now?
  641. # [18:56] <@NotTomato> Just ask yourself if it's hateful or illegal.
  642. # [18:56] <julee> jswisher: Community is already encouraging that type of behavior.
  643. # [18:56] <@mdel> also, is this channel officially English-only? (offtopic has it in the topic)
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  645. # [18:57] <@Garbee> mdel, Yes, English only here.
  646. # [18:57] <@NotTomato> I don't think so, shepazu kept removing it and saying he didn't like that.
  647. # [18:57] <julee> Cgoodman: if soemone has a question on how to edit, how are we vtting those?
  648. # [18:57] <@NotTomato> No it's not english only.
  649. # [18:57] <@mdel> ok
  650. # [18:57] <julee> jswisher: An example?
  651. # [18:57] <@Garbee> We delt with a lot of people speaking in Russian and other languages after launch. I don't think it will honestly be that big of an issue again.
  652. # [18:58] <julee> cgoodman: Having a hard time finding the getting started page. If we want more people to contribute, maybe make the getting started page more prominent on the home page.
  653. # [18:58] <@NotTomato> There is a test homepage where you can try to dazzle it up if you want.
  654. # [18:58] <@NotTomato> Just type /Test after the main page
  655. # [18:59] <@NotTomato> and try editing it to test new stuff on it.
  656. # [18:59] <cgoodman> cool -- thanks!
  657. # [18:59] <julee> jswisher: Good thing to mention on the irc, and if no response, send it to the email list, so the responsible person can make the change.
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  659. # [18:59] <julee> ... Any other issues coming up in IRC?
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  661. # [19:00] <julee> ...no other open issues. We've deferred some discussions, which we can post the the email list or bring up in 2 weeks.
  662. # [19:00] <cgoodman> thank you janet for running the meeting!
  663. # [19:00] <@mdel> jswisher: thanks!
  664. # [19:00] <julee> We'll send out notes.
  665. # [19:01] <@Garbee> I need to get a headset for these things...
  666. # [19:01] <@Garbee> Thanks gals/guys.
  667. # [19:01] <@desbenoit> thanks all.
  668. # [19:01] <Tommi_> Goodbye everyone!
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  671. # [19:02] <julee> Having a hard time in this new iPad irc app. Can someone please copy session?
  672. # [19:02] <@desbenoit> I had a question but my micro was shut down #facepalm
  673. # [19:03] <@desbenoit> Who decides to merges the pages? chrismills and I worked on a new architecture for the webdesign part and our new page is now "candidate for merging".
  674. # [19:04] <jswisher> julee: yes, working on it
  675. # [19:04] <jswisher> desbenoit: good question
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  677. # [19:05] <julee> @jswisher: Ooh. Think I got it. Emailed it to you.
  678. # [19:05] <jswisher> julee: great, thanks
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  680. # [19:05] <julee> Thanks for running the meeting!
  681. # [19:05] <@Garbee> What is up with these people and Japan this week? :/
  682. # [19:07] <jswisher> desbenoit: I'll add that to the notes as an "open question"
  683. # [19:07] <@desbenoit> thanks jswisher
  684. # [19:08] <@desbenoit> Good bye!
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  686. # [19:08] <shepazu> hi, folks, sorry, I had an emergency come up and I missed the telcon!
  687. # [19:08] <shepazu> jswisher: thanks for handling it
  688. # [19:09] <julee> Jswisher rescued us from hold-music limbo
  689. # [19:10] <@Garbee> Do you guys think that for the next telcon we could have discussion/logs relating to that in a separate room? Just for keeping logs clean. ;)
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  691. # [19:10] <shepazu> Garbee: makes sense
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  693. # [19:10] <shepazu> Garbee: if we can get a log bot in another room, like #webplatform-site, that would help
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  695. # [19:11] <@Garbee> I thought -site was depreciated...
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  697. # [19:12] <@Garbee> And since there is a bot being made on GitHub for this I stopped working on getting a supybot up.
  698. # [19:12] <shepazu> Garbee: deprecated? did I miss something?
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  702. # [19:13] <@Garbee> Yea, after the main flood of traffic left from here we pretty much stopped using -site.
  703. # [19:13] <shepazu> ok
  704. # [19:14] <@Garbee> Not too much noise in here now, so having -site makes little sense.
  705. # [19:14] <@Garbee> Perhaps when we drop Alpha it will need a comback for a while.
  706. # [19:14] <shepazu> hi, folks, again, sorry I missed it… how many people showed up?
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  708. # [19:15] <@Garbee> I think about 10 or so people. Not too sure.
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  711. # [19:16] <shepazu> ok
  712. # [19:17] <@Garbee> I almost missed it myself by 12 hours. ;)
  713. # [19:17] <@Garbee> I'm ET and misread the email by quite a ways. I was going to be around at mdnight wondering where the conference was.
  714. # [19:18] <@Garbee> midnight*
  715. # [19:18] <shepazu> heh
  716. # [19:18] <shepazu> well, you weren't the one who was supposed to be running it
  717. # [19:18] <shepazu> :P
  718. # [19:18] <@Garbee> Things happen.
  719. # [19:18] <shepazu> I thought I'd get back in time, but it all took longer than I expected
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  721. # [19:21] <@Garbee> I'm muddling through a rewrite of two of the HTML Tutorial pages. Hopefully I can get them done in a few days to propose. I think they can be broken into more concise pages and we should drop this HTML4 information that isn't needed.
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  798. # [22:43] <David_Bradbury> You guys are pretty cool
  799. # [22:44] <David_Bradbury> Just thought I'd tell you that
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  830. # [23:54] <@Garbee> shepazu, Are you around?
  831. # [23:55] <shepazu> hi, Garbee
  832. # [23:55] <shepazu> on a call
  833. # [23:55] <@Garbee> Alrighty.
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