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  1. # Session Start: Wed Oct 24 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #webplatform
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  5. # [00:06] <@Garbee> Confirming ones email before being allowed to edit the wiki is the intended flow correct?
  6. # [00:07] <shepazu> Garbee: yes
  7. # [00:07] <@Garbee> Ok, a bug can be closed then.
  8. # [00:07] <shepazu> yay!
  9. # [00:07] <shepazu> Garbee: have I mentioned how awesome you are?
  10. # [00:07] <@Garbee> shepazu, Not sure, but thanks!
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  12. # [00:07] <@Garbee> I'm digging through everything now to check up on things.
  13. # [00:08] <shepazu> reviewing and closing bugs… willingingly! you might also be insane
  14. # [00:08] <@Garbee> I have gripes with Bugzilla, but I'm also really bored right now and am tired of rewriting the HTML Text page. :/ Lesser of two evils.
  15. # [00:08] <shepazu> heh
  16. # [00:08] <@Garbee> Plus I *really* need to stay off of my PS3 for the next few days.
  17. # [00:09] <@Garbee> I have been absorbed by it the past two for some reason.
  18. # [00:09] <shepazu> heh
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  21. # [00:14] <@Garbee> Here is one Bugzilla tip though. Go into your settings and set the them to Dusk. Get rid of the blood around your eyes when reading it for a while.
  22. # [00:16] <gluxon> Bugzilla is used here?
  23. # [00:17] <@Garbee> Yea.
  24. # [00:17] <@Garbee> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org
  25. # [00:17] <@Garbee> Hosted via W3.
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  30. # [00:38] <@_WiZZarD> hm
  31. # [00:38] <@_WiZZarD> crap
  32. # [00:38] <@_WiZZarD> 0.35 allready
  33. # [00:38] * @_WiZZarD needs to stop coding when his wife goes to bed :S
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  35. # [00:39] <@_WiZZarD> cya all tomorrow
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  48. # [00:53] <@Garbee> Ryan_Lane, Have you looked into this bug yet? A fix is in their issue tracker (linked in the bug report) and upgrading Piwik to 1.9 will also solve it. https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19340 Looks like a pretty simple fix to me to get a bug cleaned out.
  49. # [00:53] <@Ryan_Lane> heh
  50. # [00:53] <@Ryan_Lane> I'm not touching that :)
  51. # [00:53] * @Ryan_Lane does infrastructure and some mediawiki stuff
  52. # [00:54] <@Ryan_Lane> I didn't do anything with piwik
  53. # [00:54] <@Garbee> Who handles the Piwik stuff?
  54. # [00:54] <@Ryan_Lane> I think it was hallo walt
  55. # [00:54] <@Garbee> I thought that would fit under the infrastructure of the site, apparently not then. :/
  56. # [00:55] <@Ryan_Lane> infrastructure is more about servers, automation, deployment, etc
  57. # [00:55] <@Garbee> Well, sorry for disturbing you for that then.
  58. # [00:55] <@Ryan_Lane> no worries
  59. # [00:55] <@Garbee> I'll comment directly on it then and hopefully get the proper persons attention to the quick fix.
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  64. # [01:02] <@Garbee> Yay, just found the button in the bugtracker to not take me to a new bug after submitting changes! :D
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  99. # [02:20] <julee> Nite
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  117. # [02:35] <@Ryan_Lane> changing image directory back to block storage
  118. # [02:36] <@Ryan_Lane> reenabling uploads
  119. # [02:37] <@Ryan_Lane> shepazu: we did lose a small number of files due to the outage
  120. # [02:37] <@Ryan_Lane> 7 files
  121. # [02:37] <@Ryan_Lane> most of which you had uploaded
  122. # [02:38] <@Ryan_Lane> we lost 3 user uploaded images
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  169. # [04:08] <shepazu> Ryan_Lane: could you point me to the list of lost files?
  170. # [04:08] <@Ryan_Lane> yep
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  172. # [04:08] <@Ryan_Lane> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:NewFiles
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  174. # [04:11] <shepazu> ok, I'll email them
  175. # [04:11] <@Ryan_Lane> cool
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  330. # [11:43] <lampe2> hey how my friends
  331. # [11:44] <pyrotechnick> hi lampe2
  332. # [11:44] <@desbenoit> hi!
  333. # [11:45] <+Sandkorn> heya!
  334. # [11:46] <lampe2> this is maybe offtopic and iam sry for that but does somebody know a good lounge/chillout radio stream to listen to when coding? you can PM me ! Thx !
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  336. # [11:52] <@_WiZZarD> there you go
  337. # [11:52] <@_WiZZarD> :)
  338. # [11:53] <@_WiZZarD> oh, and hi btw :)
  339. # [11:53] <lampe2> hi :)
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  494. # [16:33] <barbuiuliandesig> sal!
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  496. # [16:35] <barbuiuliandesig> I can and help me? in connection with a server that I want to attach a theme HTML5 site
  497. # [16:37] <@Garbee> barbuiuliandesig, We aren't doing general support currently. You may want to try asking in #web.
  498. # [16:38] <barbuiuliandesig> Thank
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  504. # [16:42] <barbuiuliandesig> helooooooo
  505. # [16:43] <lushchick> hey, you're still in #webplatform :)
  506. # [16:44] <@Garbee> People in IRC may not respond right way either. You need to wait around for people to check the rooms and see if they can help.
  507. # [16:44] <@Garbee> right away*
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  614. # [19:42] <lampe2> good evening ladies and gents
  615. # [19:43] <David_Bradbury> Mornin'
  616. # [19:43] <eighty4> Evening all
  617. # [19:44] <lampe2> i asked this today once and i got a good tip but i wanne ask it againe.
  618. # [19:45] <lampe2> iam looking for a good radio stream with chillout/lounge/easylistening music you can PM me :)
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  620. # [19:46] <@ravenzz> di.fm?
  621. # [19:46] <lampe2> ravenzz, haha i got the same tipp today :)
  622. # [19:46] <@ravenzz> eheh
  623. # [19:47] <@ravenzz> that website is quite famous I guess
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  625. # [19:48] <lampe2> yeah i got once a tipp of a france radio but i dont remeber it any more. that one was good too
  626. # [19:49] <eighty4> why not just use spotify radio? also, really really OT?
  627. # [19:49] <lampe2> eighty4, you can listen to spotify only 10 hours in a month her in germany...
  628. # [19:49] <eighty4> lampe2: if you not pay?
  629. # [19:50] <lampe2> eighty4, yes
  630. # [19:50] <lampe2> you must pay for listening more
  631. # [19:50] <eighty4> lampe2: so pay for it, well worth every cent
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  633. # [19:50] <lampe2> eighty4, i dont know i like it more to buy cds
  634. # [19:51] <lampe2> maybe iam old fashion :D
  635. # [19:51] <eighty4> given that one month costs less than a lunch you could just do both.
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  637. # [19:52] <lampe2> premium is for 9,99
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  639. # [19:53] <lampe2> maybe i will give it a shot but the music that i normaly listen to is not on spotify
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  641. # [19:54] <eighty4> lampe2: you don't need premium for the radio channels
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  643. # [19:56] <lampe2> eighty4, i can go with unlimited but if i pay 4,99 or 9,99
  644. # [19:56] <lampe2> for 9,99 i can take the music with me :)
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  646. # [19:57] <eighty4> yes you can :) I have a premium account
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  657. # [20:16] <mattkelly> it'd be interesting to have a directory like this on WPD: http://jster.net/
  658. # [20:17] <mattkelly> flip side-- paradox of choice (which I think is an issue with the web right now)
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  664. # [20:23] <mike5w3c> mattkelly: wow nice index
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  666. # [20:24] <mattkelly> (just spotted it on hacker news)
  667. # [20:26] <mattkelly> it's a nice index, but I'm not sure if I have tears of joy because of the amount of choice we have
  668. # [20:26] <mattkelly> or tears because there's too much choice these days :)
  669. # [20:27] <mike5w3c> heh
  670. # [20:28] <mike5w3c> well it's good that it sorts the libraries by how many people have starred them on GH
  671. # [20:28] <mike5w3c> though I see that means the commercial ones always end up getting sorted to the bottom
  672. # [20:28] <lampe2> i think its good to have choice but most people are hoping around to much. stick with one and use it longer then a month
  673. # [20:29] <eighty4> mattkelly: I hate that kind of pages :( Makes me realize how much I don't know
  674. # [20:29] <mattkelly> lampe2: agreed
  675. # [20:29] <mattkelly> choice is good, but I also believe in the paradox of choice-- it's pretty confusing for folks building web apps to get started these days
  676. # [20:30] <mattkelly> also, I think we might be better served if folks collaborated on a smaller collection of high quality projects, rather than a bunch of (probably) mediocre projects
  677. # [20:30] <eighty4> mattkelly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hick's_law
  678. # [20:30] <lampe2> mattkelly, yes webapps are geting complexer und complexer and there are standards but there are to many :)
  679. # [20:32] <lampe2> and the most frameworks are to big i think they do to many things
  680. # [20:33] <@Garbee> I like Bootstrap because it is pretty lightweight.
  681. # [20:33] <lampe2> Garbee, twitter bootstrap ?
  682. # [20:33] <@Garbee> Yup. Twitter is getting dropped soon.
  683. # [20:33] <@Garbee> They are making Bootstrap into its own organization.
  684. # [20:34] <lampe2> okay but i dont think that its lightwight. i like http://foundation.zurb.com/ more :)
  685. # [20:35] <@Garbee> lampe2, You do realize Zurb and Bootstrap basically equal each other in features right?
  686. # [20:36] <lampe2> Garbee, maybe but i dont come along with bootstrap i dont know why :D
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  688. # [20:36] <@Garbee> So saying you like Zurb more because it is more lightweight is like saying you like a 0.2 oz playing card more than a 0.2 oz sheet of paper.
  689. # [20:36] <lampe2> :)
  690. # [20:37] <lampe2> its just my feeling
  691. # [20:37] <@Garbee> I know a guy that loves both so much he is basically making one framework that is both of them.
  692. # [20:37] <@Garbee> You can pick and chose what parts of each you want on the fly
  693. # [20:37] <lampe2> haha cool
  694. # [20:38] <@Garbee> Personally I think he is sick in the head...
  695. # [20:38] <lampe2> lol
  696. # [20:39] <lampe2> its a little bit crazy
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  699. # [20:39] <@Garbee> I can't find the GitHub repo for it anymore. I think he might have hidden it.
  700. # [20:39] <eighty4> Garbee: Isn't foundation and bootstrap more or less the same thing?
  701. # [20:39] <@Garbee> eighty4, Yes they are.
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  703. # [20:40] <@Garbee> They each have one or two little things the other doesn't it seems. and Zurb is built differently than Bootstrap iirc. He likes to pick and chose certain parts for certain projects but have it all available in dev. Dude is just crazy imho.
  704. # [20:41] <eighty4> sounds like it :)
  705. # [20:41] <lampe2> and it will be not easy to get it working good...
  706. # [20:41] <David_Bradbury> Meh, I'm not a huge bootstrap fan - I would be fine if they changed like... 4 or 5 problems I have with it.
  707. # [20:42] <@Garbee> David, Have you put them into the issue tracker to be looked over?
  708. # [20:43] <@Garbee> lampe2, It is actually super easy to get working good. All you do is change the import from zurb to bootstrap or visa-versa and you get the other CSS.
  709. # [20:43] <lampe2> Garbee, yes but isent he trzing to mix the features ?
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  711. # [20:44] <@Garbee> No, just pick the ones he likes best for the project.
  712. # [20:44] <lampe2> ahhh okay
  713. # [20:44] <@Garbee> Mixing features would basically be pointless.
  714. # [20:44] <lampe2> i thought he want to mix the features
  715. # [20:44] <David_Bradbury> Garbee: I've thought about it - But their blog has addressed most of those issues, and we simply disagree.
  716. # [20:44] <lampe2> Garbee, yes it would be :)
  717. # [20:44] <@Garbee> David, You mind putting them into -offtopic to chat about? I'd love to know what your issues are.
  718. # [20:45] <David_Bradbury> Kk
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  781. # [22:19] <harryrf`> Does anyone here know why new Date(2025, 0, 0); outputs Dec 1 2024 in JavaScript? And how do I fix it to make it output Jan 1 2025?
  782. # [22:20] <@Garbee> harryrf, You may be better off asking in ##javascript or #web.
  783. # [22:21] <harryrf`> Okay thanks, are we okay to ask that stuff here, for future reference?
  784. # [22:23] <@Garbee> harryrf, Not at this time.
  785. # [22:23] <mstalfoort> harryrf, the 3rd param should be 1 and not
  786. # [22:23] <mstalfoort> 0
  787. # [22:23] <@Garbee> We decided during the telcon to get people where they can get help for things like that atm and focus on documentation. We will revisit that discussion before alpha drops.
  788. # [22:23] <harryrf`> mstalfoort: Thanks, fixed
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  790. # [22:24] <mstalfoort> \o/
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  806. # [22:43] <@Garbee> Should we do inline linking within the documentation or do reference numbers to a "See also" section at the bottom of the page?
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  812. # [22:54] <harryrf`> mstalfoort: Can I quickly PM you?
  813. # [22:54] <harryrf`> Garbee: Why not both?
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  815. # [22:54] <@Garbee> We should keep things uniform.
  816. # [22:55] <@Garbee> Just like code the site needs to look as if it were written by one person.
  817. # [22:55] <@Garbee> We shouldn't have inline links and see also sections unless there is no real proper place to inline link other content to see on external resources.
  818. # [22:55] <@Garbee> I probably need to explain more about *what* is being linked.
  819. # [22:55] <David_Bradbury> The biggest issue I have with "See also" is that it drives me away from what I'm reading
  820. # [22:56] <harryrf`> I was also thinking that
  821. # [22:56] <@Garbee> Well it really wouldn't. It is just if you want to read more, then go to the bottom of the page and get the link.
  822. # [22:56] <David_Bradbury> Versus a direct link, where I can middle-click for a new tab and then come back to it
  823. # [22:57] <David_Bradbury> I would argue that often times, I will be half way through a paragraph reading something, middle click to read up on the reference, then close the tab to continue right where I was
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  825. # [22:57] <David_Bradbury> Versus having to do any scrolling and having to find my place again
  826. # [23:00] <harryrf`> As he said, maybe inline linking would be best
  827. # [23:02] <@Garbee> I would prefer myself though that inline would be for internal and external links would be a See Also section.
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