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- # [00:06] <@Garbee> Does anyone know what IA referrs to in this bug report? https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19342
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- # [00:20] <gluxon> Garbee: Iowa? :D
- # [00:20] <@Garbee> haha
- # [00:20] <@Garbee> Nice try, but I don't think so.
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- # [01:14] <@Garbee> shepazu: Do you know how I could get onto this public-webplatform-bug email list? It seems to get updates on any changes and I would like to get them.
- # [01:15] <@Garbee> Ah, nvm. Just found it on the W3 mailing list listing. Looks to be the same as the main list to join.
- # [01:16] <@Garbee> Funny, I look for that half the day and find it 90 seconds after asking. :P
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- # [02:21] <@arkhi> Hoola
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- # [02:29] <metasansana> hoops
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- # [03:00] * @Garbee facepalms.
- # [03:00] <@Garbee> Y no edit comment in Bugzilla!
- # [03:01] <@Garbee> Messed up a their vs there but only caught it as I submitted it.
- # [03:01] <linoespinoza> sup guys, finally i managed to install some irc client on mac lol.
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- # [03:46] <@Garbee> Note to anyone on the bug mailing list: I am sorry for blowing up your inboxes.
- # [03:46] <@Garbee> That should be a singular inbox not pluaral...
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- # [07:57] <konza> divya, hey pm?
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- # [09:08] <@Grephix> Mornin'
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- # [09:11] <@arkhi> Hola Grephix
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- # [09:31] <_WiZZarD> good morning
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- # [09:32] <@Sandkorn> Goood Morning!
- # [09:32] <@ravenzz> morning
- # [09:32] <@Grephix> Hi Sandkorn
- # [09:32] <@Grephix> _WiZZarD
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- # [09:32] <@Sandkorn> :-)
- # [09:34] <_WiZZarD> :)
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- # [09:54] <@chrismills> Good morning!
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- # [09:56] <@Grephix> hi chrismills!
- # [09:56] <@chrismills> Hey Grephix. How are things?
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- # [09:58] <@Grephix> Been rather busy the past few weeks
- # [09:58] <@Grephix> Had quite a list of things that needed to get done around the house
- # [09:58] <@Grephix> You?
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- # [10:17] <@arkhi> Hey chrismills _WiZZarD ravenzz et alii… :)
- # [10:18] <_WiZZarD> morning arkhi :)
- # [10:18] <@chrismills> Grephix: I'm not bad at all. Currently at the W3C TPAC meeting in Lyon
- # [10:18] <@chrismills> hey arkhi!
- # [10:19] <@chrismills> So I'll be working a bit more slowly than usual
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- # [10:19] <@Grephix> hi arkhi
- # [10:20] <@chrismills> I'm currently observing the WebRTC WG meeting, which is … very technical ;-)
- # [10:20] <@Grephix> chrismills: nice! :)
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- # [10:20] <@Grephix> Hehe, i can see that. Great priorities mate ;-)
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- # [10:21] <eighty4> Morning all people! Time for a new great week!
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- # [10:24] <@arkhi> Hola desbenoit
- # [10:24] <@desbenoit> Salut arkhi!
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- # [11:24] <@Garbee> Hey Chris.
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- # [11:28] <@Grephix> Hi Garbee
- # [11:29] <@Garbee> I have seen something around about importing W3 content and possible license issues. Does anyone know what I may be thinking of?
- # [11:33] <mike5w3c> Garbee: yeah I know something about that
- # [11:33] <mike5w3c> there was a discussion on the mailing list
- # [11:33] <mike5w3c> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2012Oct/0164.html
- # [11:33] <@Garbee> Ah, ok. I will search that then mike. Trying to follow up on a bug report on their cotnent.
- # [11:33] <mike5w3c> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2012Oct/0165.html
- # [11:33] <mike5w3c> OK
- # [11:34] <@Garbee> Ah, thanks for the exact links I need.
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- # [15:05] <_WiZZarD> chrismills: are you also wearing one of them "glow in the dark"-red tees ?
- # [15:05] <@chrismills> eh? ;-)
- # [15:05] <_WiZZarD> saw one from the w3c twitter feed : http://ow.ly/i/14o1R
- # [15:06] <_WiZZarD> :)
- # [15:06] <@chrismills> I do have one, but I'm not wearing it yet ;-)
- # [15:07] <_WiZZarD> :)
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- # [17:11] <@paul_irish> okay i made my first brand new page!
- # [17:11] <@paul_irish> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/apis/timing/properties/memory
- # [17:11] <@paul_irish> its ugly
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- # [17:15] <@Garbee> Cool.
- # [17:15] <David_Bradbury> Nah - Though I was wondering. Are we going by any style guide when writing examples, etc?
- # [17:15] <@Garbee> I have actually started thinking we should just build a syntax highlighter for the sites example code using prism.
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- # [17:16] <@Garbee> Style guides have been talked about. Nothing in the ML for a while.
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- # [17:18] <@Garbee> As far as JS goes I have told some to preliminarily use jQuery's style guide since that is the one they liked over idiomatic JS.
- # [17:18] <@Garbee> HTML I think we should just use Google's guide there, perhaps even for CSS too.
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- # [17:19] <Plume> People, is there a way to subscribe to comments feed?
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- # [17:21] <@NotTomato> ):
- # [17:22] <@NotTomato> That would be awesome.
- # [17:22] <David_Bradbury> I would agree, though I would suggest that we go primarily by idiomatic instead of jQuery. I will admit I have a personal bias against referencing jQuery simply because I don't want people who are learning JavaScript to learn jQuery instead. But that may not be relevant.
- # [17:22] <@Garbee> Plume: Comments as in comments being put on the Docs?
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- # [17:22] <Plume> "I don't want people who are learning JavaScript to learn jQuery instead." Agreed.
- # [17:22] <@Garbee> jQuery's style guide is not for jquery code but writing jquery itself iirc.
- # [17:22] <Plume> Garbes: Yes.
- # [17:22] <gluxon> Plume: I thought jQuery was a JavaScript library?
- # [17:23] <@NotTomato> Plume, it's possible to watch pages, not comments.
- # [17:23] <@Garbee> Plume: Not atm. Actually there is talk of doing away with the current comment system too atm.
- # [17:23] <David_Bradbury> I understand that - But I believe that if we are referencing that, it may confuse people who aren't familiar with that.
- # [17:23] <Plume> gluxon: Yes, it is. But a lot of people do not make the difference.
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- # [17:24] <gluxon> Plume: Right, so how can you learn jQuery instead of JavaScript? That statement doesn't really make sense to me.
- # [17:24] <@Garbee> David, the style guide is for content authors, not anything for the people reading to know.
- # [17:25] <Plume> Thanks Garbee. Also, there is a link/button missing to subscribe to blog entries feed.
- # [17:25] <@Garbee> Plume: Known. Bug report has already been filed for it.
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- # [17:25] <Plume> Garbee: Okay ^^ Sorry!
- # [17:25] <@Garbee> Plume: It is fine, just don't go filing another bug report for it. If you do that then I will be upset.
- # [17:26] <@Garbee> I went through a crapton of bugs last night.
- # [17:26] <mollydotcom> I have a question regarding general etiquette. I was looking through History docs yesterday and the tone describing the work of the Web Standards Project was kind of snarky. The story, and the people, are much more interesting and positive than that. As former group lead, is it appropriate for me to get in there and make those corrections?
- # [17:26] <Plume> Garbee: Actually, I still didn't notice there was a bug tracker :-º
- # [17:26] <@Garbee> Still have quite a few to get to.
- # [17:26] <@Garbee> Hosted by W3 currently. https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=webplatform.org
- # [17:27] <@Garbee> mollydotcom: Which history doc?
- # [17:27] <mollydotcom> let me get the URL for ya
- # [17:27] <David_Bradbury> I already mentioned that I am aware of that. "I understand that - But I believe that if we are referencing that, it may confuse people who aren't familiar with that." gluxon - You'd be surprised how many people think jQuery is its own language and "Isn't JavaScript"
- # [17:28] <Plume> gluxon: Actually, beginners do not learn a language, they just learn how to use jQuery. They do not get the principle of Prototype languages, or any Javascript's specifities.
- # [17:28] <mollydotcom> Garbee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/internet_and_web/the_history_of_the_web
- # [17:28] <Plume> (Sorry for the mistakes I might do, I am not used to speak/write english :D)
- # [17:28] <@Garbee> I haven't learned any JS yet because I don't have the need to.
- # [17:28] <mollydotcom> there's a lot of stuff in there I'd like to correct/expand
- # [17:28] <@NotTomato> mollydotcom, I think it's snarky too, you can clean it up, pages are meant to be unbias.
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- # [17:29] <@Garbee> Wow, grammar has gone to hell in this page.
- # [17:30] <Plume> Thanks Garbee for the Bug Tracker's URL.
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- # [17:30] <@NotTomato> i'm a little confused as to why we even need that page.
- # [17:30] <mollydotcom> NotTomato: I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels that way. The problem is, of course I have a bias - hence my question. I have a lot of great info though, including plenty of links, significant people, even photographs of some of us with Bill Gates when we formed the Microsoft Task Force. Can I include that stuff even though it includes me?
- # [17:31] <@Garbee> NotTomato: It is just informational on how the web began. The content can be useful to some. Not sure how it fits under a concept though.
- # [17:31] <@NotTomato> Oh yeah, it's fine. The tone should be in a light that isn't negative or positive.
- # [17:31] <mollydotcom> We need the history
- # [17:32] <@NotTomato> I just don't see what it has to do with web development, if you wanted to look up history of the Internet, well that's almost everywhere (Wikipedia, etc.)
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- # [17:32] <@Garbee> mollydotcom: I'd say include it and if something becomes an issue we will deal with it appropriately.
- # [17:32] <mollydotcom> well, let me put it this way - I talk to web devs all the time who don't know who TBL is, or what the difference between the Internet and the Web is, and why it was created
- # [17:32] <mollydotcom> these are fundamentals ALL web devs should know!
- # [17:32] <@Garbee> NotTomato: I have reasons for wanting that content, but I can't say what that reason is right now. ;)
- # [17:33] <David_Bradbury> I don't see an issue with that personally - You seem like someone who has enough discretion, and if it feels overboard, we can always change it @ mollydotcom :P
- # [17:33] <@Garbee> Other than my personal agenda, for beginners wanting to learn, we should have it.
- # [17:33] <@NotTomato> Oh yeah that's right, admins keep secrets from each other. (;
- # [17:33] <mollydotcom> Garbee NotTomato exactly :D
- # [17:34] <@NotTomato> l;
- # [17:34] <mollydotcom> David - thanks. I'll be sure to cite and document - and I won't get to it for a while but I felt it was something I could help with and will be useful not just for beginners
- # [17:34] <@paul_irish> hey mollydotcom!
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- # [17:34] <mollydotcom> hey paul_irish! *smoochies*
- # [17:34] <@Garbee> Get a room? ...
- # [17:34] <mollydotcom> lol
- # [17:34] <Plume> :D
- # [17:35] <@Garbee> ##paul_irish&molleydotcom must be open.
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- # [17:35] <mollydotcom> I just haven't seen him in a long time. Would you tell your Mom to get a room? Bad boys, bad boys, watcha gonna do?
- # [17:36] * mollydotcom has a chuckle at the youngsters
- # [17:36] <@paul_irish> mollydotcom: this content was originally written over here http://www.w3.org/wiki/The_history_of_the_Web by chrismills and karl
- # [17:36] <@paul_irish> but yeah. edit away!
- # [17:36] <@Garbee> mollydotcom: I have told my parents to go to their room before.
- # [17:36] <mollydotcom> It's so snarky about WaSP! Considering they have both contributed so much to it. I'll have to have a word or two with 'em ;)
- # [17:37] <karlcow> paul_irish: I think it's more something coming from the curriculum and then put on the wiki by chris and I and reedited a bit
- # [17:37] <karlcow> and yes it needs more editing
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- # [17:37] <mollydotcom> hi Karl!
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- # [17:38] <karlcow> here you are http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/2-the-history-of-the-internet-and-the-w/
- # [17:38] <karlcow> Hi mollydotcom :)
- # [17:38] <mollydotcom> karl: that makes sense. It definitely seems like it was somewhat biased and some polishing went into it. I'll flatten the tone and add updated info over the next weeks a
- # [17:38] <mollydotcom> thanks Karlcow!
- # [17:40] <@paul_irish> hey karlcow! cool cool
- # [17:41] <gates> :o
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- # [18:16] <@NorTomato> what sucks more is having to push the save button twice everytime you edit. ;;
- # [18:16] <@Garbee> We know.
- # [18:16] <@NorTomato> I know everyone else knows.
- # [18:16] <@Garbee> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19754
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- # [18:21] <@NorTomato> Garbee, is CSS disabled on the site? Like user CSS.
- # [18:21] <@NorTomato> I wanted to make a new template but it seems like no CSS works.
- # [18:22] <jackolant> You shouldn't have a login/registration wall to edit articles. The edits do NOT need to go live directly like on Wikipedia (where they get reverted immediately anyway).
- # [18:23] <jackolant> Any edit by an untrusted person (which is a guest or a registered user who is not truly trusted) should go into some kind of "pending" section.
- # [18:23] <say2joe> you may have a point…. and maybe it'll be removed in a future release.
- # [18:23] <David_Bradbury> That... Is a very aggressive way to start your argument.
- # [18:23] <jackolant> Where a trustee gets to decide if it should go live.
- # [18:23] <jackolant> David_Bradbury: ?
- # [18:24] <diamonds> that adds a potential bottleneck at the edit step, fwiw
- # [18:24] <David_Bradbury> That just seemed to come off that way. Anyways - I do agree. We have a similar process for the QA section, but I'm not sure how much backlog that might cause
- # [18:24] <@NorTomato> jackolant, for some reason everyone really dislikes anonymous edits, I tried talking about it with the e-mailing list once and got shot down instantly.
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- # [18:25] <@NorTomato> They said users should have "identities" when editing the wiki, because that is important for some reason? I didn't really understand why everyone hated it.
- # [18:25] <jackolant> David_Bradbury: I stopped saying "hi" and all that stupid social nonsense online a long time ago. I get to the point.
- # [18:25] <jackolant> NorTomato: They must misunderstand how things truly work.
- # [18:25] <@NorTomato> I think they do.
- # [18:25] <jackolant> There is zero reason to require such a thing, because the edits would not go live anyway.
- # [18:25] <diamonds> given the spotty nature of many JS docs, I think it's useful to know who wrote an article.
- # [18:25] <@NorTomato> But they rarely listen so I don't bother asking anymore.
- # [18:25] <diamonds> not that I check the editors of MDN docs... I just take them with a grain of salt :)
- # [18:26] <jackolant> Isn't the important part to know who *accepted it*?
- # [18:26] <David_Bradbury> Ideally, people will create identities, but you're assuming they want to continually make future improvements. It isn't worth it for only one edit.
- # [18:26] <jackolant> The person who accepts it should be responsible for any errors.
- # [18:26] <diamonds> it's a MOZ conspiracy to make people get browserid :)
- # [18:26] <jackolant> The person submitting it do them a favour only.
- # [18:26] <David_Bradbury> Hah
- # [18:26] <jackolant> *does
- # [18:26] <@Garbee> You need to be a registered user in order to edit with a validated email address.
- # [18:27] <jackolant> Yes... that's the premise/problem.
- # [18:27] <@NorTomato> That's not what we're talking about Garbee.
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- # [18:27] <say2joe> Speaking of which… is there anyone here who can point me to a good article on the site to contribute to edits … i've been trying to figure out how to contribute to grammatical edits and such for awhile now. I just want to see a list of recent articles that need a review… what's the best way to do that?
- # [18:28] <@Garbee> Ah, I missed the n't on shouldn't.
- # [18:28] <David_Bradbury> I think I'd like to see a discussion and vote on things like anonymous edits.
- # [18:28] <@NorTomato> Well the discussion took place on the e-mail list.
- # [18:28] <@NorTomato> There was no vote.
- # [18:28] <@NorTomato> Just a bunch of people telling me it was a stupid idea.
- # [18:29] * David_Bradbury goes to look at the mailing list
- # [18:29] <@Garbee> Yea, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2012Oct/ and do a find for Anonymous to highlight the subject lines dealing with it. Each highlight is right.
- # [18:29] <@Garbee> There are a handful of responses.
- # [18:31] <David_Bradbury> Hmm. I disagree with some of their reasoning. I think I might bring it up again and address previous points discussed.
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- # [18:31] <@Garbee> Look at the Q&A though. It was opened with anonymous submissions and got pummelled by spam and other nonsense. Why the hell would we want to open the docs themselves up to that kind of abuse? I understand the logic of wanting to be open and trustful, but even with bots, filters, and admins looking over it having anonymous edits is just asking for a big overhead.
- # [18:32] <@NorTomato> lololol
- # [18:32] <@NorTomato> yeah for one day.
- # [18:32] <@NorTomato> it was plauged with spam
- # [18:32] <@NorTomato> with the site launched.
- # [18:32] <David_Bradbury> Well, the idea is that those edits would be approved - Not just going live when saved.
- # [18:33] <@Garbee> David, that still means someone needs to be watching all edits constantly. So holding them back actually adds more work by making it to where they need approval.
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- # [18:33] <@NorTomato> Just like..
- # [18:33] <@NorTomato> how we don't already watch comments constantly?
- # [18:34] <@Garbee> The comment system is being discussed atm.
- # [18:34] <diamonds> person1 edits docX
- # [18:34] <David_Bradbury> And like the QA system :)
- # [18:34] <diamonds> person2 edits docX
- # [18:34] <@Garbee> I'm pushing to get rid of it in favor of a bugtracking system to handle it all.
- # [18:34] <diamonds> person1 wants to add something to her edit
- # [18:34] <diamonds> can person1 access the pending edit?
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- # [18:34] <diamonds> how will it merge with person2s edit?
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- # [18:34] <diamonds> this is arguably an edge case but still
- # [18:34] <@Garbee> diamonds: Most likely not.
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- # [18:35] <diamonds> so that's an issue with pending edits
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- # [18:35] <say2joe> Looks like a poll may not be a bad idea (for this topic and others). Maybe a poll could be introduced (on webplatform.org) for visitors to the site which asks one prelevant question (like anonymous edits) per week. Would possibly generate greater retention by the community.
- # [18:36] <@Garbee> I am heading out, will be reading the logs ofc.
- # [18:36] <@Garbee> Y'all have fun.
- # [18:36] <David_Bradbury> Later Garbee!
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- # [18:39] <David_Bradbury> And I think a poll would be nice. Just tossing this out here, but I think having a meta-QA section that only discusses QA questions regarding Web Platform would be nice. Possibly featuring additional things like polls, etc...
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- # [18:47] <@fr0zenice> say2joe: theoretically every article flagged with a "grammar/spelling" issue should be listed here (it's empty at the moment though): http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Special:SearchByProperty?title=Special%3ASearchByProperty&property=Content+quality+flag&value=Grammar%2FSpelling
- # [18:48] <@fr0zenice> if you just want a list of recent activity there's: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?namespace=0&title=Special%3ARecentChanges
- # [18:49] <@fr0zenice> for more general info there's: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started
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- # [19:10] <say2joe> fr0zenice: I had already read the relevant articles (a couple weeks back when I registered). It appears the relevant issue is that the list is empty … thanks for the advice though!
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- # [21:43] <diamonds> is MSFT supporting webplatform?
- # [21:43] <diamonds> I mean what is this http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/hh770795.aspx
- # [21:43] <diamonds> I can't even figure out how to access a property of a StaticNodeList
- # [21:44] <diamonds> array style? idk
- # [21:44] <@Garbee> MSFT is a Steward and they did allow some of their content to be imported.
- # [21:44] <@Garbee> diamonds: This looks very specific to developing for Windows 8 using WinRT.
- # [21:45] <@Garbee> That is out of the scope of our documentation. You should probably check MSDN's forums and see if anyone there has any information to offer.
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- # [21:48] <@Garbee> Perhaps this search could be of some help: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Search/en-US/?Refinement=112&query=StaticNodeList
- # [21:48] <Jayflux> How is the documentation getting on Garbee?
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- # [22:01] <@Garbee> paul_irish: Who should we point to about getting a stylesheet updated? Or should I just throw it into the Mailing List for anyone who has access to see?
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- # [22:03] <@Garbee> Actually, it is trivial so it can wait until the code is on some kind of open repository for a patch. I will just need to make note of these bugs to patch them once that open sup.
- # [22:03] <@Garbee> opens up*
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- # [22:11] <David_Bradbury> Is the code going to be put up on github/etc at any point?
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- # [22:15] <@Garbee> At some point it will be in a repository somewhere.
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- # [22:15] <@Garbee> iirc Ryan is setting it up on gerrit with a clone on GitHub.
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- # [22:57] <bloof> sup guys can we make hte subpages section at the top of all these pages collapsable or somehting
- # [22:57] <bloof> thx
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- # [23:03] <@Garbee> bloof: Could you point to an example? I don't quite get what you mean by subpages section.
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- # [23:04] <bloof> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements
- # [23:05] <@Garbee> Ah, the tables.
- # [23:05] <bloof> content is below this huge list
- # [23:05] <@Garbee> Yea, they are a point that needs to be worked on.
- # [23:05] <bloof> or maybe moved to below see also
- # [23:06] <@Garbee> It doesn't fit under See Also since they are part of the main content of the page.
- # [23:06] <bloof> well not under see also
- # [23:06] <bloof> beneath it
- # [23:06] <bloof> still titled subpages
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- # [23:06] <@Garbee> I would honestly sign up for the Mailing List [ http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/ ] and throw some of your ideas in there and see what response you get.
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- # [23:07] <@Garbee> See Also should always be the last section. So it could go just above it.
- # [23:07] <bloof> dear lord what is this
- # [23:07] <@Garbee> What is what?
- # [23:07] <bloof> yeah either way collapsable would be nice IMO
- # [23:07] <bloof> mail list
- # [23:07] <bloof> seems antiquated
- # [23:07] <@Garbee> I can say that I am not dealing with those tables and how they are structured. That is up to others to decide since I really don't care myself.
- # [23:07] <bloof> word
- # [23:08] <@Garbee> antiquated, but still a *great* way to communicate.
- # [23:08] <@Garbee> btw, Your first post *may* get stuck in the system. If you don't see it in ~24 hours being posted *after* you authorize to W3 to archive the emails then please drop in and let us know so we can have it manually taken care of.
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- # [23:09] <bloof> hm ok
- # [23:09] <@Garbee> That is a known thing that has been happening, hopefully it is getting looked into.
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- # [23:09] <David_Bradbury> Oh, speaking of which, I don't think my first reply has hit the mailing list yet
- # [23:09] <David_Bradbury> But it hasn't been 24 hours, so we'll see
- # [23:07] <@Garbee> The tables were actually mentioned in the Intro video of something to be worked on. http://youtu.be/w67HK_KM7UA
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- # [23:07] <@Garbee> David, Roughly how long ago did you authorize the archiving?
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- # [23:08] <David_Bradbury> 4 hours? Not that long. I don't think I'd worry about it yet.
- # [23:09] <@Garbee> Yea. If I don't have it in the morning I will try to get in touch with someone who can either do it manually or get someone who can.
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- # [23:15] <bloof> % increase in spam after email is published to this list?
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- # [23:16] <@Garbee> bloof: I don't understand what you are trying to ask.
- # [23:16] <@Garbee> ^^android voice.
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- # [23:17] <bloof> just assuming spambots will scour that list and ill get all kinda of pill mails
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- # [23:17] <@Garbee> It is possible. I haven't received any spam yet.
- # [23:18] <David_Bradbury> I'd argue you're safer putting your e-mail out on one of this lists than signing up for most websites
- # [23:18] <bloof> most sites dont publish the email to a public facing page
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- # [23:23] <eighty4> David_Bradbury: I would as well
- # [23:24] <David_Bradbury> bloof: Most people who are farming e-mail addresses would consider farming the w3 a waste of time. There are much better targets out there - Like having people sign up for a 'free' service and selling the e-mails out to everyone
- # [23:24] <@Garbee> bloof: So? That doesn't stop them from selling the information to other companies to send you junk email.
- # [23:25] <@Garbee> Half the shopping sites I sign up for and give an email address probably sell my email address.
- # [23:26] <eighty4> Got a really funny spam from "twitter" today. Some girl asking if she could republish an image from my twitter. No idea why they'd sent such an email...
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- # [23:34] <@Grephix> Garbee: that's the reason I use a catchall subdomain ;)
- # [23:35] <@Grephix> domain_com@accounts.mydomain.nl
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- # [23:37] <@Garbee> http://youtu.be/3i4dtgh3ym0 --Just found this gem. *Love* some of the stuff I see.
- # [23:39] <bloof> true
- # [23:40] <David_Bradbury> The inline JS makes me sad though
- # [23:41] <@Garbee> I'm sure that can be extrapolated when it is put out.
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- # [23:41] <eighty4> Garbee: he's styled sublime wrong
- # [23:41] <@Garbee> eighty4: How so?
- # [23:41] <eighty4> Garbee: ugly big tabs :/
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- # [23:41] <David_Bradbury> For sure, I'm sure that was just kind of tossed together for an example. It's awesome stuff, it just rubs me wrong :p
- # [23:42] <@Garbee> eighty4: It looks to be default stylings on all the software.
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- # [23:42] <eighty4> Garbee: yeah, I noticed. Ugly.
- # [23:42] <@Garbee> David_Bradbury: It can rub you wrong all it wants. The tech it demonstrates is amazing.
- # [23:42] <David_Bradbury> Oh completely
- # [23:42] <David_Bradbury> It's my web tech, and I want it now!
- # [23:44] <@fr0zenice> "and this little bit of styling"... 90 lines of CSS, oh Alex :D
- # [23:44] <@Garbee> 90 lines is kinda little.
- # [23:44] <@fr0zenice> there are only 5 icons!
- # [23:45] <@Garbee> There is also the titlebar and the bar at the bottom of the screen.
- # [23:45] <@Garbee> You guys are looking way too much into the actual code/programs and not enough at the *technology*. That is the part that is making me drool.
- # [23:46] <@Garbee> WTF is that anyways? OOP for the web?
- # [23:46] <David_Bradbury> I know, I completely go you :) I'm just being annoying. I really want components.
- # [23:47] <David_Bradbury> I've actually been working on a side project coincidentally called CSS Components that does something very similar
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- # [23:48] <David_Bradbury> And apparently polyfills are already going
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- # [23:59] <h8h> hey folks, need help, issue between Doctype HTML and XHTML
- # [23:59] <h8h> http://www.chomeyer.de/Buchungskalender/
- # [23:59] <h8h> http://www.chomeyer.de/Buchungskalender/admin.php
- # [23:59] <h8h> Same site, different views :(
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