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  9. # [00:08] <@Garbee> h8h, You may want to try asking in #html for support.
  10. # [00:08] <h8h> thx
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  14. # [00:09] <@Garbee> Sorry to put you off like that. We are trying to use this room to focus on our documentation at this point. Perhaps it would make a good topic to cover somewhere though.
  15. # [00:10] <@Garbee> Honestly though as far as I know unless you need quirks mode you should be using the HTML5 doctype at this point.
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  18. # [00:13] <h8h> ok html5 doctype even fails, so i check my two html outputs html and xhtml / html5 and it's the same code!! But both look different!
  19. # [00:14] <@Grephix> Garbee: isn't the html doctype alone enough these days?
  20. # [00:14] <@Grephix> <!doctype html>
  21. # [00:14] <wpdbot> I'm sorry, Grephix, I do not understand "doctype".
  22. # [00:15] <@fr0zenice> that actually *is* he "html5 doctype" :)
  23. # [00:15] <@fr0zenice> *the
  24. # [00:16] <@Grephix> Hadn't it been around even before HTML5 became as widely implemented as it is today?
  25. # [00:16] <h8h> but why do layouts failing by chaning doctype :D fuuuuu
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  28. # [00:19] <hooloovoo> ummm is there still support in this channel?
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  31. # [00:19] <hooloovoo> like general webby stuff support?
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  33. # [00:20] <@Grephix> hooloovoo: try either #web or #html for general webby stuff support ;)
  34. # [00:20] <hooloovoo> Grephix: thanks =)
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  36. # [00:21] <@Grephix> welcome!
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  125. # [02:33] <@paul_irish> Garbee: stylesheet changes have to go through lea or shepazu right now
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  151. # [02:58] <@arkhi> Good morning!
  152. # [03:00] <harryrf> It's been decided that PHP will be part of the tutorials?
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  159. # [03:07] <@arkhi> harryrf: Hello. What are you refering to?
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  161. # [03:09] <harryrf> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/php/intro
  162. # [03:10] <harryrf> arkhi: I was wondering if the information is going to be local, or if the information would be part of and external link list.
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  169. # [03:21] <@arkhi> As far as I know, Webplatform is focused on frontend.
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  320. # [09:16] <@ravenzz> good morning
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  332. # [09:33] <_WiZZarD> good morning
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  348. # [09:55] <@Grephix> Hi ravenzz, _WiZZarD, Sandkorn, arkhi :)
  349. # [09:56] <@ravenzz> Hi Grephix
  350. # [09:59] <@arkhi> heeeello
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  353. # [10:01] <@Sandkorn> Hey hey! :-)
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  393. # [11:10] <@desbenoit> Hi All!
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  399. # [11:15] <@arkhi> Salut desbenoit
  400. # [11:15] <@desbenoit> Bonjour arkhi
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  402. # [11:15] <@arkhi> I’ll need to have a look at your talk when it’s out.
  403. # [11:16] <@arkhi> Heard a lot of good stuff about it. :)
  404. # [11:16] <@desbenoit> My talk?
  405. # [11:16] <@desbenoit> The icons stuff ?
  406. # [11:17] <@arkhi> yep
  407. # [11:17] <@arkhi> Paris-Web
  408. # [11:17] <@desbenoit> Oh :)
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  411. # [11:22] <Plume> Buddies came to Paris ?
  412. # [11:23] <Plume> Can we see / read your talks ?
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  414. # [11:26] <@desbenoit> Plume, here my two talks from Paris Web 2012: http://fr.slideshare.net/desbenoit/les-tendances-dans-le-webdesign
  415. # [11:27] <Plume> Merci :)
  416. # [11:27] <@desbenoit> http://fr.slideshare.net/desbenoit/les-icnes-qui-sontelles-quelles-sont-leurs-pictos
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  418. # [11:27] <@desbenoit> De rien plume
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  421. # [11:29] <@desbenoit> There was a w3c meet-up yesterday at Lyon City Hall.
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  423. # [11:29] <@desbenoit> It was great to meet @shepazu, @verou and @chrismils
  424. # [11:30] <saper> great
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  430. # [11:48] <@arkhi> I have to go back to Europe… That’s where all the fun is. :)
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  436. # [11:53] <DeviaVir> hihihihi
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  440. # [11:56] <eighty4> morning DeviaVir
  441. # [11:56] <DeviaVir> Morning eighty4
  442. # [11:56] <DeviaVir> How are you today?
  443. # [11:56] <@desbenoit> Come back arkhi!
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  445. # [11:57] <@desbenoit> Hi DeviaVir
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  447. # [11:57] <@arkhi> Strongly thinking about it.
  448. # [11:59] <@desbenoit> Lyon is an amazing city :)
  449. # [11:59] <@arkhi> Yeh
  450. # [11:59] <@arkhi> I’ve been living there quite a while. :)
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  525. # [14:02] <shepazu> hey, desbenoit!
  526. # [14:02] <shepazu> great meeting you last night!
  527. # [14:02] <@desbenoit> Hey shepazu!
  528. # [14:02] <shepazu> desbenoit: are you an admin yet?
  529. # [14:02] <@desbenoit> it was a pleasure!
  530. # [14:03] <@desbenoit> I don't think so
  531. # [14:03] <shepazu> desbenoit: what's your wiki name?
  532. # [14:03] <@desbenoit> Sebastien
  533. # [14:03] <@desbenoit> I should have used desbenoit :/
  534. # [14:04] <shepazu> desbenoit: I can change your username, if you like
  535. # [14:04] <@desbenoit> It would be fantastic
  536. # [14:04] <shepazu> btw, you're now an admin, congrats :D
  537. # [14:04] <@desbenoit> thanks you very much!
  538. # [14:06] <shepazu> desbenoit: just to confirm, you want me to change your username from Sebastien to Desbenoit, right?
  539. # [14:06] <@desbenoit> that's it.
  540. # [14:07] <shepazu> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/User:Desbenoit
  541. # [14:07] <@desbenoit> Awesome!
  542. # [14:07] <@desbenoit> Thanks a lot shepazu
  543. # [14:08] <shepazu> my pleasure
  544. # [14:08] <@desbenoit> It was really great to meet you face to face: It allows to have a voice sound and face to the irc messages. Even if the hangouts helped.
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  548. # [14:13] <_WiZZarD> irl meets are always nice .. wich makes we wonder.. when are all you people coming to the Netherlands? :P
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  553. # [14:19] <shepazu> _WiZZarD: we'd love to come to Nederlands, maybe we can arrange something with ppk
  554. # [14:19] <_WiZZarD> sweet :)
  555. # [14:19] <mstalfoort> +1
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  557. # [14:22] <eighty4> desbenoit: Living in Lyon. *jealous*
  558. # [14:23] <@desbenoit> it's a great place to live indeed eighty4
  559. # [14:23] <_WiZZarD> damn nice weather i presume
  560. # [14:23] <eighty4> great food and wine every day...
  561. # [14:23] <@desbenoit> _WiZZarD a meet-up in Nederlands? I'm all in!
  562. # [14:23] <eighty4> better weather than here at least :)
  563. # [14:24] <eighty4> But shouldn't complain :| I'm not living in the states at least
  564. # [14:24] <mstalfoort> and close to the snow, me like
  565. # [14:24] <@desbenoit> where are you from? eighty4
  566. # [14:25] <@desbenoit> mstalfoort to the snow and to the mediteranian see too.
  567. # [14:25] <_WiZZarD> mstalfoort: Dutch are close to snow as well .. too bad it all comes down as rain ;)
  568. # [14:25] <mstalfoort> lol
  569. # [14:25] <@varl> you want snow? I got snow here.
  570. # [14:25] <@varl> you can have it
  571. # [14:26] <mstalfoort> desbenoit, sun and snow... supah sweet
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  573. # [14:27] <eighty4> desbenoit: Sweden
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  575. # [14:27] <eighty4> Lots of snow :)
  576. # [14:27] <@desbenoit> I'd love to visit sweden :)
  577. # [14:28] <eighty4> varl: where in Sweden if I may ask?
  578. # [14:28] <@varl> no, I live in Oslo
  579. # [14:28] <@varl> norway
  580. # [14:28] <@varl> but I'm swedish, that's true enough
  581. # [14:29] <mollydotcom> You can all have your snow. I'll stay here with my palm trees :D
  582. # [14:29] <_WiZZarD> grmbl
  583. # [14:29] <eighty4> desbenoit: it's not all that nice
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  588. # [14:31] <@varl> Not that much snow, but it's been like that for days now. https://twitter.com/varlx/status/263272238336327682/photo/1/large
  589. # [14:32] <mstalfoort> looking good varl
  590. # [14:32] <_WiZZarD> uhu
  591. # [14:32] <_WiZZarD> gimme that
  592. # [14:32] <_WiZZarD> instead of the shitty Dutch weather here
  593. # [14:33] <mollydotcom> carl that's awesome. Almost makes me miss Oslo. Almost.
  594. # [14:33] <@varl> it's now 14.35 and the sun hasn't risen any higher. great...
  595. # [14:33] <mollydotcom> c/v/varl
  596. # [14:33] <_WiZZarD> varl: I'll gladly substitute some sun for less rain ..
  597. # [14:34] <@varl> mollydotcom: don't. we had 5 sunny days in june/july/august combined.
  598. # [14:34] <@varl> rest was rain. only winter is nice in norway.
  599. # [14:34] <_WiZZarD> sun only makes the visual on your monitor crappy ;)
  600. # [14:34] <@varl> norway
  601. # [14:34] <mollydotcom> I've been in Oslo in summer and winter. It's been pretty sometimes in summer!
  602. # [14:35] <mollydotcom> but yes, it's very beautiful in winter. Just too cold for my bones. I like living here in the desert
  603. # [14:36] <eighty4> Oslo is nice. Great city but crazy expensive
  604. # [14:36] <mollydotcom> Today's high will be 32C, sunny skies with big fluffy clouds and lots of sunshine
  605. # [14:36] <@varl> I have a solution for the cold; I have a standing desk at home and right behind me is a fireplace. Yesterday I had such a fire going that I had to stop working because I was burning my butt.
  606. # [14:36] <eighty4> varl: We had 5 summer days the entire summer
  607. # [14:37] <@varl> eighty4: june/july/august = summer. The rest is winter.
  608. # [14:37] <mollydotcom> OMG, I once went out with Anne Van Kesteren to a place in Oslo. We each had a personal pizza and shared 2 pitchers of beer - 90 us dollars :: THUD ::
  609. # [14:37] <_WiZZarD> wow
  610. # [14:37] <_WiZZarD> prolly the beer that was most expensive?
  611. # [14:38] <mollydotcom> Indeed
  612. # [14:38] <mollydotcom> the alcohol tax
  613. # [14:38] <@ravenzz> varl at least it is not wind as cph is
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  615. # [14:38] <eighty4> mollydotcom: you can easily get a pizza for around $8 here :)
  616. # [14:39] <@ravenzz> +y
  617. # [14:39] <eighty4> but then again, a beer costs the same
  618. # [14:39] <mollydotcom> eighty4: where are you?
  619. # [14:39] <@varl> ravenzz: cph/malmö feels way-way colder than oslo
  620. # [14:39] <eighty4> mollydotcom: Sweden. Smallish town close to stockholm
  621. # [14:39] <@ravenzz> I bought beer and cigarettes for 10€ in oslo
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  623. # [14:40] <mollydotcom> Stockholm is expensive too. But not quite as bad as Oslo I think
  624. # [14:40] <@varl> oslo surpassed london in priciness. Tokyo is still King.
  625. # [14:41] <@ravenzz> it is all about the wind imo, it wouldn't have been that cold without
  626. # [14:41] <@ravenzz> it is annoying
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  628. # [14:41] <mollydotcom> ravenzz: yeah, wind chill factor. It can take a cool day and make it freezing
  629. # [14:43] <@ravenzz> anyway it is still October we shouldn't complain about the weather yet :°D
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  632. # [14:44] <_WiZZarD> ravenzz: we should always complain about the weather
  633. # [14:45] <mollydotcom> Here you go, Tucson style: http://twitpic.com/9t80a9
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  635. # [14:45] <@varl> ... god dammit
  636. # [14:45] <_WiZZarD> autumn is to rainy and windy. Winter brings too much cold and snow. Spring is always cold and wet, and the summer is way to hot.
  637. # [14:46] <_WiZZarD> damn you mollydotcom, now I wanna drag my grill out into the rain :(
  638. # [14:46] <@varl> there's a plug in your beer, mollydotcom. best investigate!
  639. # [14:47] <mollydotcom> It's only 06:49 here. No beer for Mols
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  644. # [14:49] <eighty4> mollydotcom: that's not cool :( Can't link stuffl ike that
  645. # [14:49] <@Garbee> About 2 hours until the telcon. Just in case anyone is out of the current time-space-continueum.
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  647. # [14:50] <mollydotcom> eighty4: even if I share?
  648. # [14:50] <@varl> mollydotcom: there's no alcohol in corona -- it's fine.
  649. # [14:50] <eighty4> mollydotcom: it's more the sun I'm complaining about :)
  650. # [14:50] <mollydotcom> ;)
  651. # [14:51] <@varl> besides, I have read studies saying that productivity increases with slight intoxication. Personal experiments show that 6cl of whiskey is perfect.
  652. # [14:51] <mollydotcom> slight being the operative word there, varl
  653. # [14:52] <mollydotcom> I'm not good at that moderation thing
  654. # [14:52] <@NotTomato> wow, that hurricane really ripped new york apart.
  655. # [14:52] <mollydotcom> New Jersey, Delaware, Connecticut - I grew up in New York and New Jersey and NEVER have seen it flooded like this
  656. # [14:52] <mollydotcom> extreme weather
  657. # [14:53] <@NotTomato> I hope you guys on the northeast coast are okay.
  658. # [14:53] <@varl> I think something like 67% of westerners know how to swim.
  659. # [14:53] <mollydotcom> I checked with all friends and family and they are fine, thank goodness.
  660. # [14:53] <@varl> so the majority should be fine. I think.
  661. # [14:53] <mollydotcom> Yeah, you don't wanna be swimming in that
  662. # [14:53] <@NotTomato> i just read about the 50 homes in Queens burning down after the storm.
  663. # [14:54] <@NotTomato> Hahaha.
  664. # [14:54] <mollydotcom> there's some crazy photos around the Web with half of NYC in darkness - very bizarre
  665. # [14:54] <mollydotcom> and yeah, lots of fires breaking out too
  666. # [14:54] <mollydotcom> it's nuts
  667. # [14:54] <@NotTomato> varl, usually the tide would kill you even if you can swim in a hurricane.
  668. # [14:55] <@NotTomato> molly, that's terrible. >:
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  670. # [14:55] <mollydotcom> it's bad, but I will say people were warned in considerable advance of the storm
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  672. # [14:55] <lushchick> some random sharks in the yard... http://www2.wbtw.com/news/2012/oct/29/17/wild-images-hurricane-sandy-shark-front-yard-wave-ar-4851965/
  673. # [14:56] <mollydotcom> hahaha
  674. # [14:56] <mollydotcom> lushchick that's great
  675. # [14:57] <mollydotcom> Garbee: You mentioned a telecon - is that related to the webplatform work or something else?
  676. # [14:57] <@NotTomato> They usually talk about big issues at the telecon that are mentioned in the e-mailing list.
  677. # [14:58] <@NotTomato> for WPD.
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  679. # [14:58] <mollydotcom> Thanks NotTomato! I'm just getting started 'round here
  680. # [14:58] <@NotTomato> I'm glad you can help!
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  684. # [15:00] <mollydotcom> It's cool because W3C participation was already part of my job so I can help on these docs as well. Also, I was going to be editing some of the stuff from Opera but I left before that project
  685. # [15:00] <@NotTomato> molly, did you see that one of our nuclear plants is on alert? Hopefully not a disaster like what happened with Japan's nuclear plant but there's a warning that flood waters may damage a cooling system in one of our plants, I'm not sure what would happen after that.
  686. # [15:00] <mollydotcom> so now I can pick it up again
  687. # [15:01] <mstalfoort> yay mollydotcom
  688. # [15:02] <@NotTomato> That's awesome molly~
  689. # [15:02] <mollydotcom> NotTomato: Yes, I know. I'm pretending everything is going to be okay over there
  690. # [15:02] <@NotTomato> I hope so too.
  691. # [15:03] <@NotTomato> I meant I hope it's okay, sorry, just woke up. ;;
  692. # [15:04] <mollydotcom> Fortunately there is an end to this, whereas in Japan, those earthquakes just kept going. I think things will start to stabilize. I was JUST in NYC last weekend. It was gorgeous.
  693. # [15:04] <@NotTomato> and being surprised by all the new news apparently.
  694. # [15:04] <mollydotcom> Glad I'm back home. We're done with our extreme weather for the moment
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  698. # [15:05] <@NotTomato> That's good.
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  767. # [16:48] <jkomoros> Reminder to all that we've got our teleconference in 10 minutes
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  773. # [16:55] <jkomoros> If you're coming to the teleconference, we'll be taking notes in #webplatform-site to keep the notes a bit cleaner
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  775. # [16:58] <jkomoros> If you're coming to the teleconference, we'll be taking notes in #webplatform-site to keep the notes a bit cleaner
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  798. # [17:19] <David_Bradbury> My only concern there is drowning in bugs if there are tons of flags.
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  802. # [17:22] <@Garbee> David_Bradbury, We are keeping telcon chat in #webplatform-site to keep the logs cleaner.
  803. # [17:22] <@Garbee> Sorry you missed the memo.
  804. # [17:22] <David_Bradbury> No worries :)
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  806. # [17:23] <@Garbee> We decided on the right channel not 6 minutes before the telcon.
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  825. # [17:48] <David_Bradbury> Out backends aren't healthy =(
  826. # [17:49] <David_Bradbury> Our*
  827. # [17:50] <@Garbee> Yea, Next time you see Ryan Lane complain to him. ;)
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  831. # [17:51] <David_Bradbury> Oh, by the way, my e-mail to the mailing list still hasn't shown up
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  928. # [19:54] <@Garbee> Is anyone around still getting 503's on the site?
  929. # [19:55] <@fr0zenice> yip
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  931. # [19:55] <@Garbee> I'm going to put it in the topic just in case anyone pops in to let us know.
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  942. # [20:08] <Neto> Yes still ...
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  957. # [20:28] <say2joe> Where's the CSS!?!?
  958. # [20:28] <say2joe> http://www.webplatform.org is looking real strange right now.
  959. # [20:28] <@Garbee> say2joe, We are having server issues.
  960. # [20:28] <@Garbee> ETA on fix unkown.
  961. # [20:28] <say2joe> OK, thanks. Had a feeling… weather-related?
  962. # [20:29] <@Garbee> No.
  963. # [20:29] <@Garbee> Just down.
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  965. # [20:30] <say2joe> I see. Well, looks PHP related I guess at this point. Hope you guys get it working without too much ordeal… good luck :)
  966. # [20:31] <@Garbee> I don't think it is PHP related.
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  968. # [20:34] <@Garbee> It looks like the server is actually down. I'm not sure how the homepage is even partially working.
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  975. # [20:38] <eighty4> php is broken?
  976. # [20:39] <@Garbee> No, PHP wouldn't cause this kind of issue.
  977. # [20:40] <eighty4> the only thing not loading for me is load.php
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  979. # [20:40] <eighty4> "503 No healthy backends"
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  982. # [20:41] <@Garbee> Yea, because the server is down. tmk they have a system on the frontend that routes the traffic, that backend error is from where that system can't talk to the server from what I can tell. I could be wrong on it though, I'm not too sure about the services they use and their config.
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  985. # [20:42] <eighty4> kk, the rest is on a CDN I guess
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  987. # [20:44] <@Garbee> Nope. tmk it is centralized.
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  1000. # [21:10] <Snicers-Work2> Is web platform down cause of the hurricane?
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  1002. # [21:11] <@Garbee> No, it is just down.
  1003. # [21:12] <Snicers-Work2> ah, ok
  1004. # [21:12] <karlcow> there is water in the pipes
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  1022. # [21:48] <madchops> looks like a lot a pages on web platform.org return a 503 error
  1023. # [21:49] <eighty4> madchops: yeah, it's "down"
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  1034. # [21:59] <_6k> im really excited about this webplatform project but a lot of the pages seem to be giving some weird 530 error
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  1036. # [22:02] <_6k> and when i google 530 error i found some information about invalid login
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  1038. # [22:03] <_6k> what login should i be using?
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  1041. # [22:04] <mstalfoort> _6k, as i can see its a 503 error and relates to varnish
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  1044. # [22:05] <shepazu> something's wrong with the db server, I think… we're having our sysop look at it
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  1055. # [22:24] <@NorTomato> hi khayes~
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  1058. # [22:31] <khayes> NotTomato: hello
  1059. # [22:31] <khayes> :-)
  1060. # [22:31] <khayes> I can already predict where you are going with your innocent "hi"
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