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  1. # Session Start: Wed Oct 31 00:00:00 2012
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  17. # [00:21] <jrodl3r> site down?
  18. # [00:21] <jrodl3r> — Could not establish database connection. Please check the username, password and hostname in the config file, and if necessary set up the appropriate MySQL user and privileges.
  19. # [00:21] <@fr0zenice> unfortunately yes
  20. # [00:21] <jrodl3r> yillg
  21. # [00:22] <jrodl3r> storm related?
  22. # [00:22] <@fr0zenice> don't know for sure
  23. # [00:22] <jrodl3r> bummer, good luck. site is awesome
  24. # [00:22] <@fr0zenice> thx :)
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  26. # [00:24] <@Garbee> Not storm related most likely.
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  28. # [00:24] <@Garbee> It is just the DB which is hosted in the same place as the other servers tmk.
  29. # [00:25] <@Garbee> Well, mostly just the DB. There is a CSS file not being grabbed as well for the homepage.
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  31. # [00:25] <@fr0zenice> all just guessing thoug, until Ryan gets here ^^
  32. # [00:25] <@fr0zenice> +h
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  34. # [00:28] <@Garbee> I don't really think it is guessing as this point. Very informed guesses at the least.
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  37. # [00:32] <@fr0zenice> yeah I'm thinking the same, just don't want to put something out without any proof :p anyways I'm off to bed, nn!
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  46. # [00:57] <culturelabs> is there any semantic ways to do a line break
  47. # [00:57] <culturelabs> say i want to put an address and line break for the city, state
  48. # [00:57] <@Garbee> <br>
  49. # [00:57] <@Garbee> You just wrap the address in <address> if it is an appropriate contact method.
  50. # [00:58] <@Garbee> As far as doing breaks within it, you just use normal breaks.
  51. # [00:58] <@Garbee> For more info you should ask in #html5 though, I could be wrong.
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  61. # [01:11] <@Ryan_Lane> ...
  62. # [01:11] <@Ryan_Lane> so
  63. # [01:11] <@Ryan_Lane> I've been away from a computer the entire day
  64. # [01:11] <@Ryan_Lane> what's going on?
  65. # [01:11] <@Ryan_Lane> I can't ssh to deployment
  66. # [01:11] <@Ryan_Lane> that's not a good sign
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  68. # [01:15] <@Ryan_Lane> ok. now i'm pissed off. why is the deployment host non-responsive?
  69. # [01:15] <@Ryan_Lane> we *really* need to switch cloud services
  70. # [01:15] <gluxon> Ryan_Lane: I don't think I follow.
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  72. # [01:16] <gluxon> "deployment host"?
  73. # [01:16] <@Ryan_Lane> I can't ssh to the deployment node
  74. # [01:16] <@Ryan_Lane> the server that manages the rest of the servers
  75. # [01:17] <gluxon> Ryan_Lane: Contact the other admins?
  76. # [01:17] <@Ryan_Lane> what other admins?
  77. # [01:17] <@Ryan_Lane> :)
  78. # [01:17] <@Garbee> Ryan_Lane, Is the whole server down?
  79. # [01:17] <@Ryan_Lane> well, it's a bunch of servrs
  80. # [01:17] <@Garbee> It has been 503's for about 8 hours now.
  81. # [01:18] <@Ryan_Lane> but the deployment host is non-responsive
  82. # [01:18] <@Garbee> 503s*
  83. # [01:18] * @Garbee sighs.
  84. # [01:18] <@Ryan_Lane> rebooting deployment node
  85. # [01:18] <@Ryan_Lane> I'm sitting in my car in monteray CA
  86. # [01:18] <@Garbee> It actually went down during today's telcon.
  87. # [01:18] <@Ryan_Lane> it's a good thing I brought my laptop with me
  88. # [01:19] <@Garbee> Very lucky. Otherwise we would have been w/o a site for who knows how long.
  89. # [01:19] <@Ryan_Lane> ok. deployment is back up
  90. # [01:19] <@Ryan_Lane> well, starting friday I'm going to be gone for two weeks
  91. # [01:19] <@Ryan_Lane> with no laptop
  92. # [01:19] <gluxon> Garbee, Ryan_Lane: Shouldn't there be an admin channel for #webplatform? #webplatform-ops maybe? I initially thought Ryan_Lane was a user looking for help.
  93. # [01:20] <@Garbee> Nah we don't need our own channel.
  94. # [01:20] <@Ryan_Lane> hm. a bunch of servers aren't returning salt pings
  95. # [01:20] <@Ryan_Lane> mother fucker
  96. # [01:20] <@Ryan_Lane> db1 isn't returning normal pings
  97. # [01:20] <gluxon> ....
  98. # [01:20] <@Garbee> DB1 aint returnin nothing.
  99. # [01:21] <@Garbee> ^^it seems.
  100. # [01:21] * gluxon thinks some CSS is missing on WebPlatform.org...
  101. # [01:21] <@Garbee> gluxon, It is. Server issues.
  102. # [01:21] <@Garbee> Ryan is working on it.
  103. # [01:21] <@Ryan_Lane> gluxon: I'm site ops
  104. # [01:21] <gluxon> Ok, so that's what you guys are talking about.
  105. # [01:21] <@Ryan_Lane> yeah. I'm walking through the server issues
  106. # [01:22] <@Ryan_Lane> let's see if I can get a server log from the downed db server
  107. # [01:22] <@Ryan_Lane> of course not
  108. # [01:22] <@Ryan_Lane> hard rebooting db1
  109. # [01:23] <@Garbee> WTF happened to the server?
  110. # [01:23] <@Ryan_Lane> if an instance is going to go away in the cloud, chances are high its going to be your db server
  111. # [01:23] * @Garbee wishes I had a meme image for that.
  112. # [01:23] <@Ryan_Lane> because the world hates ops
  113. # [01:23] <@Garbee> hehe.
  114. # [01:24] <@Garbee> I have nothing but respect for the Ops in NYC today. They hustled to keep things online during Sandy.
  115. # [01:24] <@Ryan_Lane> heh
  116. # [01:24] <@Garbee> Still hustling in fact.
  117. # [01:24] <@Ryan_Lane> did I mention I did ops in mississippi during katrina? :D
  118. # [01:24] <@Garbee> No.
  119. # [01:24] <@Ryan_Lane> I feel for the ops in NYC right now
  120. # [01:24] <@Garbee> Wow, impressive dude.
  121. # [01:24] <@Ryan_Lane> this server *better* come back up
  122. # [01:25] <@Garbee> Yea. The CEO/Pres of SquareSpace actually went and helped the Teir1 team. Or whatever1 the company is.
  123. # [01:25] <@Ryan_Lane> if I have to recover from backups one more time I'm going to go ballistic
  124. # [01:25] <@Garbee> Impressive job by all of them. I also think every Op in there should get a bonus.
  125. # [01:26] <@Garbee> gluxon, Also, when you see Ops (+O/o) rambling on randomly like Ryan did upon joining it is probably best to not ask and hope there isn't a warpath.
  126. # [01:26] <@Garbee> It looks like a warpath is in Ryan's future though...
  127. # [01:27] <@Ryan_Lane> https://community.hpcloud.com/status
  128. # [01:27] <@Ryan_Lane> wow
  129. # [01:28] <@Ryan_Lane> this is incredibly lame
  130. # [01:28] <@Garbee> You need creds for that link.
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  132. # [01:28] <@Ryan_Lane> seriously???
  133. # [01:28] <@Garbee> What, massive cloud outage?
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  135. # [01:29] <@Garbee> I am redirected to a login page.
  136. # [01:29] <@Ryan_Lane> so
  137. # [01:29] <@Ryan_Lane> there's nothing I can do about this
  138. # [01:29] <@Garbee> Ouch.
  139. # [01:29] <@Garbee> So we wait for HP to get their cloud back up.
  140. # [01:29] <@Ryan_Lane> yes
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  142. # [01:29] <@Ryan_Lane> this is the last straw
  143. # [01:29] <@Garbee> Thanks for letting us know.
  144. # [01:30] * Garbee changes topic to 'conversation about webplatform.org • faq: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ • logs: http://talk.webplatform.org/chatlogs • bugs: http://goo.gl/bTTpT • recent activity: http://goo.gl/oqZu4 • HP's cloud is having issues. The site will be down at least until they get back online.'
  145. # [01:30] <@Garbee> Does anyone have the keys to the Twitter account to tweet about the downtime so people know?
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  147. # [01:31] <@Ryan_Lane> just so that anyone can see the lameness:
  148. # [01:31] <@Ryan_Lane> Unscheduled - Cloud Compute October 30th 12:09pm CDT (5:09pm UTC)
  149. # [01:31] <@Ryan_Lane> • Update:7:20 pm CDT (12:20 am UTC) We continue to investigate connectivity issues in US West AZ1 and US West AZ3. Affected instances are running, but are not accessible. All Compute operations (creating, snapshotting) continue to function properly. We are working to restore connectivity to the affected instances.
  150. # [01:32] <@Ryan_Lane> that's 12 hours of downtime!!!
  151. # [01:32] <@Garbee> At least.
  152. # [01:33] <@Garbee> I'm throwing an email into the Mailing List about it. That way the people in there know and hopefully someone with Twitter keys can get that updated. Also the Google+ page should give an update so people there know.
  153. # [01:33] <say2joe> thanks for the update. i hope their sla states that some repentance is in order for their paying customers.
  154. # [01:34] <@Garbee> say2joe, I think that is the least of *our* worries right now.
  155. # [01:34] <@Garbee> We have had a few issues so far with them.
  156. # [01:34] <say2joe> oh that's good.
  157. # [01:36] <@Ryan_Lane> being down for 12 hours is an eternity
  158. # [01:36] <@Garbee> Especially when I'm trying to work.
  159. # [01:37] <@Garbee> I think it is my fault. I did too much work Sunday so they took stuff down today to make me stay off.
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  161. # [01:38] <@Ryan_Lane> heh
  162. # [01:38] <@Garbee> I just hit the ML with an update on the downtime asking whoever has control over the accounts to post a quick update to let people know.
  163. # [01:39] <@Garbee> 12 hours though, and we still don't even have a clue how long it will take them to just finish diagnosing the issue. Much less fix it.
  164. # [01:40] <@Ryan_Lane> yeah
  165. # [01:40] <@Garbee> Well, I will get what I can do done offline and just worry about things I need the site for when it comes back online.
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  168. # [01:41] <@Garbee> NotTomato, Downtime update = due to HP's Cloud servers being down and no ETA on a fix from HP.
  169. # [01:41] <@Garbee> Just so you know what happened in the pasat 15 minutes here.
  170. # [01:41] <@Garbee> past*
  171. # [01:41] <@Ryan_Lane> ok. since there's nothing I can do right now, I'm going to drive home
  172. # [01:41] <@Ryan_Lane> I'll be back in about 2.5 hours
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  174. # [01:41] <@Garbee> Try to enjoy your evening Ryan.
  175. # [01:42] <@Ryan_Lane> thanks
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  182. # [01:50] <@Garbee> Well, I can't get any emails done since I need the site to get links and examples. :/
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  216. # [02:40] <@arkhi> Good morning…
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  221. # [02:51] <@Garbee> arkhi, Yes the site is down in case you haven't read my email to the list yet.
  222. # [02:51] <@Garbee> or the topic.
  223. # [02:54] <@arkhi> I had the Tweet first, in fact…
  224. # [02:54] <@arkhi> What’s the cause?
  225. # [02:54] <@Garbee> HP's Cloud being down.
  226. # [02:54] <@Garbee> Ah, they someone got my email then it seems.
  227. # [02:55] <@Garbee> kill the they up there in your mind.
  228. # [02:55] <@Garbee> I forgot to delete it.
  229. # [03:03] <@Garbee> How has your day been shepazu?
  230. # [03:04] <@Garbee> Well, actually you could still be out of the country which means you could just be waking up...
  231. # [03:04] <shepazu> Garbee: just going to sleep, actually
  232. # [03:04] <shepazu> up late
  233. # [03:04] <@arkhi> Good night shepazu
  234. # [03:04] <@Garbee> Ah. 10 here, I will be up for a while longer though.
  235. # [03:04] <@Garbee> Do have a goodnight.
  236. # [03:05] <shepazu> my day has been good, other than WebPlatform.org being down :(
  237. # [03:05] <shepazu> nn, folks
  238. # [03:05] <@Garbee> hehe, yea. That has kinda ticked me off being down for so long.
  239. # [03:05] <@Garbee> Got nothing done this afternoon.
  240. # [03:05] <shepazu> :(
  241. # [03:05] <@Garbee> 3 emails I need to write, they will get done later.
  242. # [03:05] <shepazu> well, hopefully it will be up soon
  243. # [03:05] <@Garbee> Along with soem other stuff.
  244. # [03:05] <@Garbee> I'm going to hang around and see if Ryan can use some extra help.
  245. # [03:06] <shepazu> ok, gotta sleep… still in France, in meetings early tomorrow
  246. # [03:06] <shepazu> thanks, Garbee!
  247. # [03:06] <@Garbee> If I can't do anything then I'm going to bed and hoping for the best.
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  258. # [04:22] <@Ryan_Lane> seems things are backup
  259. # [04:23] <@Garbee> How was the drive?
  260. # [04:23] <@Ryan_Lane> good-ish
  261. # [04:23] <@Garbee> YAY!
  262. # [04:23] <@Garbee> :D
  263. # [04:23] <@Ryan_Lane> a decent amount of traffic
  264. # [04:23] <@Garbee> Too bad it was like 13 hours down.
  265. # [04:23] <@Ryan_Lane> yeah
  266. # [04:23] <@Ryan_Lane> that's incredibly lame
  267. # [04:23] <@Garbee> At least I can get work done in the morning (assuming they don't go down again.)
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  269. # [04:24] <@arkhi> cool. :)
  270. # [04:25] * @Ryan_Lane shakes his fist
  271. # [04:25] <@arkhi> 1
  272. # [04:25] <@arkhi> 2
  273. # [04:25] * @arkhi shows a stone
  274. # [04:26] <@Garbee> Mailing List is updated.
  275. # [04:27] <@Ryan_Lane> Garbee: thanks
  276. # [04:27] <@Garbee> I let them know it is back online so they should alert the presses.
  277. # [04:28] <@Garbee> Ryan, Are you signed up to the Mailing List?
  278. # [04:28] <@Ryan_Lane> I thought I was, but it doesn't look lik eit
  279. # [04:28] <@Ryan_Lane> where's the subscription link?
  280. # [04:28] <@Garbee> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/
  281. # [04:28] <@Ryan_Lane> thanks
  282. # [04:29] <@Garbee> Subscribe is the green link.
  283. # [04:29] <@Ryan_Lane> yep
  284. # [04:29] <@Garbee> Woo, almost 200 messages out this month.
  285. # [04:30] * Garbee changes topic to 'conversation about webplatform.org • faq: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:FAQ • logs: http://talk.webplatform.org/chatlogs • bugs: http://goo.gl/bTTpT • recent activity: http://goo.gl/oqZu4'
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  288. # [04:31] <@Garbee> Well, my brain is begging for a pillow at this point. See everyone tomorrow.
  289. # [04:32] <@Ryan_Lane> subscribed
  290. # [04:32] <@Ryan_Lane> night
  291. # [04:32] <@arkhi> Good night Garbee
  292. # [04:32] <@arkhi> Anybody can post a tweet about this?
  293. # [04:32] <@Ryan_Lane> I don't have twitter access
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  359. # [07:48] <_WiZZarD> morning
  360. # [07:50] <@arkhi> Good morning _WiZZarD
  361. # [07:51] <_WiZZarD> arkhi: just wondering on how you stand on this.. what should we do with unrelated questions in q&a
  362. # [07:51] <_WiZZarD> just close them, or also hide?
  363. # [07:51] <_WiZZarD> like this one for example: http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/2298/who-is-the-wikisysop-operating-user-on-wiki-q-a
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  366. # [07:52] <@arkhi> Pretty hard to understand the question for me, already…
  367. # [07:53] <@arkhi> I would say that this is actually a relevant question about the organization of webplatform.org.
  368. # [07:53] <@ravenzz> morning
  369. # [07:53] <@arkhi> “Who does what?” is what I get from the question.
  370. # [07:54] <@arkhi> So my reaction would be to create this wiki page of “Who is responsible of what”, or link to it if it already exists.
  371. # [07:54] <@arkhi> and / or
  372. # [07:55] <@ravenzz> webplatform.org is back and someone should tweet about it imo.
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  380. # [08:12] <@arkhi> Yes ravenzz… But who has the keys?
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  382. # [08:19] <@ravenzz> dunno
  383. # [08:19] <@ravenzz> I have to go,bbl
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  386. # [08:22] <@arkhi> _WiZZarD: Did my answer help you in any way?
  387. # [08:23] <@arkhi> Or am I just far far away from what you expected?
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  408. # [08:59] <_WiZZarD> arkhi: yes it did
  409. # [08:59] <_WiZZarD> on this Q&A item it did
  410. # [08:59] <_WiZZarD> ;)
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  413. # [09:00] <_WiZZarD> anyone located with twitter access allready?
  414. # [09:00] <_WiZZarD> (srry for delay in answering btw, was on my to work)
  415. # [09:00] <_WiZZarD> ;)
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  428. # [09:10] <@ravenzz> divya probably?
  429. # [09:10] <@divya> oh tweet keys?
  430. # [09:10] <@divya> no
  431. # [09:10] <@divya> shepazu: should have it.
  432. # [09:10] <@divya> or maybe paul_irish ?
  433. # [09:10] <@divya> leaverou: for sure does i think?
  434. # [09:11] <@ravenzz> ook np
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  478. # [10:32] <mstalfoort> divya, interesting talk u gave @ sfhtml5
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  493. # [10:48] <@Grephix> hiya mstalfoort!
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  500. # [10:50] <mstalfoort> hi Grephix
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  504. # [10:58] <@Garbee> _WiZZarD, Twitter keys... Let me guess you want an update to let people know the site is back up?
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  506. # [10:58] <_WiZZarD> that would be nice indeed ;)
  507. # [10:58] <@Garbee> Whomever has access will most likely do it once they read my email about the site being back up.
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  509. # [10:59] <_WiZZarD> yay :)
  510. # [10:59] <@Garbee> They are all probably just asleep.
  511. # [10:59] <@Garbee> As I just was for a few hours.
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  517. # [11:05] <@divya> hi mstalfoort ah hopw it was useful
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  520. # [11:15] <mstalfoort> .. it sure is divya
  521. # [11:15] <@divya> o good :)
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  525. # [11:25] <shepazu> Garbee, _WiZZarD, posted
  526. # [11:25] <_WiZZarD> hero :)
  527. # [11:25] <@arkhi> Thanks shepazu
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  531. # [11:27] <@Garbee> shepazu, Good stat for the Twitters: 200+ Mailing List messages in the first month.
  532. # [11:28] <@Garbee> Tomorrow we will have the exact number to tweet.
  533. # [11:28] <@Garbee> Speaking of the ML actually, could someone check the pipes there and make sure no emails are stuck?
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  537. # [11:37] <shepazu> Garbee: great point
  538. # [11:37] <shepazu> Garbee: I'll keep that twitter stat in mind, and check the pipes now
  539. # [11:38] <@Garbee> Thank You.
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  542. # [11:45] <@Garbee> shepazu, Thanks, the exact email I was looking for came in. ;)
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  544. # [11:48] <shepazu> Garbee: that wasn't me, there was nothing in the queue
  545. # [11:48] <@Garbee> I just got a message from two days ago.
  546. # [11:49] <@Garbee> From someone I told to send an email out and it never came through.
  547. # [11:49] <@Garbee> Perhaps going to check flushed it before you saw it?
  548. # [11:51] <dontcallmedom> I cleared the queue based on garbee's ping :)
  549. # [11:51] <@Garbee> Oh ok. Thanks.
  550. # [11:51] <@Garbee> I was getting *really* confused there.
  551. # [11:51] <@Garbee> Also I'm pretty confused now looking at this html/elements page source.
  552. # [11:52] <@Garbee> It looks as if it should only show the Page title, but for some reason the links seem to be ignoring the pipe.
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  581. # [12:25] <@arkhi> Time to go… See ya!
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  591. # [12:59] <_WiZZarD> lunch time
  592. # [12:59] <_WiZZarD> :)
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  598. # [13:15] <Ben-> s there a way to get any errormsg from the decodeAudioData() errorCallback function?
  599. # [13:15] <Ben-> my errocallback for decodeAudioData() is function(e) {console.log(e)} but e is null
  600. # [13:15] <Ben-> It doesnt really help me figuring out the error
  601. # [13:15] <Ben-> using chrome btw
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  607. # [13:25] <@Garbee> Ben-, You may want to try asking in #web.
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  609. # [13:26] <Ben-> ok
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  648. # [14:28] <@Garbee> eternicode, PHP is nowhere near a relic.
  649. # [14:28] <@Garbee> It runs most of the major websites as far as a backend goes, including WPD itself.
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  652. # [14:29] <@eternicode> meh, wishful morning thinking
  653. # [14:31] <@Garbee> Try wishing in a few more years. ;)
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  655. # [14:31] <@eternicode> when you steep yourself in the python world, everything you knew before python becomes a relic ;)
  656. # [14:32] <@eternicode> Hmm.... when you steep yourself in the X world, everything you knew before X becomes a relic?
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  658. # [14:32] <@Garbee> As long at it is X vs XXX I think that statement is fine.
  659. # [14:32] <@Garbee> ;)
  660. # [14:32] <@eternicode> haha
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  662. # [14:32] <Guest97428> Are you talking about porn or graphic interface?
  663. # [14:33] <@Garbee> I decline to answer that Guest.
  664. # [14:33] <@eternicode> graphic... nice choice of words :P
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  666. # [14:33] <Guest97428> You're right.
  667. # [14:33] <Guest97428> And wtf is goin' on with my name…
  668. # [14:34] <@Garbee> I actually saw someone try to use XXX as a variable before for a demo. It didn't last long and that just popped into my head when I saw that line.
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  673. # [14:35] <Plume> I saw a lot of joke in source code.
  674. # [14:36] <Plume> Sometimes people laugh of their own joke they made in code.
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  676. # [14:36] <Plume> Like it was fun to came after them and fix that shit…
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  681. # [14:50] <karlcow> as there are quite a number of people doing devrel here
  682. # [14:50] <karlcow> http://www.w3.org/community/devrel/
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  707. # [15:30] <@Garbee> I'm going to try and get the bug tracker as clean as possible today for Saturday.
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  721. # [15:52] <@Garbee> jkomoros, Could you look at this bug report and comment on what you are thinking as far as building a centralized input system for the tables? https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19198
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  723. # [15:52] <@Garbee> Specifically I would like to know if the centralized input sytem would affect what is currently being done to add the tables, since I don't think we should be using the time putting it in now if we may need to redo it all later when a new system gets put in place.
  724. # [15:53] <@Garbee> Although, I'm sure it would be scripted input somehow if it were needed to be redone.
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  778. # [17:16] <_WiZZarD> [15:34:49] <Garbee> I'm going to try and get the bug tracker as clean as possible today for Saturday. << damn, my mailbox notices it :S
  779. # [17:16] <@Garbee> Hehe yea.
  780. # [17:16] <@Garbee> Sorry about that.
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  785. # [17:19] <@Garbee> At least things should be clean now. I think I hit it all.
  786. # [17:19] <@Garbee> And now I know what IA was referring to thanks to Alex.
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  854. # [18:42] <@Garbee> _WiZZarD, Your inbox hates me even more now. ;)
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  856. # [18:42] <_WiZZarD> lol :)
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  867. # [18:59] <David_Bradbury> Garbee: You make my inbox feel less lonely
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  870. # [18:59] <@Garbee> Don't worry, I'm not slowing down.
  871. # [18:59] <@Garbee> I have a few more things to be throwing around here in a few.
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  873. # [19:00] <@Garbee> NotTomato, Do you know how to convert this page to use the forms? http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/guides/doctypes_and_markup_styles
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  875. # [19:01] <@NotTomato> Hi Garbee, looking.
  876. # [19:01] <@Garbee> I tried a quick touch but that didn't work.
  877. # [19:03] <@NotTomato> I see a few things that might be doing it, try looking around for touching equal signs in the templates and variables, sometimes that screws it up, I'm trying to find it. I've noticed if you put the equal signs for titles such as == Hello == next to the variables, it won't work.
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  879. # [19:04] <@NotTomato> It's probably something like that though, like a touching character. I'll keep looking. ):
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  881. # [19:04] <@Garbee> Now that I know kinda what to look for I will try hunting.
  882. # [19:04] <@ravenzz> is there a template for table of contents?
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  884. # [19:05] <@Garbee> ravenzz, No, ToC's are generated automatically from the markup based on headings.
  885. # [19:05] <@Garbee> The ToC is disabled by default too since its style sucks. At least it did last I used it.
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  887. # [19:05] <@ravenzz> do you have an example I can see?
  888. # [19:05] <@NotTomato> if you want a TOC to show up but it's not working, you can just add __TOC__ at the top
  889. # [19:05] <@NotTomato> or __NOTOC__ to get rid of it
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  893. # [19:06] <@fr0zenice> there's also an user settings to show/hide the TOCs, it's defaulted to off in WPD
  894. # [19:06] <@Garbee> It is just using headings right, just like an outline. = H1 =, ==H2==, ===H3==, Etc. From there the ToC is generated.
  895. # [19:06] <@NotTomato> Yeah, it uses the headings.
  896. # [19:06] <@ravenzz> Ok, but I think that it is quite silly to have pages like this http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css with a load of heading elements
  897. # [19:07] <@ravenzz> and one paragraph each
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  899. # [19:08] <@Garbee> I updated the flags, it does need some work.
  900. # [19:10] <@ravenzz> so now is uneditable!?
  901. # [19:10] <@ravenzz> oh wait
  902. # [19:10] <@Garbee> If I made something uneditable then I really screwed up.
  903. # [19:10] <@ravenzz> for some reason I was logged off
  904. # [19:10] <@Garbee> Session issues, it happens often.
  905. # [19:13] <@fr0zenice> Garbee NotTomato: I think I fixed that guide
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  907. # [19:13] <@Garbee> fr0zenice, YES! Thank you!
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  910. # [19:13] <@Garbee> Now, WTF did you do?
  911. # [19:14] <@fr0zenice> used the correct forms template :P it's "Guide" not "Guides"
  912. # [19:14] <@Garbee> Ah.
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  919. # [19:19] <mattkelly> is anyone focusing on SEO?
  920. # [19:20] <mattkelly> tired of having w3schools as the top link for everything :\
  921. # [19:21] <@Garbee> I'm not focusing on SEO myself. I'd rather focus on getting good content and worrying about SEO later. Plus SEO will take some time for us since we are in a massive flux of pages being moved around and links being changed etc.
  922. # [19:21] <@Garbee> So we will suck for a while.
  923. # [19:21] <@ravenzz> the problem with w3schools is that it make easy for noobs to find informations
  924. # [19:23] <@ravenzz> each page is noob tailored, 3 lines description, a table and a couple of examples
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  928. # [19:25] <David_Bradbury> If all goes according to plan, WP should be able to out-perform W3Schools when it comes to content and relevance. We'll just need to make sure people are linking to WP as a reference
  929. # [19:25] <@Garbee> First we need to get things organized and stable.
  930. # [19:25] <David_Bradbury> ^
  931. # [19:25] <@Garbee> That way links will remain good.
  932. # [19:25] <@ravenzz> exactly
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  934. # [19:26] <@ravenzz> also people has been linking quality content for years, but it still on top of the serps
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  936. # [19:28] <@Garbee> The thing I am most upset at W3SChools for is their "certification." As if they have any kind of authority on it.
  937. # [19:28] <@ravenzz> imho is because a good 70% of the people who search for help is noob, and they don't want to read
  938. # [19:28] <@Garbee> That is just one massive scam.
  939. # [19:28] <@NotTomato> i consider most colleges to be a scam, even if they aren't "online certification".
  940. # [19:29] <@NotTomato> It's sad.
  941. # [19:29] <@NotTomato> But that's how education works now.
  942. # [19:29] <@Garbee> I actually know a pro web developer who uses Gedit only, starts every project from scratch, and loves and recommends W3Schools. I just go WTF dude? And still can't convince him to stop recommending W3Schools yet, or use ST, or even a boilerplate.
  943. # [19:29] <@Garbee> Dude is a PHP Wizard though.
  944. # [19:30] <@ravenzz> ahah
  945. # [19:30] <@ravenzz> same story with one of my colleagues
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  947. # [19:31] <@ravenzz> when I told him that his reaction was: "nononono. it is a good website, it is the most popular"
  948. # [19:31] <@NotTomato> Hahaha.
  949. # [19:31] <@Garbee> Most popular != Best. Example: Kim Kardashian.
  950. # [19:32] <@Garbee> ;)
  951. # [19:32] <@Garbee> How is *that* for offtopic?
  952. # [19:32] <@ravenzz> he loves tables infact
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  955. # [19:33] <@ravenzz> oh well actually he coded a supersmart PHP system, for CSS. that save each CSS rule into a db table, and then it generates the whole stylesheet alphabetically
  956. # [19:34] <@Garbee> What happens when you need priority to go to another rule? But it is higher in the alphabet chain...
  957. # [19:34] <@ravenzz> so on children websites he can "ignore" whole parts of the stylesheet, without having to reset manually
  958. # [19:34] <@ravenzz> when I saw it I was like WHAAT
  959. # [19:34] <@ravenzz> Garbee a bunch of !important
  960. # [19:34] <@ravenzz> of if you know your sh1t you can play with specificity
  961. # [19:35] <@ravenzz> so I said, ok I am not going to do front-end stuff here
  962. # [19:35] <@ravenzz> :p
  963. # [19:36] <@Garbee> Ah ok. Just making sure it was being done. Although I am kindof scared of "bunch" of !important. Some is fine, but bunches?
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  965. # [19:36] <David_Bradbury> If lots of !important tags are starting to be used - That usually either shows a lack of planning, a lack of understanding of specificity, or both.
  966. # [19:37] <@ravenzz> yeah, because having the CSS rules ordered alphabetically break the cascading paradigma
  967. # [19:38] <@Garbee> I unfortunately need to use !important more than I want sometimes due to Bootstrap's media queries overriding things.
  968. # [19:38] <@ravenzz> Bs is bad for you
  969. # [19:39] <@Garbee> Meh, it is fine in moderation.
  970. # [19:39] <David_Bradbury> Why not just get rid of the media queries in Bootstrap?
  971. # [19:39] <@ravenzz> come on, its designe is nice
  972. # [19:39] <@ravenzz> but the code isn't
  973. # [19:39] <@Garbee> I'm too lazy to comment the import out David.
  974. # [19:40] <@ravenzz> someone said that Boostrap is the new Dreamweaver, and I would agree somehow
  975. # [19:40] <@Garbee> Speaking of Bootstrap, it is updated to 2.2 now and I need to update a theme or two with it...
  976. # [19:40] <@Garbee> We should take this into -offtopic now.
  977. # [19:41] <@ravenzz> yes, I'll grab some food
  978. # [19:41] <@ravenzz> bbl
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  981. # [19:55] <say2joe> thanks for the news about bootstrap!
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  984. # [19:58] <@Garbee> Also check out the new examples they added. Some are pretty nice.
  985. # [19:58] <mattkelly> Garbee: yeah, good point :) Good content is king.
  986. # [19:59] <@Garbee> Yea, asking people to think about SEO first (especially now) is not good. Get the content down first and get tons of links in due to it just being a good resource. Things will follow from there.
  987. # [20:00] <mattkelly> agreed
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  1038. # [21:02] <@Garbee> Ryan_Lane, Do you think you could look into this issue with Fastly? https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19172
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  1088. # [22:40] <@Garbee> Wow, 48 bug changes so far today.
  1089. # [22:40] <@fr0zenice> seems like someone has his bug-day ;)
  1090. # [22:45] <@Garbee> Yea finally.
  1091. # [22:45] <@Garbee> I wanted to do it yesterday, but the "cloud" went down.
  1092. # [22:46] <@fr0zenice> so it was weather-related!
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  1094. # [22:46] <@fr0zenice> btw you saw my ML post?
  1095. # [22:47] <@Garbee> On the Q&A Plugins?
  1096. # [22:47] <@fr0zenice> yeah
  1097. # [22:47] <@Garbee> Yes I saw it. Thanks for setting that up.
  1098. # [22:47] <@Garbee> Can't play with it right now though. :/
  1099. # [22:48] <@fr0zenice> np, seems like we could get something useful out of them
  1100. # [22:48] <@Garbee> Yea, I don't think I made it clear enough that the polls were to be Admin only for us trying to collect a general view on topics.
  1101. # [22:48] <@Garbee> Not for people to go rampant making Polls left and right.
  1102. # [22:49] <say2joe> polls? sweet :)
  1103. # [22:50] <@Garbee> say2joe, Not official yet. Just talking about the possibility.
  1104. # [22:51] <say2joe> i understand. just getting a wee bit excited (not that I'd be using them anyway if its for admins). think they can be useful though for those involved.
  1105. # [22:52] <@Garbee> It is just for intel gathering in-house compared to needing a 3rd party tool to do it.
  1106. # [22:52] <@Garbee> I am trying to get the bug tracker in-house...
  1107. # [22:52] <say2joe> gotcha.
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  1125. # [23:21] <@Garbee> Wow, a whole day going through the bug system. I am absolutely worn out.
  1126. # [23:21] <@Garbee> and sick of Bugzilla even more.
  1127. # [23:21] <@fr0zenice> did they update it? I noticed the bugmail format changed
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  1141. # [23:46] <@Garbee> I swear if someone does something to pull me back into the bugtracker tonight I will scream.
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