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  1. # Session Start: Sat Nov 03 00:00:01 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #webplatform
  3. # [00:03] <say2joe> #jquery better.
  4. # [00:03] <eighty4> Neto: You really should listen to Garbee.
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  30. # [00:43] <@Garbee> I think I have fallen in love.
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  32. # [00:44] <eighty4> Garbee: that's great :) Even greater if it's in a girl/boy and not a jQuery plugin
  33. # [00:46] <@Garbee> Not jQuery, but an awesome tool I'm hoping we end up using.
  34. # [00:47] <@Garbee> This is going to make workflow epic for administering WPD.
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  36. # [00:47] <@Garbee> Like, I don't even think I need to test Mantis at this point.
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  54. # [01:34] <@Garbee> Ryan_Lane, Are you around?
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  57. # [01:49] <paul_irish> Garbee: what tool
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  59. # [01:51] <@Garbee> http://www.thebuggenie.com/
  60. # [01:51] <@Garbee> Writing the email for it now. This software is simply superb and does everything we need and then some.
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  62. # [01:51] <@Garbee> Along with *super* granular ACL.
  63. # [01:52] <@Garbee> Also has OpenID support for login so hopefully people won't complain as much for it not using the account from the wiki.
  64. # [01:53] <@Garbee> I do see a few UX issues with it as far as getting to the issues, but overall I think we will be fine. Plus I bet we can make it easier, I just need to do some more digging.
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  78. # [02:38] <@Garbee> Ok, the mailing list just got hit with a massive email, enjoy.
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  81. # [02:40] <@Garbee> Everyone enjoy yourselves tomorrow.
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  133. # [08:10] <sneakyness> http://soundcloud.com/sneakyness/rough_28th_operater1_disaster
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  169. # [12:20] <@ravenzz> good morning
  170. # [12:21] <@fr0zenice> morning
  171. # [12:24] <@ravenzz> calm saturday
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  238. # [17:12] <peterlubbers> At Adobe in SF, we're about to start the Web Platform DocSprint. We'll be using this tracking spreadsheet today: http://goo.gl/NHJYT
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  244. # [17:19] <TomV-SanFrancico> Here at Adobe in San Francisco for the DocSprint!
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  248. # [17:27] <TomV-SanFrancico> Anyone else in the room here @Adobe?
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  262. # [17:47] <TomV-SanFrancico> good morning Sprinters!!
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  270. # [17:50] <TomV-SanFrancico> Working on the Web Platform DocSprint SF (11/3/12)? Use this tracking spreadsheet: http://goo.gl/NHJYT
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  275. # [17:58] <TomV-SanFrancico> There are quite a few tasks related to testing compatability -- is there a tool we can use, along the lines of http://www.browserstack.com ?
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  277. # [18:01] <denbuzze1> fyi - the Doc Sprint Taks Tracker is at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aoc3F7WkVTNUdGg1UnVCakExMjZBUjIxYThGdTh5X2c#gid=0
  278. # [18:01] <TomV-SanFrancico> Looks like a free option to manually test for compatability is https://saucelabs.com/home anyone familiar with that?
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  282. # [18:07] <kirill2485> So where do I go to fill in descriptions or values under headings or tabes
  283. # [18:08] <kirill2485> Do I log on to an FTP server (I'm sorry, I'm new to this) (I do know HTML5
  284. # [18:08] <kirill2485> )
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  286. # [18:11] <denbuzze1> if anyone is adding code (html/css/javascript) make sure you're using syntax highlighting - http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Style_Manual#Code_syntax_highlighting it makes it look hawt!
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  297. # [18:28] <TomV-SanFrancico> On compatibility updates, I just learned from Alex, the best (quickest) way to get compatibility is to leverage the info on Mozilla (for example: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/DOM/element.getAttributeNS )
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  299. # [18:30] <TomV-SanFrancico> As long as we just get the facts (compatability/performance) , we are not infringing on copyright..
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  303. # [18:32] <jharjono> Hi, if there is a task in WPD:Most Wanted Task page that links to a bug, and that bug has been assigned to someone. Is that Task still up fro grabs? or should I just skip it?
  304. # [18:32] <kirill2485> So where is the heading for: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/apis/geolocation? or do I just post it into the comments?
  305. # [18:34] <TomV-SanFrancico> More on adding compatibility - very good resource for quick info: http://caniuse.com
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  309. # [18:38] <@NotTomato> Hi.
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  312. # [18:40] <joeybaker> can an admin please delete this page: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/blink (accidentally created)
  313. # [18:41] <@NotTomato> Okay
  314. # [18:41] <joeybaker> thanks!
  315. # [18:42] <@NotTomato> No problem~
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  318. # [18:49] <ProveIt> Hello
  319. # [18:49] <@NotTomato> Hi.
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  324. # [18:59] <DougMay> Any guidelines on handshaking for taking on tasks?
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  326. # [19:02] <DougMay> I'm starting a simple starter guide for bringing in compatibility information for html elements (so other noobs can jump in on these 5m-1/2hr most wanted list items); feel free to offer hints or let me know if you've already done one.
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  335. # [19:05] <arnaudb> Anyone having issues with the "example" forms?
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  337. # [19:05] <arnaudb> I get disabled inputs and textareas
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  345. # [19:12] <denbuzze1> Wouldn't it be awesome if http://webplatform.org was open-source itself, hosted on GitHub so people can make PR's? Filed a bug at https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19840
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  347. # [19:13] <@fr0zenice> denbuzze1: it is planned
  348. # [19:14] <denbuzze1> fr0zenice: great!
  349. # [19:14] <TomV-SanFrancico> DougMay, great idea!
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  351. # [19:15] <TomV-SanFrancico> DougMay, I'm glad to review - since I am stumbling through the process of adding compatability to css property list right now..
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  353. # [19:16] <TomV-SanFrancico> One issue - saying "first, second and last third" of CSS properties" is not sufficiently specific.
  354. # [19:18] <TomV-SanFrancico> A better way, letter ranges, for example, properties from A -G, H - N, N - Z for example.
  355. # [19:20] <jaacob> When editing a page - is the Summary field at the very bottom where we should describe our edits? Or is that field related to External Attribution? Visually, it's not very clear.
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  358. # [19:22] <Mullany> I have a question about complex examples
  359. # [19:22] <@fr0zenice> jaacob: if you mean the one under "Edit Details" and not the "Article Summary" one, yes, summarize your edit there
  360. # [19:22] <Mullany> If I want to include an image illustrating something - how do I do that within the examples edit box
  361. # [19:25] <@fr0zenice> Mullany: I don't think that is possible
  362. # [19:26] <jaacob> fr0zenice: I see Article Summary, but have no 'Edit Details' section on this edit form. Where are you in the room? I'll come show/ask.. :)
  363. # [19:26] <Mullany> well it makes doing SVG examples pretty difficult if you can't show a result
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  365. # [19:26] <@fr0zenice> I'm not in SF :)
  366. # [19:27] <jaacob> ah! that would make it difficult
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  368. # [19:27] <@fr0zenice> what page are you editing jaacob?
  369. # [19:28] <jaacob> fr0zenice: the summary field here: https://dl.dropbox.com/s/l5jn6t3j2j6hxhg/notes.png
  370. # [19:28] <jaacob> editing html/elements/body
  371. # [19:29] <jaacob> using your notes and http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Content/Reference_articles on cleaning up ref articles
  372. # [19:29] <@fr0zenice> hmm indeed the "Edit Details" header is missing there :/
  373. # [19:29] <@fr0zenice> but that's the right one for your edit summary
  374. # [19:29] <jaacob> ok, thanks for clarifying
  375. # [19:29] <@fr0zenice> I'll investigate on the missing header!
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  377. # [19:31] <vwang> @Mullany: Do you have a screenshot you're trying to upload or is it something else?
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  387. # [19:50] <DougMay> how do I look back over the IRC history to catch responses I missed while writing?
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  393. # [19:52] <@fr0zenice> DougMay: that depends on the client you are using
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  395. # [19:54] <DougMay> skeleton of getting started guide for compatibility info update is at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started/Compatibility
  396. # [19:54] <@fr0zenice> the 2 TODO boxes at the bottom seem messed up
  397. # [19:56] <@fr0zenice> I guess you can't use the TODO Template in lists
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  399. # [19:56] <DougMay> fr0zenice -- messed up todo's are due to bedding them in bullet items; I need a notation for my "notes to self" (my items to complete in the draft) vs. real todos for the wiki
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  401. # [19:57] <DougMay> I am on xchat, since I am on Windows
  402. # [19:57] <howard_> hello
  403. # [19:58] <howard_> Where is the google doc?
  404. # [19:58] <@fr0zenice> hmm haven't really used xchat
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  407. # [19:58] <@fr0zenice> howard_: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aoc3F7WkVTNUdGg1UnVCakExMjZBUjIxYThGdTh5X2c#gid=0
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  409. # [19:59] <@NotTomato> Hi Garbee.
  410. # [19:59] <@NotTomato> Are you here?
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  418. # [20:11] <girlie_mac> Hi guys, I am only editing mobile compat tables right now (for a bunch of pages), and noticed there was no <canvas> doc so I created. I have not add enough content do somebody please complete the page with more infer and code example! Thank you, http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/canvas
  419. # [20:13] <jaacob> fr0zenice: on your "notes for updating the paragraph element page" (on Most Wanted Tasks) - the bullet points under "fixing tables (the largest part)" look like the before and after are the same thing. is that section right?
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  421. # [20:14] <@fr0zenice> hmpf, it's seems like a fail paste, I originally put that info into the mailing list
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  426. # [20:20] <@fr0zenice> jaacob: I cleaned them up a little: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Most_Wanted_Tasks#fr0zenice.27s_notes_on_updating_the_paragraph_element_page
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  429. # [20:21] <code_coyote> Hello all, I am at the docsprint in SF.
  430. # [20:21] <@fr0zenice> hello!
  431. # [20:22] <code_coyote> I'm mostly a back-end dev, so I'm trying to find something I can more readily contribute to. Now if it were rdocs I could write those.
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  433. # [20:25] <@NotTomato> code_coyote, which person are you? I can show you some tedious stuff to do since there isn't much backend things to contribute to on the site. It's not very fun though, just a warning.
  434. # [20:26] <code_coyote> I"m a blond, middle-aged white guy in the middle front on a Linux laptop. Black computer museum t-shirt.
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  436. # [20:27] <@NotTomato> Okay, I'm going to be the girl wandering aimlessly in the purple sweatshirt towards your area.
  437. # [20:27] * code_coyote nods
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  442. # [20:31] <eighty4> NotTomato: "wandering aimlessly in the purple sweatshirt" <-- movie reference?
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  444. # [20:35] <@NotTomato> code_coyote, I asked someone (Alex) if we could install a extension right now and he said no because they aren't here today but you can file a bug report with Doug (or I will for you if you want) that ask him to install this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap
  445. # [20:35] <@NotTomato> It's the only thing I can think of on MediaWiki that allows you to map links to images though. ):
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  447. # [20:36] <@NotTomato> eighty4, I can't think of any movie it's from but maybe is kind of a popular trope I suppose.
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  449. # [20:36] * code_coyote nods. Let me try to file it. Any registered user can file one right?
  450. # [20:36] <@NotTomato> Yup!
  451. # [20:36] <code_coyote> i just need to find the link to file one.
  452. # [20:36] <@NotTomato> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Filing_Bugs
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  454. # [20:39] <@fr0zenice> jaacob: I found the issue regarding the missing header, there should be a "Edit Details" header under every edit form now :)
  455. # [20:40] <code_coyote> @NotTomato: component = infrastructure?
  456. # [20:40] <jaacob> fr0zenice: nice! much more clear.
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  458. # [20:41] <@NotTomato> code_coyote, yes.
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  461. # [20:42] <eighty4> NotTomato: kk. Sounded like a movie quote
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  464. # [20:44] <code_coyote> It got assigned to Doug Schepers ... is that good?
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  466. # [20:44] <@fr0zenice> code_coyote: yes
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  469. # [20:45] <code_coyote> Cool, then I think I'm good.
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  472. # [20:51] <vwang> Does anyone know if "guides" is a viable content type?
  473. # [20:52] <@NotTomato> vwang, we were just discussing that actually, we're not really sure when you would use it outside of Tutorials, most likely there will be a discussion to get rid of "guides" later.
  474. # [20:52] <@NotTomato> vwang, if you want, you can bug the e-mailing list to bring it up for discussion though.
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  476. # [20:56] <vwang> Thanks, NotTomato -- there's some content under /guides but no links on the landing page. I'll send a note to the list. Thanks!
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  485. # [21:14] <jkomoros> I just added a task to the getting started guide to fill in missing summaries
  486. # [21:14] <jkomoros> I also made it so that articles that are missing summaries will automatically get a "Needs Summary" editorial note on them, which makes them easy to find
  487. # [21:17] <kirill2485> I am trying to fill in compatibility for apis/workers/objects/Worker but on http://caniuse.com/#search=web%20workers it was supported for Android browser 2.1 but not the later versions
  488. # [21:17] <kirill2485> What should I put down
  489. # [21:17] <kirill2485> (for the supported version
  490. # [21:17] <kirill2485> )
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  493. # [21:21] <@fr0zenice> nice jkomoros! I sent you that mail btw
  494. # [21:21] <jkomoros> kirill2485: I would put down it's unsupported
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  496. # [21:21] <Mullany> what formatting do we use for a section header - is it just <header>?
  497. # [21:21] <Mullany> or .h1 or
  498. # [21:21] <jkomoros> but in the compatibility notes section, mention it use to be supported
  499. # [21:21] <jkomoros> Mullany: Where are you adding one?
  500. # [21:22] <jkomoros> We use mediawiki markup for them, e.g. : "===Example==="
  501. # [21:23] <Mullany> thanks!
  502. # [21:24] <jkomoros> fr0zenice: Thanks, I'll look into that
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  520. # [21:47] <denbuzze1> just created a prototype of how we could do live code within #webplatform http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Td2IJZSGwI
  521. # [21:50] <kathyw> Is anyone having trouble previewing?
  522. # [21:51] <kathyw> I get a mostly white rectangle.
  523. # [21:51] <@NotTomato> Most likely something is wrong on the page then and not with the previewing
  524. # [21:52] <@NotTomato> such as a broken template or something like that.
  525. # [21:54] <kathyw> This happened in http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/canvas/properties/fillStyle and http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/canvas/properties/moveTo, at least.
  526. # [21:56] <kathyw> I'm making only small changes, so it's not stopping me.
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  528. # [21:57] <@fr0zenice> kathyw: the preview is broken but when saved it looks ok?
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  539. # [22:22] <rhassen> page vanished…red link now…what happened to the mobile friendly web dev page I was working on?
  540. # [22:22] <rhassen> http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?title=concepts/mobile_web/mobile_friendly_web_dev&action=edit&redlink=1
  541. # [22:24] <@fr0zenice> rhassen: maybe you took too long and your session was invalidated, try to save more often as there are currently some problems with the session management on WPD
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  543. # [22:26] <jaacob> Should every instance of an element name be formatted as <code> ? e.g. in a paragraph talking about the body element, should every mention of "body" be <code>body</code>? or even further, <code><body></code> ?
  544. # [22:28] <@fr0zenice> jaacob: if referring to the <body> element itself use <code><body></code>, if just referring to the HTML body in general, don't use <code>
  545. # [22:28] <rhassen> Thanks fr0zenice!
  546. # [22:29] <jaacob> So for this sentence:
  547. # [22:29] <jaacob> The window object for the body element can host event handlers for the onblur, onfocus, onload, or onunload events.
  548. # [22:29] <@fr0zenice> rhassen: np! I hope you didn't loose too much work
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  550. # [22:29] <kathyw> sorry, fr0zenice: yes, preview is broken; saved is fine
  551. # [22:29] <jaacob> body would be <code><body></code> and all the event names be <code>onblur</code>
  552. # [22:30] <@fr0zenice> kathyw: ok, that's a known bug then
  553. # [22:30] <@fr0zenice> jaacob: seems about right!
  554. # [22:30] <jaacob> thanks much
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  563. # [22:55] <kathyw> another possible bug: links with _s in them appear to be treated as if they have spaces in them, so I get a redirect.
  564. # [22:56] <kathyw> For example: Go to http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/canvas/tutorial/Canvas_tutorial/Using_images. Scroll down to just above Compatibility.
  565. # [22:56] <kathyw> When you hover over Previous, at the bottom of the window you see the link with _s in it, but in the tooltip you see the link with spaces in it.
  566. # [22:57] <kathyw> Clicking the link takes you to the right page, but you get a message that it was redirected (from the with-spaces version to the _ version).
  567. # [22:57] <kathyw> Anyone else seeing this?
  568. # [23:02] <@fr0zenice> kathyw: that has nothing to do with spaces, if you check the page title or breadcrumb at the top, you'll see that you are actually redirected to tutorials/canvas/Canvas_tutorial/Drawing_shapes (from canvas/tutorial/Canvas_tutorial/Drawing_shapes)
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  575. # [23:09] <kathyw> jeez
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  578. # [23:11] <kathyw> not obvious, that one
  579. # [23:11] <kathyw> the url doesn't even change to /tutorial/canvas... it's /canvas/tutorial
  580. # [23:11] <@fr0zenice> yeah, that's how MediaWiki works
  581. # [23:12] <kathyw> so what URL should I be using?
  582. # [23:12] <kathyw> ah, http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/canvas/Canvas_tutorial/Using_images
  583. # [23:12] <kathyw> (or a subset of that)
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  588. # [23:14] <@fr0zenice> y
  589. # [23:14] <@fr0zenice> -y
  590. # [23:14] <kathyw> -y?
  591. # [23:15] <@fr0zenice> that y was by accident :)
  592. # [23:15] <kathyw> :) so another URL?
  593. # [23:15] <@fr0zenice> no it's fine, you can get that url by clicking on the last part of the breadcrumb ("using images"), too, btw
  594. # [23:16] <kathyw> ah, cool
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The end :)